Who do you support?

[-:Undertaker:-]

As rumours have been circulating that a general election is to be called for March 2010, it'd be interesting to see what party people on here support. A general election must be called by 3 June 2010 at the latest.

The election is largely expected to be won by the Conservative Party however alarm bells have been ringing over the rise in support of the BNP and fears over a hung parliament (no overall majority for any party) occuring because of Tory disatisfaction on Camerons EU policy and in general a defection to UKIP mean that a hung parliament could be very likely.

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The mainstream political parties (in order of European Parliamentary Election Results 2009)

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Conservative Party

The Conservative Party supports keeping the union of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland alive and support it against any Scottish nationalism/possible independance. The Conservatives are also committed to cutting the public spending which is leaving the country in a massive debt. The Conservatives have pledged to re-gain lost sovereignty from the European Union and hold a referendum on any new treaty in the future.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d2/United_Kingdom_Independence_Party.jpg/300px-United_Kingdom_Independence_Party.jpg (http://www.habboxforum.com/wiki/File:United_Kingdom_Independence_Party.jpg)
United Kingdom Independance Party

The United Kingdom Independance Party (UKIP) is committed to withdrawing the United Kingdom from the European Union, it states that it wishes to be friends with Europe but not governed by Europe. UKIP also support trading more with the Commonwealth, which includes growing economies such as India. UKIP is sceptical that climate change is caused by humans but supports the building of nuclear power stations to secure the UKs' energy security. UKIP also believes that immigration should be frozen for a 5 year period while the current mess is sorted out and then they will introduce a points-based system. Finally, UKIP supports halting government databases/ID card schemes and so on as it views them as undemocratic.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/05/Logo_Labour_Party.svg/250px-Logo_Labour_Party.svg.png (http://www.habboxforum.com/wiki/File:Logo_Labour_Party.svg)
Labour Party

The Labour Party has been in power since 1997 when it won a landslide election which swept it to office. Judging from current policies Labour supports futher EU-intergration, continue the system of mass immigration and public spending, although it has pledged to cut public spending after the next election if elected.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d3/Liberal_Democrats_UK_Logo.svg/250px-Liberal_Democrats_UK_Logo.svg.png (http://www.habboxforum.com/wiki/File:Liberal_Democrats_UK_Logo.svg)
Liberal Democrats

The Liberal Democrats support higher taxation to fund the welfare state. The Liberal Democrats are against ID cards and the way the government has handled the war on terror. The Liberal Democrats strongly believe in climate change and also advocate the advance of EU-intergration, however they have called for a referendum at times on this issue.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/ab/Green_Party_of_England_and_Wales_logo.svg/150px-Green_Party_of_England_and_Wales_logo.svg.png (http://www.habboxforum.com/wiki/File:Green_Party_of_England_and_Wales_logo.svg)
Green Party of England and Wales

The Green Party as you could guess from the name agree with the idea that humans are causing global warming/climate change. The Green Party also supports the legalization of drugs such as cannabis. The Green Party wants NATO to disband and wants the UK to be a part of the EU but does not support the EU on the grounds that they consider it undemocratic.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a5/BNP_logo.svg/200px-BNP_logo.svg.png (http://www.habboxforum.com/wiki/File:BNP_logo.svg)
British National Party

The British National Party (BNP) opposes immigration and believes that the United Kingdom should have a closed-door policy on immigration. The BNP supports the nationalisation of most business and rejects 'Thatcherism'. The BNP believes that the United Kingdom should withdraw from the European Union.

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An interesting site is http://www.takethequiz.co.uk/ which gives a good indicator of which party you're views are more similar too, of course it doesn't mean you have to support them.

What political party do you support and why?

[Jamesy]

I tend to favour the conservatives/ UKIP. I don't agree on a 5 year halt on imigration, but do think a points system/ reduction is needed. Asylum should be in the first safe country.

I don't like the BNP at all, who are lying through the teeth in an effort to seem respectable.

Labour I feel have had their time and royally buggered it up in the last 5 years.

And that quiz thing is quite good:


Labour 22%

Conservative 62%

Greens 32%

LibDem 28%

UKIP 89%

[-:Undertaker:-]

Labour 22%

Conservative 51%

Greens 30%

LibDem 22%

UKIP 95%

UKIP support a 5 year freeze because of the mess we're in at the moment thanks to the government with possibly millions of illegal people here we don't even know are here. Anyway I support UKIP and the Conservatives second probably, so the quiz thing seems pretty accurate.

[Ardemax]

I think still Labour to be honest, I don't feel UKIP has good policies other than immigration, and I think the BNP is rather racist and discriminates people. The green party will have no chance atm and Tories will win me thinks

[Wig44.]

I think still Labour to be honest, I don't feel UKIP has good policies other than immigration, and I think the BNP is rather racist and discriminates people. The green party will have no chance atm and Tories will win me thinks


Is there any example of these bad policies besides the immigration policies?

Anyway, I myself am backing UKIP and I seriously think that once people stop with the UKIP = FASCIST mindset they have a serious chance of winning.

[Hitman]

UKIP gets my vote... I think it's not too harsh but not a pushover either.

BNP have some views which I agree with, such as there are too many immigrants atm, however I don't agree with stopping immigration altogether.

Conservatives seem a strong candidate in my opinion, however I think they would "go soft" if they came into power (by going soft I mean end up like Labour). That's a personal view.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I think still Labour to be honest, I don't feel UKIP has good policies other than immigration, and I think the BNP is rather racist and discriminates people. The green party will have no chance atm and Tories will win me thinks

If you consider the British National Party racist for having a policy based on race, then so is the Labour Party; http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=610801

[Jamesy]

If you consider the British National Party racist for having a policy based on race, then so is the Labour Party; http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=610801

My problem with the BNP is the core members of the organisation. Whatever their policies may be many of the members are hard-line racists and I would not like a party like that in power.

As Hitman said, UKIP appear to have their policies on immigration without having a history seated in fascism and racism.

[-:Undertaker:-]

My problem with the BNP is the core members of the organisation. Whatever their policies may be many of the members are hard-line racists and I would not like a party like that in power.

As Hitman said, UKIP appear to have their policies on immigration without having a history seated in fascism and racism.

I don't agree with a policy based on race either, it is just hypocritical to ignore Labours' racial immigration policy which was engineered on race, be ignored just because its one of the main parties. It is like Nick Griffin was at a war memorial the other day and the newspapers said he something like 'sabotaged' the memorial, but then pictures of David Cameron posing for his personal photo shooter come out and he doesn't recieve an equal grilling for something actually so just..uhh its like why would you do that people can see how FAKE it is! :P

[kk.]

As rumours have been circulating that a general election is to be called for March 2010, it'd be interesting to see what party people on here support. A general election must be called by 3 June 2010 at the latest.

The election is largely expected to be won by the Conservative Party however alarm bells have been ringing over the rise in support of the BNP and fears over a hung parliament (no overall majority for any party) occuring because of Tory disatisfaction on Camerons EU policy and in general a defection to UKIP mean that a hung parliament could be very likely.

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The mainstream political parties (in order of European Parliamentary Election Results 2009)

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Conservative Party

The Conservative Party supports keeping the union of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland alive and support it against any Scottish nationalism/possible independance. The Conservatives are also committed to cutting the public spending which is leaving the country in a massive debt. The Conservatives have pledged to re-gain lost sovereignty from the European Union and hold a referendum on any new treaty in the future.

This is my probable vote. Its the last sentence i dont agree with as what you said the other week, we now have no say in whether to hold a referendum (or something to that effect)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d2/United_Kingdom_Independence_Party.jpg/300px-United_Kingdom_Independence_Party.jpg (http://www.habboxforum.com/wiki/File:United_Kingdom_Independence_Party.jpg)
United Kingdom Independance Party

The United Kingdom Independance Party (UKIP) is committed to withdrawing the United Kingdom from the European Union, it states that it wishes to be friends with Europe but not governed by Europe. UKIP also support trading more with the Commonwealth, which includes growing economies such as India. UKIP is sceptical that climate change is caused by humans but supports the building of nuclear power stations to secure the UKs' energy security. UKIP also believes that immigration should be frozen for a 5 year period while the current mess is sorted out and then they will introduce a points-based system. Finally, UKIP supports halting government databases/ID card schemes and so on as it views them as undemocratic.

I like how youve put the most into this one since i know youre a UKIP Supporter :P
basically, withdrawing from the EU is a bad decision on the whole. What we need is the security that we wont be subject to any EU law, but are open to free trade. Why we cant do this i dont know. Immigration shouldnt be frozen, the points system should be put into place, and sort out the current mess at the same time. a lot of people in those 5 years will suffer.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/05/Logo_Labour_Party.svg/250px-Logo_Labour_Party.svg.png (http://www.habboxforum.com/wiki/File:Logo_Labour_Party.svg)
Labour Party

The Labour Party has been in power since 1997 when it won a landslide election which swept it to office. Judging from current policies Labour supports futher EU-intergration, continue the system of mass immigration and public spending, although it has pledged to cut public spending after the next election if elected.

seems like all youve included are bad points. Im sure there are other, better policies you couldve given.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d3/Liberal_Democrats_UK_Logo.svg/250px-Liberal_Democrats_UK_Logo.svg.png (http://www.habboxforum.com/wiki/File:Liberal_Democrats_UK_Logo.svg)
Liberal Democrats

The Liberal Democrats support higher taxation to fund the welfare state. The Liberal Democrats are against ID cards and the way the government has handled the war on terror. The Liberal Democrats strongly believe in climate change and also advocate the advance of EU-intergration, however they have called for a referendum at times on this issue.

no point commenting on the LD tbh. Theyll never get into power.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/ab/Green_Party_of_England_and_Wales_logo.svg/150px-Green_Party_of_England_and_Wales_logo.svg.png (http://www.habboxforum.com/wiki/File:Green_Party_of_England_and_Wales_logo.svg)
Green Party of England and Wales

The Green Party as you could guess from the name agree with the idea that humans are causing global warming/climate change. The Green Party also supports the legalization of drugs such as cannabis. The Green Party wants NATO to disband and wants the UK to be a part of the EU but does not support the EU on the grounds that they consider it undemocratic.

humans arent causing global warming, were just catalysts. green party probably wont get my vote

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a5/BNP_logo.svg/200px-BNP_logo.svg.png (http://www.habboxforum.com/wiki/File:BNP_logo.svg)
British National Party

The British National Party (BNP) opposes immigration and believes that the United Kingdom should have a closed-door policy on immigration. The BNP supports the nationalisation of most business and rejects 'Thatcherism'. The BNP believes that the United Kingdom should withdraw from the European Union.

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An interesting site is http://www.takethequiz.co.uk/ which gives a good indicator of which party you're views are more similar too, of course it doesn't mean you have to support them.

What political party do you support and why?

^^ bold.
plus that site breaks for me

[Blinger1]

One Nation at the moment for me (AUSTRALIA).. otherwise labour?

[Ardemax]

ok wig and undertaker, explain why several of their members are in jail for GBH?

their ideas on the world are just insane

yes they talk a good fight, but when they actually bring it into action, things will be different... nick griffin even denied the holocaust!

[Ontario]

I bet half the people who vote in this poll are not old enough to legally vote and barely know anything about the party they voted for in this poll except what they see in the News.

[kk.]

I bet half the people who vote in this poll are not old enough to legally vote and barely know anything about the party they voted for in this poll except what they see in the News.

Maybe add something constructive to the thread? In any case, it says who do you support, not who you're gonna vote for this time around. You can be 12 and still support a party...

[Nixt]

I bet half the people who vote in this poll are not old enough to legally vote and barely know anything about the party they voted for in this poll except what they see in the News.

That is probably true, but how the hell do you think most people in the country make the decision on which party they vote for? The media is well the majority of people get their information on - they do not scrutinise policies or carefully look at party politics.

[Ontario]

What i'm getting at is that most people will watch say BBC news see something a party has done or not done then make a decision based on one policy that is in the current news.
People say they support a party but then if you turn round to them and say ok what do you like about the party? what do you think about their policies? What will that party do for the UK if they were to get in power?
People are like "er i just like them". They have no idea about the party or its politics but have just chosen to "like" a party and most of time it is based on a BBC news article (now i'm not saying the BBC portrays parties badly but they only show the smallest tip of the iceberg when it comes to a parties politics or politics in general)

[-:Undertaker:-]

ok wig and undertaker, explain why several of their members are in jail for GBH?

their ideas on the world are just insane

yes they talk a good fight, but when they actually bring it into action, things will be different... nick griffin even denied the holocaust!

I am talking about racial immigration policy, if the BNPs' immigration policy is racist then so is Labours. On Nick Griffin - I thought we lived in a democracy?


I bet half the people who vote in this poll are not old enough to legally vote and barely know anything about the party they voted for in this poll except what they see in the News.

What party are you referring to in particular?

I think it wrong for you to say that, yes we have swing voters in this country but a lot of people have an idea what their beliefs are/what is the best party for this country. It is like in the past, people on this forum have said that the voters are too stupid to make a decision on the Lisbon Treaty - utter rubbish.

[Eoin]

none, SNP

[Caution]

SNP, although I don't agree totally with them. It's mainly based on the fact I think Scotland should be independant. If I was in another part of the UK I would probably vote for UKIP though.

+That website doesn't work for me.

[Wig44.]

ok wig and undertaker, explain why several of their members are in jail for GBH?

their ideas on the world are just insane

yes they talk a good fight, but when they actually bring it into action, things will be different... nick griffin even denied the holocaust!

Ok Ardemax, read my post and tell me where I said anything about the BNP? I'd like my post answered too.

[Ardemax]

I am talking about racial immigration policy, if the BNPs' immigration policy is racist then so is Labours. On Nick Griffin - I thought we lived in a democracy?

are you seriously saying that labour's immigration policy is as racist as the BNP's?


Ok Ardemax, read my post and tell me where I said anything about the BNP? I'd like my post answered too.

my bad, i just meant undertaker

[Dragorn]

BNP does it for me, get rid of all immigrants, but he needs to change some of his rules. I think he should make 85% of the UK white. Obviously the ones who dont vote for BNP have either got black friends, black themselves or dont live in an area where blacks are (usually posh areas).

[Jamesy]

BNP does it for me, get rid of all immigrants, but he needs to change some of his rules. I think he should make 85% of the UK white. Obviously the ones who dont vote for BNP have either got black friends, black themselves or dont live in an area where blacks are (usually posh areas).

Wow, way to generalise horrifically on that last sentence.

[Wig44.]

BNP does it for me, get rid of all immigrants, but he needs to change some of his rules. I think he should make 85% of the UK white. Obviously the ones who dont vote for BNP have either got black friends, black themselves or dont live in an area where blacks are (usually posh areas).

Less than 10% of the UK is currently non-white.

[Ardemax]

Dragorn I find you really prejudge and quite frankly, horrible.

If you don't have black friends (even remotely black) then what kind of person are you?

And again you're more prejudged when you say that blacks can't be posh.

I don't generally like racist comments and prejudice like this.

[-:Undertaker:-]

are you seriously saying that labour's immigration policy is as racist as the BNP's?

I am, infact i'm saying that the BNP immigration policy is less racist than that of Labour, simply because Labour have been actually running their policy in secret over the past decade whereas the BNP haven't had the chance to implement theirs.


Dragorn I find you really prejudge and quite frankly, horrible.

If you don't have black friends (even remotely black) then what kind of person are you?

And again you're more prejudged when you say that blacks can't be posh.

I don't generally like racist comments and prejudice like this.

I don't have black friends, what does that make me?

We do not choose friends based on skin colour, maybe you do but I don't judge on skin colour thank you very much. On his post, Labour ran the same immigration policy as he is suggesting; so are Dragorn, the BNP AND Labour racist or are none of them racist?

..they all have/support policies relating to race, so the only two options are labelled above.

[Ardemax]

I am, infact i'm saying that the BNP immigration policy is less racist than that of Labour, simply because Labour have been actually running their policy in secret over the past decade whereas the BNP haven't had the chance to implement theirs.



I don't have black friends, what does that make me?

We do not choose friends based on skin colour, maybe you do but I don't judge on skin colour thank you very much. On his post, Labour ran the same immigration policy as he is suggesting; so are Dragorn, the BNP AND Labour racist or are none of them racist?

..they all have/support policies relating to race, so the only two options are labelled above.

No, Dragorn and the BNP are racist, not Labour. If Labour were so racist, why have they been in power for 10 years? Surely if they were that bad someone would've noticed at the last general election.

I'm not being funny here, but if you don't have any black friends, I don't think it's fair that you should be deciding their fate by voting BNP. That's just me.

[-:Undertaker:-]

No, Dragorn and the BNP are racist, not Labour. If Labour were so racist, why have they been in power for 10 years? Surely if they were that bad someone would've noticed at the last general election.

I'm not being funny here, but if you don't have any black friends, I don't think it's fair that you should be deciding their fate by voting BNP. That's just me.

I have just provided proof that Labour had an immigration policy based on race, you call Dragorn and the BNP racist for supporting a immigration policy based on race. I will ask again; why are Labour any different?

I haven't said I would vote BNP, i'm merely picking a hole in you're stance which seems to trip you up with the only answer coming back being 'oh Labour have been in office for 10 years so its alright'. I don't make friends based on race, you may, but I don't - same with many others, and its not upto you or someone else to say they can't have a certain opinion on something just because they haven't got a black/asian etc friend.

[Ardemax]

I have just provided proof that Labour had an immigration policy based on race, you call Dragorn and the BNP racist for supporting a immigration policy based on race. I will ask again; why are Labour any different?

I haven't said I would vote BNP, i'm merely picking a hole in you're stance which seems to trip you up with the only answer coming back being 'oh Labour have been in office for 10 years so its alright'. I don't make friends based on race, you may, but I don't - same with many others, and its not upto you or someone else to say they can't have a certain opinion on something just because they haven't got a black/asian etc friend.

I don't judge friends based on race. But if you notice on Dragorns post he states "Obviously the ones who dont vote for BNP have either got black friends, black themselves or dont live in an area where blacks are (usually posh areas)."

Are you saying this is perfectly acceptable? Because you can't say that Labour, the BNP and Dragorn are all racist, either all of them or none.

2 of them are racist (Dragorn and BNP).

Now answer my question. Why are several of the BNP's members in jail for GBH?

[Wig44.]

I don't judge friends based on race. But if you notice on Dragorns post he states "Obviously the ones who dont vote for BNP have either got black friends, black themselves or dont live in an area where blacks are (usually posh areas)."

Are you saying this is perfectly acceptable? Because you can't say that Labour, the BNP and Dragorn are all racist, either all of them or none.

2 of them are racist (Dragorn and BNP).

Now answer my question. Why are several of the BNP's members in jail for GBH?

Actually he is right and can say that if he wants. Some of them are in prison for GBH because they were found guilty of GBH. Your point is? Ad hominem?

[Jamesy]

I have just provided proof that Labour had an immigration policy based on race, you call Dragorn and the BNP racist for supporting a immigration policy based on race. I will ask again; why are Labour any different?


Labour's immigration policy did not state that one race was superior to another. The BNP's does as their core members and a majority of the membership believe that whites > colours.

The main parties do need to start tackling immigration, the BNP are only saying what people want to hear - because no other party is giving the public the answers they want (Jack Straw, question time, nuff said). The sooner the mainstream parties begin tackling the issues in the right way, without social manipulation (labour) and without having a racist core membership (BNP), the more chance is that party that will end up winning the election.

[Gibs960]

I'm not into politics.

Edited by Jamesy (Forum Moderator): Please do not post pointlessly, thanks.

[Ardemax]

Actually he is right and can say that if he wants. Some of them are in prison for GBH because they were found guilty of GBH. Your point is? Ad hominem?

GBH for attacks on some black people, yeah that's my point.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I don't judge friends based on race. But if you notice on Dragorns post he states "Obviously the ones who dont vote for BNP have either got black friends, black themselves or dont live in an area where blacks are (usually posh areas)."

Are you saying this is perfectly acceptable? Because you can't say that Labour, the BNP and Dragorn are all racist, either all of them or none.

2 of them are racist (Dragorn and BNP).

Now answer my question. Why are several of the BNP's members in jail for GBH?

If you do not judge friends on race then why are you saying that me and others who happen not to have black/asian friends are not entitled to an opinon.

I am saying that they are either all racist or all not racist, as for my personal opinion I would rather we have less rules as possible and that its equal on both sides, whether you are black or white. That means no black police associations and so forth.

On your 'question' - because the simple answer is that there are BNP members who are violent and racist and deserve to be locked up.


Labour's immigration policy did not state that one race was superior to another. The BNP's does as their core members and a majority of the membership believe that whites > colours.

The main parties do need to start tackling immigration, the BNP are only saying what people want to hear - because no other party is giving the public the answers they want (Jack Straw, question time, nuff said). The sooner the mainstream parties begin tackling the issues in the right way, without social manipulation (labour) and without having a racist core membership (BNP), the more chance is that party that will end up winning the election.

Labours immigration policy was designed to engineer the race of this country, and to make right wing people who are sceptics of immigration look racist. I think if the BNP are racist for having a racial immigration policy, then so is Labour as equally racist.

[Ardemax]

If you do not judge friends on race then why are you saying that me and others who happen not to have black/asian friends are not entitled to an opinon.

I am saying that they are either all racist or all not racist, as for my personal opinion I would rather we have less rules as possible and that its equal on both sides, whether you are black or white. That means no black police associations and so forth.

On your 'question' - because the simple answer is that there are BNP members who are violent and racist and deserve to be locked up.

Surely that would reflect on the BNP itself?

I didn't say you weren't entitled to an opinion, I said I don't think it's right that you should be sending them home without even knowing them. Not all black people are bad you know.

Labour - not racist. BNP + Dragorns post - racist.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Surely that would reflect on the BNP itself?

I didn't say you weren't entitled to an opinion, I said I don't think it's right that you should be sending them home without even knowing them. Not all black people are bad you know.

Labour - not racist. BNP + Dragorns post - racist.

I never said they were all bad, neither did I say we should send them home. I have said very clearly I support the UKIP line; freeze on immigration for a 5-year period while the current mess is cleared up (such as deporting criminals and people who are of no use to the country) and then reopen the borders but with real immigration controls which keeps a tab on who is in the country and who isn't, and who we want and who we don't want.

..so is it or is it not racist to have a immigration policy based on race? (yes or no answer)

[LuketheDuke]

Green party ftw, gonna be taking Brighton and maybe a East Anglian constituency at the next general election.

small gains but it puts people who support the most important issue on the planet at the forefront of politics. Not to mention universal insulation in housing, better minimum wage, better freight links, immigration caps and integration schemes etcetc.

Politics is screwed so its times smaller parties got their chance to shine.

[Ardemax]

I never said they were all bad, neither did I say we should send them home. I have said very clearly I support the UKIP line; freeze on immigration for a 5-year period while the current mess is cleared up (such as deporting criminals and people who are of no use to the country) and then reopen the borders but with real immigration controls which keeps a tab on who is in the country and who isn't, and who we want and who we don't want.

..so is it or is it not racist to have a immigration policy based on race? (yes or no answer)

yes, it is racist.

if you're denying someone to stay into a country because of their appearance/background, I'd call that just bad and wrong. If you're doing it because they're black and you assume they'll do something wrong, that's prejudice, if you then tell them that and turn them away, that's discrimination.

yeah, I probably agree with UKIP on tougher border controls, but I think 5 years is way too long.

[-:Undertaker:-]

yes, it is racist.

if you're denying someone to stay into a country because of their appearance/background, I'd call that just bad and wrong. If you're doing it because they're black and you assume they'll do something wrong, that's prejudice, if you then tell them that and turn them away, that's discrimination.

yeah, I probably agree with UKIP on tougher border controls, but I think 5 years is way too long.

Labours' is racist then if that is the case.

The middle bit is not what I said, you can see what I said below which is very clear. I'm afraid judging on background is right because we do not want uneducated/criminals coming here now, do we?

..5 years is the time period needed to sort out the mess this government has created.

[Bun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D97XgF7rR0



haha i'm sure undertaker will enjoy that vid ^, and personally i'm mainly middley righty (labour dem if you will :8), the tories scare me :(, although they will get in next election.

[Ardemax]

Labours' is racist then if that is the case.

The middle bit is not what I said, you can see what I said below which is very clear. I'm afraid judging on background is right because we do not want uneducated/criminals coming here now, do we?

..5 years is the time period needed to sort out the mess this government has created.

that is prejudice and you know it.
MLK fought for these rights and some people simply blow them away. Don't you think immigrants should be treated fairly?
Great, I agree with you, we can't let anybody come here willy-nilly, but you're saying that people who are black are ciminals? Can I get some discrimination in the forum? /sarcasm :rolleyes:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D97XgF7rR0



haha i'm sure undertaker will enjoy that vid ^, and personally i'm mainly middley righty (labour dem if you will :8), the tories scare me :(, although they will get in next election.

saw that on the impressions show :P

[-:Undertaker:-]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D97XgF7rR0

haha i'm sure undertaker will enjoy that vid ^, and personally i'm mainly middley righty (labour dem if you will :8), the tories scare me :(, although they will get in next election.

By right do you mean right wing? - if so then Labour isn't right win to let you know, its left wing. I like the video though, i've missed them all so far but I loved Dead Ringers. :P


that is prejudice and you know it.
MLK fought for these rights and some people simply blow them away. Don't you think immigrants should be treated fairly?
Great, I agree with you, we can't let anybody come here willy-nilly, but you're saying that people who are black are ciminals? Can I get some discrimination in the forum? /sarcasm :rolleyes:

saw that on the impressions show :P

Martin Luther King DID NOT fight for criminals/uneducated people to be allowed into the United Kingdom. Where did I say people who are black are criminals? On you're youtube comment on the UKIP page, you say UKIP are a one-policy party, wrong. They have policies for ALL areas. You make everything up as you go along don't you?

[Bun]

By right do you mean right wing? - if so then Labour isn't right win to let you know, its left wing. I like the video though, i've missed them all so far but I loved Dead Ringers. :P

lmao how embarrasing i put that, i honestly didn't mean to :P. yeah i'm middle left :eusa_wall christ A Level Politics fail.

[Ardemax]

Martin Luther King DID NOT fight for criminals/uneducated people to be allowed into the United Kingdom. Where did I say people who are black are criminals? On you're youtube comment on the UKIP page, you say UKIP are a one-policy party, wrong. They have policies for ALL areas. You make everything up as you go along don't you?

"I'm afraid judging on background is right because we do not want uneducated/criminals coming here now, do we?" There we go.

Of course they have policies on all areas, but their name gives it away "UK Independence Party". Which to me sounds like one thing, the UK leaving the EU and therefore becoming independent.

[Wig44.]

"I'm afraid judging on background is right because we do not want uneducated/criminals coming here now, do we?" There we go.

Of course they have policies on all areas, but their name gives it away "UK Independence Party". Which to me sounds like one thing, the UK leaving the EU and therefore becoming independent.

They have excellent policies for all areas, obviously the name is UKIP because their most revolutionary policy is leaving the EU and it is their main concern. That does not, however, detract from their other policies in any way.

[-:Undertaker:-]

"I'm afraid judging on background is right because we do not want uneducated/criminals coming here now, do we?" There we go.

Of course they have policies on all areas, but their name gives it away "UK Independence Party". Which to me sounds like one thing, the UK leaving the EU and therefore becoming independent.

How is that connected with race?

The European Union makes 84% of our laws, so to be in government and to be able to do anything really effective you would need to withdraw from the European Union. I have heard anyway they are planning to change to Independance Party which would cover their conservative stance, independance for the individual, independance for schools, independance for the United Kingdom and so on.

[Ardemax]

How is that connected with race?

The European Union makes 84% of our laws, so to be in government and to be able to do anything really effective you would need to withdraw from the European Union. I have heard anyway they are planning to change to Independance Party which would cover their conservative stance, independance for the individual, independance for schools, independance for the United Kingdom and so on.

the hell has that got anything to do with my post?

"Judging on background"? That could be mistaken from... their background.

Also I think alex answered in bold - seeing how it hasn't got anything to do with my post..

[-:Undertaker:-]

the hell has that got anything to do with my post?

"Judging on background"? That could be mistaken from... their background.

Also I think alex answered in bold - seeing how it hasn't got anything to do with my post..

You say you don't like UKIP because they are a one policy-based party (even though they are not), I then posted that withdrawal from the EU is their main policy because it makes 84% of our laws, meaning that if it isn't your policy to withdraw then you are only voting for somebody to make 16% of your laws, which is pointless.

..background means are they educated, are they a criminal, do we need the, do we want them, can we afford them - all the common sense questions which people want asked of people who are coming to this country.

[Ardemax]

You say you don't like UKIP because they are a one policy-based party (even though they are not), I then posted that withdrawal from the EU is their main policy because it makes 84% of our laws, meaning that if it isn't your policy to withdraw then you are only voting for somebody to make 16% of your laws, which is pointless.

..background means are they educated, are they a criminal, do we need the, do we want them, can we afford them - all the common sense questions which people want asked of people who are coming to this country.

ye, it's the only policy they "big up".

great, we don't want criminals in this country, superb. can we deport ours?

[-:Undertaker:-]

ye, it's the only policy they "big up".

great, we don't want criminals in this country, superb. can we deport ours?

Yes well it would be, common sense would say that the thing that creates 84% of our laws would be the thing you tackle first, just like in 1979 when Thatcher traced all the countries problems back to the unions, and dealth with them.

No we sadly can't deport ours, but we can stop more coming in and making the problem worse.

[Ardemax]

Yes well it would be, common sense would say that the thing that creates 84% of our laws would be the thing you tackle first, just like in 1979 when Thatcher traced all the countries problems back to the unions, and dealth with them.

No we sadly can't deport ours, but we can stop more coming in and making the problem worse.

Yeah great, stop criminals... if they have a record. If they don't? Are you going to assume they look "dodgy" and turn them away?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yeah great, stop criminals... if they have a record. If they don't? Are you going to assume they look "dodgy" and turn them away?

I did not say that, I said perfectly clearly;



If you have a criminal record - no entry.
If we do not need you - no entry.

[Ardemax]

I did not say that, I said perfectly clearly;



If you have a criminal record - no entry.
If we do not need you - no entry.



ye great, why don't we throw the people we don't need, out now?

also, do you mean as in jobs terms? if someone is a qualified doctor etc.? but if immigrants want to clean toilets let them? nobody here would do it

[-:Undertaker:-]

ye great, why don't we throw the people we don't need, out now?

also, do you mean as in jobs terms? if someone is a qualified doctor etc.? but if immigrants want to clean toilets let them? nobody here would do it

We cannot throw people out here who we do not need, use some common sense as no other country would accept them. We can however stop that unemployment pile growing and focus on cutting it down, rather than accepting more unemployed/unemployable people from other countries.

On that, if we need doctors then yes come in, if we need cleaners then yes come in. If we dont, then you dont come in - very simple.

[Ardemax]

yes, very simple and i haven't said we shouldn't let these people in

[-:Undertaker:-]

..so what was your point?

[Ardemax]

my point was something about what you said about the BNP

not this border control stuff