Warez, serials & cracks

[The Professor]

After some recent confusion over whether the post (links to) 'warez', serials, cracks and other such illegal content that finds its way onto the internet, we have decided to clarify the matter.

So to make perfectly clear - it is not allowed to post (links to) illegal downloads, including cracks, serials and warez on the Forum. Any such posts will be dealt with in the usual manner (usernote > warning > infraction). However, discussion of serials etc is not forbidden and can be freely and openly discussed providing, of course, that no links or serials are provided.

Thanks!

The Forum Management Team

How, where and why did this change come about? For the past 5 years or so the policy has always been "we'll turn a blind eye to it, if you get a virus on your head be it" and that's always been nvr's view too AFAIK.

[Misawa]

Since this activity is ILLEGAL, it makes perfect sense that this be against the rules as it's against the law. I raised this issue the other day. Without such acitivites banned, the forum is outright hypocritical and contradictory. It's welcome for this place to abide by the law.

[Sammeth.]

How, where and why did this change come about? For the past 5 years or so the policy has always been "we'll turn a blind eye to it, if you get a virus on your head be it" and that's always been nvr's view too AFAIK.

Yeah it was a shock to me too, didn't even realise people were confused about it. It's (as far as I know) been nvrs policy, and its been just fine so far.

[Nixt]

Up until this point we have indeed turned a blind eye to such activities. It was never expressly against the rules however as Misawa pointed out for the most part, it is illegal and we would much prefer not to have the hosting suspended for breaking the law. It was discussed with with the acting General Manager before we decided to do it and it was decided it was in Habbox's interests to stop it happening. Besides, there are many other sources of such things all over the internet - all of them a lot better than Habbox.

[kk.]

so what if we provide a link to a site that has these links on, such as linking to a thread on warez-bb? and what if people dont know where to look. also, what if someone says where can i get this, then asks someone to PM them, is that against the rules. These things need to be cleared up

[Nixt]

Links to threads containg warez etc is against the rules as well.

(edited due to my mistake)

[kk.]

surely then you may as well post the links direct to the download. Youre responsible for the content that is on this site and so therefore posting a link to a place where you can just click another link and start downloading is just as bad as posting the link directly. Stupid rule tbh. nothing has come up before about the legality and im sure you havnt been fined so why the sudden decision. if anything came up you can just say youll start to enforce a new rule.

Revert, i say.

[The Professor]

Linking to sites that provide warez etc (such as Warez BB) is fine, as that is an external link and we are not responsible for it's content. Asking for links would be encouraging others to break rules and is therefore forbidden. But if someone posted something like:

"I watched ______ last night, downloaded it from Warez BB *LINK TO THREAD*" it would be okay, however if they posted

"I wathced ______ last night, downloaded it *LINK TO RAR FILE*" it would violate the rules.

What's the difference? Its exactly the same means to exactly the same end except the user has to go through the trouble of copying and pasting the link from the first post of the thread on warez-bb. Its as close as matters to exactly how it was before, to me this just screams half baked attempt at trying to look like we care about legality. That wasn't even my original point but now it's been brought up I feel it should be addressed pretty sharpish because it's just made everything more confusing than before you clarified it!

[Nixt]

I apologise for the confusion, it was my mistake too. It is fine to discuss cracks etc but it is against the rules to post links to threads on things such as warez bb.

You can say find a torrent on it. Or look on rapidshare - that's fine. My mistake, and again I apologise.

[kk.]

Stupid rule tbh. nothing has come up before about the legality and im sure you havnt been fined so why the sudden decision. if anything came up you can just say youll start to enforce a new rule.
^ ^ ^

[Seatherny]

Linking to warez-bb is NOT the same as linking to the .rar file. Anyone who argues against it has no idea what they are on about.
I have owned rapidlinks.co.uk before and I speak from experience.
Linking to .rar file is ILLEGAL in UK and should not be done. Doing so can lead to prosecution. If Habbox was hosted in Hong Kong, it would be fine.
Linking to warez-bb is NOT illegal as you are linking to a site, not providing the illegal material directly.

Argue against it if you wish but you would be wrong as none of you have experience in this field.

[FlyingJesus]

Disregard this, just found out Garion was a dirty dirty liar all along

[xxMATTGxx]

I believe there has been a problem with one company regarding something. Most of the time they forget your even a website and will go straight to where anyone is hosted. (The servers etc) So it is better safe then sorry.

[The Professor]

I apologise for the confusion, it was my mistake too. It is fine to discuss cracks etc but it is against the rules to post links to threads on things such as warez bb.

You can say find a torrent on it. Or look on rapidshare - that's fine. My mistake, and again I apologise.

Fair enough no worries, however I feel obliged to point out it isn't actually in the rules :P Unless it's well hidden, I did a search for "warez", "cracks" and "illegal" and none returned anything related to this announcement. If you're going to stick by it the rules kinda need to agree!


Up until this point we have indeed turned a blind eye to such activities. It was never expressly against the rules however as Misawa pointed out for the most part, it is illegal and we would much prefer not to have the hosting suspended for breaking the law. It was discussed with with the acting General Manager before we decided to do it and it was decided it was in Habbox's interests to stop it happening. Besides, there are many other sources of such things all over the internet - all of them a lot better than Habbox.

That last line doesn't hold any water at all, its actually far safer for someone to follow a link from someone on this forum who at least claims its safe rather than taking a punt with google and trying to find it themselves and getting a nice virus. Telling people to look elsewhere as opposed to getting it from a relatively safe source that they're used to getting it from seems very counter productive.

As for legality, when it this suddenly become an issue? Even Sulake never complained about that and they're petty enough to stop us selling VIP. Sounds a bit like "do it while the cat's away" to me.

[Nixt]

Disregard this, just found out Garion was a dirty dirty liar all along

I am a dirty, dirty person.

Regarding the rule, I apologise there was some confusion over the matter. I take full responsibility that I didn't make it clear enough. However you should get the general idea from the announcement.

In reference to the post regarding the fact we haven't yet received a complaint, we are not willing to take that risk. Generally if someone decides to launch a complaint into the fact we are allowing posts / threads / links that violate the law that complaint we go straight to our service providers and we will be given no warning and we may see our hosting suspended or similar. The risk is probably minimal, but it is not a risk we are willing to take.

Piracy is a crime, and we will not allow illegal activity to take place on Habbox Forum.

[xxMATTGxx]

Fair enough no worries, however I feel obliged to point out it isn't actually in the rules :P Unless it's well hidden, I did a search for "warez", "cracks" and "illegal" and none returned anything related to this announcement. If you're going to stick by it the rules kinda need to agree!



That last line doesn't hold any water at all, its actually far safer for someone to follow a link from someone on this forum who at least claims its safe rather than taking a punt with google and trying to find it themselves and getting a nice virus. Telling people to look elsewhere as opposed to getting it from a relatively safe source that they're used to getting it from seems very counter productive.

As for legality, when it this suddenly become an issue? Even Sulake never complained about that and they're petty enough to stop us selling VIP. Sounds a bit like "do it while the cat's away" to me.

Most people would know about other sites such as Warez-BB and other websites like that. If not, I'm sure they will find them with great ease.

Sulake ~ Aren't they the ones who got the company/organisation or whatever you want to call it to demand stuff for the "Online Radios" a while back?

[Chippiewill]

Just as long as moderators don't assume that the following link is against the rules then I'm fine with it....

http://www.mininova.org/tor/3177478

[kk.]

to me that would be against the rules

[xxMATTGxx]

to me that would be against the rules

I can see what you mean. Although Ubuntu is free to anyone so its not illegal to be downloading that via that torrent.

[Misawa]

*REMOVED*

Edited by Garion (Assistant Forum Manager): Please use the report post button to notify Moderators of rule breaking.

[scottish]

5 years late if im being honest

[kk.]

I can see what you mean. Although Ubuntu is free to anyone so its not illegal to be downloading that via that torrent.

but we're only allowed to discuss the sites, and not to link to them, regardless if its free software.

[hah]

Since this activity is ILLEGAL, it makes perfect sense that this be against the rules as it's against the law. I raised this issue the other day. Without such acitivites banned, the forum is outright hypocritical and contradictory. It's welcome for this place to abide by the law.

this is all you fault for causing a big fuss when garion posted a link to watch a movie online!!!!!!!!!

[The Professor]

I still think this is unnecessary and half baked, if I can say "go to warez-bb and search xyz and click the first thread" but I can't directly link to it we've got a very similar situation to the one Garion mentioned earlier, but that's fine according to these new rules (which are, of course, still not actually in the rules :P).

[Misawa]

this is all you fault for causing a big fuss when garion posted a link to watch a movie online!!!!!!!!!

Probably. And I'm glad.

[adaym]

Linking is not illegal.
Hosting is illegal.

Simple.

[scottish]

Didn't TPB get shut down etc for posting links to other sites, not hosting.

[Seatherny]

Linking is not illegal.
Hosting is illegal.

Simple.

You couldn't be more wrong :)
Linking is allowing people to gain access to the illegal material, hence it is deemed illegal in the UK.
Like I said, I speak from experience on this matter.

[adaym]

You couldn't be more wrong :)
Linking is allowing people to gain access to the illegal material, hence it is deemed illegal in the UK.
Like I said, I speak from experience on this matter.
Is it the same in the US?

[Sammeth.]

I'm still gonna illegally download loads of films regardless. Probably even more than I did before now.

[xxMATTGxx]

I'm still gonna illegally download loads of films regardless. Probably even more than I did before now.

It was never going to stop people illegally downloading anyway and most of the links were on other forums and websites with this rule in or not in place.

[hah]

I'm still gonna illegally download loads of films regardless. Probably even more than I did before now.

I heard Inglourious *******s is a good film, PM for link

[Sammeth.]

I heard Inglourious *******s is a good film, PM for link
Nah I walked out of my dining room after like 15 minutes cus it was so awful.

[hah]

Nah I walked out of my dining room after like 15 minutes cus it was so awful.

Yeah when i watched it, it seemed as if a bunch of kids made it

[FlyingJesus]

brb downloading Jaws

[kk.]

name puts me off tbh

this rule needs to be lifted still!

[hah]

brb downloading Jaws

dont :ll probably the worse film ever made

[Misawa]

It's the law, cheap-skates. One day you may look back and regret your belligerent attitudes, which by the way do not bother me in the slighest. Quite pathetic to have a hissy fit over a desire to not conform to the law, but hey, it seems maturity is fading these days.

[kk.]

so, in your whole life, you have never, EVER, done anything illegal? and i doubt i will, at your attitude at least

[hah]

It's the law, cheap-skates. One day you may look back and regret your belligerent attitudes, which by the way do not bother me in the slighest. Quite pathetic to have a hissy fit over a desire to not conform to the law, but hey, it seems maturity is fading these days.

Conformist

[Arch]

^ if its free its better id say
also this rule doesnt affect me but i think if it isnt broken why fix it/if there hasnt been many problems why change it DUNNOOOOEEE

[scottish]

^ if its free its better id say
also this rule doesnt affect me but i think if it isnt broken why fix it/if there hasnt been many problems why change it DUNNOOOOEEE

Well done for the stupidest post of the year.


'Oh that ferrari is empty, i guess its free lets go nick it'

[FlyingJesus]

Can't much imagine me sitting in a rocking chair telling the grandchildren stories of my youth saying "ohhhh yes those were the days, but I sure wish I hadn't downloaded anything for free, ruined my life"

[Arch]

Well done for the stupidest post of the year.


'Oh that ferrari is empty, i guess its free lets go nick it'

If someone gave you a ferrari for free, or you had to pay for 1 which would you choose?

[scottish]

If its an illegal ferarri then i wouldn't accept it......

[Arch]

Okay fair enough, but thats your opinion/choice im guessing most would probably take it. Also i can almost guarantee you download music so whats the difference really?

[Sammeth.]

To be fair I don't think anyone would take a free ferrari, knowing it was stolen.

[Arch]

I never said it was stolen, i just said free. All i said was if its free its better.

anyways enough about ferraris lmaoo

[scottish]

To be fair I don't think anyone would take a free ferrari, knowing it was stolen.

Evidently some people are stupid enough ;)


Okay fair enough, but thats your opinion/choice im guessing most would probably take it. Also i can almost guarantee you download music so whats the difference really?

I don't download music, i buy the cd's, wow a whole £8, bankrupts me.

[FlyingJesus]

To be entirely fair to my situation a charge of £8 would bankrupt me right now

[Arch]

Evidently some people are stupid enough ;)



I don't download music, i buy the cd's, wow a whole £8, bankrupts me.

I dont rly believe that cuz im sure you've downloaded atleast 1 song, or someone sent you a song they downloaded. Anyways i really dont care because yeah your doing the right thing, but we dont live in a perfect world so someone will always be downloading something they shouldnt but it happens.

[Misawa]

It's more than acceptable for these forums to be run legitimately. If people want to illegally download, go ahead, I'm not stopping them, but they can go elsewhere and make no reference to here. Many places specialise in this, so there is no need for these forums to stoop to their level. Like I said, I'm not stopping anyone from doing what they want at places where its commonplace like The Pirate Bay or whatever, but there is no need for it here, yes?

[Black_Apalachi]

Okay fair enough, but thats your opinion/choice im guessing most would probably take it. Also i can almost guarantee you download music so whats the difference really?

No... I think you'll find most people wouldn't want to commit grand theft auto :S.

Even though I've got around 50GB of music and films, the majority of which were .. you know..(not all by me but whatever), I still believe it is right for Habbox for enforce this rule.

It's either a law-abiding community or it's not. If it's OK to share illegal downloads, why isn't it OK for me to sell my Habbo account for cash? That's something I really want to do, and it would be a lot easier if it could be done through the forum but it can't, so it's too risky to bother.

[adaym]

It's more than acceptable for these forums to be run legitimately. If people want to illegally download, go ahead, I'm not stopping them, but they can go elsewhere and make no reference to here. Many places specialise in this, so there is no need for these forums to stoop to their level. Like I said, I'm not stopping anyone from doing what they want at places where its commonplace like The Pirate Bay or whatever, but there is no need for it here, yes?
You were meant to be leaving after they merged TV and Film forums together anyway.

Edited by invincible (Forum Super Moderator): Please don't be rude.

[GommeInc]

Up until this point we have indeed turned a blind eye to such activities. It was never expressly against the rules however as Misawa pointed out for the most part, it is illegal and we would much prefer not to have the hosting suspended for breaking the law. It was discussed with with the acting General Manager before we decided to do it and it was decided it was in Habbox's interests to stop it happening. Besides, there are many other sources of such things all over the internet - all of them a lot better than Habbox.
So is paedophilia and murder, yet they're not against any sort of rules and obviously not talked about :rolleyes: Another pointless rule imo, what happened previously was perfectly acceptable. Nice to see pointless rule making is alive and well :D

Surely a rule that surrounds US/UK law should be created? At least this would cover the creation of yet more pointless rules such as murder, rape, paedophilia, organised crime and so forth. Seems better than chucking more things into the mix :rolleyes:

And the hosting would not be suspended, especially when talking of these activities would of been acted upon anyway (from what I've seen in the past at least) :/ Not forgetting people only really did it over the PM system with a "Want a Photoshop CS4 crack? PM me" question, something you cannot have explicit control over without destroying the very meaning behind what a Private message is. So technically, discussions of any sort are fine, provided you do it via PM :/ You can only really turn a blind eye to the action - removing links and people giving out hacks, codes and so forth is the only action you can undertake, but what goes beyond what you see e.g. the PM system. Besides, the "let them get viruses and laugh at them response" is usually the best option.

[Nixt]

So is paedophilia and murder, yet they're not against any sort of rules and obviously not talked about :rolleyes: Another pointless rule imo, what happened previously was perfectly acceptable. Nice to see pointless rule making is alive and well :D

Surely a rule that surround US/UK law should be created? At least this would cover the creation of yet more pointless rules such as murder, rape, paedophilia, organised crime and so forth. Seems better than chucking more things into the mix :rolleyes:

And the hosting would not be suspended, especially when talking of these activities would of been acted upon :/ Not forgetting people only really did it over the PM system, something you cannot have explicit control over without destroying the very meaning behind what a Private message is. So technically, discussions of any sort are fine, provided you do it via PM :/

Yes but anyone discussing paedophilia or murder (other than in our mass MSN conversations, of course) would instantly be banned and where necessary the police would be contacted. This isn't a regular occurrence, whereas issues surrounding illegal software downloads etc was becoming an issue.

Perhaps we could create a rule which forbids the breaking of English law, however this is common sense - we won't allow law breaking posts on the forum. I think most people are aware of this, or have at least a vague idea that this is probably the case. That is why an explicit rule hasn't been created in regard to Warez, rather we posted an announcement clarifying the issue just so people were fully aware.

You're right, we don't have control over the PM system. Unless someone chooses to report a PM or we have adequate reason to read the private messages you send and receive. However, this will only happen in exceptional circumstances. Although I would like to point out that if you say to someone "PM me the link" or similar, you are essentially encouraging others to break the rules.

[scottish]

So is paedophilia and murder, yet they're not against any sort of rules and obviously not talked about :rolleyes: Another pointless rule imo, what happened previously was perfectly acceptable. Nice to see pointless rule making is alive and well :D

Surely a rule that surrounds US/UK law should be created? At least this would cover the creation of yet more pointless rules such as murder, rape, paedophilia, organised crime and so forth. Seems better than chucking more things into the mix :rolleyes:

And the hosting would not be suspended, especially when talking of these activities would of been acted upon anyway (from what I've seen in the past at least) :/ Not forgetting people only really did it over the PM system with a "Want a Photoshop CS4 crack? PM me" question, something you cannot have explicit control over without destroying the very meaning behind what a Private message is. So technically, discussions of any sort are fine, provided you do it via PM :/ You can only really turn a blind eye to the action - removing links and people giving out hacks, codes and so forth is the only action you can undertake, but what goes beyond what you see e.g. the PM system. Besides, the "let them get viruses and laugh at them response" is usually the best option.

So how many people come on habboxforum to organise a crime and carry it out? :rolleyes:

[Grig]

I believe there has been a problem with one company regarding something. Most of the time they forget your even a website and will go straight to where anyone is hosted. (The servers etc) So it is better safe then sorry.

Yes I believe it was spacial audio with their SAM broadcasters as people were giving out codes freely on the froum. I think this is most likely it, as a few weeks ago Jin removed all the codes and requested DJs not to post them.

[GommeInc]

So how many people come on habboxforum to organise a crime and carry it out? :rolleyes:
None, because it's kinda common sense not to :P Seriously speaking at least, people always go on about wanting people dead (not necessarily ones they know) and suggest stealing stuff. Besides, you can easily do it through the PM system if you wanted to, like if you want to share warez, cracks and serials :P The rule seems to be covering the obvious - don't post these on the forums, just do it through the PM system, which people have done for ages :/

I remember when I got SAM 2 for free from Habbox, they had the codes in the staff forum when I was thinking about becoming a DJ - they even told you to use it :P Never really understood whether or not they were allowed to give it out for free :S

[scottish]

None, because it's kinda common sense not to :P Seriously speaking at least, people always go on about wanting people dead (not necessarily ones they know) and suggest stealing stuff. Besides, you can easily do it through the PM system if you wanted to, like if you want to share warez, cracks and serials :P The rule seems to be covering the obvious - don't post these on the forums, just do it through the PM system, which people have done for ages :/

I remember when I got SAM 2 for free from Habbox, they had the codes in the staff forum when I was thinking about becoming a DJ - they even told you to use it :P Never really understood whether or not they were allowed to give it out for free :S

And chances of a company seeing a private message is what?

People don't come on here and say "brb, im going to get my knife and murder ____________". Saying stuff like "oh i wish you were dead" or "i wish <celeb name here> would just die already" is hardly against the law as its not exactly a threat or anything.

'Suggest people stealing stuff' that would be why this rule is put into place to cut down on this.

If its done though PM then companies aren't going to see it so wouldn't have any problem about it..

HxL im sure has been reported several time for using the codes, but obviousy hxl is a very little site so i doubt their that bothered.

[Black_Apalachi]

This argument has just gone stupid now. Why can't people accept the fact that it is against the law so therefore it is not allowed? :S

[hah]

im gonna murder you all

Edited by invincible (Forum Super Moderator): Please don't post pointlessly

[GommeInc]

And chances of a company seeing a private message is what?

People don't come on here and say "brb, im going to get my knife and murder ____________". Saying stuff like "oh i wish you were dead" or "i wish <celeb name here> would just die already" is hardly against the law as its not exactly a threat or anything.

'Suggest people stealing stuff' that would be why this rule is put into place to cut down on this.

If its done though PM then companies aren't going to see it so wouldn't have any problem about it..

HxL im sure has been reported several time for using the codes, but obviousy hxl is a very little site so i doubt their that bothered.
Well done on grasping my point :P It's always been the case with wares on this site - just do it via PM, because neither the companies involved nor Habbox have control over the system, and if you get a virus or in trouble, it is clearly your fault as it is done in private. :P The rule isn't new, people have always said "PM me for serial" in the Tech forums, it's rare to see people actually post direct links, serials and so forth.

[xxMATTGxx]

Yes I believe it was spacial audio with their SAM broadcasters as people were giving out codes freely on the froum. I think this is most likely it, as a few weeks ago Jin removed all the codes and requested DJs not to post them.

That is the one I was thinking of. :P

[hah]

are they still not posted in the DJ forums where normal people cant see? because i saw them when matt made a mistake and let everyone view staff forums

[scottish]

as a few weeks ago Jin removed all the codes and requested DJs not to post them.

Also habbox does have control over the PM system. :P

[xxMATTGxx]

are they still not posted in the DJ forums where normal people cant see? because i saw them when matt made a mistake and let everyone view staff forums

I don't think they were getting removed back then.

[The Professor]

Yes but anyone discussing paedophilia or murder (other than in our mass MSN conversations, of course) would instantly be banned and where necessary the police would be contacted. This isn't a regular occurrence, whereas issues surrounding illegal software downloads etc was becoming an issue.

Perhaps we could create a rule which forbids the breaking of English law, however this is common sense - we won't allow law breaking posts on the forum. I think most people are aware of this, or have at least a vague idea that this is probably the case. That is why an explicit rule hasn't been created in regard to Warez, rather we posted an announcement clarifying the issue just so people were fully aware.

You're right, we don't have control over the PM system. Unless someone chooses to report a PM or we have adequate reason to read the private messages you send and receive. However, this will only happen in exceptional circumstances. Although I would like to point out that if you say to someone "PM me the link" or similar, you are essentially encouraging others to break the rules.

I take issue with 2 parts of that post. Firstly there is a stuck thread in the teens section called "what drugs have you taken?" which has people constantly talk about how they're going out and doing drug xyz, which is illegal, and yet that thread is still open and moreoever SUPPORTED by habbox due to its stuck status. I can't see how you can keep a straight face and defend that and still disallow linking to pirated stuff!

Secondly, when was it becoming a problem? I saw a thread last week asking for a photoshop serial and before that I hadn't seen for one for like a month. Unless there was a barrage of threads that I missed somehow (please tell me if there was!) I wouldn't call that a sufficient quantity to call it a problem! Unless this is true:


Yes I believe it was spacial audio with their SAM broadcasters as people were giving out codes freely on the froum. I think this is most likely it, as a few weeks ago Jin removed all the codes and requested DJs not to post them.

If it was this, considering the same codes have been there for years, they were bound to twig on eventually when it was being used by hundreds of people! It really isn't a cause for this seemingly knee-jerk reaction. If it wasn't that, disregard that last paragraph (A)

[Black_Apalachi]

I take issue with 2 parts of that post. Firstly there is a stuck thread in the teens section called "what drugs have you taken?" which has people constantly talk about how they're going out and doing drug xyz, which is illegal, and yet that thread is still open and moreoever SUPPORTED by habbox due to its stuck status. I can't see how you can keep a straight face and defend that and still disallow linking to pirated stuff! ...

Do you see anyone posting the phone numbers of their dealers? You're still allowed to discuss what you've downloaded, the same way drug use is discussed, which isn't illegal incidentally.

[Seatherny]

Is it the same in the US?

Yes it is.

[Xoim]

It's against the fansite way aswell :D

[Arch]

No... I think you'll find most people wouldn't want to commit grand theft auto :S.

Even though I've got around 50GB of music and films, the majority of which were .. you know..(not all by me but whatever), I still believe it is right for Habbox for enforce this rule.

It's either a law-abiding community or it's not. If it's OK to share illegal downloads, why isn't it OK for me to sell my Habbo account for cash? That's something I really want to do, and it would be a lot easier if it could be done through the forum but it can't, so it's too risky to bother.

i never said steal a car, i said get 1 for free.

Also it doesnt rly matter im sure if you want something and post saying send me a pm if you have etc... someone will PM you.

[Jin]

Christ all mighty it really does amaze me the lengths that people go to argue the worlds most pointless argument, where the hell did the thread go off in a tangent from "warez are not allowed" to the ethical, moral and legal implications of murder and child pornography and how many albums scottish can afford with his pocket money.

Worlds worst persuasive argument technique. I honestly think I would have to walk away from a person who decided to argue like that with me irl just out of repulsion.


ANYWAY TO BULLDOZE THIS THREAD BACK ON TOPIC.








Why?

Because I am sick of the DMCA, CI or C&D emails from various companies and what not about such and such thread. More importantly our datacenter aren't best pleased as they are the ones that get contacted first then they pass the message on to us.

HxF.com is not a small hidden forum it gets noticed very quickly, even if it is 3 months down the line, a complaint does come through when a company notices a particular thread.

Hxf.com never was, is, or will be a warez/serials forum, there are plenty of sites out there for that, this is not the place.

What is allowed and what isn't allowed?

Posting or linking to serials, warez, cracks on the forum or directly to the location on another site is not allowed.

Referring a member to another site in general is allowed.

To clarify.

Hi, I need a serial/crack for photoshop.

Hey you can use this serial 83jDim-33nde-3j3ne - Not allowed

Hey look at this www.serial.co.uk/photoshop-serial.html (http://www.serial.co.uk/photoshop-serial.html) - Not allowed

Download it from my site, www.mysite.com/photoshop.zip (http://www.mysite.com/photoshop.zip) - Not allowed

Why don't you go search for "photoshop crack" on isohunt/piratebay/rapidshare/surfthechannel/google/limewire. - Allowed

myserials.net is a site i use, try over there. - Allowed

We wont allow direct linking to warez and serials as that counts as indexing copyright content which is still an offence however suggesting a site does not count.

If you link to a site because, oh I dunno it has a lolcat on it and you want to share it with the humour forum and it happens to advertise or have a link to a warez site then obviously we wont take any action against you.

This quite simply is to wash our hands clean of any accountability or liability so I dont have to go shopping for a new datacenter once our current one gets sick and tired of the emails.

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