Super Rare Values Concern

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Dear HabboxForum members,

I'd like to bring up and issue that I would like the opinion of all Habboxforum members. I posted a thread about the super rare values which can be found here:

Link: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=6117471#post6117471

This thread said:


Hello, I just wanted to let you know that you guys are awful at the super rare values.. I think that you guys shouldn't make values for super rare values considering many of the items aren't in circulation anymore, or there aren't many left in circulation.. I'd like to point out a few things..

1) Bubblegum & Blackcurrent ICM
.. sorry but these values are wrong.. I want proof of them being traded at this else you haven't got a resonable reason to lower the value... Considering theses items are very rare.. and there aren't many in circulation.. I'd like to see specific evidence that these were sold at this..

Another thing...

2) Strawberry ICM
... Why is this valued so low? Jack AKA Agore AKA Delirium has almost ALL of these.. and he is selling them all at 3T per... So therefore I think the value is wrong...


Is it possible that you could just leave the super rare values alone and focus just on the seasonals/rares.. cause I'm sure I could find plenty of people who would agree with me just to keep the super rare values alone.. and let the owners of the supers name their prices.. I appreciate all the work the rare values department has done.. I just think that they need to not worry about the super rare values, and start focusing on the other values more.. such as rares.. since many of the super rares aren't common or in circulation, it's hard for Habbox to make prices for them.. and you may say, "We only change the price to the values we see them being traded." BUT where is that proof for the following items I listed above? I'd like to see it.. cause if you have no proof, then there should be no reason to change it.. I'd like to know your opinions on this.. Thanks :)

Note to Moderators: This is not bashing the rare values department.. I am just suggesting something.. I will be posted a thread in another section to see what habboxforum members think about this issue.

Thanks,
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So.. basically what I want to know from the HabboxForum community is.. 'Do you think that the rare values department should "lay off" the super rare values and let the owners of the supers make up the values themselves, if yes or no, why?'
Now you may say "Well Habbox values are just a "guide".. and not all users have to folllow Habbox.." Although people may say this, 90% of Habbos use Habbox seriously.. if you don't sell at the price habbox gives, you will find that many users will start calling you names like "noob" or "greedy".. etc..
My point is that since a lot of the supers that can be found on the super rare values page on the main site are very limited or not that many in circulation, don't you think that Habbox should lay off the super rare values, and let the owners of the super rares determine the price that they want to sell for?


I'd like to know what your views are on this topic. This thread is not "bashing" the rare values department at all.. I'm just curious on what your views are of this..


So.. to conclude in a short paragraph if you don't feel like reading all that above:

Do you think that the Habbox rare values department should stay off valuing the super rares, considering that many of the super rares are very limited or low in circulation.. yes or no? and why?

[lick]

I think when and if they are changeing or reporting super values they should have scrennie evidence of the person saying they will pay that amount for them, they should also post this for people to see

[Chippiewill]

I think you will only be called the term 'noob' if you are trading with normal rares.

[Black_Apalachi]

I have no sympathy for reasons I can't say.

HABBOX IS RIGHT. :eusa_danc

btw lick, that's how the values are obtained in the first place.

[lick]

when i was rvr staff i just made up values and put them around the Habbox values.. i didnt go around looking for them :lol: and i know others who did it as well LOL

but yeah, they dont have to show scrennies do they :S

[Black_Apalachi]

oh sorry I was thinking about when members post them. But omg, I always believed the RVR department was very honest :O

[lick]

no very corrupt













jkes btw

[Martin]

Having only just left the Rare values department, I can assure you that they are a good bunch :) Everything is done properly, and all values are as accurate as they can be. Occasionly things take a while to update, but they like to make sure that values are accurate before changing them.

As you said, Habbox is a guide, and you don't have to use the rare values, but a lot of people do, because they believe them to be accurate. Letting users decide their own values of supers, could not be such a good idea, as then people would obviously make high up prices, since they want the best profit possible. You have to look at the amount of that particular super that's left, and the most recent trades, and they change the values going on recent trades.

When a super isn't traded very often, it can be difficult for the value to change, as there would be no "last trade value". But if you get reporters coming back having witnessed supers selling for prices, then when averaged out, surely they can't be that unnacurate.

If the reporters were corrupt, they would have been fired, as Management can tell if someone is "fixing" the values, as it becomes quite obvious. I think the department is in good shape at the moment, and I will continue using the values, as I believe them to be good. :)

[Black_Apalachi]

thanks for reassuring me Bolt :D

[Fubt]

I can show anyone the report i piled together, all with names of traders to get those values changed, Documents just gutted he bought some.

[Immenseman]

When I see a thread like this and I've seen many seeing as I was with the Rare Values department back when it was amazing (joke, calm it). The first thing that springs to my mind is that the individual who created the thread has actually just purchased some of the rares they're moaning about. I imagine that to be true in your case too. You haven't created this because you care about the department or wish to offer constructive feedback but because you want personal gain. That is obviously the wrong way to go about things.

The department is going through a transitional period and there is/going to be a new manager (not sure if it has been announced). Maybe the previous manager wasn't on top of the super rare value market. I wouldn't know as I personally no longer dabble in the super market myself thus I can't be critical or full of praise. I suggest you give the new management team to settle in and put their own individual mark on the department. Only then should you begin to criticise.

I have to put the argument in that Habbox Rare Values are only a guide. I assure you that if they didn't value super rares so many people would be scammed/ripped off and lose their supers because they weren't aware of their value. All it would take is 3 well known casino owners to tell someone gold dragons had crashed to 7t or whatever then sell it on and split the profit. You under estimate what lengths people go to to make profit, being dishonest is hardly the worst of these - it'd happen far too frequently.

If you don't wish to use the values then don't. If like you say that people are trading their supers for different values to the habbox guide prices then that suggests that people are ignoring Habbox anyway - thus it shouldn't be an issue for you.

I felt this post was worthy of making my post count go from 16,000 to 16,001.

[JACKTARD]

with the very rare super rares we can update the value from the last known trade, this was the case with the purple dragon - we make sure that this trade really did happen to stop the values becoming false.

It is difficult to keep on top of these super rares with a team of approx 15 people but i think we do a good job as Mr-Trainer and a few others are good frends with some of the big super rare owners and can therefore help with the values. I totally agree with Immenseman and most of the earlier posts - Habbox is just a guide and shouldnt be seen as the exact value, if it was the exact value then values would never need updating.

[Black_Apalachi]

When I see a thread like this and I've seen many seeing as I was with the Rare Values department back when it was amazing (joke, calm it). The first thing that springs to my mind is that the individual who created the thread has actually just purchased some of the rares they're moaning about. I imagine that to be true in your case too. You haven't created this because you care about the department or wish to offer constructive feedback but because you want personal gain. That is obviously the wrong way to go about things.

The department is going through a transitional period and there is/going to be a new manager (not sure if it has been announced). Maybe the previous manager wasn't on top of the super rare value market. I wouldn't know as I personally no longer dabble in the super market myself thus I can't be critical or full of praise. I suggest you give the new management team to settle in and put their own individual mark on the department. Only then should you begin to criticise.

I have to put the argument in that Habbox Rare Values are only a guide. I assure you that if they didn't value super rares so many people would be scammed/ripped off and lose their supers because they weren't aware of their value. All it would take is 3 well known casino owners to tell someone gold dragons had crashed to 7t or whatever then sell it on and split the profit. You under estimate what lengths people go to to make profit, being dishonest is hardly the worst of these - it'd happen far too frequently.

If you don't wish to use the values then don't. If like you say that people are trading their supers for different values to the habbox guide prices then that suggests that people are ignoring Habbox anyway - thus it shouldn't be an issue for you.

I felt this post was worthy of making my post count go from 16,000 to 16,001.

Very worthy indeed. I'm sure there's an easier way to go about getting personal gain though Document.... can't put my finger on it though.... I've got "Veno" in my head for some reason.... ring any bells??????? :rolleyes:

[-:Undertaker:-]

Do you think that the rare values department should "lay off" the super rare values and let the owners of the supers make up the values themselves, if yes or no, why?

No.

We have always taken the last value traded and this will continue as policy, just as we place rares in the sections were they were last released in. I myself have been busy the past month or so and I have missed quite a lot although i'm getting back into the pace again, even I have noticed that the super rares market has collapsed because of the simple reason that you all bought the supers at unsustainable prices, and now that there is nobody to buy them back they have collapsed.

A good example of this is the trader Katweazel, he bought many supers at high prices and from the impression I gather, he had to sell them later on at appalling prices. Fubt provided a detailed report in the inaccurate thread we have, meaning he wanted people to scrutinise his report and we found nothing to be concerned about, as far as I personally gather his report is spot on.

We do ask for screenshots when we can, and if we doubt a trade then we investigate it further or wait until we hear more on that trade. I'm afraid you bought at the wrong time as from what I hear many supers were given out as prizes and as I have pointed out earlier, the market is going stale. I don't like it and i'm sure you don't, but its out of our control.

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1) I wasn't doing this for personal gain.. but good try on trying to nail this thread on the head..

2) I was just wondering what others felt

3) Yes I have bought some of the supers that are going down.. but I don't really care considering I sell my supers for the prices I want.. and I was just wondering what others thought about this. :)

Thanks Immense, Undertaker, Bolt, Jippet, lick, 00chips, and Fubt who has shared their opinions :) Much appreciated.