vBulletin 4 beta released

[GoldenMerc]

to the people who baught it, iv been playing with it. nothing special tbh

[Chippiewill]

to the people who baught it, iv been playing with it. nothing special tbh

I reckon Jin is thinking up as many ways to kill himself before having to upgrading to VB4

[Jamesy]

I reckon Jin is thinking up as many ways to kill himself before having to upgrading to VB4

I can understand why. I had a go today at upgrading a test copy of a forum I administrate.

Would seem there is a long way to go before release.

[xXiShadowXx]

Are 3.x skins compatible with 4.x?

[Jamesy]

Are 3.x skins compatible with 4.x?

Not even minorly, they just plain don't work.

[DeejayMachoo$]

Not even minorly, they just plain don't work.


VB4 doesn't use tables.

[Jamesy]

VB4 doesn't use tables.

I am aware, spent most of today breaking a forum and reinstalling :eusa_danc to learn the new systems.

On a similar note, very helpful doc here: http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/entry.php?2373-vB4-Skinning-Your-Forum-in-10-Easy-Steps

[Agnostic Bear]

Wow, vbulletin 4 is just 3 repackaged and slightly modified with new skins.

[HD-Christopher]

U have to buy the forum upgrade don't you if you have a current license?

[Jin]

I have never had the urge to die so much. Just looking at the daunting task of converting styles and plugins, not sure if I can be bothered with all of this right now.

[GoldenMerc]

its not even worth it tbh. vb4 is crap

[HotelUser]

I went on some random Habbo forum, Hababble, and they have a really nice AJAX script that automatically adds new posts to a thread, without the need to refresh the webpage.

I wouldn't mind if vbulletin was more interactive like this, without having to get adons to do it, someone should introduce them to the gwt:rolleyes:

[Jamesy]

I have never had the urge to die so much. Just looking at the daunting task of converting styles and plugins, not sure if I can be bothered with all of this right now.

Yup, instead of a nice CSS style manager central core bit you could tweak, before attacking the templates for any further changes you're now stuck with a stylevar system that is hard to understand.

I'm hoping it's just Beta only things and they'll get a better system out later.... how can they justify selling it at a higher price and leaving in non-functional bits if they leave it in? :eusa_wall

[DeejayMachoo$]

Yup, instead of a nice CSS style manager central core bit you could tweak, before attacking the templates for any further changes you're now stuck with a stylevar system that is hard to understand.

I'm hoping it's just Beta only things and they'll get a better system out later.... how can they justify selling it at a higher price and leaving in non-functional bits if they leave it in? :eusa_wall

TBH they shouldn't of released the beta this early but the only reason they did it was because people were moaning, all the bugs should be fixed once the gold release is out. So stop moaning.

They released a CMS and intergrated the blog in for 1 price. Fully re-coded the templates system amunxt others, completly recoded how addons work.

Now all licences will not expire until the end of VB Version 4.x.x

They are working there ass off too get it working at a full useable state, there website said its unstable and they don't recomend using it at the current stage.

If you don't like it theres still access too 3.x.x so just use that until the gold release. It will be better than 3.x.x just be patient.

[Jamesy]

TBH they shouldn't of released the beta this early but the only reason they did it was because people were moaning, all the bugs should be fixed once the gold release is out. So stop moaning.

They released a CMS and intergrated the blog in for 1 price. Fully re-coded the templates system amunxt others, completly recoded how addons work.

Now all licences will not expire until the end of VB Version 4.x.x

They are working there ass off too get it working at a full useable state, there website said its unstable and they don't recomend using it at the current stage.

If you don't like it theres still access too 3.x.x so just use that until the gold release. It will be better than 3.x.x just be patient.

I'm not moaning, I am perfectly aware it is a beta and I've even said that it is a beta and things will be fixed. I am simply saying what is not complete for the people who don't have access. I am also commenting on the way they seem to be going - the style manager used to use a nice intuative CSS manager, instead they now use a stylevar thing that can best be said here:
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?326104-Wish-it-was-easier-to-change-the-styles


Now all licences will not expire until the end of VB Version 4.x.x

I was under the impression your licenses did not expire, but to go from 4 > 5 would be another single payment.


They are working there ass off too get it working at a full useable state, there website said its unstable and they don't recomend using it at the current stage.

They recommend it on a test environment. Which I have done, the point is to try it out and see what is and isn't right and report bugs. If everyone just sat down and ignored it a beta would be completely pointless

[GoldenMerc]

Once you have baught vB4 you've paid for the whole series of 4, im not sure if 3.x will run again as i have 2 owned licences, i refuse to upgrade to vb4. too expensive

[joshuar]

Hopefully they will quickly iron the bugs out and move on to the next release within the series, as the Admin CP seriously needs a facelift to match the front end. Now that they have updated the code, hopefully we will start to see improvment.

However, they have gone so far over their predicted dates without their looking like there is much progress I can see why customers are being put off, the CMS still has some way to go (it seems you can't add static pages, just content? or is that just me being a bit special?) and the style does need some work, it feels quite claustophobic to use. They've thrown alot at it, but it's not clear what everything does and the navigator should be AJAX or Java or whatever it is that makes it so when you click on the bigger buttons, the links refresh to show the new ones without the page changing just yet.

Just my current 2 cents, i'm sure they'll be a different 2 cents in a few minutes.

[GoldenMerc]

They said ages ago vb4 would have a new admincp...

[Zokoli]

ugh.
yipee, horray another version of vb and another nulled version of vb.

joy to the world.

[Irrorate]

They said ages ago vb4 would have a new admincp...

They aren't spontaneously going to rewrite the Admin CP. They are (according to Wayne Luke) modifying the Admin CP slightly over each minor release.

From what I've bothered to browse of vBulletin 4, I like.

Their template system has been fully rewritten so any previous skins from any previous versions will not work. I'm not a fan of their new template variable systems, a lot of vb:raw, vb:var, vb:phrase, vb:if, vb:urlencode. Although their new systems are more secure as they are automatically escaped/encoded. It'll just take a little time for me to get used to.

I wouldn't go as far as to say vBulletin 4 is crap. It's still in Beta, it still has a lot of bugs. I like the fact they used a more CSS-centered layout this time around - it allows for easier changing.

Personally i'm happy with vBulletin 4. I find it faster than vBulletin 3 anyway.

@HotelUser, that is probably Live Topic (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=201228). It automatically makes a thread "Live" if it has been posted in in X minutes.

Licenses do not expire any more it is a one-time payment for each version. As soon as you buy vBulletin 4, you do not have to pay again for vBulletin 4. The only time you would need to pay is if you decided to upgrade from vBulletin 4 -> vBulletin 5.

[Jamesy]

They aren't spontaneously going to rewrite the Admin CP. They are (according to Wayne Luke) modifying the Admin CP slightly over each minor release.

From what I've bothered to browse of vBulletin 4, I like.

Their template system has been fully rewritten so any previous skins from any previous versions will not work. I'm not a fan of their new template variable systems, a lot of vb:raw, vb:var, vb:phrase, vb:if, vb:urlencode. Although their new systems are more secure as they are automatically escaped/encoded. It'll just take a little time for me to get used to.

I wouldn't go as far as to say vBulletin 4 is crap. It's still in Beta, it still has a lot of bugs. I like the fact they used a more CSS-centered layout this time around - it allows for easier changing.

Personally i'm happy with vBulletin 4. I find it faster than vBulletin 3 anyway.

@HotelUser, that is probably Live Topic (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=201228). It automatically makes a thread "Live" if it has been posted in in X minutes.

Licenses do not expire any more it is a one-time payment for each version. As soon as you buy vBulletin 4, you do not have to pay again for vBulletin 4. The only time you would need to pay is if you decided to upgrade from vBulletin 4 -> vBulletin 5.

I disagree that css makes for easier changing. They've made the css mimic tables which in my eyes means you may as well keep tables.

[joshuar]

To be honest, we are going to have to wait alot longer for vBulletin 4 to be breathtaking. It's seems to have improved in some areas and not improved too much in others. Personally I think a total rewrite from the ground up would have been better, as it's taking just as long to get a semi-finished vBulletin 4 out of the door.

The CSS from what is useable seems to be a let down, all it does is post articles, and to get it to be "Static content" you have to fiddle with settings, there should just be a static page in the ACP for that, similar to what vBAdvanced could do (even though that's not a CMS).

It's just seems to be a let down compared to how much they bigged it up.

[Irrorate]

I disagree that css makes for easier changing. They've made the css mimic tables which in my eyes means you may as well keep tables.
I'm glad we have a table-less layout for vBulletin 4. I find divs easier to work with than tables, and I hate tables, even though vBulletin 4 seems to have divitis.

Plus, the styles can be changed to suit any purpose. The stylevars take some getting used to - but they're a lot more secure now!


It's just seems to be a let down compared to how much they bigged it up.
Every business bigs up their products, it's how they sell. Regardless of how we decorate it up, Internet Brands is still a company. They are going to advertise their product to be the best for the purposes of selling their product.

I agree, vBulletin has a long way to go before it's going to be breathtaking. Everything can be improved and I am glad that Internet Brands are finally listening to customer feedback for vBulletin 4 and implementing it.