Credit values ~ RV

[scottish]

I think these should be removed, or staff should update them properly.

For example in the categorized rare section half the values are wrong

Large jellyfish = 0.8CS = 10 creds

where 0.8CS is 8 creds according to habbox now, not 10.

half the rest of them on that page are wrong.

[-:Undertaker:-]

We have hundreds upon hundreds of rares to update, not to mention daily updates to the values which involves investigating and the fact that Elle today has been busy moving and correcting these things. We are only human and can only do so much at a time. It has been mentioned since the 16th December on Habbox Today that some of the miscellaneous credit values may be out of date and as far as my opinion goes, thats good enough aslong as we are doing our job properly by updating every day and adding missing items, something which Habbox hasn't had a good track record in the past and its something which is now being fixed.

[scottish]

Then if you can't do it remove the credit values? rather than giving completely wrong values because you don't have time to update it.......... common sense son

[Faboosh]

I am actually working on updating all the credit values right now. The Club Sofa was only updated recently and therefore everything with credit values will have changed and as there are many to update it does take a while.

[-:Undertaker:-]

If we removed the credit values that would mean taking exactly the same time to remove the values than to update the credit values, which would mean spending double the amount of time because we'd still have to put them back anyway. Our panel is not automatic, what you see below them rares is only some text which has been coded in bold.

..common sense applies both ways in all cases as shown by this example.

[scottish]

Common sense states don't implement something you don't have time to sort/update, which evidently you have already done..............

Different having credit values for normal rares but you don't need ones for categorized rares as theres thousands and its proven you don't take the time to update every single one of them so may aswell be removed so when the price of HC changed in future it doesn't take another while to update them all again

[Faboosh]

We are taking time to update them :S. It's worth having them on categorizes rares as it's a great convenice to users. Seeing as HFFM have credit values its definitely worth us having them too because people will get fed up working out the credit values and stop using our values. The Club Sofa value was only changed yesterday, it's not like we're taking weeks to sort the credit values and they should be corrected by tonight.

[-:Undertaker:-]

That is exactly why we have not updated right away, the Club Sofa was falling in value so we only updated the normal and super values for now and posted very clearly on Habbox Today on the 16th December that miscellaneous Credit Values will be wrong as we are still in the midst of updating, as I said before Elle is now updating and I think its pretty safe to do so now as the CS/C value appears to of stabilised. I think the fact that the 2 members of Rare Values Management are up at one o'clock in the morning still updating the values shows we're not taking a backseat.

[scottish]

we both know elles only up because shes a habbo addict

and HC price will probably increase again soon anyways, as after the christmas junk leaves the cat demand for creds wont be so high so presumably creds will drop again to about right price of 13-14c per HC hopefully ;)

Merged by Jamesy (Forum Super Moderator): Due to forum lag.

[Faboosh]

How did you know skot?!!?1::O:O:O

The demand for creds will still be as high when the Christmas furni leaves the catalouge due to the Marketplace trading only being in credits.

[AgnesIO]

All I shall say is an Automatic system has been talked about already.

However I do think instead of adding criticism every other day, you could perhaps post in constructively, maybe giving more example so we know what needs updating.

Cheers

[GommeInc]

Someone mentioned this a while ago. If you think of CS as £ and RD as Pence, you've got a mess of the pence becoming higher in value than the pound. It's like different currency rates, except in the same currency. Habbox is in a mess with their Rare Values now, but that's due to the sheer number of rares in existence. It's interesting that they don't just value everything in RD and have a calculator that totals up to CS if you want to trade in CS etc.

The system is getting updated anyway, or was when I talked to Mentor a few weeks ago (he's designing some sort of rare value editor of sorts) :)

[AgnesIO]

Someone mentioned this a while ago. If you think of CS as £ and RD as Pence, you've got a mess of the pence becoming higher in value than the pound. It's like different currency rates, except in the same currency. Habbox is in a mess with their Rare Values now, but that's due to the sheer number of rares in existence. It's interesting that they don't just value everything in RD and have a calculator that totals up to CS if you want to trade in CS etc.

The system is getting updated anyway, or was when I talked to Mentor a few weeks ago (he's designing some sort of rare value editor of sorts) :)

Correct.

As msyelf and Gomme have said a system/plan is being sorted at the moment.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Someone mentioned this a while ago. If you think of CS as £ and RD as Pence, you've got a mess of the pence becoming higher in value than the pound. It's like different currency rates, except in the same currency. Habbox is in a mess with their Rare Values now, but that's due to the sheer number of rares in existence. It's interesting that they don't just value everything in RD and have a calculator that totals up to CS if you want to trade in CS etc.

The system is getting updated anyway, or was when I talked to Mentor a few weeks ago (he's designing some sort of rare value editor of sorts) :)

The problem is that the credits are becoming such a strong currency, its like on the international markets when the currency was tied to the gold standard, the same thing is happening now where the others currencies (CS, RD, T) are all tied to the Gold prices. If credits rise much futher then we'll have to think about dropping the Club Sofa as the main currency.

[Sharon]

WAIT SO THE HC VALUE WILL BE GOING UP?!
Just what I need if so anyway.. got 8HC to be sold then :eusa_danc

[Mentor]

The problem is that the credits are becoming such a strong currency, its like on the international markets when the currency was tied to the gold standard, the same thing is happening now where the others currencies (CS, RD, T) are all tied to the Gold prices. If credits rise much futher then we'll have to think about dropping the Club Sofa as the main currency.

Its not really the same as the value of pence and pounds (our currency) are relative, although the gold value in relation to them will fluctuate, relative to each other £ and pence will remain stable.

In habbox rv case, you have swaped the pound for a gold peace, so on one day the pound is worth 100p the next 300p, then next 40p - which means no real value can be calculated. A £ always has to be 100p, having those points fixed means the fluctuation in value of one would always be reflected in the other so there values remain constant.
Have two entity's that fluctuate separately makes it very hard to really pin down what the value is based on.

In my mind it would always make sence to work out the value of rares purely in there credit or rd value. Then has thrones and club sofa's move, the values in those dominations would be in flux, but the core value of them would remain stable.

Which makes a lot more sense in terms of getting a workable system to calcuate this. Computers are logical after all and the current method, regardless of how its justified does not actually make a lot of sense "/

To be honest this is the key issue holding back the rv system these days "/

[-:Undertaker:-]

Its not really the same as the value of pence and pounds (our currency) are relative, although the gold value in relation to them will fluctuate, relative to each other £ and pence will remain stable.

In habbox rv case, you have swaped the pound for a gold peace, so on one day the pound is worth 100p the next 300p, then next 40p - which means no real value can be calculated. A £ always has to be 100p, having those points fixed means the fluctuation in value of one would always be reflected in the other so there values remain constant.
Have two entity's that fluctuate separately makes it very hard to really pin down what the value is based on.

In my mind it would always make sence to work out the value of rares purely in there credit or rd value. Then has thrones and club sofa's move, the values in those dominations would be in flux, but the core value of them would remain stable.

Which makes a lot more sense in terms of getting a workable system to calcuate this. Computers are logical after all and the current method, regardless of how its justified does not actually make a lot of sense "/

To be honest this is the key issue holding back the rv system these days "/

By that I meant the gold standard, when all currencies around the world were linked to the gold standard and the price of gold (the old British system). The same is happening now on Habbo, the currencies are attaching themselves to the gold prices whereas they used to be free-floating, just like the currency markets in the US-style of today.

If we remove the Club Sofa, that could effect a lot especially the super rare so we want to hang on to it as long as possible. It is still used as a currency, and could regain its former strength if credits drop off in the new year. On the case of valuing in RD, that would be silly as RD as a currency has rapidly lost any meaning over the past few years and only serves as a indicator of what rares are worth to normals.

[hah]

omg and people wonder why no one is joining Habbox, its Habbo and you are talking about the values of furni as if you are two 40 year old investors

[-:Undertaker:-]

omg and people wonder why no one is joining Habbox, its Habbo and you are talking about the values of furni as if you are two 40 year old investors

..or maybe their just sick of smart-alec replies to every thread by you.

[hah]

..or maybe their just sick of smart-alec replies to every thread by you.

really what 11-16 year old habbo player want to hear you ****e on about habbo values,gold and the british currency? no one, and thats the main reason this forum is not active. boring convos by people. you never see things like this on other fansites and thats why they are active

[-:Undertaker:-]

really what 11-16 year old habbo player want to hear you ****e on about habbo values and gold? no one, and thats the main reason this forum is not active. boring convos by people. you never see things like this on other sites

Hey i'm only suggesting it, calm down. If you want interesting convos then go and make them, instead of posting in the boring convos and making them even more boring - because thats what you are doing, your turning a simple boring thread into an even more boring thread.

[Robbie]

really what 11-16 year old habbo player want to hear you ****e on about habbo values,gold and the british currency? no one, and thats the main reason this forum is not active. boring convos by people. you never see things like this on other fansites and thats why they are active

Ours probably seem more 'boring' because the average age of users on this forum is higher than other forums, therefore the conversations and topics are probably going to be more 'in-depth' and 'intellectual'

[hah]

Hey i'm only suggesting it, calm down. If you want interesting convos then go and make them, instead of posting in the boring convos and making them even more boring - because thats what you are doing, your turning a simple boring thread into an even more boring thread.

i doubt anyone could be more boring than you and your eu/gayroleplay/habbo posts


Ours probably seem more 'boring' because the average age of users on this forum is higher than other forums, therefore the conversations and topics are probably going to be more 'in-depth' and 'intellectual'

ye and the new users you get aren't going to be old are they? no so they will see things like this and be like ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZ -leaves

[-:Undertaker:-]

Ours probably seem more 'boring' because the average age of users on this forum is higher than other forums, therefore the conversations and topics are probably going to be more 'in-depth' and 'intellectual'

He/she'll say threads are boring and have a go at people, but seems to have nothing interesting to say herself hence why prefers to have a go at other members.


i doubt anyone could be more boring than you and your eu/gayroleplay/habbo posts

oo we are nasty tonight aren't we, maybe i hit a nerve when i suggested that people are sick of smart-alec replies on every thread by you - yep i think i did.

so take some of your own advice and go and make some interesting threads, instead of commenting in the boring feedback thread which i'll admit are boring, but are only made even duller by your posts.

thats all i have to say to your posts, because i'm already bored stiff by them.

[hah]

He/she'll say threads are boring and have a go at people, but seems to have nothing interesting to say herself hence why prefers to have a go at other members.



oo we are nasty tonight aren't we, maybe i hit a nerve when i suggested that people are sick of smart-alec replies on every thread by you - yep i think i did.

so take some of your own advice and go and make some interesting threads, instead of commenting in the boring feedback thread which i'll admit are boring, but are only made even duller by your posts.

thats all i have to say to your posts, because i'm already bored stiff by them.


no you didn't hit a nerve, im always like this encase you didn't notice, but maybe thats cause you're to busy with Habbo, i dunno...

you call me boring yet your the one in a in-dept convo about rare values????? ok

[AgnesIO]

no you didn't hit a nerve, im always like this encase you didn't notice, but maybe thats cause you're to busy with Habbo, i dunno...

you call me boring yet your the one in a in-dept convo about rare values????? ok

Omg.

Someone playing a lot of habbo, who uses a HABBO forum. OMG NO WAY.

[hah]

Omg.

Someone playing a lot of habbo, who uses a HABBO forum. OMG NO WAY.

did i say it was a bad thing? no so go away and stop trying to get involved

[GommeInc]

did i say it was a bad thing? no so go away and stop trying to get involved
So why comment about it? It was about the Rare Values, as the thread suggested... The rare values are quite a mix of random numbers and sudden fluctuations when certain things go up. For example, if a RD Rubber Duck went up in value (somehow), would a Club Sofa go up too? Or anything priced between a RD and CS, if they went up, would the value of other items go up? It's like trading furniture in real life or other objects, near impossible without a common currency to determine their value.

[Seatherny]

I think the problem is that the RVR department tried to implement too much. They should really just keep it simple.

1coin = x RD

Show rares in RD or CS only. Have a system which automatically updated the CS value when its changed.

People can then work out themselves what the credit value is for a rare.

E.g.

1 coin = x RD
Club Sofa = 30 RD
Holo Boy = 60RD / 2CS
Mocha = 4 RD

Simples.

[Mentor]

By that I meant the gold standard, when all currencies around the world were linked to the gold standard and the price of gold (the old British system). The same is happening now on Habbo, the currencies are attaching themselves to the gold prices whereas they used to be free-floating, just like the currency markets in the US-style of today.

If we remove the Club Sofa, that could effect a lot especially the super rare so we want to hang on to it as long as possible. It is still used as a currency, and could regain its former strength if credits drop off in the new year. On the case of valuing in RD, that would be silly as RD as a currency has rapidly lost any meaning over the past few years and only serves as a indicator of what rares are worth to normals.

That leaves quite a few holes though as it would imply if i used rd i could obtain items worth far more than i would pay for them. As say as cs is worth 20 rd, since other prices arnt linked i could by i duno a mocca (making this up now) for 30rd, yet it could be worth 3 cs?
Without a single stable unit of value a workable system to keep track of prices beyoned the current update everything manually each time somthing changes, simply isnt possible "/

[-:Undertaker:-]

That leaves quite a few holes though as it would imply if i used rd i could obtain items worth far more than i would pay for them. As say as cs is worth 20 rd, since other prices arnt linked i could by i duno a mocca (making this up now) for 30rd, yet it could be worth 3 cs?
Without a single stable unit of value a workable system to keep track of prices beyoned the current update everything manually each time somthing changes, simply isnt possible "/

I don't quite get it but I will say this; currency does not determine value, demand and supply determine the values of individual rares like the Mochamaster and not the Club sofa or Credits. On the system as it is, the system works generally but at the moment (with the introduction of the marketplace and general rise in credits) it's looking more and more like the Club sofa will have to be dropped as a currency, people are starting to sell lower now for 9/8 C per Club sofa and rares in general seem to be detatching from the Club sofa and going more to Credits - which means gaps are beginning to show. I think for now we'll leave until the start of/mid January and then think about it. I just hope we don't have to and that the Club sofa stabilises or recovers in time.