Harry Brown

[Sex1]

Anyone know if it's supposed be any good? Trailer looks good.

[Black_Apalachi]

I reckon it looks alright, I probably wouldn't be interested though if Michael Caine wasn't in it :P.

[Misawa]

I think it looks rediculous, and I can't stand Caine. He's far too old to make the part believable.

[adaym]

I think it looks rediculous, and I can't stand Caine. He's far too old to make the part believable.
It's about an old man living on an estate overrun by chavs, what's not to believe?

Yes, I know the story well due to Noel and me being a fan of Ben, I might go watch it.

[Misawa]

What's not believable is how he becomes John Rambo.

[adaym]

It is a film.

[Nixt]

I think it looks rediculous, and I can't stand Caine. He's far too old to make the part believable.

Michael Caine is a brilliant actor imo.

[Misawa]

Michael Caine is a brilliant actor imo.

He's the least versatile actor I've ever seen.

[Nixt]

Yeah... I mean a man who has appeared in more than 100 films in his career is so totally lacks versatility it's unbelievable :$.

[Misawa]

He's exactly the same in every film he's ever been in. Ever seen him when he tries to play an American? Yeah...

[Nixt]

I can hardly imagine any actor would do as well as Caine has done if he was 'exactly the same in every film he's ever been in'... Not like he hasn't won countless awards and been nominated for even more. Not like he wasn't appointed CBE for contribution to cinema.

Yerrr he must be ****.

[Misawa]

I can hardly imagine any actor would do as well as Caine has done if he was 'exactly the same in every film he's ever been in'... Not like he hasn't won countless awards and been nominated for even more. Not like he wasn't appointed CBE for contribution to cinema.

Yerrr he must be ****.

How many Caine films have you seen? Yes, he's won many awards, good luck to him, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he can't play anything but the same person in each film.

[Nixt]

I dunno, I don't count. Quite a few and I personally disagree with you. Pointless arguing with Mr. Film Expert 2k9 though.

[Misawa]

Find me a film where he isn't a cockney geezer and then I'll agree with you.

[Black_Apalachi]

Find me a film where he isn't a cockney geezer and then I'll agree with you.

I see your point, but I still love seeing him in movies :D.

[adaym]

Find me a film where he isn't a cockney geezer and then I'll agree with you.
He was born in that part of London so it's hardly surprising, is it? The fact is he's not the same character in every film, he might have the same accent/colloquialisms but that's his nature.

[Fez]

Find me a film where he isn't a cockney geezer and then I'll agree with you.
MISAWA, RESPECT YOUR ELDERS!

[Misawa]

He was born in that part of London so it's hardly surprising, is it? The fact is he's not the same character in every film, he might have the same accent/colloquialisms but that's his nature.

That doesn't change a thing. If he was a versatile actor, he'd be able to drop the accent. Ever seen him play an American? He sounds like he does in every film he's ever done. Look at Ben Kinsgley, as English as a sixpence, yet he can pull off any accent down to a tee.

[adaym]

That doesn't change a thing. If he was a versatile actor, he'd be able to drop the accent. Ever seen him play an American? He sounds like he does in every film he's ever done. Look at Ben Kinsgley, as English as a sixpence, yet he can pull off any accent down to a tee.
Acting is different to voice acting.

[Misawa]

Acting is different to voice acting.

Hopeless.

[Black_Apalachi]

Caine is one of those actors I wouldn't want to see without their accent though :P. Colin Farrel is another, I hate it when he has an American accent. I love him in Daredevil :D.

[Misawa]

Caine is one of those actors I wouldn't want to see without their accent though :P. Colin Farrel is another, I hate it when he has an American accent. I love him in Daredevil :D.

Exactly my point - Farrel can pull off other roles. Caine can't.

[Nixt]

I saw this tonight (Orange Wednesdays - woo!) and whether or not you like Michael Caine, it was an absolutely IMMENSE film. Caine pulled off some brilliant acting and the film itself was poignant and worryingly realistic. I lovedddd it.

[Misawa]

I'm seeing it in an hour.

[Nixt]

I'm seeing it in an hour.

Let me know if you enjoy it. It's brilliant!

[Misawa]

I just returned from it. I'm afraid I cannot agree with you. I thought it was an utterly dumb Death Wish rip off. The script was awful. Even I, someone who is far from a fan of Michael Caine, will attest that he is better than this film. The violent kids thing was already tackled with Eden Lake and even prior so with Would You Kill A Child?. Really didn't like it at all.

[Nixt]

I agree with you the script itself isn't that good, but Caine and indeed a number of the other actors manage to do brilliantly with what they have got. The issues may have been tackled elsewhere, but if you look at this film from the point of view of someone that isn't exactly a film fanatic I think you'll find the general consensus is that it is really good. Upon leaving the screen everyone I heard talking about it was saying how brilliant it was.

I see your point about it being similar to 'Death Wish' but I for one do not think this is a valid enough reason for mainstream viewers to criticise it. Indeed, for the most part I think a lot of the audience will not have watched it. Yes the script is, quite frankly pitiful and predictable, but I think Caine makes it... It's a very tense film and one that certainly got the chins wagging at the cinema I was at. I loved it.

[Misawa]

Well I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Death Wish was a very mainstream film. I'd emplore any audience to see that if they haven't already.

[Nixt]

I'd also recommend it. I think I just mean to anyone who isn't a film fanatic, someone who merely watches films for pure enjoyment and doesn't analyse the ins and outs of the script and acting, how it relates to previous films etc etc - it's a good film.

[Black_Apalachi]

Caine was talking on Jonathan Ross' film show and he was saying exactly what you said Adam, his words were something like, 'I'm just used to goin in, gettin the girl, losin the girl and gettin out' or something :P and how this was a different kind of role for him with a much more complex character.

He does seem to do it well from what I've seen, but haven't seen the film yet.

[Misawa]

Well, I don't think it requires much intelligence or high browness to know when dialogue is bad.

Gran Torino is a more recent example of a similar film.

[kk.]

Find me a film where he isn't a cockney geezer and then I'll agree with you.

miss congeniality.

It looks interesting but il only watch it if we get it on DVD

[untrustus]

i don't trust a film with plan b in it and chase and status on the soundtrack.

[ItsDave]

How many Caine films have you seen? Yes, he's won many awards, good luck to him, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he can't play anything but the same person in each film.

Maybe people like that same person in a different film. Maybe thats what makes him unique? Just a thought.

[Misawa]

If you've ever seen him play a yank...

[Sulai]

I saw the film last night.. orange wednesday ;)

and its a fantastic film the techniques used and the camera angles are fantastic.

a truelly mind tingling performance from a fantastic actor.

Credit to other actors:

the drug dealer that kenny works with, Sid the owner of the pub and others.



What's not believable is how he becomes John Rambo.
at what point in the film does he look or act anything, remotely like John Rambo?



He's exactly the same in every film he's ever been in. Ever seen him when he tries to play an American? Yeah...

so his 'Rambo' character is the same as his Miss Congeniality one?

[Misawa]

You obviously have no idea what I'm talking about.

The moral of the story is, go see Michael Winner's Death Wish, a film with superiority in spades.

[Sulai]

Once again i'd highly recommend this film to anyone.

The only uncomfortable actor/actress, in my opinion is Emily Mortimer who plays Frampton. Although a talented actress this role was not one that suited her best.


You obviously have no idea what I'm talking about.

The moral of the story is, go see Michael Winner's Death Wish, a film with superiority in spades.

Yes thats right I obviously have absolutely no idea what i'm talking about... strange how you couldn't relate your post to my relation of your posts... strange.

[Misawa]

Re-read my post.

[kk.]

What Adams getting at is that he speaks the same (at least I think what he's getting at) which makes it seem like he plays the sam part in every film.

However, why you think, Adam, that people care about the performances of actors, whether the fiom was shot well, what camera angles they used or other useless film stuff is important I don't know. Film is in the entertainment industry, and thus, are made to entertain. You should judge a film on how wellit entertained you, whether the right emotions were hit, whether you'd be happy to see it again in the future and so on. Yes actors may play a role in well in a film which may be why you liked the film, but there coul be bad actors, but great cgi or other aspects that are good.

This is why critics are bad, they pick out bad things and rarely pick the good things, or are biased in some way (IB and you for instance). Now please, there's like 2 people who care about your opinion on whether the film was shot good, what film
is better or who's a bad actor

[Misawa]

And you just described what goes in to MAKING a film. Shots are deliberate. Directors don't just shoot from random angles. I can't help viewing films in that way, but they're intended. If you miss the cinematography, etc, then you miss it, but you are actually supposed to notice these things, otherwise the director wouldn't care. Everything on screen you are supposed to see, performances are supposed to be stellar. You can only forgive performances in independent films, in which case you should be commending the fact that there you are watching a film made for little money and with minimal crew. You are supposed to pick up on what shots mean. I'm not feeding everyone a load of trash.

As far as Harry Brown, I'm afraid I can't forgive a Death Wish rip-off, especially with the remake coming and James Wan's Death Sentence from 2006, adapted from the same novel as Death Wish.

I'm not biased about Inglourious *******s. I loved it because I do. Working on it was one thing, but my role was fairly minimal. I worked on Hot Fuzz, albeit it for three days and had a blast, but do I like the film? I think it's okay.

I am more than the usual critic. I dislike the majority of critics, like Kermode for example, but aside from being an actual film journalist I also work in film, which, to my credit, is what no critic I can name does. They're usually film school rejects. I only did a year studying film, but I'm producing feauture films and TV series' at 19.

[Browney]

If you've ever seen him play a yank...

Why should he? He makes a healthy living and has a built a good career from being a cockney geezer. And personally, I say good on him.