Am I to blame for this? (Racism)

[Mint]

Firstly I want to make sure this thread stays clean from any racism. I think I get the perm ban for anything I do wrong now and I have been given a final warning about a racist attitude. I don't want this thread to end up being closed for this post containing racism so I will keep it as clean as possible and I apologise if anything still manages to offend you.

Right, I get called racist on here a lot, I have many, many, many infractions and warnings for posting racist things too. I just want to know if you think it is my fault.

I live in Manchester, there are many parts of Manchester that Indians/Pakistanis have what you could call taken over. They like to all live next to each over and this can stretch to taking over massive areas. In a nice, non offensive way you could say that driving through these areas feels a bit like driving through a different country, India or Pakistan for example. For many patriotic English people this can be quite heart breaking, seeing your country being slowly taken over, bit by bit. Some people may not have a problem with this but my journey to school involves getting on the bus up and down the main road. For several years I have been getting the same bus down the same road and there has always been a muslim school in between my house and school so obviously a lot of them get on/off the bus there. So morning and afternoon on my way to and from school has always involved getting on a bus that is often full of Indians/Pakistanis and this could be the case of were a few spoil it for them all. These troublesome, manor-less, cheeky school children have convinced me that all the people of their race are like them to put it bluntly. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, I just don't know. I get the bus alone and have been involved in 2 fights on the bus after them starting on me for no reason whatsoever while I have been sat there minding my own business. Then my parents, they are also a reason that I may appear to be so racist. They have had many bad moments with Indians/Pakistanis in their time and have told me that it's up to me to decide whether or not I like them but have also told me many stories and statistics about them. Then I have had other problems with them. There are 3 Pakistanis in my year, one of them sits next to me in ICT and has shown me pictures of his friends on facebook holding massive, real guns. The way he talks (as do a lot of them) "yeh gee innit man" kind of thing gets on my nerves too (again I don't intend to offend anyone). He once said that all the greatest boxers and singers are muslim which was out of the blue because at the time I think we were talking about football... It was also as if he was trying to say that muslims are better than us etc. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that just like saying "all the best ____ are catholics"? You just wouldn't say something like that, especially in a place full of people who are not the same religion. I have had many encounters with Indians and Pakistanis and they have always been bad, it has turned me into someone that dislikes Indians and Pakistanis which is not fair. I know some very nice ones and even they agree that a few spoil it for the rest. This has all lead me to automatically dislike any of them which is indeed stupid and unfair towards them.

I apologize again if any of this may sound offensive but I have done my best to write this in a way that isn't offensive.

So is this really my fault? There are many other people like me and It annoys me when people say that they hate me because I am racist when I personally don't think it's my fault. Also, is racist really the right word? Racist means to call someone because of the colour of their skin and I am talking about their Nationality. I have never called an Indian/Pakistani because of their skin and wouldn't see the point in doing so, it's just skin.

[GommeInc]

Not at all, if people wind you up then you aren't to blame for it, the person causing the irritation is to blame. It's only racist if you assume everyone of a particular race or belief are the same and therefore deserve the same treatment. Like you said, you know a few people who are muslim and are nice, and they too are annoyed with these other people. It's not really a take over bid, it's just that they've got comfortable and are promoting their lifestyle over others, it happens in most places.

[Caution]

It's not your fault, you're not being racist. This country is far too PC.

[CJW93]

I feel exactly the same way as you, this invasion of these "Asian bad boys" who think they are bad is pissing me off.

[alexxxxx]

Firstly I want to make sure this thread stays clean from any racism. I think I get the perm ban for anything I do wrong now and I have been given a final warning about a racist attitude. I don't want this thread to end up being closed for this post containing racism so I will keep it as clean as possible and I apologise if anything still manages to offend you.

Right, I get called racist on here a lot, I have many, many, many infractions and warnings for posting racist things too. I just want to know if you think it is my fault.

I live in Manchester, there are many parts of Manchester that Indians/Pakistanis have what you could call taken over. They like to all live next to each over and this can stretch to taking over massive areas. In a nice, non offensive way you could say that driving through these areas feels a bit like driving through a different country, India or Pakistan for example. For many patriotic English people this can be quite heart breaking, seeing your country being slowly taken over, bit by bit. Some people may not have a problem with this but my journey to school involves getting on the bus up and down the main road. For several years I have been getting the same bus down the same road and there has always been a muslim school in between my house and school so obviously a lot of them get on/off the bus there. So morning and afternoon on my way to and from school has always involved getting on a bus that is often full of Indians/Pakistanis and this could be the case of were a few spoil it for them all. These troublesome, manor-less, cheeky school children have convinced me that all the people of their race are like them to put it bluntly. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, I just don't know. I get the bus alone and have been involved in 2 fights on the bus after them starting on me for no reason whatsoever while I have been sat there minding my own business. Then my parents, they are also a reason that I may appear to be so racist. They have had many bad moments with Indians/Pakistanis in their time and have told me that it's up to me to decide whether or not I like them but have also told me many stories and statistics about them. Then I have had other problems with them. There are 3 Pakistanis in my year, one of them sits next to me in ICT and has shown me pictures of his friends on facebook holding massive, real guns. The way he talks (as do a lot of them) "yeh gee innit man" kind of thing gets on my nerves too (again I don't intend to offend anyone). He once said that all the greatest boxers and singers are muslim which was out of the blue because at the time I think we were talking about football... It was also as if he was trying to say that muslims are better than us etc. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that just like saying "all the best ____ are catholics"? You just wouldn't say something like that, especially in a place full of people who are not the same religion. I have had many encounters with Indians and Pakistanis and they have always been bad, it has turned me into someone that dislikes Indians and Pakistanis which is not fair. I know some very nice ones and even they agree that a few spoil it for the rest. This has all lead me to automatically dislike any of them which is indeed stupid and unfair towards them.

I apologize again if any of this may sound offensive but I have done my best to write this in a way that isn't offensive.

So is this really my fault? There are many other people like me and It annoys me when people say that they hate me because I am racist when I personally don't think it's my fault. Also, is racist really the right word? Racist means to call someone because of the colour of their skin and I am talking about their Nationality. I have never called an Indian/Pakistani because of their skin and wouldn't see the point in doing so, it's just skin.
Discriminating on the basis of nationality and race are equally as bad.

What you posted was incredibly offensive, using words like 'infested' and 'breed' means you liken these people to animals. I personally think that your 'bad' experiences with people of this race has clouded your vision of the great number of people who are from pakistani or indian origin, who are good people. I don't think it's forgivable or understandable that you've used these words.

[Caution]

You just said "your people" to Saurav in another thread, that's racist.

[Seatherny]

So you are saying you have never met any nice Indian/Pakistani?
I live in Manchester too, and I think you are just making thigs look worse than what they really are.
The only place which is full of Pakistanis (btw, Manchester doesnt have many Indians at all, its Birmingam) is Rusholme (and maybe Longsight). Rusholme isn't even that big. You go to Salford, its all white. Didsbury, mainly whites. Withington, mainly whites. Cheadle, mainly whitres. Stockport, mainly whites.

I went to Moss Side last week, and I actually counted how many white people and black people I saw. I saw 7 blacks/asians and 7 whites. Also, I go to university and my bus (111) goes past Moss Side everyday, and I see just as many white people as black/asians everyday.

I live in Withington. I have had white people calling me a **** (funny because I am an Indian .. ignorant idiots) and shouting racist stuff at me and a friend of mine who is black. I was cycling home from college last year and a white man spat at me, actually spat on my face. Did I do anything? No. I was cycling on the road and stopped at a red light and he spat on my face and shouted racist abuse at me. I obviously told him where to go :) You don't realise how insulting it is to be spat on.
I was on the bus this afternoon and 2 white woman got on at Moss Side, both chav looking and they were both on the phone. They were swearing non stop on the phone and talking so loud its unbelieveable. I see many white kids get on the bus everyday and they act like animals.

At school when I was in year 8, a year 11 white girl used to shout racist abuse at me (and then got kicked out of school). Another boy at school shouted racial abuse at me etc ... but then I ended up beating the crap out of him and he never dared look at me again.

But you dont see me hating every white person? I judge people individually. Believe me when I say this, I have probably had more racial attacks on me than you have had but I still don't hate white people. I like them and judge every people individually, and not think ALL WHITE PEOPLE MUST BE IDIOTS BECAUSE I SAW A FEW IDIOTS.

You used the terms "infested" and "breed" when referring to Indians, Pakistanis, Blacks etc. I find that racist, so overall, yes I do think you are racist. Why? Because you see a few idiot asians, and you automatically think we are all the same. Yes there are many idiot asians here, do you think other asians like it? No. I hate them too, but there are white people who are idiots too. Everyone is different, and its not affected by your skin colour.

I dont think people realise how difficult it is sometimes to be brown in UK (even in a highly multi-cultural society like Manchester).

[alexxxxx]

blame culture tbh. you ultimately have noone to blame but yourself.

[Mint]

So you are saying you have never met any nice Indian/Pakistani?
I live in Manchester too, and I think you are just making thigs look worse than what they really are.
The only place which is full of Pakistanis (btw, Manchester doesnt have many Indians at all, its Birmingam) is Rusholme (and maybe Longsight). Rusholme isn't even that big. You go to Salford, its all white. Didsbury, mainly whites. Withington, mainly whites. Cheadle, mainly whitres. Stockport, mainly whites.

I went to Moss Side last week, and I actually counted how many white people and black people I saw. I saw 7 blacks/asians and 7 whites. Also, I go to university and my bus (111) goes past Moss Side everyday, and I see just as many white people as black/asians everyday.

I live in Withington. I have had white people calling me a **** (funny because I am an Indian .. ignorant idiots) and shouting racist stuff at me and a friend of mine who is black. I was cycling home from college last year and a white man spat at me, actually spat on my face. Did I do anything? No. I was cycling on the road and stopped at a red light and he spat on my face and shouted racist abuse at me. I obviously told him where to go :) You don't realise how insulting it is to be spat on.
I was on the bus this afternoon and 2 white woman got on at Moss Side, both chav looking and they were both on the phone. They were swearing non stop on the phone and talking so loud its unbelieveable. I see many white kids get on the bus everyday and they act like animals.

At school when I was in year 8, a year 11 white girl used to shout racist abuse at me (and then got kicked out of school). Another boy at school shouted racial abuse at me etc ... but then I ended up beating the crap out of him and he never dared look at me again.

But you dont see me hating every white person? I judge people individually. Believe me when I say this, I have probably had more racial attacks on me than you have had but I still don't hate white people. I like them and judge every people individually, and not think ALL WHITE PEOPLE MUST BE IDIOTS BECAUSE I SAW A FEW IDIOTS.

You used the terms "infested" and "breed" when referring to Indians, Pakistanis, Blacks etc. I find that racist, so overall, yes I do think you are racist. Why? Because you see a few idiot asians, and you automatically think we are all the same. Yes there are many idiot asians here, do you think other asians like it? No. I hate them too, but there are white people who are idiots too. Everyone is different, and its not affected by your skin colour.

About you getting racial abuse, your a Pakistani living in Manchester. It is bound to happen, pretty much everyone I know doesn't like them for the same reasons as me. No wonder they like to live together, they are probably all sick of getting abuse. But when it comes to idiots spoiling it for the others you are right. There are loads of white scroat bags, vice versa with Indians/Pakistanis but the white ones will always be able to say that it's their country whether they are right or not. Thinking about it, there are quite a few of Indians/Pakistanis that I like, it all depends on their attitude. Like when they say "man" a lot, refuse to speak our language, wear scary headgear or act suspicious on a bus/train which can lead you into thinking about terrorists. There are many problems, we are bound to have problems when mixing two extremely different types of people together but we will all just have to manage (unless the BNP come into power of course).

Again, sorry if anything may sound offensive. It is the truth and I try to keep it as clean as possible. Please just PM me moderators if you would like me to stop talking about racism, an infraction wouldn't achieve anything more. :P


You just said "your people" to Saurav in another thread, that's racist.

Thanks, I have edited that and removed it. I really am trying here. I do not want to get into any more trouble but want to speak my mind.

[Seatherny]

About you getting racial abuse, your a Pakistani living in Manchester. It is bound to happen, pretty much everyone I know doesn't like them for the same reasons as me. No wonder they like to live together, they are probably all sick of getting abuse. But when it comes to idiots spoiling it for the others you are right. There are loads of white scroat bags, vice versa with Indians/Pakistanis but the white ones will always be able to say that it's their country whether they are right or not. Thinking about it, there are quite a few of Indians/Pakistanis that I like, it all depends on their attitude. Like when they say "man" a lot, refuse to speak our language, wear scary headgear or act suspicious on a bus/train which can lead you into thinking about terrorists. There are many problems, we are bound to have problems when mixing two extremely different types of people together but we will all just have to manage (unless the BNP come into power of course).

Again, sorry if anything may sound offensive. It is the truth and I try to keep it as clean as possible. Please just PM me moderators if you would like me to stop talking about racism, an infraction wouldn't achieve anything more. :P

I am actually an Indian. Again, a wrong attitude of racist(ish) white people in Manchester and in the UK in general. They see a brown person and automatically presume we are Pakistanis.
And many white people here say man too? Many at my college did anyway. Actually, I don't know many white people who hate Asians/Blacks etc. My street has majority white people and they are so damn nice. Same at our other house, every white person is nice. Can I ask which area you live in?

[Nemo]

About you getting racial abuse, your a Pakistani living in Manchester. It is bound to happen, pretty much everyone I know doesn't like them for the same reasons as me. No wonder they like to live together, they are probably all sick of getting abuse.

Perhaps thats why they're idiots to you? Because they got so much abuse, they think like you do, and hate all white people, thus causing unreasoned abuse.


But when it comes to idiots spoiling it for the others you are right. There are loads of white scroat bags, vice versa with Indians/Pakistanis but the white ones will always be able to say that it's their country whether they are right or not.

Who cares whos country it is if you're acting like an *******, that should be no excuse.


Thinking about it, there are quite a few of Indians/Pakistanis that I like, it all depends on their attitude. Like when they say "man" a lot, refuse to speak our language,

ive never met a young asian who doesnt speak english.


wear scary headgear

I find that racist.


or act suspicious on a bus/train which can lead you into thinking about terrorists.

Thats your own mind succumbing to the stereotypical views that you have. They arent acting suspcious, they probaly have a beard and a turban and you assume they are terrorists.

[Hecktix]

I know a few people who live in Manchester... yet they don't share the same views as you.

You are taking your experiences with a minute amount of people from other races and generalising to every single person of that race!

When I walk to college there are some god damn annoying chavs, about 11 years old who try to push people out in the road, stand there smoking and swearing at anybody that walks past. All white.

I don't start hating white people because of that, yet you're disliking "Indians/Pakistanis" (as you say) because of a miniscule amount of them have caused trouble for you.

I bet in the duration of your life white people have caused you more trouble than people of other races.

[Jamesy]

I agree with above. You seem to be trying to justify your prejudice of asian people by blaming it on generic reasons that could have come from the worst examples of the Daily Mail.

I find myself looking at your posts with disdain at the horrific way you generalise cultures into one and try to act as if you are on the moral high-ground. You are not, you're just trying to push the blame for you views onto other people when it's you who has this attitude. Free will 'n' all..

[Anamations]

Tbh its a very fine line between racistism and just disliking them. I personally think that what u wrote above is not offencive however i also dont agree its rite for you to steryotype ''Indians/pakistanis'' Its Like any colour skin say if you were pakistani and got on a bus full of white people and you had fights with them thats just because theres many types of those people in the area but all i can say is dont steryotype and be brainwashed and obv dont be racist which you are certianlly not being ;)

[Black_Apalachi]

If we all followed your line of thinking, we'd all hate Germans.

[[Chris]]

What annoys me - Theres ONE pakistani kid in our school, Who trys to dictate other peoples lives - he said - All you do over here is drink and get drunk, Its not like that over in pakistan - So, i put as simple as - GO BACK TO PAKISTAN THEN

I think.. that.. They ALL gain a title for themselves..

I mean, I apparently said something racist. which i didnt.. And i had 30-40 following me about shouting stuff at me and that.. when they wernt even involved.. So.. Yeah

I mean, i have pakistani friends.. So, not all are bad. Just.. They 'take after each other' in a sense..

And tbh, Im fed up of our country being taken over.

[Invent]

;6174266']And tbh, Im fed up of our country being taken over.

Not picking on you in particular but I hate it when people say this when in actual fact it's not. Or at least it doesn't effect the person saying it in any way if it were true (such as someone that goes to school).

[Tash.]

Firstly I want to make sure this thread stays clean from any racism. I think I get the perm ban for anything I do wrong now and I have been given a final warning about a racist attitude. I don't want this thread to end up being closed for this post containing racism so I will keep it as clean as possible and I apologise if anything still manages to offend you.

Right, I get called racist on here a lot, I have many, many, many infractions and warnings for posting racist things too. I just want to know if you think it is my fault.

I live in Manchester, there are many parts of Manchester that Indians/Pakistanis have what you could call taken over. They like to all live next to each over and this can stretch to taking over massive areas. In a nice, non offensive way you could say that driving through these areas feels a bit like driving through a different country, India or Pakistan for example. For many patriotic English people this can be quite heart breaking, seeing your country being slowly taken over, bit by bit. Some people may not have a problem with this but my journey to school involves getting on the bus up and down the main road. For several years I have been getting the same bus down the same road and there has always been a muslim school in between my house and school so obviously a lot of them get on/off the bus there. So morning and afternoon on my way to and from school has always involved getting on a bus that is often full of Indians/Pakistanis and this could be the case of were a few spoil it for them all. These troublesome, manor-less, cheeky school children have convinced me that all the people of their race are like them to put it bluntly. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, I just don't know. I get the bus alone and have been involved in 2 fights on the bus after them starting on me for no reason whatsoever while I have been sat there minding my own business. Then my parents, they are also a reason that I may appear to be so racist. They have had many bad moments with Indians/Pakistanis in their time and have told me that it's up to me to decide whether or not I like them but have also told me many stories and statistics about them. Then I have had other problems with them. There are 3 Pakistanis in my year, one of them sits next to me in ICT and has shown me pictures of his friends on facebook holding massive, real guns. The way he talks (as do a lot of them) "yeh gee innit man" kind of thing gets on my nerves too (again I don't intend to offend anyone). He once said that all the greatest boxers and singers are muslim which was out of the blue because at the time I think we were talking about football... It was also as if he was trying to say that muslims are better than us etc. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that just like saying "all the best ____ are catholics"? You just wouldn't say something like that, especially in a place full of people who are not the same religion. I have had many encounters with Indians and Pakistanis and they have always been bad, it has turned me into someone that dislikes Indians and Pakistanis which is not fair. I know some very nice ones and even they agree that a few spoil it for the rest. This has all lead me to automatically dislike any of them which is indeed stupid and unfair towards them.

I apologize again if any of this may sound offensive but I have done my best to write this in a way that isn't offensive.

So is this really my fault? There are many other people like me and It annoys me when people say that they hate me because I am racist when I personally don't think it's my fault. Also, is racist really the right word? Racist means to call someone because of the colour of their skin and I am talking about their Nationality. I have never called an Indian/Pakistani because of their skin and wouldn't see the point in doing so, it's just skin.

From what you've wrote here, I think you're just very impressionable. You've allowed certain incidents to colour your views on a whole race of people, millions of people who are not all the same. You've now seen what Saurav's experiences with racism have been and in comparison to yours they are disgusting. The thing with racism is you've got to realise it works both ways. You supposedly don't like the way they behave toward this country and towards you, but i'm pretty sure they don't enjoy your behaviour and attitudes. You're grouping together two nationalities repeatedly (indian/pakistani) who really have little in common apart from the border they share and their skin colour. If someone from these countries grouped you together with the french/germans/polish/any eastern european nationality you would be less than pleased and you would accuse them of racism yet you're claiming innocence and doing exactly that. I actually think you're not only racist you're a xenophobe especially with reference to the part in bold.


About you getting racial abuse, your a Pakistani living in Manchester. It is bound to happen, pretty much everyone I know doesn't like them for the same reasons as me. No wonder they like to live together, they are probably all sick of getting abuse. But when it comes to idiots spoiling it for the others you are right. There are loads of white scroat bags, vice versa with Indians/Pakistanis but the white ones will always be able to say that it's their country whether they are right or not. Thinking about it, there are quite a few of Indians/Pakistanis that I like, it all depends on their attitude. Like when they say "man" a lot, refuse to speak our language, wear scary headgear or act suspicious on a bus/train which can lead you into thinking about terrorists. There are many problems, we are bound to have problems when mixing two extremely different types of people together but we will all just have to manage (unless the BNP come into power of course).


Again, you're concentrating on very mainstream prejudices here. You are actually scared of seeing anyone on a train/bus who is of asian appearance by the sounds of it, so basically however they behave you will deduce that something they are doing is suspicious. And the part at the end about the BNP I think sums it up. The BNP claim to be a non-racist party, yet their followers appear to be under the assumption that they are willing to get rid of all people different to us 'british'.. curious that is.


;6174266']What annoys me - Theres ONE pakistani kid in our school, Who trys to dictate other peoples lives - he said - All you do over here is drink and get drunk, Its not like that over in pakistan - So, i put as simple as - GO BACK TO PAKISTAN THEN

I think.. that.. They ALL gain a title for themselves..

I mean, I apparently said something racist. which i didnt.. And i had 30-40 following me about shouting stuff at me and that.. when they wernt even involved.. So.. Yeah

I mean, i have pakistani friends.. So, not all are bad. Just.. They 'take after each other' in a sense..

And tbh, Im fed up of our country being taken over.

@the part in bold - the thing is, he's right. People such as you and mint witter on about how they are taking over our great country, overruling our wonderful values when infact our country has gone to the dogs. All certain youths do seem to do is get drunk for fun, so i'm not surprised if I can see this that he can. Simply saying "If you don't like it go back to your own country" isn't going to fix anything. If all non-white, non-british people were removed from this country the problems would remain the same. Impoverished young white people will still continue to get pregnant, take drugs and get drunk whilst not contributing to society and taking benefits. I think it's just time people such as you see that the problems are not all to do with immigrants.

@the red bit no it hasn't been taken over. Thats just something you've taken from the media who sensationalise things like this and make them sound so much worse than they actually are (aka the Daily Mail). Our laws are the same as they were when immigration was not so popular, our values have developed in the same way. Please try to think about what you're saying before you say it.

[Seatherny]

;6174266']And tbh, Im fed up of our country being taken over.

I am sure Iraq and Afghanistan feel the same way.


Again, you're concentrating on very mainstream prejudices here. You are actually scared of seeing anyone on a train/bus who is of asian appearance by the sounds of it, so basically however they behave you will deduce that something they are doing is suspicious.

You are white, so you must be a Nazi or a German.

[Hitman]

I am sure Iraq and Afghanistan feel the same way.



You are white, so you must be a Nazi or a German.
I've not got a lot to say about the topic overall, I said my opinions in another topic. But the part in bold is totally different. The UK & US troops are there helping their country... pushing back the Taliban and helping to secure their countries. OK, I imagine many of them do not want us there but many will. Another thing is, the troops will one day leave their country.

[Seatherny]

Most people in Iraq didnt want the UK there. Atleast before they werent scared of being shot everytime they left their house.
Anyway lets not change the topic to War.

[[Chris]]

Well, That was my opinion. I personally feel that immigration has gone too far..

No other country allows immigration on this scale..

I mean, Everybody has a right to their own opinion? I just really think that its all gone too far :/

Well, I dont really mean.. TAKEN OVER. but i think it was 200,000 BRITISH people LEAVING BECAUSE OFF IMMIGRATION. Now, Thats not good is it.

[Mint]

(btw, Manchester doesnt have many Indians at all, its Birmingam) is Rusholme (and maybe Longsight).


I am actually an Indian. Again, a wrong attitude of racist(ish) white people in Manchester and in the UK in general.

Are you doing this to me on purpose? First you tell me that you live in Manchester and it doesn't really have any Indians (which makes me think that you are a Pakistani), then you start flaming me for assuming you are a Pakistani when it is your fault for making me think this in the first place.

When you put Indians and Pakistanis in comparision, I don't think we can really tell the difference from how they look, they speak very similar, they both have similar names such as Mohammed, Abdul, Sanjai, Raj, Kahn etc They both all seem to be Muslims (I think) and probably many other similarities. While it is true that we wouldn't like it if we got mistaken for other white nationalities it is irrelevant because that is not the case. If there were a lot of say Germans for example living in England mixing in with us British then it would be understandable for you to get us mixed up providing you couldn't tell our language apart (which you should because if you choose to live in our country you should learn our language).

I have a good Pakistani friend who extremely dislikes Amir Kahn (the boxer) and he says that Amir Kahn is doing a bad job at representing all the Pakistanis out there (which also leads on to Indians because a lot can't tell the difference). I really do understand what he is saying, if I lived in another country and I was a minority and there was a cocky English boxer It would make me feel ashamed. Saying this I really like Amir Kahn, he is a great boxer and his fights are good to watch. I just wish he had a better attitude.

[Seatherny]

Are you doing this to me on purpose? First you tell me that you live in Manchester and it doesn't really have any Indians (which makes me think that you are a Pakistani), then you start flaming me for assuming you are a Pakistani when it is your fault for making me think this in the first place.

When you put Indians and Pakistanis in comparision, I don't think we can really tell the difference from how they look, they speak very similar, they both have similar names such as Mohammed, Abdul, Sanjai, Raj, Kahn etc They both all seem to be Muslims (I think) and probably many other similarities. While it is true that we wouldn't like it if we got mistaken for other white nationalities it is irrelevant because that is not the case. If there were a lot of say Germans for example living in England mixing in with us British then it would be understandable for you to get us mixed up providing you couldn't tell our language apart (which you should because if you choose to live in our country you should learn our language).

I have a good Pakistani friend who extremely dislikes Amir Kahn (the boxer) and he says that Amir Kahn is doing a bad job at representing all the Pakistanis out there (which also leads on to Indians because a lot can't tell the difference). I really do understand what he is saying, if I lived in another country and I was a minority and there was a cocky English boxer It would make me feel ashamed. Saying this I really like Amir Kahn, he is a great boxer and his fights are good to watch. I just wish he had a better attitude.

I love you :) because your posts make me laugh so much. I said Manchester doesn't have many Indians as you kept saying "there are many parts of Manchester that Indians/Pakistanis have what you could call taken over." so I was simply correcting you.
And again, you generalise people, ever thought of asking "What country are you from?". Its not exactly hard.
Regarding the names, most of them are all Muslim names. Not all Indians/Pakistanis are Muslims you know, there's Hinduism and Sikhs here too.
People like you are ignorant as they refuse to ask people. You just generalise people.

[Nemo]

When you put Indians and Pakistanis in comparision, I don't think we can really tell the difference from how they look, they speak very similar, they both have similar names such as Mohammed, Abdul, Sanjai, Raj, Kahn etc They both all seem to be Muslims (I think)
That is another 1 of your generalisations that you have. You seem to do that a lot. And afaik, Indians are generally Hindu, and Pakistanis generally Muslim.

[[Chris]]

Tbh, Mint. I think you do need to learn the differences before you can complain.

I know indian people And they are ok. Yeah, some indian people night NOT be ok. But isnt that the same everywhere?

" @the part in bold - the thing is, he's right. People such as you and mint witter on about how they are taking over our great country, overruling our wonderful values when infact our country has gone to the dogs. All certain youths do seem to do is get drunk for fun, so i'm not surprised if I can see this that he can. Simply saying "If you don't like it go back to your own country" isn't going to fix anything. If all non-white, non-british people were removed from this country the problems would remain the same. Impoverished young white people will still continue to get pregnant, take drugs and get drunk whilst not contributing to society and taking benefits. I think it's just time people such as you see that the problems are not all to do with immigrants. "

Yeah, i agree with that, The thing is - this ONE person was going on about 'White people drinking ect ect' - When ALL his Pakistani/bengali friends all go on ' ORr, were gonna go get pissed and all this tonight ' - Thats great isnt it..

Like i said - I have a few pakistani friends - Therefore i dont HATE THEM ALL?, I just dislike a few. Not ALL OF THEM. Im just saying my school - Thats what i have a problem with

[Seatherny]

For general information:

*Indian census has established that Hinduism accounts for 80.5% of the population of India.

* In Pakistan: Census data indicates that over 97% of the population are Muslims

[Tash.]

Are you doing this to me on purpose? First you tell me that you live in Manchester and it doesn't really have any Indians (which makes me think that you are a Pakistani), then you start flaming me for assuming you are a Pakistani when it is your fault for making me think this in the first place.

When you put Indians and Pakistanis in comparision, I don't think we can really tell the difference from how they look, they speak very similar, they both have similar names such as Mohammed, Abdul, Sanjai, Raj, Kahn etc They both all seem to be Muslims (I think) and probably many other similarities. While it is true that we wouldn't like it if we got mistaken for other white nationalities it is irrelevant because that is not the case. If there were a lot of say Germans for example living in England mixing in with us British then it would be understandable for you to get us mixed up providing you couldn't tell our language apart (which you should because if you choose to live in our country you should learn our language).

I have a good Pakistani friend who extremely dislikes Amir Kahn (the boxer) and he says that Amir Kahn is doing a bad job at representing all the Pakistanis out there (which also leads on to Indians because a lot can't tell the difference). I really do understand what he is saying, if I lived in another country and I was a minority and there was a cocky English boxer It would make me feel ashamed. Saying this I really like Amir Kahn, he is a great boxer and his fights are good to watch. I just wish he had a better attitude.

First off, stop blaming your ignorance on other people. Saurav did not lead you to believe he was of Pakistani descent, he didnt state what he was, you just presumed. And again with the presumptions. If you aren't sure about something why don't you check? Pakistan is mainly muslim, India is mainly Hindu. Following on from that, the names you've given are mainly muslim names, so again showing your ignorance. With the german comparison, no. Just the same as you cannot tell apart muslims and hindus, indian and pakistanis, their languages, they might not be able to tell apart our languages. So i'm putting it to you again, you would not like it.

As for Amir Khan, sure he's a bit cocky with his attitude but I think you'll find that the majority of sportsmen nowadays are.. yet again you've chosen to comment on the character of a person who is not white, despite the fact he is actually british as he was born here the same as me or you. You could say the same about many white, english footballers who have been arrested for drink driving, assault and many other offences.

[[Chris]]

Ok, i feel like i must apologise. What i said came out wrong.

I dont hate all pakistanis - Just the ones who follow on with other people causing trouble (My example) Which was just based off my school.

Sorry.

[Jord]

I feel exactly the same way as you, this invasion of these "Asian bad boys" who think they are bad is pissing me off.


Same here, They really wind me up the rail.. Like I have nothing against them but its annoying as hell

[[Chris]]

Same here, They really wind me up the rail..

Thats what i HATE. so much.

[Seatherny]

I feel exactly the same way as you, this invasion of these "Asian bad boys" who think they are bad is pissing me off.

I like how you said that. I think you are a "bad boy" too. I made a post about cricket and only posted the score and you randomly said "You s***".
bad boy!!!! :rolleyes:

[Jord]

;6174560']Thats what i HATE. so much.


I ain't a racist or anything but it's the same with every race aswell tbh

Some whites thinking there black and talking in all slang pisses me off to the max!

[[Chris]]

I ain't a racist or anything but it's the same with every race aswell tbh

Some whites thinking there black and talking in all slang pisses me off to the max!

What i think is - I dont care what colour they are - What religion they are

If they cause trouble with me. I dislike them.

Yet, im called racist, Just because i hate people who ARE NOT WHITE.
when there are quite a lot of white people that i do dislike.

[Nemo]

;6174571']What i think is - I dont care what colour they are - What religion they are

If they cause trouble with me. I dislike them.

Yet, im called racist, Just because i hate people who ARE NOT WHITE.
when there are quite a lot of white people that i do dislike.
It is because you're saying you hate asian people, which is based off their colour.

If u said u hate ppl who act like "bad boys" that wouldnt be racist. But you seem to group it up as just asian people/

[Mint]

I feel exactly the same way as you, this invasion of these "Asian bad boys" who think they are bad is pissing me off.
Same.

Tbh its a very fine line between racistism and just disliking them. I personally think that what u wrote above is not offencive however i also dont agree its rite for you to steryotype ''Indians/pakistanis'' Its Like any colour skin say if you were pakistani and got on a bus full of white people and you had fights with them thats just because theres many types of those people in the area but all i can say is dont steryotype and be brainwashed and obv dont be racist which you are certianlly not being ;)
Thanks.

;6174266']What annoys me - Theres ONE pakistani kid in our school, Who trys to dictate other peoples lives - he said - All you do over here is drink and get drunk, Its not like that over in pakistan - So, i put as simple as - GO BACK TO PAKISTAN THEN

I think.. that.. They ALL gain a title for themselves..

I mean, I apparently said something racist. which i didnt.. And i had 30-40 following me about shouting stuff at me and that.. when they wernt even involved.. So.. Yeah

I mean, i have pakistani friends.. So, not all are bad. Just.. They 'take after each other' in a sense..

And tbh, Im fed up of our country being taken over.
I agree.

I've not got a lot to say about the topic overall, I said my opinions in another topic. But the part in bold is totally different. The UK & US troops are there helping their country... pushing back the Taliban and helping to secure their countries. OK, I imagine many of them do not want us there but many will. Another thing is, the troops will one day leave their country.
Agree.

;6174504']Well, That was my opinion. I personally feel that immigration has gone too far..

No other country allows immigration on this scale..

I mean, Everybody has a right to their own opinion? I just really think that its all gone too far :/

Well, I dont really mean.. TAKEN OVER. but i think it was 200,000 BRITISH people LEAVING BECAUSE OFF IMMIGRATION. Now, Thats not good is it.
Agree.

;6174534']Tbh, Mint. I think you do need to learn the differences before you can complain.

I know indian people And they are ok. Yeah, some indian people night NOT be ok. But isnt that the same everywhere?

" @the part in bold - the thing is, he's right. People such as you and mint witter on about how they are taking over our great country, overruling our wonderful values when infact our country has gone to the dogs. All certain youths do seem to do is get drunk for fun, so i'm not surprised if I can see this that he can. Simply saying "If you don't like it go back to your own country" isn't going to fix anything. If all non-white, non-british people were removed from this country the problems would remain the same. Impoverished young white people will still continue to get pregnant, take drugs and get drunk whilst not contributing to society and taking benefits. I think it's just time people such as you see that the problems are not all to do with immigrants. "

Yeah, i agree with that, The thing is - this ONE person was going on about 'White people drinking ect ect' - When ALL his Pakistani/bengali friends all go on ' ORr, were gonna go get pissed and all this tonight ' - Thats great isnt it..

Like i said - I have a few pakistani friends - Therefore i dont HATE THEM ALL?, I just dislike a few. Not ALL OF THEM. Im just saying my school - Thats what i have a problem with
Ok, I also agree with you.

;6174554']Ok, i feel like i must apologise. What i said came out wrong.

I dont hate all pakistanis - Just the ones who follow on with other people causing trouble (My example) Which was just based off my school.

Sorry.
Same.

Same here, They really wind me up the rail.. Like I have nothing against them but its annoying as hell
Same.

I ain't a racist or anything but it's the same with every race aswell tbh

Some whites thinking there black and talking in all slang pisses me off to the max!
I agree.

;6174571']What i think is - I dont care what colour they are - What religion they are

If they cause trouble with me. I dislike them.

Yet, im called racist, Just because i hate people who ARE NOT WHITE.
when there are quite a lot of white people that i do dislike.

So I agree with all these quotes, thank God I am not the only one on the forum that is fed up of it.

[Seatherny]

Mint, you will find that the majority of the forum disagrees with your way of thinking. I like how you ignored mine and Tash's points, which probably means you admit you are wrong.

[[Chris]]

It is because you're saying you hate asian people, which is based off their colour.

If u said u hate ppl who act like "bad boys" that wouldnt be racist. But you seem to group it up as just asian people/

I dont particually hate ASIANS. Thats the thing.

[Hecktix]

Mint, you will find that the majority of the forum disagrees with your way of thinking. I like how you ignored mine and Tash's points, which probably means you admit you are wrong.

He also ignored me and Jamesy :(

[Seatherny]

He also ignored me and Jamesy :(

Pathetic to be honest. He asks for our opinions and then only looks at the ones which suits him. Its better that he doesn't ask at all.

I honestly think he posted what he did thinking he would get sympathy. It backfired.

[Nemo]

;6174599']I dont particually hate ASIANS. Thats the thing.
Well i used asian as a general term for indian/pakistanis which you keep referring to.

[[Chris]]

Well i used asian as a general term for indian/pakistanis which you keep referring to.

Right, but just because i dislike a few, Doesnt mean i hate ALL of them?

[Mint]

Pathetic to be honest. He asks for our opinions and then only looks at the ones which suits him. Its better that he doesn't ask at all.

I honestly think he posted what he did thinking he would get sympathy. It backfired.

You really do annoy me, I posted that because I thought I was the only person on the forum that has problems with Asians and I was just saying that I am surprised to see that I am not. I ignored your posts for a reason, that reason being they had nothing to do with what I wanted to say. :eusa_wall

[Hecktix]

You really do annoy me, I posted that because I thought I was the only person on the forum that has problems with Asians and I was just saying that I am surprised to see that I am not. I ignored your posts for a reason, that reason being they had nothing to do with what I wanted to say. :eusa_wall

Why ignore me & Jamesy then?

[Seatherny]

You really do annoy me, I posted that because I thought I was the only person on the forum that has problems with Asians and I was just saying that I am surprised to see that I am not. I ignored your posts for a reason, that reason being they had nothing to do with what I wanted to say. :eusa_wall

You mean because they were against you and proved you wrong in full?
Everyone dislikes some Asians. Even I do. Everyone dislikes some white people. Even I do. Everyone dislikes some Black people. You get the idea.

But you are just plain ignorant and racist. You think you are above ethnic minorities by using the terms "breed" and "infested". You disgust me.

[Mint]

Why ignore me & Jamesy then?

Same reason I ignored Sauravs and Tasha's.

[Hecktix]

Same reason I ignored Sauravs and Tasha's.

What because we proved you wrong?

[Nemo]

;6174609']Right, but just because i dislike a few, Doesnt mean i hate ALL of them?
I didnt say you did.

[Seatherny]

Same reason I ignored Sauravs and Tasha's.

What do you mean they had nothing to do with what you wanted to say :S You ask for our opinions and then you ignore the ones which are against you.

You think Asians are the only bad people eh? When I was at college this May, there was a Asian girl in my class. Her dad was beaten up by white people. For what? For driving a taxi. He did nothing to do, they were pure drunk and beat him up. He was in hospital for months, needed several operations. She told me he has nightmares often.
And you think Asians are bad. OPEN YOUR BLOODY EYES.
Oh btw, this girl still doesnt hate white people. A majority of her friends are white.
You have never experienced the above and you have never been spat on.

And people like you ask why those asians kid at your school or whatever say "all you white people do is get drunk". I dont agree with that that kid said, but I can see what he is trying to say. A white kid got drunk in Sheffield and urinated on a memorial.

[Mint]

What because we proved you wrong?

Surprisingly enough, no actually. :O The reason I did was... wait a minute didn't I just tell you? :eusa_thin Yes, thinking about it I did!


You really do annoy me, I posted that because I thought I was the only person on the forum that has problems with Asians and I was just saying that I am surprised to see that I am not. I ignored your posts for a reason, that reason being they had nothing to do with what I wanted to say. :eusa_wall


Saying that you have "proved me wrong" isn't really the case at all. You have stated your opinions and you may or may not think that you have stated them well. I think that I have spoken my mind very well, I have told you many reasons that have led me to dislike Indians/Pakistanis. I do try to prejudge them a lot less but when I hear them speaking their own language and wearing the most non-traditional English clothes you could possibly get they don't really give good first impressions. You can flame me for disliking their clothes but you can't flame me for disliking them speaking their own language. They should speak the English language if they choose to live here, it doesn't take long to learn the basics, I can learn more than just the basics in the first week of a 2 week holiday in another country so why can't they? But anyway, let's not pretend that a lot don't know our language, of course they do they just choose not to speak it. And the clothes, are they really that necessary? Them dresses the men wear and the rags they have wrapped around them. Not to mention them scary masks them woman have (not that you can tell they are woman), they seriously do freak me and a lot of other people out, I am surprised they have not been banned.

[Seatherny]

Again, ignored what I say. British people go to India and dont wear Indian clothes. BAN THEM!!!!!! THEY DONT SPEAK HINDI. OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG BAN BAN BAN!

[Mint]

Again, ignored what I say. British people go to India and dont wear Indian clothes. BAN THEM!!!!!! THEY DONT SPEAK HINDI. OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG BAN BAN BAN!

British people go to India/Pakistan for holidays, do you expect them to buy loads of Pakistani/Indian clothes to wear while they stay there? Indians/Pakistanis come here to LIVE HERE AND CALL THEMSELVES ENGLISH! They want to be classed as English yet they speak their foreign language, wear their foreign clothes and do not wish to take part in any English things (hence why they all live together, they might as well be living back in their own country!)

[Hecktix]

British people go to India/Pakistan for holidays, do you expect them to buy loads of Pakistani/Indian clothes to wear while they stay there? Indians/Pakistanis come here to LIVE HERE AND CALL THEMSELVES ENGLISH! They want to be classed as English yet they speak their foreign language, wear their foreign clothes and do not wish to take part in any English things (hence why they all live together, they might as well be living back in their own country!)

You are so ignorant, if you expect to get somewhere in life with an attitude like this, you best hope the BNP get into power...

[Robbie]

Here's my take on this. I live in Oldham, and we have one of the highest numbers of Pakistani's and Indian's in the country.

My college is probably 50% white 50% non-white, so I'm used to, and I accept ethnic minorities. The majority of them are hard working and do the jobs that us English think we are too good to do. The majority (95%) of non-whites in my college are fine and I get on with them. The ones that don't get on with white people are usually looked down upon by friends of their own ethnicity aswell, not everyone is like you say.

Although I do admit, walking through Oldham at night on my own and coming across a group of Asians is quite scary, although I'd imagine they feel the same way. When I got mugged in Oldham, 3 times, it was white people each time. A few Pakistani people even tried to help me, so you know.

You're ignorant and you're a fool because the remarks you make are clearly uneducated and I suggest you read up some more before you go spouting all this crap.

[Mint]

You are so ignorant, if you expect to get somewhere in life with an attitude like this, you best hope the BNP get into power...

Every day my life involves seeing customers, obviously we get a lot of Indian/Pakistani buyers with me living in Manchester. Do I act any different towards them as I would act towards a white English person? No. In business you have to put personal matters to the side and just get on with it. We notice many differences between white English and Pakistani's/Indians but we just have to do it (although it isn't a rare thing for us to turn down any Indian/Pakistani customers when it is bordering closing time). This isn't because of their skin colour or nationality, just imagine it as being a type of white English person that aren't really a joy to sell to, that is how we see it so we are obviously not racist.

[Jessie]

British people go to India/Pakistan for holidays, do you expect them to buy loads of Pakistani/Indian clothes to wear while they stay there? Indians/Pakistanis come here to LIVE HERE AND CALL THEMSELVES ENGLISH! They want to be classed as English yet they speak their foreign language, wear their foreign clothes and do not wish to take part in any English things (hence why they all live together, they might as well be living back in their own country!)

Mint, you are the most pathetic excuse for a human being.
And to be honest, i wouldnt have thought that any other race would want to call themselves English because of people like you, why would they want to be 1 inch of what you are?

Edit by Sammeth. (Assistant General Manager): Please do not be rude to other members, no matter how racist and ignorant they are. Make sure you put across your counter-points and arguments in a way that is civil.

[Smits]

I've read through some of these posts and have come to the conclusion that 'Mint' is a racist. No other word can describe him.

He talks about non whites like they are not human, even referring to them as 'two extremely different types of people.'

The only thing i would agree with him on, is how its annoying that the seem to all live in the same areas. That being said, these areas tend to be where the cheaper houses are, so they can afford to live there.

Its not nationality, race or religion that people should be judged on. If we all thought like mint, then we'd all hate our own race as well as every other. Also, anybody who thinks this is their country and there british, trace your routes.

[Mint]

Mint, you are the most pathetic excuse for a human being.
And to be honest, i wouldnt have thought that any other race would want to call themselves English because of people like you, why would they want to be 1 inch of what you are?

As expected, someone that dislikes me for my attitude towards them. I'd just like you to know that if it wasn't for all the people like me living here in England then the amount of them moving over here would be much, much more higher than it is now. It is people like me that stop the political people (don't know much about them lulz) from just letting them all in. If nobody here minded them being here and nobody here said that it is getting out of hand then they would just be able to freely move here and this country would no longer be England. If people like me didn't say no to all this immigration they would all just flood in. Thankfully this is not the case and England has still managed to stay mostly English.

It is good that we also have English people who like them, it encourages them to come over because they know that they would be welcomed and will be able to live their lives so you people in this thread that like them - great. We need them for jobs and such, I see a lot of them in the hospitals/dentists and they are really nice hard working people, we couldn't do without them.

[Jin]

I don't see you being around for much longer....

You have some quite extremely offensive views from what I have read in this thread and others so much so that I would liken you to a perfect candidate for being a terrorist.

You take offence because people who weren't born in this country live in the same city? I mean that is an amazing level of ignorance and probably a dangerous level at that too.

I am asian, I have a white long term girlfriend, I live in the whitest part of Reading. I speak 3 different languages and am very well spoken. I hold a slight dislike towards other asians completely dependent on their attitude but that is because they try to have this gangster, thug-life attitude.

However going by what you're saying, if I were to board a bus and call my mum and speak to her in a different language probably because I didn't want the whole bus to hear my conversation you would be offended by it?

I guess the true welsh, scottish and irish won't be allowed on alex's bus either.

More ******edly (I have had to make up this word just for this post) your dislike stems from your personal experience from these groups which frankly is such a stupid excuse that it makes me wonder if you have an extra chromosome somewhere.

In case you were completely unaware every ethic group has its own social class you can say.

In England we used the older system of chav, townie, goth, mosher etc etc. These days its more like chav and non-chav.

Same applies to Indians and Pakistans they have their own equivalent. So going by your excuse it is fair for me to say.

I hate all white people because I met some chavs as frankly that's the area I live in and I wish they would leave my country. Also for the Muslim equivalent I wish they left their country too.

I wonder if that's how the spanish feel? "WE HATE ALL ENGLISH AS THEY ARE ALL YOBBISH *****!"

Well that's my two cents doubt it will make a difference to your opinions or personality but I like to think that it has prevent me from having an anger stroke.

Frankly this country is where it is today because of every ethnic group, I wonder what the white to asian ratio is for doctors in hospitals? IT technicians, lawyers, accountants etc etc. To hate a group of people because you encountered a minority is so stupid that you may be eligible for a darwin award sometime in the future.




Anyway I am off to go speak in funny languages, wear funny clothes and organise terrorist attacks because that is obviously what I do as I am not white! :rolleyes:

[Jordy]

;6174504']Well, That was my opinion. I personally feel that immigration has gone too far..

No other country allows immigration on this scale..

I mean, Everybody has a right to their own opinion? I just really think that its all gone too far :/

Well, I dont really mean.. TAKEN OVER. but i think it was 200,000 BRITISH people LEAVING BECAUSE OFF IMMIGRATION. Now, Thats not good is it.Well that's just hypocrisy at it's absolute best. You and others criticise Indians and Pakistanis moving over here because they want a better quality of life, in a frankly better off country than their own. Yet 200,000 people are so annoyed by immigrants, they go immigrate to another country to seek a better quality of life.

How is that any different? Anyone who plans on moving country because of immigration is a hell of a hypocrite.

And being patriotic has nothing to do with it. I'm very patriotic, I'm proud of our history and proud of what our nation is today. Whoever is living in the country right now is not going to change that, and what's more, "these foreigners" living in our country our all part of our history and present. Many British Muslims fought for us in World War II, there's also a lot of Brits from Caribbean Origins fighting for us in Afghanistan right now.

[kuzkasate]

Just before anyone reads this, I do not intend to be racist and I am sorry if I do offend anyone.

I have the exact same problem apart from I dont post stuff on HxF. I too live in Manchester and I too have to get a bus through longsight which has alot of pakistani/indian people. Now everytime I see an indian or pakistani person they are always together & they always try and act "bad." They walk, dress & talk like they're all it which really does get on my nervous because I, myself am not english neither are my family.
So that too really gets on my nerves & when you sit on the bus or w.e and look at the window and see them, they are always like "YO BLUD, WUT U LOOKIN AT YO." and it really gets on my nerves because I too have had several fights for near enough the same reasons.

Another thing which gets me is religion. I'm not saying that the Muslim religion is wrong, everyone gets to choose their religion, so it is fine. But I hate it when Muslims (yet again, no offence to anyone) sit there and talk about how right the Quran is and how perfect Allah is and then they start saying that basically, the Bible is a complete load of poop & its been changed many times. Its like... your in a country which its main religion isnt Muslim yet your sitting there and critizing other peoples religions...

But there are some very nice pakistani people, I have a few pakistani friends so dont get me wrong, I'm not a racist. So yeah, I dont think your being racist what so ever...

[Robbie]

People who complain about 'foreigners in their country' and decide to emmigrate because of this are stupid.

They move somewhere where they are outnumbered around 15:1 by 'foreigners'.

Although if people emmigrate for other reasons, more power to them, at least they know what to expect :)

[Seatherny]

British people go to India/Pakistan for holidays, do you expect them to buy loads of Pakistani/Indian clothes to wear while they stay there? Indians/Pakistanis come here to LIVE HERE AND CALL THEMSELVES ENGLISH! They want to be classed as English yet they speak their foreign language, wear their foreign clothes and do not wish to take part in any English things (hence why they all live together, they might as well be living back in their own country!)

Maybe they speak in their own ******* language because they feel comfortable? I speak to every white person in English, but if I am speaking to my own family, I speak in Hindi? Why? Its easier for me and them as we have been speaking it for the MAJORITY of our life.

And I dont think you realise, BECAUSE YOU ARE TOO BLOODY IGNORANT, WHITE PEOPLE LIVE IN INDIA TOO. YES. GET THAT INTO YOUR BLOODY HEAD. THEY DON'T DRESS IN INDIAN CLOTHES. THEY DON'T SPEAK HINDI. DO YOU SEE ME COMPLAINING? NO.

ALSO I FIND THE FACT THAT YOU REFER TO IT AS "SCARY MASKS" AS HIGHLY RACISTS "/ THEY CAN JUST SAY THAT ABOUT WHAT YOU WEAR.

Once again, which area do you live in (if you don't mind answering)?
DON'T YOU THINK SO MANY ASIANS LIVE TOGETHER IN LONGSIGHT AND RUSHOLME BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO LIVE NEAR RACISTS LIKE YOU?

:eusa_wall

[Firehorse]

So you are saying you have never met any nice Indian/Pakistani?
I live in Manchester too, and I think you are just making thigs look worse than what they really are.
The only place which is full of Pakistanis (btw, Manchester doesnt have many Indians at all, its Birmingam) is Rusholme (and maybe Longsight). Rusholme isn't even that big. You go to Salford, its all white. Didsbury, mainly whites. Withington, mainly whites. Cheadle, mainly whitres. Stockport, mainly whites.

I went to Moss Side last week, and I actually counted how many white people and black people I saw. I saw 7 blacks/asians and 7 whites. Also, I go to university and my bus (111) goes past Moss Side everyday, and I see just as many white people as black/asians everyday.

I live in Withington. I have had white people calling me a **** (funny because I am an Indian .. ignorant idiots) and shouting racist stuff at me and a friend of mine who is black. I was cycling home from college last year and a white man spat at me, actually spat on my face. Did I do anything? No. I was cycling on the road and stopped at a red light and he spat on my face and shouted racist abuse at me. I obviously told him where to go :) You don't realise how insulting it is to be spat on.
I was on the bus this afternoon and 2 white woman got on at Moss Side, both chav looking and they were both on the phone. They were swearing non stop on the phone and talking so loud its unbelieveable. I see many white kids get on the bus everyday and they act like animals.

At school when I was in year 8, a year 11 white girl used to shout racist abuse at me (and then got kicked out of school). Another boy at school shouted racial abuse at me etc ... but then I ended up beating the crap out of him and he never dared look at me again.

But you dont see me hating every white person? I judge people individually. Believe me when I say this, I have probably had more racial attacks on me than you have had but I still don't hate white people. I like them and judge every people individually, and not think ALL WHITE PEOPLE MUST BE IDIOTS BECAUSE I SAW A FEW IDIOTS.

You used the terms "infested" and "breed" when referring to Indians, Pakistanis, Blacks etc. I find that racist, so overall, yes I do think you are racist. Why? Because you see a few idiot asians, and you automatically think we are all the same. Yes there are many idiot asians here, do you think other asians like it? No. I hate them too, but there are white people who are idiots too. Everyone is different, and its not affected by your skin colour.

I dont think people realise how difficult it is sometimes to be brown in UK (even in a highly multi-cultural society like Manchester).

By reading both your post and Mint's original post I think that the few who spoil it then bring hate upon themselves and their entire race by the people they annoy, ofcourse racism wasn't originally two way (slave trade etc) but now it seems its turned around and believe me i've seen this a lot: There are people out there that will annoy and piss people off to hell and then whenever they get any verbal or physical abuse in return they will call it racism and claim that they are in the right. Nobody is in the right. If people take refuge or move to another country they should abide by the laws and be a good citizen, the problem with the UK especially is that the government doesn't care about imigration control. If you went and lived in say botswana or kenya and you vandalised their property and cussed at people telling them that your country and your race is better then obviously they will hate you and you'd even probably be deported if you were trying to become a citizen, which is the problem since we live in a Welfare State.

Just my couple of thoughts...

[Hecktix]

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[Fez]

;6174266']
And tbh, Im fed up of our country being taken over.

*sigh*

95% of Britain is white-british.

Immigration is not growing or decreasing, it's staying at a steady rate. It's better than America's immigration rate and actually much lower than France's.

Our country will only be taken over, culturally, when our very government begins to accept the laws and rules of other countries and religions.

[Mint]

Just before anyone reads this, I do not intend to be racist and I am sorry if I do offend anyone.

I have the exact same problem apart from I dont post stuff on HxF. I too live in Manchester and I too have to get a bus through longsight which has alot of pakistani/indian people. Now everytime I see an indian or pakistani person they are always together & they always try and act "bad." They walk, dress & talk like they're all it which really does get on my nervous because I, myself am not english neither are my family.
So that too really gets on my nerves & when you sit on the bus or w.e and look at the window and see them, they are always like "YO BLUD, WUT U LOOKIN AT YO." and it really gets on my nerves because I too have had several fights for near enough the same reasons.

Another thing which gets me is religion. I'm not saying that the Muslim religion is wrong, everyone gets to choose their religion, so it is fine. But I hate it when Muslims (yet again, no offence to anyone) sit there and talk about how right the Quran is and how perfect Allah is and then they start saying that basically, the Bible is a complete load of poop & its been changed many times. Its like... your in a country which its main religion isnt Muslim yet your sitting there and critizing other peoples religions...

But there are some very nice pakistani people, I have a few pakistani friends so dont get me wrong, I'm not a racist. So yeah, I dont think your being racist what so ever...

I completely understand what you are saying. If it wasn't for these chav Pakistanis/Indians there would be a lot less racism towards Indians and Pakistanis. Speaking of the few spoiling it for the many, Indian/Pakistani chav's will be looked at and be used to make decisions on for the Pakistanis/Indians as a whole. Like if a white English person had never seen an Asian before and then they saw some on the bus acting all chavy this would make the person say things like "I saw some of them Asians on the bus yesterday and they were being really disruptive, cocky and were using words such as blud and man every second". A minority in a country should be on their best behaviour, you just don't go to another country and act like a lot of these Pakistanis/Indians do and expect to get no racial abuse from anyone.

[Seatherny]

I completely understand what you are saying. If it wasn't for these chav Pakistanis/Indians there would be a lot less racism towards Indians and Pakistanis. Speaking of the few spoiling it for the many, Indian/Pakistani chav's will be looked at and be used to make decisions on for the Pakistanis/Indians as a whole. Like if a white English person had never seen an Asian before and then they saw some on the bus acting all chavy this would make the person say things like "I saw some of them Asians on the bus yesterday and they were being really disruptive, cocky and were using words such as blud and man every second". A minority in a country should be on their best behaviour, you just don't go to another country and act like a lot of these Pakistanis/Indians do and expect to get no racial abuse from anyone.

I like how you think its only Asians/Blacks who come to UK and do this. Of course White people behave perfectly in India. :rolleyes:

[Mint]

I like how you think its only Asians/Blacks who come to UK and do this. Of course White people behave perfectly in India. :rolleyes:

I don't know, if there are problems in India with English people then I hope the Indian people speak their minds to them, otherwise the English people will not stop behaving badly.

And reading your post again "I like how you think it is only Asians/Blacks who come to UK and do this". No, when did I say this? See I didn't say that did I? You just think that that is what I think, that is the problem you have.

[Seatherny]

Everyone behaves badly, regardless of their skin colour, something which you fail to understand.
Like I said, you are ignorant and a racist. Whatever people say, you wont listen and always ignore their posts unless they agree with you. Why ask us for our opinions if you are unwilling to listen? Unless you wanted us to feel sorry for you.

[Mint]

Everyone behaves badly, regardless of their skin colour, something which you fail to understand.
Like I said, you are ignorant and a racist. Whatever people say, you wont listen and always ignore their posts unless they agree with you. Why ask us for our opinions if you are unwilling to listen? Unless you wanted us to feel sorry for you.

There you go again, making decisions about what I think. How do I fail to understand it? I have said that there are white scroat bags that cause trouble, that is understanding that all races behave bad. You probably just ignored that because whatever I say you just come out with something else, you don't listen.

[Seatherny]

Then reply to what I have said, what Jin has said etc.

[kuzkasate]

Everyone behaves badly, regardless of their skin colour, something which you fail to understand.
Like I said, you are ignorant and a racist. Whatever people say, you wont listen and always ignore their posts unless they agree with you. Why ask us for our opinions if you are unwilling to listen? Unless you wanted us to feel sorry for you.

The thing is, I'm not sure I can really explain... if a British person see a British person behaving badly they wont then think that all British people are all idiots, because they themselves are British. But say, they see an Indian or a group of Indian people behaving like that, they prejudge them and think that now all of them are like that... its unfair but its life.

Same with me, I'm Russian and when I tell people they are like "OMG really, yo... is everyone there an alcoholic?!"

Im like... er no... people in Britain tend to drink more than they do in Russia... and people also tend to think other bad things about me and my country... but tough really... its life.

[Seatherny]

The thing is, I'm not sure I can really explain... if a British person see a British person behaving badly they wont then think that all British people are all idiots, because they themselves are British. But say, they see an Indian or a group of Indian people behaving like that, they prejudge them and think that now all of them are like that... its unfair but its life.

Same with me, I'm Russian and when I tell people they are like "OMG really, yo... is everyone there an alcoholic?!"

Im like... er no... people in Britain tend to drink more than they do in Russia... and people also tend to think other bad things about me and my country... but tough really... its life.

Obviously they wont think all British people are idiots, because they are British themselves! Its mainly ignorant people who see a few Asians/Blacks acting badly and think OH THEY ARE ALL IDIOTS. And then they say "I have some really nice asians/black friends" ... so its like you say they are all idiots and then say you know some nice ones.

:S:S:S

[kuzkasate]

Obviously they wont think all British people are idiots, because they are British themselves! Its mainly ignorant people who see a few Asians/Blacks acting badly and think OH THEY ARE ALL IDIOTS. And then they say "I have some really nice asians/black friends" ... so its like you say they are all idiots and then say you know some nice ones.

:S:S:S

You seriously need to stop accusing me, 1) I never said that "they are all idiots" because I know its not true and its not fair if I said that 2) Am I now not allowed to say I know some nice ones? Because I do know very nice pakistani people... :S So stop accusing me of random stuff which I never said

[e5]

I just think you need to accept the fact that the world is full of different cultures and races, and some areas take particular interest of the indians or pakistanis, for whatever reason.

[kuzkasate]

I just think you need to accept the fact that the world is full of different cultures and races, and some areas take particular interest of the indians or pakistanis, for whatever reason.

Yes I know, like I said I'm not english myself. I do respect peoples cultures and races but when you see pakistanis/indians acting all "bad" and then starting on you... it sorta makes you think really...

And I dont care about where they live... what areas or w.e

[Seatherny]

You seriously need to stop accusing me, 1) I never said that "they are all idiots" because I know its not true and its not fair if I said that 2) Am I now not allowed to say I know some nice ones? Because I do know very nice pakistani people... :S So stop accusing me of random stuff which I never said

I wasn't accusing you. Only my first line was at you and the rest at Mint. Apologies for not quoting properly.

[kuzkasate]

I wasn't accusing you. Only my first line was at you and the rest at Mint. Apologies for not quoting properly.

Its fine, but its just I did too say I know very nice pakistani people. :rolleyes:

Thing is, there are always "badly behaved people" everywhere, from every single country & race.
Like there are racists everywhere, in every country and race.

Theres not much you can do about it really apart from put your head up & be proud of who you are.

[Neversoft]

*sigh*

95% of Britain is white-british.

Immigration is not growing or decreasing, it's staying at a steady rate. It's better than America's immigration rate and actually much lower than France's.

Our country will only be taken over, culturally, when our very government begins to accept the laws and rules of other countries and religions.

Sorry to break it to you but immigration is increasing. It's gotten to such a critical stage that the UKIP want to 'freeze' immigration into Britain for no less than five years. Our tiny little country has it much worse than America. Many immigrates come over here for free health care and steal all the jobs. Anyone can see Britian currently has a problem with immigration unless of course you've been living under a rock.

As for the topic at hand, I totally understand what you are saying Mint, and I would not call you racist. I am a white person who lives fairly near London and I have rather long hair. Every now and then, when I'm completely minding my own business, an Asian person seems to think its alright to tell me to get a haircut, or make a petty remark about how I look - which is just plain rude. They're just looking for trouble. I have never had this problem with any other nationality or race, only Asians. However, it is of course only a select few people in the Asian community. My neighbors are Asian and I get on with them fine. I have Asian friends, and I know some people on this forum are Asian who are all great people. I am not at all a racist person, but because I've only had trouble with Asian people it has lead me to have a different outlook on them, which I believe is no fault of my own. If they didn't want to start something in the first place I wouldn't view them differently. It is definitely one of those minority spoils it for the majority kind of things. These few Asian people who just want to look 'bad' ruin how others view Asians as a whole. It's pathetic really, but unfortunately true.

[kuzkasate]

Sorry to break it to you but immigration is increasing. It's gotten to such a critical stage that the UKIP want to 'freeze' immigration into Britain for no less than five years. Our tiny little country has it much worse than America. Many immigrates come over here for free health care and steal all the jobs. Anyone can see Britian currently has a problem with immigration unless of course you've been living under a rock.

As for the topic at hand, I totally understand what you are saying Mint, and I would not call you racist. I am a white person who lives fairly near London and I have rather long hair. Every now and then, when I'm completely minding my own business, an Asian person seems to think its alright to tell me to get a haircut, or make a petty remark about how I look - which is just plain rude. They're just looking for trouble. I have never had this problem with any other nationality or race, only Asians. However, it is of course only a select few people in the Asian community. My neighbors are Asian and I get on with them fine. I have Asian friends, and I know some people on this forum are Asian who are all great people. I am not at all a racist person, but because I've only had trouble with Asian people it has lead me to have a different outlook on them, which I believe is no fault of my own. If they didn't want to start something in the first place I wouldn't view them differently. It is definitely one of those minority spoils it for the majority kind of things. These few Asian people who just want to look 'bad' ruin how others view Asians as a whole. It's pathetic really, but unfortunately true.

Another thing which really gets me... no immigrants steal your jobs. How much must you suck at your job if an immigrant took over your job... you must REALLY suck. So why dont all the people that claim they have no jobs, go get a better education & then get the job, because if an immigrant took over your job... I'd be pretty worried... :(

[Mint]

Then reply to what I have said, what Jin has said etc.
K, I'd like you to reply to what I have just said then too. I'd also like to hear your opinion about what I have just said regarding you making decisions about what I think when I have never actually said that. :P


ALSO I FIND THE FACT THAT YOU REFER TO IT AS "SCARY MASKS" AS HIGHLY RACISTS "/ THEY CAN JUST SAY THAT ABOUT WHAT YOU WEAR.

Say the same about what we wear? :eusa_eh: How could you? We don't exactly go around wearing balaclavas do we? Because that is what they are the equivalent to. Them masks that they wear pretty much are balaclavas, there is no doubt that they are scary, especially to old people and children. In the dark they can be terrifying, they look the same as a man wearing a balaclava who is obviously wearing it for a reason (mugging, murder, robbery etc).

I don't see you being around for much longer....

You have some quite extremely offensive views from what I have read in this thread and others so much so that I would liken you to a perfect candidate for being a terrorist.

You take offence because people who weren't born in this country live in the same city? I mean that is an amazing level of ignorance and probably a dangerous level at that too.

I am asian, I have a white long term girlfriend, I live in the whitest part of Reading. I speak 3 different languages and am very well spoken. I hold a slight dislike towards other asians completely dependent on their attitude but that is because they try to have this gangster, thug-life attitude.

However going by what you're saying, if I were to board a bus and call my mum and speak to her in a different language probably because I didn't want the whole bus to hear my conversation you would be offended by it?

I guess the true welsh, scottish and irish won't be allowed on alex's bus either.

More ******edly (I have had to make up this word just for this post) your dislike stems from your personal experience from these groups which frankly is such a stupid excuse that it makes me wonder if you have an extra chromosome somewhere.

In case you were completely unaware every ethic group has its own social class you can say.

In England we used the older system of chav, townie, goth, mosher etc etc. These days its more like chav and non-chav.

Same applies to Indians and Pakistans they have their own equivalent. So going by your excuse it is fair for me to say.

I hate all white people because I met some chavs as frankly that's the area I live in and I wish they would leave my country. Also for the Muslim equivalent I wish they left their country too.

I wonder if that's how the spanish feel? "WE HATE ALL ENGLISH AS THEY ARE ALL YOBBISH *****!"

Well that's my two cents doubt it will make a difference to your opinions or personality but I like to think that it has prevent me from having an anger stroke.

Frankly this country is where it is today because of every ethnic group, I wonder what the white to asian ratio is for doctors in hospitals? IT technicians, lawyers, accountants etc etc. To hate a group of people because you encountered a minority is so stupid that you may be eligible for a darwin award sometime in the future.




Anyway I am off to go speak in funny languages, wear funny clothes and organise terrorist attacks because that is obviously what I do as I am not white! :rolleyes:


I think for someone as educated as you and someone that could have so much to say in a topic like this, you didn't really do a good job in that post. Nevertheless I will still reply to a few parts of your post.

"You take offence because people who weren't born in this country live in the same city? I mean that is an amazing level of ignorance and probably a dangerous level at that too."

No, I do not take offence because people who weren't born in this country live in the same city, I don't think I have ever said that?

"However going by what you're saying, if I were to board a bus and call my mum and speak to her in a different language probably because I didn't want the whole bus to hear my conversation you would be offended by it?"

I wouldn't say offended is the correct word but yes I certainly would not like it. We can manage without the need to speak another language and while it being quite a handy and useful thing to be able to speak a different language I don't think on the bus when many other people are there is the right time. Many people do find it ignorant and think that if they want to live in our country they should speak our language.

"More ******edly (I have had to make up this word just for this post) your dislike stems from your personal experience from these groups which frankly is such a stupid excuse that it makes me wonder if you have an extra chromosome somewhere."

You seem quite angry about this and it has made you exaggerate quite a few times. Saying that I might have an extra chromosome somewhere just because I dislike some people from personal experiences is a load of crap. It is understandable for someone to dislike someone or something because of personal experiences, my youth has involved growing up in a place were an ethnic minority is a nuisance and you seem to think that I am crazy for being effected by that.

In fact, I think pretty much all your post is quite a let down, you could of stated your mind in a much better way considering this is a topic you know a lot about.

[Neversoft]

Another thing which really gets me... no immigrants steal your jobs. How much must you suck at your job if an immigrant took over your job... you must REALLY suck. So why dont all the people that claim they have no jobs, go get a better education & then get the job, because if an immigrant took over your job... I'd be pretty worried... :(

Immigrants take all the jobs because they'll work for less than average money. Have you never seen UK Border Force. I assume you're still in education so you don't actually know how hard it is to currently get a full time job. Of course the recession doesn't help.

[kuzkasate]

Immigrants take all the jobs because they'll work for less than average money. Have you never seen UK Border Force. I assume you're still in education so you don't actually know how hard it is to currently get a full time job. Of course the recession doesn't help.

1) Thats not always the case & good for them if they are willing to work for less. :rolleyes:

2) yes I have actually

3) I've nearly finished my education near enough and I have found decent fulltime payable jobs when I could and it wasnt hard... but I do agree sometimes its hard to get a full time job, but still thats not an excuse.

[Seatherny]

What I fail to understand is why people are unable to judge people individually?

[Neversoft]

1) Thats not always the case & good for them if they are willing to work for less. :rolleyes:

2) yes I have actually

3) I've nearly finished my education near enough and I have found decent fulltime payable jobs when I could and it wasnt hard... but I do agree sometimes its hard to get a full time job, but still thats not an excuse.

Actually it is pretty much always the case, and if you have actually seen UK Border Force you'll see how many immigrates take all of the jobs without an actual work permit because they'll work for little money. Also, somehow I find your last statement hard to believe when most places won't hire graduates until they have completed their exams. You might have found a part-time job, a full-time job - I don't think so.

[kuzkasate]

What I fail to understand is why people are unable to judge people individually?

Its just like an instinct... you see a gypsi stealing from the shop, "Oh dear, those travellers are stealing from us :O"

Its not fair but most people judge people as a collective


Actually it is pretty much always the case, and if you have actually seen UK Border Force you'll see how many immigrates take all of the jobs without an actual work permit because they'll work for little money. Also, somehow I find your last statement hard to believe when most places won't hire graduates until they have completed their exams. You might have found a part-time job, a full-time job - I don't think so.

If you read carefully, I said "when I could" meaning when I'm not in education.

[Seatherny]

Another thing which really gets me... no immigrants steal your jobs. How much must you suck at your job if an immigrant took over your job... you must REALLY suck. So why dont all the people that claim they have no jobs, go get a better education & then get the job, because if an immigrant took over your job... I'd be pretty worried... :(

To me, that's implying that immigrants are stupid.

@Neversoft - NO LOL. IMMIGRANTS ARENT WILLING TO WORK FOR LESS ROFL.
Unless immigrants are working illegally (cash in hand), they get paid the same.

[Mint]

The thing is, I'm not sure I can really explain... if a British person see a British person behaving badly they wont then think that all British people are all idiots, because they themselves are British. But say, they see an Indian or a group of Indian people behaving like that, they prejudge them and think that now all of them are like that... its unfair but its life.

Exactly! Indians/Pakistanis are the minority so it is them that are in the spotlight and will be judged. Obviously like Saurav has said, Indians/Pakistanis will judge the English by the way bad ones act but unfortunately they are the minority so what they think about the English will never really matter. And if they did have something bad to say about the English they will get told "If you don't like it go back then" etc (In a non offensive way btw).


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[Neversoft]

If you read carefully, I said "when I could" meaning when I'm not in education.

Please refer to my last post.

@Saurav - OMGZLOL WOZ THERE ANY NEED RLY? I meant illegal immigrants, of course legit immigrants would not work for less.

[Black_Apalachi]

That fact that everyone ignored Jin's post tells me you all got owned lol.

[Seatherny]

Please refer to my last post.

@Saurav - OMGZLOL WOZ THERE ANY NEED RLY? I meant illegal immigrants, of course legit immigrants would not work for less.

This thread is about immigrants in general. So if you mean illegal immigrants, state that clearly then :rolleyes: Otherwise don't moan when people get the wrong idea.

Oh the bus on friday, this white chav woman was talking shouting on the phone because she was obviously a ****** who could not speak properly. Anyway she was talking about working illegally (what an idiot, why say that so loudly on a bus :S) ... so its not just illegal immigrants.

[kuzkasate]

To me, that's implying that immigrants are stupid.

@Neversoft - NO LOL. IMMIGRANTS ARENT WILLING TO WORK FOR LESS ROFL. My cousion and his wife moved here last year, both earning approx £100,000 each.
Unless immigrants are working illegally (cash in hand), they get paid the same.

I'm not implying immigrants are stupid, I'm saying people are moaning and moaning but if you think about it, immigrants came here, most have nothing and dont know the english language yet they take the job of a British person... if anything I'm implying that immigrants are infact CLEVERER

[Seatherny]

That fact that everyone ignored Jin's post tells me you all got owned lol.

Mint and his followers have a habit of ignoring posts which pwn them.

[Invent]

Immigrants take all the jobs because they'll work for less than average money. Have you never seen UK Border Force. I assume you're still in education so you don't actually know how hard it is to currently get a full time job. Of course the recession doesn't help.

Uhm, I'm 17 and I've been given job offers left, right and center (even though I'm not even seeking employment at the moment). If you have the skill (especially if you're in an industry that's in demand) then you will get offered a job. Don't blame immigrants because they can do a job better than someone else that's not an immigrant. That's just being plain prejudice.

[Neversoft]

This thread is about immigrants in general. So if you mean illegal immigrants, state that clearly then :rolleyes: Otherwise don't moan when people get the wrong idea.

Oh the bus on friday, this white chav woman was talking shouting on the phone because she was obviously a ****** who could not speak properly. Anyway she was talking about working illegally (what an idiot, why say that so loudly on a bus :S) ... so its not just illegal immigrants.

Sorry but am I moaning? I find you attitude a little unnecessary. My first post might not have been very clear, but if you would care to look at the one after that I mentioned how immigrants without actual work permits take all of the jobs because they work for less. Nevertheless, I apologise. I didn't mean to offend anyone. Theres no need to get so ratty about it.


Uhm, I'm 17 and I've been given job offers left, right and center (even though I'm not even seeking employment at the moment). If you have the skill (especially if you're in an industry that's in demand) then you will get offered a job. Don't blame immigrants because they can do a job better than someone else that's not an immigrant. That's just being plain prejudice.

Please understand that the situation is different in all areas across Britian and also understand that the career I am trying to pursue may be more difficult than yours. The amount of people unemployed in Britain is currently the highest it's ever been. I don't think you could argue with that. Also, I already cleared this up above but I was referring to illegal immigrants in particular, not legit immigrants. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

[Seatherny]

Its fine, I just dislike people who say immigrants (legal) are willing to work for less when they arent. If you have the right skill, like Invent said, you will get the job.

[Titch]

And i thought i had a ****** up mind, I may have several views about people in london that people dont agree with but i dont believe it about all people in the world. I dont really know how to can hate all pakistani's (spelling?) and idians, most are so polite and well spoken where i live. It just small monorities in certain areas that i find annoying. Even now looking back on this thread and what i said my opinion is changing alot.

[Invent]

Please understand that the situation is different in all areas of Britian and also understand that the career I am trying to pursue may be more difficult than yours. The amount of people unemployed in Britain is currently the highest it's ever been. I don't think you could argue with that.

My industry is not labour intensive or anything like that but it definitely requires a high skill level to do the job properly. Also, yes, the unemployment rate is high but you can't just use immigration as the scapegoat for it.

[Seatherny]

I agree, there are idiotic Indians/Pakistanis/Chinese/Bangladeshis/Russians etc. There are idiots in every race, culture etc.
My point is that those minority should not make people hate the majority of the nice people of that race/culture etc. Why cant people judge people individually?

[Neversoft]

My industry is not labour intensive but it requires a high skill level to do the job properly. Yes, the unemployment rate is high but you can't just use immigration as the scapegoat for it.

I was referring to illegal immigrants, not legit immgrants (for the third time). :P

[Caution]

K, I'd like you to reply to what I have just said then too. I'd also like to hear your opinion about what I have just said regarding you making decisions about what I think when I have never actually said that. :P


Say the same about what we wear? :eusa_eh: How could you? We don't exactly go around wearing balaclavas do we? Because that is what they are the equivalent to. Them masks that they wear pretty much are balaclavas, there is no doubt that they are scary, especially to old people and children. In the dark they can be terrifying, they look the same as a man wearing a balaclava who is obviously wearing it for a reason (mugging, murder, robbery etc).


I think for someone as educated as you and someone that could have so much to say in a topic like this, you didn't really do a good job in that post. Nevertheless I will still reply to a few parts of your post.

"You take offence because people who weren't born in this country live in the same city? I mean that is an amazing level of ignorance and probably a dangerous level at that too."

No, I do not take offence because people who weren't born in this country live in the same city, I don't think I have ever said that?

"However going by what you're saying, if I were to board a bus and call my mum and speak to her in a different language probably because I didn't want the whole bus to hear my conversation you would be offended by it?"

I wouldn't say offended is the correct word but yes I certainly would not like it. We can manage without the need to speak another language and while it being quite a handy and useful thing to be able to speak a different language I don't think on the bus when many other people are there is the right time. Many people do find it ignorant and think that if they want to live in our country they should speak our language.

"More ******edly (I have had to make up this word just for this post) your dislike stems from your personal experience from these groups which frankly is such a stupid excuse that it makes me wonder if you have an extra chromosome somewhere."

You seem quite angry about this and it has made you exaggerate quite a few times. Saying that I might have an extra chromosome somewhere just because I dislike some people from personal experiences is a load of crap. It is understandable for someone to dislike someone or something because of personal experiences, my youth has involved growing up in a place were an ethnic minority is a nuisance and you seem to think that I am crazy for being effected by that.

In fact, I think pretty much all your post is quite a let down, you could of stated your mind in a much better way considering this is a topic you know a lot about.
I agree with that point, if a white person wore something that showed their eyes only, there would be something said. I don't like the fact the rules are bended to suit them..

[Seatherny]

Its their culture. If it annoys you so much, why don't british people wear it when they go to live in muslim countries??

[Mint]

That fact that everyone ignored Jin's post tells me you all got owned lol.
You would expect that from someone like Jin wouldn't you? But his post just didn't really seem to be relevant to what we have been talking about and I personally thought it was a let down. And yes I did quote it and reply to it.


Mint and his followers have a habit of ignoring posts which pwn them.

Hahaha, coming from you! You ignore any posts that own you. My last few posts being a great example? You also have a habit of making things up about what we have said, which you have ignored.

[Seatherny]

You would expect that from someone like Jin wouldn't you? But his post just didn't really seem to be relevant to what we have been talking about and I personally thought it was a let down. And yes I did quote it and reply to it.



Hahaha, coming from you! You ignore any posts that own you. My last few posts being a great example? You also have a habit of making things up about what we have said, which you have ignored.

His post didnt seem relevant? OH MY. I would love to say some stuff right now but you arent worth it.

So is this really my fault?
YOU ASKED FOR OUR OPINIONS AND WHEN ITS AGAINST YOU, ITS NOT RELEVANT? :rolleyes:

Where have I made things up? I would love to know ...

[Dan2nd]

The whole speaking in a different language thing sort of reminds me of my friend... He's Scottish and when around me and the rest of our friends speaks in an English accent.. however whenever he is at home with his family all of a sudden a Scottish accent comes out of nowhere I guess like someone else said earlier in the thread it's what the person finds more comfortable if two people are talking and they both have a mother tounge which isn't English why should they both have to speak English when it would be easier to speak in the language they know best?

[Seatherny]

Also I don't see anyone moaning about the Welsh and the Irish like Jin said?

Also Mint, you have been looking at this thread for a while now since I last replied, why don't you ever reply directly? Or do you wait for someone to maybe reply because you know you are wrong?

[kuzkasate]

Its fine, I just dislike people who say immigrants (legal) are willing to work for less when they arent. If you have the right skill, like Invent said, you will get the job.

Yes that is very true, like I said, I myself am an imigrant from Russia people tend to think immigrants are people who work for pennies when its not true and its not just about the cash.


Uhm, I'm 17 and I've been given job offers left, right and center (even though I'm not even seeking employment at the moment). If you have the skill (especially if you're in an industry that's in demand) then you will get offered a job. Don't blame immigrants because they can do a job better than someone else that's not an immigrant. That's just being plain prejudice.

Totally correct. I came from Russia to England at the age of 6, not knowing any english at all. I started primary school with a lot of problems with the language. When I was at high school, I was the cleverest in my year & finished with the best GCSE grades out of anyone, lots of As + A*s. So there you go ;)


Mint and his followers have a habit of ignoring posts which pwn them.

Who do you mean by his followers?

[Mint]

Where have I made things up? I would love to know ...

I wasted my time to quote just some of the things you have made up, you did this a lot in the other threads we argued in.


So you are saying you have never met any nice Indian/Pakistani?
In the main thread starting post I actually said that I know loads of nice Indian/Pakistanis, that is the first thing you made up.


Pathetic to be honest. He asks for our opinions and then only looks at the ones which suits him.
You say I only look at the ones that suit me but the post you were saying this about was about me being surprised at all the people that have problems with Asians so in actual fact I don't only look at the posts that suit me, made up much?


I like how you think its only Asians/Blacks who come to UK and do this. Of course White people behave perfectly in India. :rolleyes:
Oh really? You like how I think it's only Asians/Blacks who come to the UK and do this? That's nice, but what makes you think this? I never said that It is only Blacks/Asians that come to the UK and do this but obviously you like making things up and this is just another thing you have made up.


Everyone behaves badly, regardless of their skin colour, something which you fail to understand.
How do I fail to understand that all races behave badly? I said that there are white scroat bags that behave badly so here again you have lied.

so its like you say they are all idiots and then say you know some nice ones.
When did I say "All Asians are idots"? I didn't, yet again something you have made up.



Also I don't see anyone moaning about the Welsh and the Irish like Jin said?

Also Mint, you have been looking at this thread for a while now since I last replied, why don't you ever reply directly? Or do you wait for someone to maybe reply because you know you are wrong?

So you have actually been monitoring me while I have been eating my tea? Scary. My laptop has been pushed to the side while still viewing this page since Harry Hills TV burp came on. Now I am watching the X Factor and also posting (thought you might like to know xx :] ). I always post straight away no matter who the previous poster is so there you go again making things up. And by the way, I am right, not wrong. :8

[Seatherny]

Oh really? You like how I think it's only Asians/Blacks who come to the UK and do this? That's nice, but what makes you think this? I never said that It is only Blacks/Asians that come to the UK and do this but obviously you like making things up and this is just another thing you have made up.


How do I fail to understand that all races behave badly? I said that there are white scroat bags that behave badly so here again you have lied.

If you really understood it, you would have never made this post. Because like I said, people should judge people individually.
And you say you can see that asians/blacks/british can all act like idiots, so whats the point you are trying to make? :S

[Mint]

Who do you mean by his followers?

He means anyone posting in this thread that even slightly agrees with me. I'm surprised he didn't say mandem anyway. :badgrin:

[Japan]

I think this whole thing is disgusting actually. Of course it is your fault that you are racist.
There are millions of pakistani and india people in the world, you can't condemn an entire race based on a couple of rowdy people on the bus.

[Seatherny]

He means anyone posting in this thread that even slightly agrees with me. I'm surprised he didn't say mandem anyway. :badgrin:

I was actually referring to a few other people who dislike asians.

[Mint]

I was actually referring to a few other people who dislike asians.

What? :/ You originally said "Mint's followers" now you have changed it to "a few other people who dislike Asians". Come on, make your mind up. :/

[Seatherny]

What? :/ You originally said "Mint's followers" now you have changed it to "a few other people who dislike Asians". Come on, make your mind up. :/

Its the same thing :S

You said this:


He means anyone posting in this thread that even slightly agrees with me. I'm surprised he didn't say mandem anyway.

Different stuff.

[Seatherny]

Also two more things I wanted to point out.


Firstly I want to make sure this thread stays clean from any racism.

Really? Why say the below then? Its highly racist "/


Them dresses the men wear and the rags they have wrapped around them. Not to mention them scary masks them woman have (not that you can tell they are woman), they seriously do freak me and a lot of other people out, I am surprised they have not been banned.


And then ...


I have never called an Indian/Pakistani because of their skin and wouldn't see the point in doing so, it's just skin.

You say the above and then say "breed" "infested" "your people".

Seriously just leave now. You ask for our opinion, then we flame you, and you disagree. Err why ask for our OPINIONS then? :S

[Titch]

I was actually referring to a few other people who dislike asians.

If your refering to me, i have no problems asians, i just dont like the ones in london becuase i find them rude. (Well a small minority of them shall i say, becuase i know all arnt rude).

[Jessie]

Argh. I'm so annoyed with people thinking they are any better than anyone else just because they are English.
What does it matter that they have a different colour skin or beliefs to you as long as they are good natured, you should have no problem with them?
To be honest it just makes me sick.
So I don't get another warning:
[By the way i'm, not pointing this at anyone particular, just racists in general] ;l

[Mint]

Its the same thing :S

You said this:



Different stuff.

But if anyone slightly agrees with me then they obviously have some sort of problem with Asians. I'm so confused right now, what a waste of life this is. You are one of those people that could argue with themselves in the right circumstances, you just don't listen, don't make sense and do not wish to gain anything from our argument. You just want to have digs at us British whenever you get the opportunity, tell us about how much money your family makes here, tell us your stories about white people working illegally, white people swearing on the bus, white people beating up taxi drivers etc You do a good job at representing most of the other Pakistani/Indian kids I know, you are just like them. Just another reason why I think that all the young Pakistani's/Indians living here in Manchester are like you.

[Black_Apalachi]

You would expect that from someone like Jin wouldn't you? But his post just didn't really seem to be relevant to what we have been talking about and I personally thought it was a let down. And yes I did quote it and reply to it. ...

Oh, I must have missed it. You clearly missed his post as well if you don't see how it's relevant :S.

[Tash.]

Exactly! Indians/Pakistanis are the minority so it is them that are in the spotlight and will be judged. Obviously like Saurav has said, Indians/Pakistanis will judge the English by the way bad ones act but unfortunately they are the minority so what they think about the English will never really matter. And if they did have something bad to say about the English they will get told "If you don't like it go back then" etc (In a non offensive way btw).

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I'm actually at a loss to say anything about this, thats how disgusting of a generalisation that is. I know i've bitten on your bait but you cowardly edited it in when the page had already passed. On your first post you wrote how you were trying very hard not to be offensive and not get banned, well I would like to bet you didn't think this part through at all. It's honestly the worst thing i've heard in ages.


K, I'd like you to reply to what I have just said then too. I'd also like to hear your opinion about what I have just said regarding you making decisions about what I think when I have never actually said that. :P


Say the same about what we wear? :eusa_eh: How could you? We don't exactly go around wearing balaclavas do we? Because that is what they are the equivalent to. Them masks that they wear pretty much are balaclavas, there is no doubt that they are scary, especially to old people and children. In the dark they can be terrifying, they look the same as a man wearing a balaclava who is obviously wearing it for a reason (mugging, murder, robbery etc).

Again, many white youths also wear hoodies. I for one find them alot more intimidating than the traditional religious clothing that muslims/hindus/sikhs may wear. Hoodies are not worn for this purpose and I would and do cross the road when confronted with a group or even 2 people wearing a hoodie, therefore your point has failed.

As for the job thing Neversoft and others were referring to, i've been unemployed myself since leaving college in the summer of 2008. My a-level results were not anything to be ashamed of and yet I still struggled to get into an administration job. I only just recently became employed so I know the current struggle very well. However, I would not dream of suggesting that the reason I couldn't get a job was because people who have migrated here have stolen them away from me. Saying that is highly ignorant, the only jobs they 'steal' are low paid jobs such as cleaners and highly paid jobs such as doctors, dentists, lawyers etc all of which we need and if they are intelligent enough to do them then I see no reason why they shouldn't.

[Seatherny]

Exactly! Indians/Pakistanis are the minority so it is them that are in the spotlight and will be judged. Obviously like Saurav has said, Indians/Pakistanis will judge the English by the way bad ones act but unfortunately they are the minority so what they think about the English will never really matter. And if they did have something bad to say about the English they will get told "If you don't like it go back then" etc (In a non offensive way btw).


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[Callum.]

I just don't like how they get houses and stuff. Like that family with 8 kids, 1.5million house or something, all modernised and are still complaining. There are 7 kids in my house and my mother, and we're fine in a 400k house. Just a joke.

[Fez]

http://mimg.ugo.com/200910/11727/facepalm.jpg

[Seatherny]

Mint, I think you just showed everyone by posting what you did (stuff directed at me), how low you are, how big of a racist you are. I think you answered your question yourself, YES YOU ARE TO BLAME FOR IT.
You are ignorant, and a racist.

[danzooo]

I haven't read any of the posts in this thread and I am replying directly to OP.

To be honest, your not being racist, and you hating all Asians because you've had a couple of messy encounters with them in the past is a sweeping generalisation. I know a few Muslims and while some of them are total numptys, there are the select few who are pretty decent people. It's like saying all Scottish people are poor, ginger alcoholics - just because in one instance there was an alcoholic Scotsman doesn't mean we're all alcoholics for example.

I guess you can't help how you feel and it's so hard to talk about subjects like this because one toe out of line is seen as "racist", this country is ridiculously PC.

[Cypher-]

I agree with the whole different culture reforming streets and area's I dont like it at all because British heritage should remain as it is, but then again if you go to places like Costa Del Sol and other tourist hotspots in Spain you see entire colonies of English Scottish Welsh and Northern Irish people living there who have immigrated.

They also fly their flags over there and have their individual celebrations and that dont coincide with the Spanish, so you can look at it either way. We give as good as we get.

[Seatherny]

I haven't read any of the posts in this thread and I am replying directly to OP.

To be honest, your not being racist

Maybe you should read what he has posted through out the thread and then form your opinion.

People moan that Asians "steal" jobs but they also create jobs. Why do people only look at the negatives?

[Cypher-]

Maybe you should read what he has posted through out the thread and then form your opinion.

People moan that Asians "steal" jobs but they also create jobs. Why do people only look at the negatives?

Im white and I have never known an Asian to steal a job, British people misunderstand it. Some asian people get job's because english people are too lazy to do it themselves.

[danzooo]

Maybe you should read what he has posted through out the thread and then form your opinion.

I was forming my opinion based on the question he originally asked.

[Mint]

Mint, I think you just showed everyone by posting what you did (stuff directed at me), how low you are, how big of a racist you are. I think you answered your question yourself, YES YOU ARE TO BLAME FOR IT.
You are ignorant, and a racist.

Why are you so shocked? I didn't exactly deny anything in my original post did I? :S It's like I said "yes in today's society I would be classed as racist and do you think this is my fault?" Then you have said "Yes it is your fault because you are racist!". Guess the free education didn't help?


Again, many white youths also wear hoodies. I for one find them alot more intimidating than the traditional religious clothing that muslims/hindus/sikhs may wear. Hoodies are not worn for this purpose and I would and do cross the road when confronted with a group or even 2 people wearing a hoodie, therefore your point has failed..

Far from failed. Today on the news, 2 middle aged English people said to a Muslim wearing the headgear that she looked like a terrorist. It went to court but guess what? The English people got away with it. All them head scarf mask things can be mistaken for many other things. Using hoodies as an example is a bit of a fail, you should drive through Glodwick and check out all of the Pakistanis/Indians wearing hoodies. Just the same as you might find loads of English people wearing hoodies in rough areas, that is were your point fails as English AND Indian/Pakistanis wear hoodies yet ONLY Indians/Pakistanis wear those head scarf mask things. I recently got infracted for posting an incident I had on my way to the shop, I explained how it was going dark and as I turned the corner there one of them was, an Indian/Pakistani or whatever (man or woman, not as if you can tell when you bump into one in the dark) and I said that it scared the crap out of me. I got an infraction just for saying how scary it was, that is a good example of what is happening in England now. We get called racist for saying minor things that have nothing to do with the word racism, maybe that is another reason why I get so angry over these Asians?To be honest I'm not entirely sure what happened here but from what I have bothered to read thank God they got released without charges. :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8404212.stm

[Seatherny]

Why are you so shocked? I didn't exactly deny anything in my original post did I? :S It's like I said "yes in today's society I would be classed as racist and do you think this is my fault?" Then you have said "Yes it is your fault because you are racist!". Guess the free education didn't help?


I think you will find that people explained very clearly why you are the racist. Did you miss the "free" English lessons at school :S
Free Education? Half my life, I have paid for my education. And now that I am university, I am paying again. So please don't say stuff you have zero knowledge about. Like I have said several times in this thread, you are just ignorant.

Referring back to what you said about my family probably owning takeaways and corner shops, just LOL. Again ignorant :)
Go to southern cemetery, any mason in Manchester, Sunderland beach, the monuments you see is the answer to what my family does.
No I am not boasting, I am simply answering your questions.

And ***, who do you expect to own Indian Takeaways? White people? Maybe a few but obviously will be majority Indians :S Your comments are just laughable.

Oh and on the 111 Bus, 2 little white kids got on, they were running around the bus like crazy, jumping on seats, swearing, speaking in "gangsta" language. Man it wasn't English :(.

Like I said, IGNORANT.

[Tash.]

Far from failed. Today on the news, 2 middle aged English people said to a Muslim wearing the headgear that she looked like a terrorist. It went to court but guess what? The English people got away with it. All them head scarf mask things can be mistaken for many other things. Using hoodies as an example is a bit of a fail, you should drive through Glodwick and check out all of the Pakistanis/Indians wearing hoodies. Just the same as you might find loads of English people wearing hoodies in rough areas, that is were your point fails as English AND Indian/Pakistanis wear hoodies yet ONLY Indians/Pakistanis wear those head scarf mask things. I recently got infracted for posting an incident I had on my way to the shop, I explained how it was going dark and as I turned the corner there one of them was, an Indian/Pakistani or whatever (man or woman, not as if you can tell when you bump into one in the dark) and I said that it scared the crap out of me. I got an infraction just for saying how scary it was, that is a good example of what is happening in England now. We get called racist for saying minor things that have nothing to do with the word racism, maybe that is another reason why I get so angry over these Asians?To be honest I'm not entirely sure what happened here but from what I have bothered to read thank God they got released without charges. :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8404212.stm

I actually read that story myself last week, infact it was a different report but on the same story and from the sounds of it what they said was deeply hurtful whether or not it was racist. And I think you might find you get yourself into trouble because of how you speak about such people, you refer to them using words which you would speak of an animal and it's not right. You wouldn't use such words to describe a white human being so it's not ok that you would say them about an asian person. Yes asian people as well as white people wear hoodies, but what I was trying to point out is that it's not that you can't see the person behind the hijab that scares you, it's because you have some notion that they must be a bomber or something. To me hoodies are alot more threatening and would pose alot more of a threat than someone who is wearing a religious item. I want to ask you, are you afraid of hoodies? And if so are you afraid of them all or just the asian people wearing them? I implore you to think very carefully about what your answer is because you might just shoot yourself in the foot.

[Seatherny]

Exactly, he says we just said "Yes it is your fault because you are racist!". but we gave him a reason but he is too ignorant to look at them.
We explained many times that it was because he refers to asians as "infested, breed" like animals "/ He is nothing but a racist.

And, I agree, most people usually find people with hoodies more threatning than people with religious scarfs.

[Mint]

I actually read that story myself last week, infact it was a different report but on the same story and from the sounds of it what they said was deeply hurtful whether or not it was racist. And I think you might find you get yourself into trouble because of how you speak about such people, you refer to them using words which you would speak of an animal and it's not right. You wouldn't use such words to describe a white human being so it's not ok that you would say them about an asian person. Yes asian people as well as white people wear hoodies, but what I was trying to point out is that it's not that you can't see the person behind the hijab that scares you, it's because you have some notion that they must be a bomber or something. To me hoodies are alot more threatening and would pose alot more of a threat than someone who is wearing a religious item. I want to ask you, are you afraid of hoodies? And if so are you afraid of them all or just the asian people wearing them? I implore you to think very carefully about what your answer is because you might just shoot yourself in the foot.
About hoodies, they are only intimidating when you are in a rough area. Most people (including Asians) that are wearing hoodies in an average town are actually ok. In my local town you do see quite a few people wearing hoodies at night but like I said, they don't mean any harm and as long as you mind your own business they don't even attempt to communicate/intimidate you. However, when I see Asians wearing them masks I don't think "Oh my God it's a terrorist!", after the shock of seeing someone wearing a black mask like thing on their face with only their eyes exposed I would then start to think "Is it someone wearing a balaclava or is it an Asian?". I never take risks though, I would usually cross the road if it's dark and I'm not 100% sure about them. Even in the daylight it can be quite a shocking thing to suddenly see someone wearing a mask like thing with only their eyes exposed. I am still unsure as to why they even need to wear them? Like in the desert were sand can be quite a nuisance it is understandable, same with a hot country, they would be useful to keep you cool and shade you from the sun. I admit that I know only a tiny thing about different religions but is it because they have a dress code in their religion to hide their hair? Then some take it to the next level and wear them masks? It really isn't needed, you talk about us all being the same and having equal rights so what makes your hair so superior to ours that they feel the need to cover it up and prevent us from seeing it? (assuming that is what it's for) Same with the face covering too.

Exactly, he says we just said "Yes it is your fault because you are racist!". but we gave him a reason but he is too ignorant to look at them.
We explained many times that it was because he refers to asians as "infested, breed" like animals "/ He is nothing but a racist.

And, I agree, most people usually find people with hoodies more threatning than people with religious scarfs.

Well thank you for stating the obvious. Saying "most people usually find people with hoodies more threatening than people with religious scarfs" is hardly fair. Obviously if you looked at someone and knew that it was a religious scarf you won't feel threatened, however when you are not expecting it or you can see one in the near distance it can be terrifying as you do not know if it is an Asian, they look extremely similar to balaclavas or some sort of thing they have used to hide their identity. I apologize for using words such as "infested" and "breed" in your presence but it's the norm in my life. At school, at home, around my area, we don't get on very well with Asians and you can't deny that they like to crowd small areas or in some cases crowd rather large areas. Then you may call me ignorant for saying that they have loads of children (which is why I used the word breed) but they seriously do have babies like there's no tomorrow. They always seem to have larger low cost vehicles to fit all the family in too.

It is understandable for you to be so defensive about Asians, but to be honest if I moved to a different country and I noticed that a large amount of people were not happy with me I would respect the fact that it is their country and certainly not leave but try to sort things out. If I was an Asian living here I would get rid of my distinctive beard, get rid of my skirt and tracksuit bottoms combination, remove my turban/head scarf mask thing, get rid of my toyota/nissan and move away from an area full of people that are of the same nationality as me. You want to call yourselves English yet you look nothing like us (not talking about skin colour here). Besides, just because you were born here doesn't really make you English. You may be an English citizen but if I was slightly older and went on holiday with my pregnant wife and she had the baby in that country (lets use greece as an example) would my baby be Greek? No, it has genuine English parents so English blood and there would be nothing Greek about the baby (other than the fact that its mother happened to give birth to it while she was over there).

[Jamesy]

If I was an Asian living here I would get rid of my distinctive beard, get rid of my skirt and tracksuit bottoms combination, remove my turban/head scarf mask thing, get rid of my toyota/nissan and move away from an area full of people that are of the same nationality as me. You want to call yourselves English yet you look nothing like us (not talking about skin colour here). Besides, just because you were born here doesn't really make you English. You may be an English citizen but if I was slightly older and went on holiday with my pregnant wife and she had the baby in that country (lets use greece as an example) would my baby be Greek? No, it has genuine English parents so English blood and there would be nothing Greek about the baby (other than the fact that its mother happened to give birth to it while she was over there).

That's just stupid. You're say for them to abandon their own culture. The UK is one of the most accepting and tolerant societies in the world - and your hypothetic "if I was..." seems nothing more than "if you're brown, you're not english", which in my view is pure nonsense.

[Seatherny]

About hoodies, they are only intimidating when you are in a rough area. Most people (including Asians) that are wearing hoodies in an average town are actually ok. In my local town you do see quite a few people wearing hoodies at night but like I said, they don't mean any harm and as long as you mind your own business they don't even attempt to communicate/intimidate you. However, when I see Asians wearing them masks I don't think "Oh my God it's a terrorist!", after the shock of seeing someone wearing a black mask like thing on their face with only their eyes exposed I would then start to think "Is it someone wearing a balaclava or is it an Asian?". I never take risks though, I would usually cross the road if it's dark and I'm not 100% sure about them. Even in the daylight it can be quite a shocking thing to suddenly see someone wearing a mask like thing with only their eyes exposed. I am still unsure as to why they even need to wear them? Like in the desert were sand can be quite a nuisance it is understandable, same with a hot country, they would be useful to keep you cool and shade you from the sun. I admit that I know only a tiny thing about different religions but is it because they have a dress code in their religion to hide their hair? Then some take it to the next level and wear them masks? It really isn't needed, you talk about us all being the same and having equal rights so what makes your hair so superior to ours that they feel the need to cover it up and prevent us from seeing it? (assuming that is what it's for) Same with the face covering too.


Well thank you for stating the obvious. Saying "most people usually find people with hoodies more threatening than people with religious scarfs" is hardly fair. Obviously if you looked at someone and knew that it was a religious scarf you won't feel threatened, however when you are not expecting it or you can see one in the near distance it can be terrifying as you do not know if it is an Asian, they look extremely similar to balaclavas or some sort of thing they have used to hide their identity. I apologize for using words such as "infested" and "breed" in your presence but it's the norm in my life. At school, at home, around my area, we don't get on very well with Asians and you can't deny that they like to crowd small areas or in some cases crowd rather large areas. Then you may call me ignorant for saying that they have loads of children (which is why I used the word breed) but they seriously do have babies like there's no tomorrow. They always seem to have larger low cost vehicles to fit all the family in too.

It is understandable for you to be so defensive about Asians, but to be honest if I moved to a different country and I noticed that a large amount of people were not happy with me I would respect the fact that it is their country and certainly not leave but try to sort things out. If I was an Asian living here I would get rid of my distinctive beard, get rid of my skirt and tracksuit bottoms combination, remove my turban/head scarf mask thing, get rid of my toyota/nissan and move away from an area full of people that are of the same nationality as me. You want to call yourselves English yet you look nothing like us (not talking about skin colour here). Besides, just because you were born here doesn't really make you English. You may be an English citizen but if I was slightly older and went on holiday with my pregnant wife and she had the baby in that country (lets use greece as an example) would my baby be Greek? No, it has genuine English parents so English blood and there would be nothing Greek about the baby (other than the fact that its mother happened to give birth to it while she was over there).

Most people who wear hoodies = chavs. Simple as.
Its only woman who wear the thing over their faces and its usually easy to tell they are Muslims. There is a big distinction between a Muslim woman wearing the scarf and a man with a balaclava. You may want to go to the opticians if you disagree.
If you are unsure why they need to wear it, then Google it. Its their culture, they can do it if they want to. They don't like any woman wearing short skirts and stuff when they go on holiday to Asians countries but they don't moan do they?

Again, referring back to your reply to my post, if you cant tell the difference between a Muslim woman and a man with a balaclava, go to the opticians.
Most Asians don't have a distinctive beard. Only a few do but you are just ignorant and see a few and go OMGZZZ THEY ALL WEAR IT!! RUNN!!1
They can wear what they want. They don't moan about what you wear when you go to their countries on holiday? They can drive what they want. Not everyone can afford good cars you know >.<
And why should they move away from people of their own nationality and culture? Its people like you who cause them to do this. Also houses in Longsight are generally cheaper, have Asians markets and people like being able to talk in their own language if they aren't very good at English (although most Asians I see now have excellent English!) and they like having a community where they can talk to people about their culture and stuff relating back home.
Also alot of white people have beards OMGGGGZZZ ALL WHITE PEOPLE HAVE BEARDS COS I SAW A WHITE DUDE WITH ONE AT UNI!1ZZ!!1Z

And most Asians don't call themselves "English". They say "British-Indian/Pakistani etc"

You obviously have ZERO clue about this stuff, you love seeing 1 person of a different colour doing something and automatically think they are all the same because you are a RACIST. I saw 2 white chavs on the back of the bus today, both with hoodies, swearing at people out of the window for no reason, playing loud music, singing like idiots, speaking in gangsta language OMGZZ NOT ENGLISHZ!!!
Then there were 2 Asians at the front, who did nothing but be quiet and mind their own business.

If you think I am lying, ask Tash., I was on the phone to her then.

[Tash.]

About hoodies, they are only intimidating when you are in a rough area. Most people (including Asians) that are wearing hoodies in an average town are actually ok. In my local town you do see quite a few people wearing hoodies at night but like I said, they don't mean any harm and as long as you mind your own business they don't even attempt to communicate/intimidate you. However, when I see Asians wearing them masks I don't think "Oh my God it's a terrorist!", after the shock of seeing someone wearing a black mask like thing on their face with only their eyes exposed I would then start to think "Is it someone wearing a balaclava or is it an Asian?". I never take risks though, I would usually cross the road if it's dark and I'm not 100% sure about them. Even in the daylight it can be quite a shocking thing to suddenly see someone wearing a mask like thing with only their eyes exposed. I am still unsure as to why they even need to wear them? Like in the desert were sand can be quite a nuisance it is understandable, same with a hot country, they would be useful to keep you cool and shade you from the sun. I admit that I know only a tiny thing about different religions but is it because they have a dress code in their religion to hide their hair? Then some take it to the next level and wear them masks? It really isn't needed, you talk about us all being the same and having equal rights so what makes your hair so superior to ours that they feel the need to cover it up and prevent us from seeing it? (assuming that is what it's for) Same with the face covering too.


Well thank you for stating the obvious. Saying "most people usually find people with hoodies more threatening than people with religious scarfs" is hardly fair. Obviously if you looked at someone and knew that it was a religious scarf you won't feel threatened, however when you are not expecting it or you can see one in the near distance it can be terrifying as you do not know if it is an Asian, they look extremely similar to balaclavas or some sort of thing they have used to hide their identity. I apologize for using words such as "infested" and "breed" in your presence but it's the norm in my life. At school, at home, around my area, we don't get on very well with Asians and you can't deny that they like to crowd small areas or in some cases crowd rather large areas. Then you may call me ignorant for saying that they have loads of children (which is why I used the word breed) but they seriously do have babies like there's no tomorrow. They always seem to have larger low cost vehicles to fit all the family in too.

It is understandable for you to be so defensive about Asians, but to be honest if I moved to a different country and I noticed that a large amount of people were not happy with me I would respect the fact that it is their country and certainly not leave but try to sort things out. If I was an Asian living here I would get rid of my distinctive beard, get rid of my skirt and tracksuit bottoms combination, remove my turban/head scarf mask thing, get rid of my toyota/nissan and move away from an area full of people that are of the same nationality as me. You want to call yourselves English yet you look nothing like us (not talking about skin colour here). Besides, just because you were born here doesn't really make you English. You may be an English citizen but if I was slightly older and went on holiday with my pregnant wife and she had the baby in that country (lets use greece as an example) would my baby be Greek? No, it has genuine English parents so English blood and there would be nothing Greek about the baby (other than the fact that its mother happened to give birth to it while she was over there).

Well all I have to say is you're a very lucky person. So many people have been stabbed or assaulted by groups of hoodies for simply asking them not to do something that they should not be doing. Some people have even been stabbed/assaulted for doing nothing but look at them wrong. Perhaps you aren't intimidated by them because these people are the ones you hang around with? I certainly would not be suprised. Like Saurav said, I fail to see how you could mistake a woman in a hijab (or mask as you like to call it) and a person in a balaclava. Balaclavas for one thing are heavy garments made out of totally different material to a hijab and often a person wearing a balaclava will be wearing other items of clothing which would warn you as to the danger they pose to you. Like you've said, you don't know the reasons that certain people choose to wear these religious garments, so instead of judging them for it why don't you try and find out? Better yet, i'll tell you. Hijabs and other pieces of clothing worn by muslim women are there to protect modesty. In Islam, it's not seen as correct for a woman to be seen in public in less than adequate or revealing clothes (and their idea of revealing may be very different to yours or mine). It has absolutely nothing to do with them feeling superior to you or me, they see it as a religious requirement.

On the whole argument about them supposedly having many children, I aren't sure why you're picking on these people? There are thousands of white people in the UK that have more than 2/3 children, so why are you not referring to them using words such as 'infested' and 'breeding'. Personally I think using those words to describe any human being is wrong, but if you want to use them at least don't discriminate with your use. Perhaps these people do use what you call "larger low cost" vehicles, but what does this have to do with anything? Again, like Saurav said, these people may not have the money to afford a newer car, maybe they see no use in buying a newer car when they can get an older one which gets them from A to B. It's really none of your business which cars they use or how many kids they have, some of the people you are judging may well work very hard to look after their family, you do not know their personal circumstances.

And finally, because i'm getting pretty bored of writing now, have you ever considered that these people might want to live together to avoid being abused by racists such as yourself? You're moaning because they live together, but I can't see you being very happy if they moved into your street, then you'd be moaning that they are 'taking over'. Let's face it, you're moaning because you're a racist xenophobe. And yes, if you are born here it does make you English. You won't have lived anywhere else, so you won't have a passport for anywhere but here? Of course if we use your example of a person giving birth whilst on holiday abroad, then no they aren't going to be greek because you aren't living there and you don't intend to. Nobody has 'genuine english blood' we are all descended from immigrants, I myself am a quarter irish. If you are born here and are brought up in this country you will pick up the language, the culture, the accent and all the things which make us English. I think it might be time you stopped this tirade against asian people because it's fuelled completely by ignorance and down right dislike for anyone remotely foreign.

[Seatherny]

Then you may call me ignorant for saying that they have loads of children (which is why I used the word breed) but they seriously do have babies like there's no tomorrow. They always seem to have larger low cost vehicles to fit all the family in too.

I didnt see that bit.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1230142/Pregnant-mother-13-says-I-having-babies-I-twins.html

OMG I BET SHE WAS ASIAN AND PAINTED HER SKIN TO BE WHITE!!! A white person can never "breed" so many children!!!1

And just a little fact, Muslims aren't allowed to use condoms (that is what many Muslims have told me).

Do your homework little boy.

Like Tash. said, with Mint, there is no winning for Asians. Live in a community with Asians = lose. Live near Mint = lose. Damn! Us Asians can't win :( Oh well. :(

[Goraz]

Firstly I want to make sure this thread stays clean from any racism. I think I get the perm ban for anything I do wrong now and I have been given a final warning about a racist attitude. I don't want this thread to end up being closed for this post containing racism so I will keep it as clean as possible and I apologise if anything still manages to offend you.

Right, I get called racist on here a lot, I have many, many, many infractions and warnings for posting racist things too. I just want to know if you think it is my fault.

I live in Manchester, there are many parts of Manchester that Indians/Pakistanis have what you could call taken over. They like to all live next to each over and this can stretch to taking over massive areas. In a nice, non offensive way you could say that driving through these areas feels a bit like driving through a different country, India or Pakistan for example. For many patriotic English people this can be quite heart breaking, seeing your country being slowly taken over, bit by bit. Some people may not have a problem with this but my journey to school involves getting on the bus up and down the main road. For several years I have been getting the same bus down the same road and there has always been a muslim school in between my house and school so obviously a lot of them get on/off the bus there. So morning and afternoon on my way to and from school has always involved getting on a bus that is often full of Indians/Pakistanis and this could be the case of were a few spoil it for them all. These troublesome, manor-less, cheeky school children have convinced me that all the people of their race are like them to put it bluntly. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, I just don't know. I get the bus alone and have been involved in 2 fights on the bus after them starting on me for no reason whatsoever while I have been sat there minding my own business. Then my parents, they are also a reason that I may appear to be so racist. They have had many bad moments with Indians/Pakistanis in their time and have told me that it's up to me to decide whether or not I like them but have also told me many stories and statistics about them. Then I have had other problems with them. There are 3 Pakistanis in my year, one of them sits next to me in ICT and has shown me pictures of his friends on facebook holding massive, real guns. The way he talks (as do a lot of them) "yeh gee innit man" kind of thing gets on my nerves too (again I don't intend to offend anyone). He once said that all the greatest boxers and singers are muslim which was out of the blue because at the time I think we were talking about football... It was also as if he was trying to say that muslims are better than us etc. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that just like saying "all the best ____ are catholics"? You just wouldn't say something like that, especially in a place full of people who are not the same religion. I have had many encounters with Indians and Pakistanis and they have always been bad, it has turned me into someone that dislikes Indians and Pakistanis which is not fair. I know some very nice ones and even they agree that a few spoil it for the rest. This has all lead me to automatically dislike any of them which is indeed stupid and unfair towards them.

I apologize again if any of this may sound offensive but I have done my best to write this in a way that isn't offensive.

So is this really my fault? There are many other people like me and It annoys me when people say that they hate me because I am racist when I personally don't think it's my fault. Also, is racist really the right word? Racist means to call someone because of the colour of their skin and I am talking about their Nationality. I have never called an Indian/Pakistani because of their skin and wouldn't see the point in doing so, it's just skin.
You truly have baffled me on this, shocking behavior.

[-:Undertaker:-]

And just a little fact, Muslims aren't allowed to use condoms (that is what many Muslims have told me).

That is of no concern to us and this country, thats a personal and stupid choice that they take then which puts at risk both themselves and other people they are having sexual intercourse with. On Mint himself, I do think he goes a bit far sometimes and delves too far into race issues (although if he does not support multi-culturalism and immigration then thats entirely up to him).

On the other hand we have people such as yourself who seem to think that anyone who opposes mass and uncontrolled immigration (myself and UKIP) are racist and that anybody who dares question the holocaust (a very small minority) is automatically racist and should be punished for their views.

[Seatherny]

Where have I said I believe anyone who opposes mass and uncontrolled immigration is a racist? I have actually said I dislike people who come here just to live off benefits.

So you are ignorant too? Or are you saying that simply because of my lovely signature?

[Tash.]

That is of no concern to us and this country, thats a personal and stupid choice that they take then which puts at risk both themselves and other people they are having sexual intercourse with. On Mint himself, I do think he goes a bit far sometimes and delves too far into race issues (although if he does not support multi-culturalism and immigration then thats entirely up to him).

On the other hand we have people such as yourself who seem to think that anyone who opposes mass and uncontrolled immigration (myself and UKIP) are racist and that anybody who dares question the holocaust (a very small minority) is automatically racist and should be punished for their views.

Congratulations, you just succeeded in referring to the choices of many strict catholics as "stupid". Catholics also are not supposed to use contraception, and as a result often they have many children too, although the majority will be white and "British" so of course lets ignore that shall we?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Where have I said I believe anyone who opposes mass and uncontrolled immigration is a racist? I have actually said I dislike people who come here just to live off benefits.

So you are ignorant too? Or are you saying that simply because of my lovely signature?

Your own opinion fits the UKIP immigration policy then if that is the case.


Congratulations, you just succeeded in referring to the choices of many strict catholics as "stupid". Catholics also are not supposed to use contraception, and as a result often they have many children too, although the majority will be white and "British" so of course lets ignore that shall we?

They are stupid aswell, thats another reason why I don't hold much respect for the Pope as the AIDS epidemic is out of control across the world, and in Africa where they need his help the most he totally ignores the common sense behind contrapceptives.

Where do you get this idea from that I give a damn about skin colour?

[Tash.]

They are stupid aswell, thats another reason why I don't hold much respect for the Pope as the AIDS epidemic is out of control across the world, and in Africa where they need his help the most he totally ignores the common sense behind contrapceptives.

Where do you get this idea from that I give a damn about skin colour?

Actually the white comment was for the benefit of Mint, the British part was for you. You wrote that it is "of no concern to us or this country", that indicates you do not count them as part of this country. So i was merely giving you an example of people who have lived here for decades perhaps centuries which are also doing the same as these people.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Actually the white comment was for the benefit of Mint, the British part was for you. You wrote that it is "of no concern to us or this country", that indicates you do not count them as part of this country. So i was merely giving you an example of people who have lived here for decades perhaps centuries which are also doing the same as these people.

If they are not intergrating into this country then I don't count them as part of this country, same as with all the white, British people sitting on benefits who commit crimes and get away with it. I've made it known I support immigration before, I don't know how much I have to say this to get it across to people. I just don't agree with the way immigration is managed in its current form.

[Seatherny]

No, my immigration policy is much different to the racist UKIP.

Anyone please dont turn another thread into UKIP Discussions.

[-:Undertaker:-]

No, my immigration policy is much different to the racist UKIP.

Anyone please dont turn another thread into UKIP Discussions.

What is your immigration policy then and whats its differences compared to UKIP?

On the subject, the debate has turned wildly throughout and has still kept the same line, racism. There is not a problem with going from the BNP to UKIP - its a healthy debate.

[Seatherny]

Its never been about the BNP. Its been about Mint and his racist views. Are you saying as Mint is racist and you think its about BNP, BNP are raicists too? :)

If you want to discuss the UKIP, make a new thread. Stop changing this threads topic.

[Mint]

There is a big distinction between a Muslim woman wearing the scarf and a man with a balaclava. You may want to go to the opticians if you disagree.

Most Asians don't have a distinctive beard. Only a few do but you are just ignorant and see a few and go OMGZZZ THEY ALL WEAR IT!! RUNN!!1

Also alot of white people have beards OMGGGGZZZ ALL WHITE PEOPLE HAVE BEARDS COS I SAW A WHITE DUDE WITH ONE AT UNI!1ZZ!!1Z

You obviously have ZERO clue about this stuff, you love seeing 1 person of a different colour doing something and automatically think they are all the same because you are a RACIST. I saw 2 white chavs on the back of the bus today, both with hoodies, swearing at people out of the window for no reason, playing loud music, singing like idiots, speaking in gangsta language OMGZZ NOT ENGLISHZ!!!
Then there were 2 Asians at the front, who did nothing but be quiet and mind their own business.

If you think I am lying, ask Tash., I was on the phone to her then.
If you was shown an Asian woman wearing a scarf mask at quite a close range then you would obviously realise that it was an Asian wearing a scarf mask. However, good eyesight or not, it will always be a shock to suddenly see one of them. When you see someone, you automatically expect them just to be the typical man or woman, however when you turn around to see someone with what looks to be like a black mask with only their eyes exposed this can create something called shock. :rolleyes: You may be used to seeing them but many British people aren't (unless they live in an area that is full of them).

You hardly ever see English people with beards, if you do they are nearly always elderly.

Also, can you please stop telling us these stories about English people behaving badly on busses as you have already told us enough? Thanks.


Like Saurav said, I fail to see how you could mistake a woman in a hijab (or mask as you like to call it) and a person in a balaclava. Balaclavas for one thing are heavy garments made out of totally different material to a hijab and often a person wearing a balaclava will be wearing other items of clothing which would warn you as to the danger they pose to you.
On the whole argument about them supposedly having many children, I aren't sure why you're picking on these people? There are thousands of white people in the UK that have more than 2/3 children, so why are you not referring to them using words such as 'infested' and 'breeding'.

You're moaning because they live together, but I can't see you being very happy if they moved into your street, then you'd be moaning that they are 'taking over'. Let's face it, you're moaning because you're a racist xenophobe. And yes, if you are born here it does make you English. You won't have lived anywhere else, so you won't have a passport for anywhere but here? Of course if we use your example of a person giving birth whilst on holiday abroad, then no they aren't going to be greek because you aren't living there and you don't intend to. Nobody has 'genuine english blood' we are all descended from immigrants, I myself am a quarter irish. If you are born here and are brought up in this country you will pick up the language, the culture, the accent and all the things which make us English.

I'm sure I have already said this but in the dark (especially in winter when it goes dark at like 3pm) my daily life can sometimes be quite jumpy. If I walked around a corner and was confronted by a figure wearing all black (yes a lot wear black scarf masks and black rag-like dresses) it scares the hell out of me and I have embarrassed myself more than once after jumping back. You say that balaclavas are made from heavier materials/garments but in the dark you just can't tell the difference between the materials.

About why I don't say that English people infest areas is because it would be impossible for them to do so as they live here anyway. I know that is a poor explanation but I can't think of a better way to put it. Just imagine if England never had people immigrating here, obviously English people would live everywhere because they are the only ones here so it would be impossible not to. Yet when immigrants come over a lot just decide to live in an area full of other people of the same nationality. *Removed*

You might be right in saying if they live together I won't be happy and if one moved in on my street I wouldn't be happy. But at least if one did move in on my street I would get to know their culture, learn more about them and that could change my opinion on Asians as a whole. But they just don't, they take over areas and transform it into something similar to home. Asian clothing shops, Asian food stores, Cash and carries etc. This is a new thought, maybe it's as if they don't want to be English. By living together with their same Nationality, same smell of food, same stores etc it's as if they are living on English land but have built their home back on it, they obviously don't communicate with English people often so it really must feel like they are living back home.

You say you are a quarter Irish but are you sure one of your relatives wasn't just born there...? :rolleyes: In my mind you would only be a quarter Irish if one of your relatives had a baby with a real Irish person.

I didnt see that bit.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1230142/Pregnant-mother-13-says-I-having-babies-I-twins.html

OMG I BET SHE WAS ASIAN AND PAINTED HER SKIN TO BE WHITE!!! A white person can never "breed" so many children!!!1

And just a little fact, Muslims aren't allowed to use condoms (that is what many Muslims have told me).

Do your homework little boy.


Congratulations, you have found an English person with 13 babies, point? Is your point that you can be ignorant and say that all English people have so many babies? Well it has backfired. I'm going to use that piece of news to counter attack you (lulz). First of all, I go to a school in Manchester that is like 90% white/black then the other 10% are Asian. Near my school is a primary school. At the end of the day when school finishes, parents pick their children up from primary school then also pick their older children up from high school with it being so close. Every single Asian person in my school that gets picked up will always be seen getting into a crammed full car with an average of 4/5 children in. I also experience massive Asian families cramming cars while driving around Manchester daily, that's why they tend to have rather large, low cost cars.

In that news link you nicely gave us it also says that she gets £50,000 per year benefits for having 13 children. That is almost 4 grand a year per child meaning like £10 per day for each child. There is no way a baby can cost so much to look after, even I don't spend that much per day and I'm a young man. But Tasha suggested this, she said that they might not have much money so it would be understandable for them to have more kids for more cash.

So is them not being allowed to use contraception the excuse they have for having so many kids? I'm disgusted at how far they go to get their own way. :P

Quit the "little boy" attitude please, it doesn't suit you lol.

I'm bored of writing massive essays about this now. My opinion will not change and if anything you will only make it worse. Some Indian lad coming on a majority English forum with "If I had a pound for every time a non-white said they are in the BNP I would have £0" and "UKIP are racist" is just cheeky and asking for trouble. I wouldn't go on an Asian forum and argue about something like this, just like I wouldn't go into an Asian area and argue about something like this. I just keep myself to myself but will always retaliate if someone else starts on here.

Edited by Jamesy (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not make offensive and racist comments.

[Seatherny]

How is me expressing my political views causing trouble? So you are saying if I live in this country, I should not express my opinions. LOL. And my school also had alot of asians, only 1 child had a big family. Have you ever thought the kids might be getting a lift home? You are just ignorant. Most asian families dont have more than 3 kids. I am asian and I know ALOT of asians so I obviously know more than you do about this.


Well it has backfired. I'm going to use that piece of news to counter attack you (lulz

Not really as mine was real news. I can just say OMGZ MY SCHOOL RIGHT, WHEN I GO OUT, IS INFESTED WITH WHITE PEOPE COS LIKE THERES NONE IN LONGSIGHT. I HATE HOW WHITE PEOPLE LIVE TOGETHER AND DONT LIVE IN LONGSIGHT!!!111!

Can I ask which area of Manchester you live in?

And I was telling you stories on badly behaved white boys as your posts earlier on seemed to make out it was only asians behaving badly ...


You hardly ever see English people with beards, if you do they are nearly always elderly.

Go to Oxford road :) Or Chorlton. Or Didsbury. Ok, not a full huge beard, but still one.

And whats your problem if they do have one? They can simply moan OMG HE DOESNT HAVE A BEARD!11!1!

[-:Undertaker:-]

Its never been about the BNP. Its been about Mint and his racist views. Are you saying as Mint is racist and you think its about BNP, BNP are raicists too? :)

If you want to discuss the UKIP, make a new thread. Stop changing this threads topic.

UKIP is central to the arguement, if you are going to make a claim about a political party then you have to face up to it with your own opinions. Do not tar UKIP with the BNP brush when you cannot even explain why UKIP are racist yourself and what is the difference in UKIPs' immigration policy compared to yours.

[Seatherny]

I believe it was you who mentioned UKIP first >.>

I made the claim in my SIGNATURE. That does not give you the right to turn a thread I am posting in about UKIP.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I believe it was you who mentioned UKIP first >.>

I made the claim in my SIGNATURE. That does not give you the right to turn a thread I am posting in about UKIP.

Indeed it probably was me who mentioned it first, I don't think I have said it wasn't me. To ask again what I did earlier, whats your immigration policy and how is it different to the UKIP policy?

It's all very well rallying around against Mint but you don't seem to be able to work out your own immigration policy yourself, yet are quick on the attack of the BNP, but more suprisingly, UKIP.

[Seatherny]

This thread has nothing to do with my immigration policy?

[-:Undertaker:-]

This thread has nothing to do with my immigration policy?

The thread has gone on from racism, immigration obbiously has been mentioned. Each thread does not have to be exactly to the topic title. Care to answer yet? - if not then we'll leave it there with no answer as its bringing the topic genuninely off-topic by going from racism/immigration to what the thread should be about.

[Seatherny]

I fail to understand why you turn every thread into peoples politics views? You obviously love politics and seem to argue with everyone who disagrees with you. >.< sad.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I fail to understand why you turn every thread into peoples politics views? You obviously love politics and seem to argue with everyone who disagrees with you. >.< sad.

You have done exactly the same here with Mint, the topic is political - unless you'd rather we all start talking about maths or art? - I don't argue, we're arguing now because you won't answer my question, I much prefer debate. As I said before, you obviously have no reply to my question so i'll end it on that note.

[Pix]

It honestly isn't your fault but if you think about it this doesn't just happen to you because a Indian/Pakistani may feel the same in a place thats surrounded by a load of other races. I think that every race has a bunch of idiots, correct me if im wrong. I think it's one of them situations where you just have to ignore them. Like you said, you know good Indians/Pakistanis aswell so rather than looking at it in a racial way why don't you look at the situation from another view. Instead of disliking the Indians/Pakistanis on the whole, just dislike the idiots that cause all this trouble.

[ifuseekamy]

You're xenophobic.

[Seatherny]

It honestly isn't your fault but if you think about it this doesn't just happen to you because a Indian/Pakistani may feel the same in a place thats surrounded by a load of other races. I think that every race has a bunch of idiots, correct me if im wrong. I think it's one of them situations where you just have to ignore them. Like you said, you know good Indians/Pakistanis aswell so rather than looking at it in a racial way why don't you look at the situation from another view. Instead of disliking the Indians/Pakistanis on the whole, just dislike the idiots that cause all this trouble.

That's what I have been trying to tell him, but he see's 1 idiot Asians and automatically thinks they are all the same.
He see's 1 idiot White person, and doesn't generalise because he is one so he knows not every white person is an idiot.

That's called plain ignorance.

[Mint]

That's what I have been trying to tell him, but he see's 1 idiot Asians and automatically thinks they are all the same.
He see's 1 idiot White person, and doesn't generalise because he is one so he knows not every white person is an idiot.

That's called plain ignorance.

Just because there are chav Asians isn't the only reason why I don't like them...

[Seatherny]

Man my street only has white families :( Wish they would spread out.

>.<

This argument is getting boring now hence others have stopped posting as they are fed up with you too.

[Mint]

Man my street only has white families :( Wish they would spread out.

>.<

This argument is getting boring now hence others have stopped posting as they are fed up with you too.

Did you not read my other post?


About why I don't say that English people infest areas is because it would be impossible for them to do so as they live here anyway. I know that is a poor explanation but I can't think of a better way to put it. Just imagine if England never had people immigrating here, obviously English people would live everywhere because they are the only ones here so it would be impossible not to. Yet when immigrants come over a lot just decide to live in an area full of other people of the same nationality. That is why I said infested, they infest areas.

In case you didn't notice, this is a Habbo fansite. That means most people on here don't go outside, if they have stopped playing habbo they are still likely to be geeks that never leave the house. What I mean by this is they don't really know about the problems Asians bring in the real world so obviously they won't see many reasons to dislike Asians. It's just so disappointing that England is increasingly being used as a place to come for a new free/cheap lifestyle. In the olden days we would of took none of it, would of sent you all right back. Now we are in a society like today we just let you all flood in. More and more people are realising this, they want to keep Britain British so are voting for political parties such as the UKIP and BNP. I would have the biggest smile on my face to see them getting deported. :D

[Seatherny]

If you notice, BNP actually received less votes this time. Many people do go outside, maybe you don't, hence you obviously dont realise the benefits Asians bring aswell.

[syko2006]

From the looks of stuff, your personal experience with people from an ethnic background have been bad experiences. But ask yourself, does this give you the right to take it out on all other people from an ethnic origin? Just because you have an argument with a couple of foreign people, it doesn't mean you have to completely hate the race that they come from. So in response to the thread title, my opinion is YES. You are to blame.

[le harry]

COME TO AUSTRALIA WE HAVE LEBS AND AZNS

[Mint]

If you notice, BNP actually received less votes this time. Many people do go outside, maybe you don't, hence you obviously dont realise the benefits Asians bring aswell.

Well, I certeinly do realise the benefits they steal as well.

Unemployment is at an all time high now, what do you have to say about the Asians that do have jobs and any English people that can't get jobs? I'm not sure if it's just my area or not but my local KFC, Mcdonalds, Asda, Argos, boots, Tesco, Morrisons and Cinema etc has mainly Asian workers. My sister has recently applied to work at Asda, Argos and Somerfield but the demand for jobs is so high yet the amount of jobs is low compared. You say that Asians also create jobs, not only do I think that it is very rare for them to create jobs (unless it is for their own nationality like resteraunts were it is understandable for them to need their own nationality to cook the food and maintain the reputation of the restaurant) but even if they do create other jobs such as a taxi firm, in Manchester nobody can deny that an extremely high percentage of taxi drivers/firms are Asian. Knowing that tomorrow there will be Asians going to work and English people stuck at home struggling trying to find a job makes me sick. If I could wave a magic wand I would deport all the Asians, allow all the English people to get the jobs that they have the right over any Asians to have, then any important jobs that have not been taken such as doctors/nurses (there are a lot of nice Asians who work all around the NHS, so many that there might not be enough English with the right education to take the empty jobs) and then obviously there will be the unliked jobs such as cleaning that any Asians would take. Then BAM, borders closed. That would solve any hate towards them and we could all get on well. However that is just a dream, in reality it's far different.

But yeh, I don't think I have been what you could call "racist" at all in this post, I have simply explained the situation and a solution (if I could work magic but still nevertheless a solution :P) of the unemployment.

[Nemo]

Well, I certeinly do realise the benefits they steal as well.

Unemployment is at an all time high now, what do you have to say about the Asians that do have jobs and any English people that can't get jobs? I'm not sure if it's just my area or not but my local KFC, Mcdonalds, Asda, Argos, boots, Tesco, Morrisons and Cinema etc has mainly Asian workers. My sister has recently applied to work at Asda, Argos and Somerfield but the demand for jobs is so high yet the amount of jobs is low compared. You say that Asians also create jobs, not only do I think that it is very rare for them to create jobs (unless it is for their own nationality like resteraunts were it is understandable for them to need their own nationality to cook the food and maintain the reputation of the restaurant) but even if they do create other jobs such as a taxi firm, in Manchester nobody can deny that an extremely high percentage of taxi drivers/firms are Asian. Knowing that tomorrow there will be Asians going to work and English people stuck at home struggling trying to find a job makes me sick. If I could wave a magic wand I would deport all the Asians, allow all the English people to get the jobs that they have the right over any Asians to have, then any important jobs that have not been taken such as doctors/nurses (there are a lot of nice Asians who work all around the NHS, so many that there might not be enough English with the right education to take the empty jobs) and then obviously there will be the unliked jobs such as cleaning that any Asians would take. Then BAM, borders closed. That would solve any hate towards them and we could all get on well. However that is just a dream, in reality it's far different.

But yeh, I don't think I have been what you could call "racist" at all in this post, I have simply explained the situation and a solution (if I could work magic but still nevertheless a solution :P) of the unemployment.
Then our society will not be as good. Let me explain;

If the asians are being hired, it is because they are better than the english (generally) at said job. Now if you give a english person said job, simply because they are english when there is clearly a better asian person, and give the jobs that either the english are too unskilled for or dont want to do, make our society worse?

Just sayin'

[Jamesy]

Knowing that tomorrow there will be Asians going to work and English people stuck at home struggling trying to find a job makes me sick

...and what if these asians are full british citizens? There might be a reason the white people are sat at home - in many cases scrouging benefits.

If that makes you sick then you have serious issues with modern society. This attitude may have been 'acceptable' a hundred years or more so again but in this day and age your views are incredibly racist.



If I could work magic I would deport all the Asians, allow all the English people to get the jobs that they have the right over any Asians to have

What 'right' do you speak? The fact they are white? Yes lets deport all the asians :rolleyes: who work hard, except the minority who seem to only congregate around you.

[Mint]

Then our society will not be as good. Let me explain;

If the asians are being hired, it is because they are better than the english (generally) at said job. Now if you give a english person said job, simply because they are english when there is clearly a better asian person, and give the jobs that either the english are too unskilled for or dont want to do, make our society worse?

Just sayin'
As I said, any jobs left that English people have not been able to take because of education then that is where the Asians will come in handy. I never said that we could survive without the help of other nationalities but simply said that we deserve the first pick, if we are too unskilled for the job we chose then we would have to choose another.

...and what if these asians are full british citizens? There might be a reason the white people are sat at home - in many cases scrouging benefits.

If that makes you sick then you have serious issues with modern society. This attitude may have been 'acceptable' a hundred years or more so again but in this day and age your views are incredibly racist.




What 'right' do you speak? The fact they are white? Yes lets deport all the asians :rolleyes: who work hard, except the minority who seem to only congregate around you.
Obviously we have English people sat at home not actually making an effort to get a job, if they refused to get a job while they could then do you know where I would send them? Out of England and into the Asian countries to starve to death in some poor slum. They don't deserve to live here if all they want to do is scrounge. English or not, I would value any hard working Asian more than I would value a scrounging English person. That is because I am not racist, I welcome any Asian people into this country that wish to work hard but an English person who is also willing to work hard must come first (which is the whole point of what I said I would do if I could wave a magic wand).

[Nemo]

As I said, any jobs left that English people have not been able to take because of education then that is where the Asians will come in handy. I never said that we could survive without the help of other nationalities but simply said that we deserve the first pick, if we are too unskilled for the job we chose then we would have to choose another.


You've missed the point that i tried to bold for you. Im not saying unskilled, im saying BETTER.

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not unskilled, BETTER.

Surely settling for 2nd best because of where they're from will make our work system, in theory, worse.

no?

[le harry]

Mint - you're digging yourself into a deeper hole. Shh.

[Seatherny]

Well, I certeinly do realise the benefits they steal as well.

Unemployment is at an all time high now, what do you have to say about the Asians that do have jobs and any English people that can't get jobs? I'm not sure if it's just my area or not but my local KFC, Mcdonalds, Asda, Argos, boots, Tesco, Morrisons and Cinema etc has mainly Asian workers. My sister has recently applied to work at Asda, Argos and Somerfield but the demand for jobs is so high yet the amount of jobs is low compared. You say that Asians also create jobs, not only do I think that it is very rare for them to create jobs (unless it is for their own nationality like resteraunts were it is understandable for them to need their own nationality to cook the food and maintain the reputation of the restaurant) but even if they do create other jobs such as a taxi firm, in Manchester nobody can deny that an extremely high percentage of taxi drivers/firms are Asian. Knowing that tomorrow there will be Asians going to work and English people stuck at home struggling trying to find a job makes me sick. If I could wave a magic wand I would deport all the Asians, allow all the English people to get the jobs that they have the right over any Asians to have, then any important jobs that have not been taken such as doctors/nurses (there are a lot of nice Asians who work all around the NHS, so many that there might not be enough English with the right education to take the empty jobs) and then obviously there will be the unliked jobs such as cleaning that any Asians would take. Then BAM, borders closed. That would solve any hate towards them and we could all get on well. However that is just a dream, in reality it's far different.

But yeh, I don't think I have been what you could call "racist" at all in this post, I have simply explained the situation and a solution (if I could work magic but still nevertheless a solution :P) of the unemployment.

Clearly shows the Asians are much better than you sister :) Or she would have got a job by now. And companies want the best person for the job because thats how they work and they all want to make profit. You clearly have no idea about this. Why would a company hire a 2nd best who is white over a much more skillful Asian? Don't be silly. If you had any knowledge of how the real world works, you wouldn't be posting such utter crap. I think its you who knows very little about the real world, not other members of this forum.

My uncles sister in law has just been hired by UK Yahoo and she came over this week. They went to India and hired her and brought her here. To me that suggests they couldn't find anyone good enough here to do the job or they wouldn't have gone through the hassle to get her here.

And yes, most Taxis I see in Manchester are driven by Asians, but why aren't white people creating taxi firms then? I am sure they could easily compete. Its very easy to blame stuff on otherss :rolleyes:. You don't seem to know half the facts about how the world works.

[Gibs960]

I feel the same way, although I have nothing wrong with all indians its the odd few who sort of scare me on my way to school. It's even worse when you walk, which I do. And yes manchester is slowly being "taken over" sort of by indiands, well certain areas anyway.

[Seatherny]

I feel the same way, although I have nothing wrong with all indians its the odd few who sort of scare me on my way to school. It's even worse when you walk, which I do. And yes manchester is slowly being "taken over" sort of by indiands, well certain areas anyway.

2.7% Indian
6.1% Pakistani

There's more Pakistani's in Manchester. Again shows how ignorant people are :) They are brown, must be a Indian :rolleyes:

Overall 8.8%, yes, taking over.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I feel the same way, although I have nothing wrong with all indians its the odd few who sort of scare me on my way to school. It's even worse when you walk, which I do. And yes manchester is slowly being "taken over" sort of by indiands, well certain areas anyway.

This is my point. I want immigration to continue, in a way which benefits us. The present system does not benefit people. Multi-culturalism as it is now is not multi-cultural, its apartheid. Neighbourhoods should not be allowed to become racial ghettos, because that stirs up trouble for the future (as France had) aka the rivers of blood.

That is why uncontrolled immigration does not work.


2.7% Indian
6.1% Pakistani

There's more Pakistani's in Manchester. Again shows how ignorant people are :) They are brown, must be a Indian :rolleyes:

Overall 8.8%, yes, taking over.

He didn't mention Pakistanis, just like he didn't mention Koreans, Han Chinese, Japanese and so on. Indians will be generalised just like others have generalised that Asians are better than the English at work. Do remember there are 1.2 billion Indians so expect them to be generalised.

[Seatherny]

No he said Indians without looking at the figures. I really dont see the point you are making :S I hate how people see a brown person on the road and just think its a Pakistani or a Muslim.

No ones generalised that Asians are better than English at work. We are saying that if they are better then they will get the job, if the white person is better than they will get the job. Simple as.

[-:Undertaker:-]

No he said Indians without looking at the figures. I really dont see the point you are making :S I hate how people see a brown person on the road and just think its a Pakistani or a Muslim.

No ones generalised that Asians are better than English at work. We are saying that if they are better then they will get the job, if the white person is better than they will get the job. Simple as.

I'm saying that as there are 1.2 billion Indians on the planet, then as they are of brown complexion they will be generalised, rather than people naming every single brown coloured ethnic group on the Asian continent.

Just like the 'chinese' - there are so many different chinese ethnic groups, but all are generalised under Han Chinese. It makes sense anyway, as the former British Raj had Pakistan, India and Burma all under its territory and since India was the single biggest state to emerge from partition, people will generalise as 'Indian'.

[Seatherny]

But for people who live in Manchester, its common knowledge that Manchester has more Pakistanis while Birmingham has more Indians.

[Mint]

But for people who live in Manchester, its common knowledge that Manchester has more Pakistanis while Birmingham has more Indians.

It might matter to you but in reality people just don't care, it doesn't matter what nationality they are (Indian/Pakistani) as they will just be seen as the same.

And back to the jobs, what makes you say "oh an Asian must of got it they are better workers"? In actual fact there was no jobs left, the application sheets should of been removed weeks ago. Even if this was not the case and someone else did get the job, why do you say it was an Asian? When we are talking about Asda/Argos/Somerfield how can Asians be "better? Do they scan the products through the checkout faster or something? :rolleyes: The Matalan has pretty much only Asian workers, this is because it is in a part of rochdale that is full of them. The McDonalds in Oldham doesn't ever seem to have 1 Asian worker, this is because it is in a part of Oldham where you don't see any Asians. My point is, if the area surrounding the workplace happens to be full of Asians then there is obviously going to be a lot of Asians in that workplace. It's nonsense that Asians are better workers than English, what do you think happens in areas that don't have any Asians? They seem to get on fine, or even better in them really nice areas. Somerfield doesn't really have any Asian workers even though it is in an area that has quite a lot of them. When my brother use to work at Somerfield he said that apparently they didn't hire many of them because when they did they always seemed to form a friendship group with eachover and not really communicate much with the other workers, but that's a different story.

And about English people competing with taxi firms, I think English people prefer to drive black cabs around London, the backstreets of Manchester just isn't our style. :P

I love going to nice places such as the lake district/durham etc, reminds me of how England use to be. The only people that benefit from multi-culture society is them.

[Seatherny]

I'm not sure if it's just my area or not but my local KFC, Mcdonalds, Asda, Argos, boots, Tesco, Morrisons and Cinema etc has mainly Asian workers.

Seeing as thats the only example you gave, it to me suggested that the Asians got the job ... :S :S


And about English people competing with taxi firms, I think English people prefer to drive black cabs around London, the backstreets of Manchester just isn't our style.

I dont see why you are moaning then :S


It's nonsense that Asians are better workers than English, what do you think happens in areas that don't have any Asians?

There are actually many hard working English people who have had successes, I have never said Asians are better in general.

[Mint]

There are actually many hard working English people who have had successes, I have never said Asians are better in general.

You say that as if I should actually be surprised to see that there are many successful English workers, obviously there are, this is England? :S

[Seatherny]

Again you have taken it in a negative way. What you said seemed to me that you think that I said Asians are better than English people in general. I said that (what you quoted just now) to make it very clear that, that is not what I said. I believe that the person who is the best usually gets the job. Yes there are many times which they don't, but in the example you gave to me that its mainly Asians working in those shops, it to me indicates either:

1) those Asians had a better application than others
2) not many white people are in the area / applied

You never gave the example that there is an area with hardly any Asian workers in your initial post but then you go on to post it later :S Why not post it all at once because saying what you did in your initial post suggests that only Asians etc work in those shops and hence pretty much steal the jobs :S But when you say a shop rarely has any Asian workers, that changes the whole point of the argument. Make your mind up.

[-:Undertaker:-]

But for people who live in Manchester, its common knowledge that Manchester has more Pakistanis while Birmingham has more Indians.

Well as I said its a generalisation.

[Seatherny]

Well as I said its a generalisation.

Indeed, hence I have been referring to it as Asians and whites. But my point was that people see a Asian and automatically think PAKISTANI!! SO MUST BE A MUSLIM, SO MUST BE SO AND SO.
That is what annoys me. I have had people shouting **** at me on the street before and I just laugh at their ignorance. Some of these people have probably never heard of Sri Lanka or Bangladesh as they are complete and utter morons. They see a brown person and think it can only be a Pakistani.

Edited by invincible (forum Super Moderator): please don't avoid the filter by partially filtering a word.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Indeed, hence I have been referring to it as Asians and whites. But my point was that people see a Asian and automatically think PAKISTANI!! SO MUST BE A MUSLIM, SO MUST BE SO AND SO.
That is what annoys me. I have had people shouting **** at me on the street before and I just laugh at their ignorance. Some of these people have probably never heard of Sri Lanka or Bangladesh as they are complete and utter morons. They see a brown person and think it can only be a Pakistani.

Well thats a generalisation, you are Indian aren't you? - Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshians all come from the former British Raj. On the racism part, if you just experienced that then thats true racism, not the other stuff you have gone on about before on this forum.

[Seatherny]

Well thats a generalisation, you are Indian aren't you? - Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshians all come from the former British Raj. On the racism part, if you just experienced that then thats true racism, not the other stuff you have gone on about before on this forum.

I think you should read the 7th post of this thread :)

http://habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=6174165&postcount=7

[-:Undertaker:-]

I think you should read the 7th post of this thread :)

http://habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=6174165&postcount=7

A lot of that sounds as if it is racist then, that is true racism. However i'm not sure whether or not it was you, but I have been called racist on this forum for wanting to limit immigration in a controlled manner - that is not racism.

[Seatherny]

Nope that isnt racism and that wouldn't have been me.

[Mint]

Indeed, hence I have been referring to it as Asians and whites. But my point was that people see a Asian and automatically think PAKISTANI!! SO MUST BE A MUSLIM, SO MUST BE SO AND SO.
That is what annoys me. I have had people shouting *REMOVED* at me on the street before and I just laugh at their ignorance. Some of these people have probably never heard of Sri Lanka or Bangladesh as they are complete and utter morons. They see a brown person and think it can only be a Pakistani.

I'm not sure how I can explain this to you but if someone called you a *REMOVED* and you told them you was actually an Indian, it wouldn't change what they thought of you as now the word *REMOVED* isn't just used to call pakistanis but is also used to call other similar nationalities who are here in this country to. That person wouldn't of called you a *REMOVED* in your own country because there would be no reason to. It is only because you are in this country that he has hate towards your nationality (and similar ones). That's what I tried to say before, my parents both enjoy going to India regularly, they cannot stress how nice they all are over there but like many they dislike them for coming over and living here in massive numbers for many reasons.

Edited by invincible (Forum Super Moderator): Please don't avoid the filter

[Tash.]

I'm not sure how I can explain this to you but if someone called you a *REMOVED* and you told them you was actually an Indian, it wouldn't change what they thought of you as now the word *REMOVED* isn't just used to call pakistanis but is also used to call other similar nationalities who are here in this country to. That person wouldn't of called you a *REMOVED* in your own country because there would be no reason to. It is only because you are in this country that he has hate towards your nationality (and similar ones). That's what I tried to say before, my parents both enjoy going to India regularly, they cannot stress how nice they all are over there but like many they dislike them for coming over and living here in massive numbers for many reasons.

Edited by invincible (Forum Super Moderator): Please don't avoid the filter

I think the point is this, why is there hatred of other nationalities (no matter which we're talking about)in this country? People like yourself believe that everything that is wrong with this country is somewhat to blame on immigration of asian nationalities, it isn't. It's ignorance to think that, and you continue with it even when people have tried to explain to you that your views are racist and therefore unnacceptable. One of these days, you are going to say something along these lines that is going to get you into major trouble. Maybe then you'll realise just how seriously wrong what you're saying is.

[Nemo]

You've missed the point that i tried to bold for you. Im not saying unskilled, im saying BETTER.

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not unskilled, BETTER.

Surely settling for 2nd best because of where they're from will make our work system, in theory, worse.

no?I want reply pls mint

[Seatherny]

He has been replying to me via PM as he is afraid he might get more infractions or bans. I have asked him to give me permission to post them all in public so everyone can contribute. Lets see what he says.

[Seatherny]

And now he has been perm banned for being racist to me via PM. Some people will never learn ...

[Jamesy]

Since the original poster has been banned, if you wish to continuing debating the issue in a proper way - go here http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=616282 :)

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