Weekend Games

[Jack.Lfc]

Who do u play
wot do u think the score will be

fulham away 0-2

[CHA!NGANG]

Spurs, home.

Hm... Can see it being 3-1 to us.

Lol if Liverpool and Arsenal win, and City and Villa loose then it's back to the big 4 as usual: Chelsea, Arsenal, United, Liverpool.

Doubt City will loose to Birmingham but the rest are possible as Villa play Everton :P

[Geraint]

Forest home on Sunday 5pm. Thanks BBC and F1.

[Browney]

West Ham. Very winnable match. But I said that about Brum.

[StefanWolves]

Stoke away... probably get nothing, but I'm confident. (As always! :D)

[Jibbish]

everton away
hopefully will be exciting as last year :D

[brandon]

Stockport County away

[leah]

Yeovil at home

[Jordie]

Rushden and Diamonds at home with new manager Richard Money watching on:) 2-1 Hatters:D

[Andys]

West ham at home
2-1 i reckon.

[Black_Apalachi]

Fulham, 0-3 ;)

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Stoke away. Silly ***** been talking **** all week, trying to cause a stir :lol:. Pritty pathetic. It's a tough game, and being optimistic I'll say we'll grab a 1-0 win. Realistically, I can see us losing 2-0.

UTW.

[StefanWolves]

No live streams are available. <.<

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No live streams are available. <.<
Still 4 hours til kick off..?

[StefanWolves]

myp2p normally have like 5 that they know of by now, atm they have 0.

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myp2p normally have like 5 that they know of by now, atm they have 0.
There will be atleast one, no matter if it's chinese or japanese.

[Black_Apalachi]

omg what matches are sky/ESPN showing?

[StefanWolves]

Arsenal V Spurs
Man Utd V Blackburn

[CHA!NGANG]

Fabregassss! 2-0

[StefanWolves]

****** typical. got myself a vga cable to hook up to my tv and there are no streams showing the wolves game. back to the radio i go.

[CHA!NGANG]

3-0. Honestly should have been 7-0. Eduardo 1 on 1 twice and missed. Then he missed a clear header. Ramsey at the end should have scored or timed the pass right. Glad with the result but should have been more :P Spurs didn't show up for the 2nd half and Fabregas' run for the 2nd goal :eusa_danc

EDIT: LOL at Liverpool. Serves them right for fielding a rubbish side against a good Fulham side. Rafa deserves to loose this one after underestimating Fulham..

[StefanWolves]

loosing 2-0.

i give up, playing terrible.

[Immenseman]

pompey and west ham winning, i told you there was still life in portsmouth when you were all saying they were going down. they look really good every now and again. sunderland 2-1 down and 10 men. bolton 1-0 down and 10 men.

[StefanWolves]

YESSSSSSSSSS 2-2

[Black_Apalachi]

wow, 2 red cards and torres and benayoun off (were they injured? :()

[Jibbish]

a red card in almost every game :L

[Tash.]

3-0. Honestly should have been 7-0. Eduardo 1 on 1 twice and missed. Then he missed a clear header. Ramsey at the end should have scored or timed the pass right. Glad with the result but should have been more :P Spurs didn't show up for the 2nd half and Fabregas' run for the 2nd goal :eusa_danc

EDIT: LOL at Liverpool. Serves them right for fielding a rubbish side against a good Fulham side. Rafa deserves to loose this one after underestimating Fulham..

What the hell? Clearly you know nothing. How stupid do you think Rafa is? He didnt choose to field a depleted side out of arrogance; Aurelio, Aquilani, Agger, Skrtel and Ngog all have a virus. Gerrard and Johnson are both injured. If you haven't noticed that is 7/7 who would have either played or been on the bench. Benitez had absolutely no option but to play that side.

Who knows what/if anything is wrong with Torres after he took him off but still, horrible horrible day for Liverpool fans. Thank god he preserved him, I don't think even keeping Torres on could've helped this god awful game.

[CHA!NGANG]

What the hell? Clearly you know nothing. How stupid do you think Rafa is? He didnt choose to field a depleted side out of arrogance; Aurelio, Aquilani, Agger, Skrtel and Ngog all have a virus. Gerrard and Johnson are both injured. If you haven't noticed that is 7/7 who would have either played or been on the bench. Benitez had absolutely no option but to play that side.

Who knows what/if anything is wrong with Torres after he too him off but still, horrible horrible day for Liverpool fans. Thank god he preserved him, I don't think even keeping Torres on could've helped this god awful game.

Well your a Liverpool fan so you would take offence to it. Fair enough with some of the decisions he made but other ones were poor. Why not play Dossena as RB, I'm sure he is versitle enough to play there and he is better than Degan. Also, Babel does have more of an effect that Vorinin so that was a poor choice also. Would have allowed Kuyt to play upfront where he is most dangerous. He made some poor choices. Fair enough with the Virus, didn't know that and it explains a lot but still he could have fielded a better and more well balanced team.

Oh and nice edit afterwards. I know nothing? Trust me, I know a lot more about football than most people so don't make a stupid comment like that unless you know what your talking about. I admitted I didn't know about the Virus but still some poor choices were made.

If Liverpool have these players out for Tuesday/Wednesday then I'd put money on them being out of the CL.

Oh and yeah whats with the red cards everywhere :P Bentley should have been sent off for Spurs but instead got nothing :P

[Browney]

2-2...

Well, it's a point, every one is valuable, whether it's against United or West Ham, especially when we were a man down.

[Tash.]

Well your a Liverpool fan so you would take offence to it :P Fair enough with some of the decisions he made but other ones were poor. Why not play Dossena as RB, I'm sure he is versitle enough to play there and he is better than Degan. Also, Babel does have more of an effect that Vorinin so that was a poor choice also. Would have allowed Kuyt to play upfront where he is most dangerous. He made some poor choices. Fair enough with the Virus, didn't know that and it explains a lot but still he could have fielded a better and more well balanced team.

Look, Dossena is dodgy at best and his position is LB (and I don't even trust him there). Degen played in the Carling Cup midweek and he showed he has an offensive side to him, making him a more able replacement for Johnson. I believe this is why he was picked and I agree it was the right choice given who he had to pick from. I actually agree on the Voronin point, I think he should be shipped off to whoever will take him, he's lazy and clumsy with the ball and he has very little effect. However, Babel is no better. He is best used as an impact sub which is how Benitez uses him usually, although I do think at least he should have played him today infront of Voronin. As for Kuyt if Babel had played then I think he would've been more upfront and I think some decisions Rafa made today were extremely puzzling. I just don't agree he had much of a choice with the team, apart from the Voronin thing.

[StefanWolves]

Did Bent score?

[CHA!NGANG]

Look, Dossena is dodgy at best and his position is LB (and I don't even trust him there). Degen played in the Carling Cup midweek and he showed he has an offensive side to him, making him a more able replacement for Johnson. I believe this is why he was picked and I agree it was the right choice given who he had to pick from. I actually agree on the Voronin point, I think he should be shipped off to whoever will take him, he's lazy and clumsy with the ball and he has very little effect. However, Babel is no better. He is best used as an impact sub which is how Benitez uses him usually, although I do think at least he should have played him today infront of Voronin. As for Kuyt if Babel had played then I think he would've been more upfront and I think some decisions Rafa made today were extremely puzzling. I just don't agree he had much of a choice with the team, apart from the Voronin thing.

He may be dodgy but he has more experience then Degan which showed through his Red Card. Haven't see it yet so might not be due to that, might be something else but that was a big decision as if he wasn't sent off then maybe you could have got back into it and yes I've read it might have been a yellow in some games but yeah. I agree he did show some good qualities in the CC but he still has 0 experience in the PL I think. Also, Babel isn't the best either but he still has better qualities than Voronin. He is a lot faster, the fastest player at Liverpool inface, and can finish well when he's playing well. Voronin does nothing. Plus that way as I said, You could play Kuyt upfront which is alot more dangerous. With the squad he had which yes was limitted, he still made some poor decisions.

[Geraint]

Liverpool better hope they win the Europa League this year. :eusa_danc

[Tash.]

He may be dodgy but he has more experience then Degan which showed through his Red Card. Haven't see it yet so might not be due to that, might be something else but that was a big decision as if he wasn't sent off then maybe you could have got back into it and yes I've read it might have been a yellow in some games but yeah. I agree he did show some good qualities in the CC but he still has 0 experience in the PL I think. Also, Babel isn't the best either but he still has better qualities than Voronin. He is a lot faster, the fastest player at Liverpool inface, and can finish well when he's playing well. Voronin does nothing. Plus that way as I said, You could play Kuyt upfront which is alot more dangerous. With the squad he had which yes was limitted, he still made some poor decisions.

I honestly don't think even the small amount of experience Dossena possesses over Degen would've helped. His red card has absolutely nothing to do with his lack of experience, as you've said in many games it would've been a yellow and a free kick, but clearly in this game luck was severely against us. Babel is alot better and yes alot quicker than Voronin and I agree he definitely should've played ahead of Voronin but in the end it's Rafa's choice and he obviously doesnt rate Babel for anything more than running at tired defences. Alot of people disagree with Benitez and his choices but sometimes they pay off.

And I said you clearly had no clue earlier because you made a sweeping judgement on something you knew nothing about, showing your ignorance of the situation.

[Immenseman]

heya i'm benitez and i'm going to take my best player off when i'm chasing the match. it's hilarious. scouse fans say he's not great after all their losses. they beat united then he's a saviour. they lose again and i've seen fans calling for his head, lmao. poor selection.

[adaym]

juande ramos liverpool manager 2k9

[CHA!NGANG]

It's a shame though. He is a good manager and has done great things but this season it's just not working for him. He needs to sort his priorities out. He subbed off Torres to preserve him for the Lyon game which would be fine if he had someone that was actually decent to replace him but he doesn't. If they do make it through in the CL i'd be very very surprised.

EDIT: If he does get sacked then i'm 99% sure that he will get the Madrid job.

[Smits]

Although i'm glad we beat hull 2-0, i'd like to see some of the decisions that went our way again. Bring on match of the day.

[Immenseman]

1-0 united berbatov

[Mexel]

man city at home tomorrow ricky hatton half time entertainment. Can see us winning but i always have a good feeling with us :l lol.

[StefanWolves]

man city at home tomorrow ricky hatton half time entertainment. Can see us winning but i always have a good feeling with us :l lol.

ur gna get raped

[Mexel]

accidently double posted due to crap mobile skin.

[Mexel]

ur gna get raped
HIGHLY Doubt we will get raped lol. (and i mean scoreline not genuine rape)

[Black_Apalachi]

I don't want Benitez to be sacked. Not at all. I just wish he was more prepared to change some things that continuously fail to work for us. For example, he seems to want to give Veronin every chance he can to prove himself. Yet Veronin never does because he is ****, end of. So why he doesn't just give up trying to play him and leave Torres and Benayoun on, I don't know.

We'd be better off selling Veronin, Babel and Lucas and buying someone to play with Torres.

I wish Alonso and Hyppia didn't leave and I wish we'd kept Riise.

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man city at home tomorrow ricky hatton half time entertainment. Can see us winning but i always have a good feeling with us :l lol.
Doing what? Knocking out Alex McLeish and Mark Hughes in 1 punch? Because that's something I'd pay to see.

Anyway, in need of City to stuff you tomorrow. If they beat you by 3 goals of more, we'll be up to 15th.

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Although i'm glad we beat hull 2-0, i'd like to see some of the decisions that went our way again. Bring on match of the day.
Nice to see a Burnley fan on the forum.

[Mexel]

Doing what? Knocking out Alex McLeish and Mark Hughes in 1 punch? Because that's something I'd pay to see.

Anyway, in need of City to stuff you tomorrow. If they beat you by 3 goals of more, we'll be up to 15th.
God knows!!

[Geraint]

benitez 2 madrid

[adaym]

sensational houllier return

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Forgot to mention our result, we drew 2-2 with Stoke at the Britannia. An impressive result, especially considering we were 2-0 down at half time. We've got 3 points from our last 3 games against Everton, Villa and Stoke when many people expected us to get nothing. We haven't lost to any of those teams, and we would of beaten Everton & Villa if it weren't for refereeing decisions not going our way.

Anyway, 3 game unbeaten streak now - exactly what we needed going into a double header against Arsenal and Chelsea. My confidence has been boosted slightly by these results, but I can't say I expect anything from our next 2 games. After that is Birmingham which is an absolutely MASSIVE game for both teams - and one we really need to get 3 points from.

Onwards and upwards, UTW.

[Tash.]

I don't want Benitez to be sacked. Not at all. I just wish he was more prepared to change some things that continuously fail to work for us. For example, he seems to want to give Veronin every chance he can to prove himself. Yet Veronin never does because he is ****, end of. So why he doesn't just give up trying to play him and leave Torres and Benayoun on, I don't know.

We'd be better off selling Veronin, Babel and Lucas and buying someone to play with Torres.

I wish Alonso and Hyppia didn't leave and I wish we'd kept Riise.

Exactly. I completely agree. Voronin just needs to be shipped off ASAP and Babel too if he can help us gain some funds for some much needed backup. I actually think Lucas has earned his right to stay, I think he's improving with each game now. Totally wish we'd kept the 3 you named though, all were capable of changing our games.

Oh well, come on for the Lyon game!

[Black_Apalachi]

Yeah, Lucas is gradually improving, but very slowly.

Anyway, just watched MOTD and there was most definitely horrendous games had by a couple of referees. Carragher was only set off because the ref overlooked his earlier challenge. Zamora said himself that there was nothing wrong with the second one. Besides, we should have had a penalty at the other end. Degen's red card was a joke; the only part of him that made contact with the other player was his arse. On the bright side, Torres' goal was lovely, just shows what he can do even off a piss poor ball from Veronin :rolleyes:. Even if Rafa is resting him as much as possible, I don't like the idea of depending on pain killers and injections to play, it can't be good for him in the future?

[Browney]

EDIT: If he does get sacked then i'm 99% sure that he will get the Madrid job.

Which Madrid job? I'm guessing at Atletico?

Carragher is the best defender in England.

[CHA!NGANG]

No, Real Madrid. The manager there is on his way out and Benitez is one of four managers on the replacement list.

The Ref at Hull was shocking. Even the ref at our game wasn't good. Bentley should have been off within ten mins for two bad offences butgot nothing yet Vermaelen got the ball fully and got booked.

[Browney]

No, Real Madrid. The manager there is on his way out and Benitez is one of four managers on the replacement list.

That job's a poisoned chalice. Pellegrini hasn't even been that bad, Madrid are 1 point behind Barca.

[StefanWolves]

Madrid are a pathetic club IMO. They go against everything that successful clubs agree with, e.g. Arsenal and MU. They sack managers for loosing 3 games in a row - yet they're nearly top of La Liga. Surely they should realize they aren't winning anything just lately because they can't keep a manager for more then six months.

******* pathetic.

[leah]

won 4-0 against yeovil or something

[CHA!NGANG]

That job's a poisoned chalice. Pellegrini hasn't even been that bad, Madrid are 1 point behind Barca.

To be honest, Madrid have the support and players to do well but no manager has been good enough. Probably the only reason Madrid are doing well are because of the players. The manager is resting Kaka and Benzema a lot, playing other players out of position and that aren't as good and uses a rediculious formation. They need a better manager if they are going to do well this season.

[Browney]

To be honest, Madrid have the support and players to do well but no manager has been good enough. Probably the only reason Madrid are doing well are because of the players. The manager is resting Kaka and Benzema a lot, playing other players out of position and that aren't as good and uses a rediculious formation. They need a better manager if they are going to do well this season.

A better manager? They seem to be doing pretty sweet. And especially with "El Clasico" coming up, they have all the chances of going top.

[CHA!NGANG]

A better manager? They seem to be doing pretty sweet. And especially with "El Clasico" coming up, they have all the chances of going top.

Unless you watch there games and read about them then you won't know what I'm talking about. I said in my post above why he is a bad manager. They are almost out of the Spanish Cup and in the League they are conceeding left right and centre. The only big game they've had so far they lost. The can beat big teams but only because of Kaka, Ronaldo, Higuain, Benzema and there natural attacking ability. They conceed like crazy and they also have a messed up formation which is down to the manager. So they aren't really doing sweet if you look at them at depth and they have big underlying problems :P

Oh and with 'El Clasico', chances are they will get destroyed if Messi is in form. Madrid have no LB and Marcelo and Drenthe are there only Left sided players, both of which mess up a lot. Messi is a RW. Therefore they have no-one to cover for him naturally and he will run riot. As I said above, they lost there only big game this season, actually both of them with Milan and Sevilla. Barca won't be any different. They have a great attack which is down to the players brought in (not even the manager brought him in), but there defence is like I say terrible and Henry, Ibra, Messi, Pedro, Bojan are all capable of putting a few past them. Barca's defence is also a lot better than most they've met so they might be able to put 1 or 2 past them at most, but they would conceed 3-4 so will loose in my opinion.

[Browney]

Unless you watch there games and read about them then you won't know what I'm talking about. I said in my post above why he is a bad manager. They are almost out of the Spanish Cup and in the League they are conceeding left right and centre. The only big game they've had so far they lost. The can beat big teams but only because of Kaka, Ronaldo, Higuain, Benzema and there natural attacking ability. They conceed like crazy and they also have a messed up formation which is down to the manager. So they aren't really doing sweet if you look at them at depth and they have big underlying problems :P

Oh and with 'El Clasico', chances are they will get destroyed if Messi is in form. Madrid have no LB and Marcelo and Drenthe are there only Left sided players, both of which mess up a lot. Messi is a RW. Therefore they have no-one to cover for him naturally and he will run riot. As I said above, they lost there only big game this season, actually both of them with Milan and Sevilla. Barca won't be any different. They have a great attack which is down to the players brought in (not even the manager brought him in), but there defence is like I say terrible and Henry, Ibra, Messi, Pedro, Bojan are all capable of putting a few past them. Barca's defence is also a lot better than most they've met so they might be able to put 1 or 2 past them at most, but they would conceed 3-4 so will loose in my opinion.

United won the title 3 times in a row relying on 2 men. That's not sweet? Results are what football is about. Besides, we'll see. I'll have to respect your opinion, but disagree with it as well. I'm backing Madrid for the La Liga.

[CHA!NGANG]

United won the title 3 times in a row relying on 2 men. That's not sweet? Results are what football is about. Besides, we'll see. I'll have to respect your opinion, but disagree with it as well. I'm backing Madrid for the La Liga.

Nono I'm not saying they're a 2 man team at all. They have a very talented squad. I'm saying that they have a crap manager :P As for the Results, well as I just said above they've been getting poor results of late. Coincidently ever since Ronaldo did get injured they've lost three times and drawn once and won twice I think. 7 points from 18 is hardly a team that are doing sweet :P

Anyway, it's a fact that they aren't doing as well as they should be doing, hence why the manager is on the brink of being sacked so I don't think anyone can disagree. I'm backing Madrid to challange for the title and to be a big force and at least 2nd but still backing Barca to win. Unless Madrid get a new manager and sign some left sided players then maybe they have a shot. If they do sign Ribery and a new LB, maybe Filipe or Lahm, they they'd have the balance, and a better team than Barca probably and hopefully a better manager so yeah.

[Browney]

Nono I'm not saying they're a 2 man team at all. They have a very talented squad. I'm saying that they have a crap manager :P As for the Results, well as I just said above they've been getting poor results of late. Coincidently ever since Ronaldo did get injured they've lost three times and drawn once and won twice I think. 7 points from 18 is hardly a team that are doing sweet :P

The United thing was an example of how the method may not reflect the result. By using a strange formation and strange substitutions, Pellegrini has guided his side to 2nd in arguably the best league in the world. Big Sam's teams always play in a particular way that gets them results, but not always makes the most football sense.

Just reading back, this Pellegrini sounds alot like Benitez in the strange squad selection...

[CHA!NGANG]

The United thing was an example of how the method may not reflect the result. By using a strange formation and strange substitutions, Pellegrini has guided his side to 2nd in arguably the best league in the world. Big Sam's teams always play in a particular way that gets them results, but not always makes the most football sense.

Just reading back, this Pellegrini sounds alot like Benitez in the strange squad selection...

You say best League in the world but recently it's always been a two horse race between the title. Madrid and Barca. Valencia and Athletico are a bit flimsy at times and Sevilla are actually doing well and might challange though. It's only a good League because of Madrid and Barca. Take them out and your left with Valencia, Sevilla and AM. In the PL, even if you take out Chelsea and United you still have Arsenal, Liverpool, City and Sevilla, Valencia and AM aren't near those standards.

You have to look past them being 2nd and look into the underlying problems and that the only real reason that they are 2nd is because of the players and there attacking ability, not the manager and his tactics. They might be second but as I said, 7 points out of 18 in there last 6 games is hardly good.

[Geraint]

Cardiff 1-1 Forest

Gerrard, Hudson and Kennedy will be playing for the top four next year. :eusa_danc

[Black_Apalachi]

I only want Benitez or Murinho at Liverpool. Wasn't Murinho talking about getting back into the prem?

[adaym]

I only want Benitez or Murinho at Liverpool. Wasn't Murinho talking about getting back into the prem?
You can't afford him.

[Black_Apalachi]

true lol

[Jack.Lfc]

Do you think anyone would come to liverpool whilst we are in this financial state?

[Mexel]

Never being so pissed off with a point in my whole life. Our problem is once again scoring goals.

[Jibbish]

Never being so pissed off with a point in my whole life. Our problem is once again scoring goals.
MOre a point gained for you and points dropped for them really?

[Mexel]

MOre a point gained for you and points dropped for them really?

No not at all. If you miss a penalty hit the post have 2 or 3 1 on 1s with the keeper, you should win the game. I cant fault us though i thought we played great again just need some power upfront. Shay Given is amazing.

[lBlue]

No not at all. If you miss a penalty hit the post have 2 or 3 1 on 1s with the keeper, you should win the game. I cant fault us though i thought we played great again just need some power upfront. Shay Given is amazing.
Should of beaten us. We were crap. Good teams can play crap though and still pick up the points.

[Mexel]

Should of beaten us. We were crap. Good teams can play crap though and still pick up the points.

Yeah i was quite shocked, that the first time you have played like that this season? You wernt exactly awful, just wernt the Man City i have seen so far this season. But Shay Given is somthing special lol!!

[Immenseman]

we all know shay given has been their most important buy up to date.

[CHA!NGANG]

And probably cheapest. £8 Mill I think. Money will spent to be honest as he keeps you in most games such as the one on the weekend. The one downside I think we have on the top English teams is our Keeper. Cech, VDS, Riena, Given are all top keepers. Almunia is well... not. If we can buy a decent keeper it will help us a lot. There are some very good young keepers out there like: Akinfeev, Lloris, Adler, Neuer, Asenjo. If we can buy one of them I'll be happy. I'd be willing to bet that United go for one of them either this season or the next :P

Anyway, only a few players really turned up for City the other day like Given, Bridge, Zabaletta (sp.), SWP and maybe De Jong/Kompany but Lescott, Tevez, RSC, Bellamy and Barry didn't preform really.

[Immenseman]

Lescott is probably their worst buy in the last year or so lol. Every time I've seen him he has been awful, not like he was only a few million either.

[Geraint]

And probably cheapest. £8 Mill I think. Money will spent to be honest as he keeps you in most games such as the one on the weekend. The one downside I think we have on the top English teams is our Keeper. Cech, VDS, Riena, Given are all top keepers. Almunia is well... not. If we can buy a decent keeper it will help us a lot. There are some very good young keepers out there like: Akinfeev, Lloris, Adler, Neuer, Asenjo. If we can buy one of them I'll be happy. I'd be willing to bet that United go for one of them either this season or the next :P

Anyway, only a few players really turned up for City the other day like Given, Bridge, Zabaletta (sp.), SWP and maybe De Jong/Kompany but Lescott, Tevez, RSC, Bellamy and Barry didn't preform really.

You don't buy young in the goalkeeper department. Asenjo was awful against Chelsea. Good in the future, yes but not someone you'd want in your team.

[CHA!NGANG]

You don't buy young in the goalkeeper department. Asenjo was awful against Chelsea. Good in the future, yes but not someone you'd want in your team.

You say that but with the right coaching then he'd be better. What's better, wait for Athletico to train him up to a reasonable quality, then buy him and have him have to adjust to the PL. Or buy him now, train him up yourself, better than Athletico would do because lets face it, Arsenal and United have better trainers than Athletico and it's better for him to come young and adjust early. I'm not saying start him yet as VDS might have a couple years left in him.

Also makes sense financially. Buy them young, buy them cheaper :P

I agree with GK's its better to have experience but then again look at Cech. He was at his peek when he was 23/24. Yes I know his injury hindered him big time and he's still a decent keeper but he was very good at 23 years old and Akinfeev, Lloris, Adler and Neuer are around that age. Asenjo is a bit too young at the moment, but if a PL big side buys him now then trains him and plays him in a couple years it might be better.

[Geraint]

You say that but with the right coaching then he'd be better. What's better, wait for Athletico to train him up to a reasonable quality, then buy him and have him have to adjust to the PL. Or buy him now, train him up yourself, better than Athletico would do because lets face it, Arsenal and United have better trainers than Athletico and it's better for him to come young and adjust early. I'm not saying start him yet as VDS might have a couple years left in him.

Also makes sense financially. Buy them young, buy them cheaper :P

I agree with GK's its better to have experience but then again look at Cech. He was at his peek when he was 23/24. Yes I know his injury hindered him big time and he's still a decent keeper but he was very good at 23 years old and Akinfeev, Lloris, Adler and Neuer are around that age. Asenjo is a bit too young at the moment, but if a PL big side buys him now then trains him and plays him in a couple years it might be better.

The five you've named aren't at bad clubs themselves. Going to take quite a bit of money to prize away a young goalie with loads of potential. Cech's been good for a while, yes. He was player of the tournament in the UEFA U-21 Championship. Arsenal need a good goalie now not a goalie who'll become good in a few years.

[CHA!NGANG]

The five you've named aren't at bad clubs themselves. Going to take quite a bit of money to prize away a young goalie with loads of potential. Cech's been good for a while, yes. He was player of the tournament in the UEFA U-21 Championship. Arsenal need a good goalie now not a goalie who'll become good in a few years.

Well, Adler, Neuer and Akinfeev aren't at the best clubs are they :P Asenjo and Lloris are at decent clubs but the big 4 are better clubs. And it won't take a lot fo money as a few have got buy out clauses for less than £15 Million and won't cost a ton. Also, Akinfeev is Captain of CSKA and Russia's number 1. Adler is 24 and very very experienced and at a good age for a keeper. Neuer is Germanys Number 1 I think and is also very experienced. Lloris is Lyons number 1 and very experienced and a good talent and Asenjo is AM's number 1 and also has experience. I agree Lloris and Asenjo might be a risk for Arsenal but Akinfeev, Adler and Neuer are all experienced enough to play straight away :)

[lBlue]

Yeah i was quite shocked, that the first time you have played like that this season? You wernt exactly awful, just wernt the Man City i have seen so far this season. But Shay Given is somthing special lol!!
Most probably.

[adaym]

Please sign Jaaskeleinan, Wenger. Almunia is such a liability.

[Geraint]

Yeah, someone like Jaaskelainen you need. Very good keeper and experienced in the Premier League. Might not have that many years left so he'll be pretty cheap and it gives you time to see how these other goalkeeper's have progressed.

[adaym]

£2m for 2 years I reckon. After that, Fabianski (who will be an amazing keeper) will take over the reigns. Even Wojech, I've seen him in reserves and he's outstanding at times.

[CHA!NGANG]

Mannone will be good but makes some silly judgements. As a shot stopper he is good but can be a bit theatrical. Fabianski is a pretty good keeper but we need someone for the next couple seasons. Saying that, I still stick to my posts about maybe getting in one of them 5. Maybe not Lloris or Asenjo but maybe one of the other ones.

[Andys]

And probably cheapest. £8 Mill I think. Money will spent to be honest as he keeps you in most games such as the one on the weekend. The one downside I think we have on the top English teams is our Keeper. Cech, VDS, Riena, Given are all top keepers. Almunia is well... not. If we can buy a decent keeper it will help us a lot. There are some very good young keepers out there like: Akinfeev, Lloris, Adler, Neuer, Asenjo. If we can buy one of them I'll be happy. I'd be willing to bet that United go for one of them either this season or the next :P

Anyway, only a few players really turned up for City the other day like Given, Bridge, Zabaletta (sp.), SWP and maybe De Jong/Kompany but Lescott, Tevez, RSC, Bellamy and Barry didn't preform really.
no, no, no. Cech is not a top keeper, give your head a shake lad!
And where is Jaaskelinen in that list? And what about Gordon? Obviously haven't seen him play this season have you? He has been immense, he truely is a top keeper, but seems to be very under-rated by clueless people.

I know Adam thinks Gordon is ****e, as have most Sunderland fans for a while now, but I've always believed since he's had competition from Fulop he's had a chance to sign, seriously, watch out for him in the next few weeks, he is an immense keeper ;)

[CHA!NGANG]

no, no, no. Cech is not a top keeper, give your head a shake lad!
And where is Jaaskelinen in that list? And what about Gordon? Obviously haven't seen him play this season have you? He has been immense, he truely is a top keeper, but seems to be very under-rated by clueless people.

I know Adam thinks Gordon is ****e, as have most Sunderland fans for a while now, but I've always believed since he's had competition from Fulop he's had a chance to sign, seriously, watch out for him in the next few weeks, he is an immense keeper ;)

Noooo I was only talking about the teams that are challanging for the title within the next few years apart from Arsenal :P (Chelsea, United, City and Liverpool). Yeah I know there are other good keepers in the league lol.

Cech is still a top keeper. Yes he's not as good as he was before. Before he could have been the best keeper in the world if not top 3 but now I'd still rate him in the top 10 in the world. He is still a top keeper, well I think so anyway.