Herman van Rompuy named as European Council President

[alexxxxx]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8367589.stm

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Tony-Blair-Has-Dropped-Out-Of-The-Race-To-Be-EU-President-As-Herman-Van-Rompuy-Gets-The-Nod/Article/200911315457404?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15457404_Tony_Blair_Has_Dropped_Out_Of _The_Race_To_Be_EU_President_As_Herman_Van_Rompuy_ Gets_The_Nod

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/19/tony-blair-european-council-president

http://www.euronews.net/2009/11/19/van-rompuy-one-step-closer-to-presidency/

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6923856.ece

[-:Undertaker:-]

Adolf would be proud.

Amazing what the power of behind-the-door eurocracy can achieve compared to a World War.

[FlyingJesus]

Wow and we get the foreign policy post as a consolation prize... so when they force us to take the Euro it's gonna look like we're doing it to ourselves. Sly tactics there

[Nixt]

Oh my GOD, we're doomed.

[alexxxxx]

Oh my GOD, we're doomed.

just wait till:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/Raven_1959/torynewcorpsmall.png

get in ;)

[-:Undertaker:-]

It is amazing the way the left still ignore what went on under James Callaghan and now Blair/Brown yet still hold some hate towards the Conservatives, call Thatcher evil for taking the milk away from the children yet the undemocratic EU and illegal Iraq war - hey no problem!

[BoomItsClowgon]

It is amazing the way the left still ignore what went on under James Callaghan and now Blair/Brown yet still hold some hate towards the Conservatives, call Thatcher evil for taking the milk away from the children yet the undemocratic EU and illegal Iraq war - hey no problem!

Conservatives have done NOTHING to help this country.

Health services - Since coming to power 12 years ago the Labour government has trebled its investment in the Health service. This has helped ensure that today record numbers of patients are being treated than under old Tory governments, all thanks to the hard work of our current Labour government.

Pensions & pensioners - What’s the Labour Government ever done for Pensioners or Pensions? Twelve years ago the public sought change from tiresome Tory government. Since being elected the Labour government has helped ensure that today pensioners and those of the future can enjoy dignity and security in their retirement.

Hard working families - What’s the Labour Government done for helping our hard working families? The Labour Government elected into power in 1997 sought change from tiresome Tory legislation. Since being elected Labour have reduced child poverty and supported the hard working families so that raising their families as well as working is a
achievable task.

So what has the Torries done for us? Sold our private sector off, left family's near breaking point...

David Cameron is all mouth and no action. He will adapt the 'Thatcher' way, bringing the nation back to where it was in the late 80's.

The reason why Labour has ranked this Country in so much debt is because of the dam torries. If they did what Labour had done over the last 12 years then we wouldn't be in all of this mess. :eusa_wall

[-:Undertaker:-]

Conservatives have done NOTHING to help this country.

Health services - Since coming to power 12 years ago the Labour government has trebled its investment in the Health service. This has helped ensure that today record numbers of patients are being treated than under old Tory governments, all thanks to the hard work of our current Labour government. NHS is still as bad it as it has ever been, money does not solve problems. The NHS remains dirty, outdated, centralised and for the money that goes in the value is not coming out.


Pensions & pensioners - What’s the Labour Government ever done for Pensioners or Pensions? Twelve years ago the public sought change from tiresome Tory government. Since being elected the Labour government has helped ensure that today pensioners and those of the future can enjoy dignity and security in their retirement...is that why pensioners are in appalling conditions and are having to sell their houses to pay for their own care when they have paid taxes all their life?


Hard working families - What’s the Labour Government done for helping our hard working families? The Labour Government elected into power in 1997 sought change from tiresome Tory legislation. Since being elected Labour have reduced child poverty and supported the hard working families so that raising their families as well as working is a
achievable task.My family is a hard working family, the families I know are hard working families. I live in Liverpool, supposedly one of Labours strongholds - I can tell you now, people are FED UP with high taxes and constant nanny stateism from this government. Labour has done NOTHING to help people, the only thing it has done has help itself.


So what has the Torries done for us? Sold our private sector off, left family's near breaking point...Do you not understand why the country needed to be privatised? - are you prepared to blantantly ignore history and carry on with you're marxist dream of socialism and the rest of that complete and utter rubbish which killed more people than anything else ever did on this planet in its short 200 odd year history?


David Cameron is all mouth and no action. He will adapt the 'Thatcher' way, bringing the nation back to where it was in the late 80's.I hope he is like Thatcher but he won't be, another Blair and more lies coming to a country near you!


The reason why Labour has ranked this Country in so much debt is because of the dam torries. If they did what Labour had done over the last 12 years then we wouldn't be in all of this mess. :eusa_wallHERE WE GO AGAIN - YET AGAIN A LABOUR SUPPORTER BLAMES ALL THE CURRENT PROBLEMS ON THE TORIES DESPITE BEING IN OFFICE FOR 12 YEARS.

'EVIL THATCHER'
'EVIL TORIES'
'NOT LABOURS FAULT'

Wake up and smell the coffee instead of following you're parents opinions like a zombie, oh and grab a history textbook and do some reading.

[BoomItsClowgon]

NHS is still as bad it as it has ever been, money does not solve problems. The NHS remains dirty, outdated, centralised and for the money that goes in the value is not coming out.

Better when it was when the torries where in power.


..is that why pensioners are in appalling conditions and are having to sell their houses to pay for their own care when they have paid taxes all their life?

Do you not understand why the country needed to be privatised? - are you prepared to blantantly ignore history and carry on with you're marxist dream of socialism and the rest of that complete and utter rubbish which killed more people than anything else ever did on this planet in its short 200 odd year history?

Tell me one good reason why thatcher was right to privatize..

I hope he is like Thatcher but he won't be, another Blair and more lies coming to a country near you!

HERE WE GO AGAIN - YET AGAIN A LABOUR SUPPORTER BLAMES ALL THE CURRENT PROBLEMS ON THE TORIES DESPITE BEING IN OFFICE FOR 12 YEARS.

'EVIL THATCHER'
'EVIL TORIES'
'NOT LABOURS FAULT'


Wake up and smell the coffee instead of following you're parents opinions like a zombie, oh and grab a history textbook and do some reading.


You will find this to be a small majority of people. The Majority of pensioners are in decent care homes and are being looked after by a decent system in which the torrie party didn't even come close up against. There was nothing in place for them when the torries in power leaving them to rot.

Since Council tax was introduced by the "torries" (no surprise there!) it has gone up year by year. It hits pensioners and the poorest in our community the hardest, not to mention an increasing no. of middle income families.

Well i tell you something too! my family is also a hard working familly. Not a single soul in our family have been on benefits. (Even when my brother was made redundant by BT for 3 months he could bring himself to sign on because he felt it wasn't right in doing so) how crazy you might find this, it's a true story.

In my area, the general feeling about Labour is all good, however, having said that, there's areas like CT, income support where people feel that this isn't helping them.

These people, even having said that they are not happy with some of the issues with the current party in power (labour of course) they say they couldn't bring themselves to vote for the torries because they thought they weren't serious and straightforward enough when it comes to what they will do if they ever make it back into power. Many, believe that they (torries) are not being honest with the bills they plan to put into action if they came into power.


I don't follow my parent's my opinions - They don't follow politics i'm
afraid. :(

With you, you seem to turn a blind eye on things thatcher went wrong with when she was in power. What do you think the main reason is that the torries haven't won any of the last 2 elections? Because i would like to know.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The Poll Tax was the right thing do to, whether or not the Council Tax system is right I do not know, however why have Labour not rolled this tax back then or lowered this tax? - under Labour tax has risen far higher than any Conservative government ever had taxes at.

12 years to 'unroll the damage those nasty tories did' - why haven't Labour rolled them back?

[BoomItsClowgon]

I'll edit later..

[Ardemax]

don't even know the guy, he better be good

[Bun]

bad choice, belguim has it's enough of it's own problems.

[GommeInc]

I smell World War III :eusa_danc

My opinion on the matter is, wait until a war breaks out and the whole EU crumbles. Public execution of most of the EU huffers sounds like a jolly good idea. If not, it can't be too bad. Provided they quit their stupid rule ideas. Even if most of their "plans" are ideas, they're pretty crap.

[alexxxxx]

I smell World War III :eusa_danc

My opinion on the matter is, wait until a war breaks out and the whole EU crumbles. Public execution of most of the EU huffers sounds like a jolly good idea. If not, it can't be too bad. Provided they quit their stupid rule ideas. Even if most of their "plans" are ideas, they're pretty crap.
If a war came, the EU would be more likely to strengthen rather than weaken. The only war i could ever see happening would be between the US and China who's rivalry gets out of hand. Russia would probably attempt to invade europe or something and the European countries binding together defending themselves from them.

I can't imagine the UK following the USA into any war soon...

[GommeInc]

If a war came, the EU would be more likely to strengthen rather than weaken. The only war i could ever see happening would be between the US and China who's rivalry gets out of hand. Russia would probably attempt to invade europe or something and the European countries binding together defending themselves from them.

I can't imagine the UK following the USA into any war soon...
I was suggesting an EU type civil war :P Where loads of countries just turn on Germany/Belgian (France would just surrender immediately, no point getting themselves involved :P). If anything, the EU would cause a war with other nations if they were attempting bullying tactics.

And yeah, the UK won't follow the USA into a war again for a long time. Afghanistan is the main war target at the moment, but if North Korea does decide to go crazy it would be between the US and them, considering all you ever hear about North Korea is the way they keep coming up with plans to launch missles to the US :/

[-:Undertaker:-]

If a war came, the EU would be more likely to strengthen rather than weaken. The only war i could ever see happening would be between the US and China who's rivalry gets out of hand. Russia would probably attempt to invade europe or something and the European countries binding together defending themselves from them.

I can't imagine the UK following the USA into any war soon...

There were never be another conventional war between major European powers, and if anything did occur in Europe it would be NATO who get involved, not the Fourth Reich European Union.

[BoomItsClowgon]

The Poll Tax was the right thing do to, whether or not the Council Tax system is right I do not know, however why have Labour not rolled this tax back then or lowered this tax? - under Labour tax has risen far higher than any Conservative government ever had taxes at.

12 years to 'unroll the damage those nasty tories did' - why haven't Labour rolled them back?

The Council Tax system is a complete joke.. it goes up every year so go knows how much it'll be in 5 or 10 years time. I think people pay more or less depending on their circumstances so yeah.

I don't understand why Labour have not rolled back CT, i think that's a question where people are scratching their heads on. If you look at it though, can they do so? This Country is in huge amounts of debt, is it Trillions and Trillions we owe? :P The Council tax, NI and other such things that people have to pay, if they were cuts put on them then the Gov would find it self in a much bigger burden, leaving the debts to spiral even more out of control.

I think if the torries were in control, they would probably do the same aswell.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The Council Tax system is a complete joke.. it goes up every year so go knows how much it'll be in 5 or 10 years time. I think people pay more or less depending on their circumstances so yeah.

I don't understand why Labour have not rolled back CT, i think that's a question where people are scratching their heads on. If you look at it though, can they do so? This Country is in huge amounts of debt, is it Trillions and Trillions we owe? :P The Council tax, NI and other such things that people have to pay, if they were cuts put on them then the Gov would find it self in a much bigger burden, leaving the debts to spiral even more out of control.

I think if the torries were in control, they would probably do the same aswell.

Yes, and it was Labour who piled up this mountain of debt. Therefore common sense would say 'cut and have lower taxes for the people to spend' or 'raise and have more money for the state to waste' - Labour chose like usual, the second option. Thatcher chose the first option.

I am not defending the Conservatives now as I think they are Blue Labour, and i'll wait to pass judgement on Cameron but as it stands at the moment, he wouldn't be getting my vote. To blame the problems this government has created on a Prime Minister who was in office two decades ago is wrong, especially considering how she brought this country from the cesspit it was to one of the financial capitals of the world.

[Fez]

Wake up and smell the coffee instead of following your parents opinions like a zombie,

Hey that rhymes.

My opinion: If a party like UKIP or the BNP get into power in the next five years, I can see us doomed to act under the supreme overlord of the European union.

I look forward to another depression, thanks to the euro.