Feedback on Moderation

[Mint]

First things first, this is feedback, not a complaint. :)

I just wanted to give my feedback on the Moderation Department. I don't think what I have to say is the fault of all the Staff, just the few individuals.

Basically, I have received numerous infractions for being racist. Perhaps some of them would be classed as racist in today's society even though they are not. Them infractions however are not the ones I am talking about. It's the ones that aren't actually racist? They are so un-racist that I would quite happily say what I said face to face with another foreigner. I'll leave it at that or you will tell me to complain about infractions in another thread...

So what I now have reasons to believe is that there are foreigners of a indian/pakistani nationality working in the Moderation Department and they cannot stand to see anything that's true said about their nationality.

I mean, why else would a Moderator feel the need to remove a post such as this if they are not indian/pakistani?

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=6122942#post6122942

All I said was that post box lady outfits scare the hell out of me and that it really isn't needed. I also said that it should be banned (which numerous people actually agreed with me on) and if they don't like the ban then they know where to go (home).

So the overall message of feedback in this post is that you need to relax a bit when it comes to deciding whether a post is or isn't racist. And as far as the infraction is concerned, I will be appealing that when I get round to it. :P

[lick]

Yeah i agree with the racism one, i got one for saying Danyl from X Factor looks like a monkey.. i didn't call him it because he was black, i called him it because he looked like one. I dont call the other Black people on the show monkeys because they dont look like them :l

Mods find anything to do with indians / pakistanis / blacks racist

[iAdam]

Why do police officers who are white arrest and convict white racist people. Because it's against the law. Here it's against the rules.

I am not of any origin that you described, however I would not like to seem racism towards me on the forum so anyone who is of that origin on the forum would not like to see racism against them. Racism isn't just aimed at people, it's any comment that degrades a race, yours in that post, did.

[kk.]

if he had posted a similar thing in members debates with his explanation, it wouldnt have been removed.

[Sammeth.]

I don't think the banning of burkas is racist as many countries, and also places in England, have actively taken it upon themselves to ban the burka. I think calling them "post box lady outfits", whilst quite descriptive, can be deemed insensitive. And also there is the fact that you did say "if they don't like it they can go home" which of course, in my opinion, crossed the line of banter into racism.

[kk.]

I don't think the banning of burkas is racist as many countries, and also places in England, have actively taken it upon themselves to ban the burka. I think calling them "post box lady outfits", whilst quite descriptive, can be deemed insensitive. And also there is the fact that you did say "if they don't like it they can go home" which of course, in my opinion, crossed the line of banter into racism.

I lol'd at that part XD

I think saying 'if they dont like it they can go home' isnt racist, its a point of view. I know i know, all of what the BNP come out with is opinion too, but they wouldnt say 'if they dont like it', they say 'go home'

[Sammeth.]

I lol'd at that part XD

I think saying 'if they dont like it they can go home' isnt racist, its a point of view. I know i know, all of what the BNP come out with is opinion too, but they wouldnt say 'if they dont like it', they say 'go home'
Thats true, but as I've said in another post somewhere, its making an assumption that all muslims who dont like it weren't born or bred in this country. Most of the Muslims I know were born and bred in this country so theres a difference in saying "go home" which would literally be down the road (which would accomplish nothing) than intending it to mean go back to your "home" country, or what is assumed to be their home country based on the colour of their skin. Or something. And I think thats where the moderator found fault with the post, as thats how I would have taken it if I read it.

[Mint]

I don't think the banning of burkas is racist as many countries, and also places in England, have actively taken it upon themselves to ban the burka. I think calling them "post box lady outfits", whilst quite descriptive, can be deemed insensitive. And also there is the fact that you did say "if they don't like it they can go home" which of course, in my opinion, crossed the line of banter into racism.

I know you didn't say this bit was racist but if they were the same colour as me and had the same religion as me I would still call them post box ladies which is why that wasn't racist. I think just because they are from another country (the race of their skin is irrelevant) it isn't racist to say that they can go such a place if they don't like it.

[Sammeth.]

I know you didn't say this bit was racist but if they were the same colour as me and had the same religion as me I would still call them post box ladies which is why that wasn't racist. I think just because they are from another country (the race of their skin is irrelevant) it isn't racist to say that they can go such a place if they don't like it.
Yeah but thats like saying even if Jin liked laggings he would still call him an idiot so therefore it isnt rude. Or like saying that I can call someone a **** just because if they were the same religion as me I would still call them it.

[iAdam]

I know you didn't say this bit was racist but if they were the same colour as me and had the same religion as me I would still call them post box ladies which is why that wasn't racist. I think just because they are from another country (the race of their skin is irrelevant) it isn't racist to say that they can go such a place if they don't like it.


I'm sure you wouldn't as you'd understand the importance of Burkas in their religion and wouldn't degrade them.

[jackass]

I don't think that post should have been removed, and i've already explained why in that thread. :)

[Black_Apalachi]

If a moderator is offended by a comment, whether it be because of their nationality or otherwise, then by definition it is an offensive comment and thus against the rules.

[Hecktix]

Saying they should go home is racist. Period.

The post box thing is borderline, could cause offence.

[GommeInc]

Racism is attacking a race. Saying "they should go back home" has no qualities of a race so therefore not racist. Racism would literally be diving into attacking the qualities and attributes of a race, belief or religion - neither of which were attacked in that thread. Mint has the belief that Burkas are wrong and insensitive towards women - the attack was with the idea that Islam are sexist towards women, rather than an attack on Islam in general.

And when you think about it, walking round a corner and seeing a woman in a burka would be a bit shocking, it's one of those things that is not programmed into your mind to predict round a corner, walking on two legs - you expect someone or something with the same appearance as you with unique yet recognisable features, which a burka is naturally designed to hide, therefore a shock when a woman wearing one magically appears round a corner.

So it's a natural effect caused by walking round a corner really. If it was an elderly woman you'd have the initial shock of "Oh, didn't see you there" then the calm once you've recoginised the unique qualities of that woman and the "Don't worry deary" comment in return. Acknowledgement calms the shock, and again with a burka, acknowledgement is hidden other than the eyes and voice, which to some can be quite shocking because you expect facial expressions and body language to play a part, like tipping of the head or a smile.


Saying they should go home is racist. Period.

The post box thing is borderline, could cause offence.
Isn't ;) He just made the comment "They should go home", a comment that neither attacks the person or the country. "Go home" is a comment which targets individuals who attack the country they are in which has conflicting ideas, so it's not racist at all, as racism attacks the race, not the individual, because alot of muslims don't agree with the burka. His argument is purely on the individuals, not the race, therefore NOT racism (considering the rac(e) bit in rac-ism is the give away :P) Besides, in some countries which have Islam as their main religion, they don't wear the burka over there, but for some reason some do when they come over here, which has many crude implications on western culture and women, even though western cultures were the first to bring in women's rights.

[FlyingJesus]

Racism would literally be diving into attacking the qualities and attributes of a race, belief or religion


the attack was with the idea that Islam are sexist towards women

Oh.


"Go home" is a comment which targets individuals who attack the country they are in which has conflicting ideas, so it's not racist at all

Clearly but as has been pointed out previously, for a majority "home" is here so it's a baseless and thoughtless comment. You don't have to come from another country to have different beliefs

[katweazel]

there is no mention of the burka in the koran..so therefor it is not a relegious belief that "makes" women wear them .It is the fact that the male rerquests that no part of the female should be on view except the eyes..therefore demeaning the female into being subservant ...and befor you ask i'm english .white and male

[GommeInc]

Oh.



Clearly but as has been pointed out previously, for a majority "home" is here so it's a baseless and thoughtless comment. You don't have to come from another country to have different beliefs
Exactly, it was an ignorant and thoughtless comment, but not racist in any way, as he wasn't judging all muslims or people of a particular race, he was merely (as I could see at least) judging Islamic sexism or sexism in these particular countries - a reasonable judgement which has sparked many debates in the past, some quite serious too :P

[Jin]

Racism is attacking a race. Saying "they should go back home" has no qualities of a race so therefore not racist.

You are totally clueless.

Anyway, pointless thread,

Moderators actions were perfectly justified so,

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