Real Madrid are after Vidic..

[United-Clowgon]

They just can't keep their hands off. With all that money can't they invest in the team to produce "decent" homegrown players. :@


THE REAL MADRID WANTS TO SERB WITH PEPE GATHER TO HAVE THE BEST DEFENSE IN THE WORLD

Nemanja Vidic joins the list of galactic 2010
• The Serbian is considered one of the best in the world in his position and wants to leave England Homepage Ferguson, who knows he will not be able to keep him, and his replacement is elected: Bruno Alves · Metzelder out of contract

As development marks, Aguero, Villa, Rooney, in that order, are the cracks that shuffles Madrid to reinforce the attack in 2010.

But the newspaper MARK forward that there is another galaxy on the agenda. No scores goals, but is one of the world's best avoiding them. It's Nemanja Vidic.

The Serbian central Manchester United 28 years and recently named by FIFA as the best in the world in his position, along with Terry, is the great aim to reinforce next year behind.

The Serbs want to leave England and Alex Ferguson knows that he will retain power, as has already chosen his replacement Bruno Alves, central Porto.

Share selection with the lateral Ivanovic, also white target.


todays marca

Reports are saying they will be offering £20 Million. Uh uh. Vidic is up there with Terry, i think he's worth at least £45mill upwards.

I'm blaming the wife if he decides he wants to go. I think if he's having "thoughts" of moving abroad then i think he doesn't have the same desire as Ronaldo did when he wanted to leave.

I hope it's not up to the point where in Vidic's mind he's thinking I've won everything at united, I've made a name for myself and there's nothing more for me to achieve.

Time will tell suppose. I'm sure he'll be loyal to the biggest Club in the world and stay.

[AgnesIO]

45 million?

Only you would think that Clowgon.

[United-Clowgon]

45 million?

Only you would think that Clowgon.

People who watch the game inside out, people who WATCH Vidic will know that the Value of 40 + million is right. So please.. do not insult my intelligence. :)

Vidic is the best, if not, one of the best defenders in the world when he has his days. He's up their with JT.

I doubt you've watch him play most days. It's logical saying this if you don't. :rolleyes:

[AgnesIO]

People who watch the game inside out, people who WATCH Vidic will know that the Value of 40 + million is right. So please.. do not insult my intelligence. :)

Vidic is the best, if not, one of the best defenders in the world when he has his days. He's up their with JT.

I doubt you've watch him play most days. It's logical saying this if you don't. :rolleyes:

No because I watch real football xx

40 millions pounds is not worth any player. And considering Ronaldo (who is a midfielder - e.g. one of the most expensive positions to fill) went for 80, I cannot see Vidic worth 40.

[United-Clowgon]

No because I watch real football xx

40 millions pounds is not worth any player. And considering Ronaldo (who is a midfielder - e.g. one of the most expensive positions to fill) went for 80, I cannot see Vidic worth 40.

Tut tut.

A player is worth how much a Club(s) values him. A player is there to help bring success to the team but in most cases these days as you will find it with the big top clubs, they are also to help rank in the revenues hence it was one of Real Madrid's reasons why they bought in Ronaldo. - He's ranking them the money.

Omg? Are you serious. :P

RIO - 30+ mill - Proven to be an exceptional defender
Lescott - 22 Million - Hasn't proven his worth that much money.
(Just highlighting "some" of the big transfer deals payed by clubs over the years to sign defenders)

Sorry but a defender's job is as much as important as a Midfielder's one. - I can't believe your suggesting that this isn't the case? My gosh.

If you want to sign the best than you have to pay good money to get the best and i hate to break it to you sunshine, but Vidic is really worth 40+mill tops.

[Tash.]

40m? Are you crazy.. you cannot have seen him up against Torres because if you had you'd realise that he's actually fairly easily disrupted from his rhythm. I think this is proven by the fact that in every one of the last 3 games MU have played against Liverpool he's managed to get himself in a flap and then eventually sent off. Somehow I don't think this has happened to Terry..

[Smits]

40m may be a bit steep, but theres no argument, he is one of the ebst defenders in the game, deffinately up there with JT.

[United-Clowgon]

40m? Are you crazy.. you cannot have seen him up against Torres because if you had you'd realise that he's actually fairly easily disrupted from his rhythm. I think this is proven by the fact that in every one of the last 3 games MU have played against Liverpool he's managed to get himself in a flap and then eventually sent off. Somehow I don't think this has happened to Terry..

He's had 3 off games against Liverpool. It's normal for any player to experience this right? Messi, Ronaldo, Kaka... They've ALL had bad games but in they are each worth £60 Million plus... do you see where I'm coming from? :P

With Terry, the last few games has been a difficult time for him, in fact this last 2 months has been a nightmare for Terry and rest of the defence/Ptr Cech - lack of communication has resulted in goals slipping in from different angles and the cause of it has been defensive errors.

Terry is the Captin here, it's his job on the pitch to be the anchor in the communication side of things and so far over these last couple of games, he's failed to do so.

Funny thing is, he'll still be rated at 30mill plus.

[Immenseman]

I'd rather have him than Terry for sure. Anyway, I don't think he'd leave and if he did it wouldn't be the end of the world for United.

[AgnesIO]

Tut tut.

A player is worth how much a Club(s) values him. A player is there to help bring success to the team but in most cases these days as you will find it with the big top clubs, they are also to help rank in the revenues hence it was one of Real Madrid's reasons why they bought in Ronaldo. - He's ranking them the money.

Omg? Are you serious. :P

RIO - 30+ mill - Proven to be an exceptional defender
Lescott - 22 Million - Hasn't proven his worth that much money.
(Just highlighting "some" of the big transfer deals payed by clubs over the years to sign defenders)

Sorry but a defender's job is as much as important as a Midfielder's one. - I can't believe your suggesting that this isn't the case? My gosh.

If you want to sign the best than you have to pay good money to get the best and i hate to break it to you sunshine, but Vidic is really worth 40+mill tops.

I am not suggesting this is the case. However it is fact Strikers and Midfielders go for (normally) more thean Defenders and Goalkeepers.

Vidic isn't worth 40 million 'sunshine'.

I also cannot see how clubs such as Manchester United are allowed to be in 600 million pounds debt? It is the same with the other top clubs, but that shouldn't happen either.

If a team like Orient, Bristol ANY team not in the premiership went a few million in the red we would be chucked out the league.

[United-Clowgon]

I'd rather have him than Terry for sure. Anyway, I don't think he'd leave and if he did it wouldn't be the end of the world for United.

Ello Jake. ;)

Ye i suppose. Johnny is proving to be a huge talent and if Vidic were to go I'd fancy that Simon Kjaer guy he seems quite good.


I am not suggesting this is the case. However it is fact Strikers and Midfielders go for (normally) more thean Defenders and Goalkeepers.

Vidic isn't worth 40 million 'sunshine'.

I also cannot see how clubs such as Manchester United are allowed to be in 600 million pounds debt? It is the same with the other top clubs, but that shouldn't happen either.

If a team like Orient, Bristol ANY team not in the premiership went a few million in the red we would be chucked out the league.

Well that is true but you won't get a goalkeeper that's transfer fee has exceeded 12 million (highest ever paid for a keeper, i think) for a few more years. But today, people are seeing some of the world's best defenders, being valued and bought at prices that top class midfielder's are being valued and sold at.

And i'm afraid you thinking Vidic is not worth 40 mill is your opinion, "sunshine" Clubs with money are willing to pay that kind of money, even if it's a defender. I once again say look at some of the biggest transfer fees paid for defenders over the years.

[AgnesIO]

Ello Jake. ;)

Ye i suppose. Johnny is proving to be a huge talent and if Vidic were to go I'd fancy that Simon Kjaer guy he seems quite good.



Well that is true but you won't get a goalkeeper that's transfer fee has exceeded 12 million (highest ever paid for a keeper, i think) for a few more years. But today, people are seeing some of the world's best defenders, being valued and bought at prices that top class midfielder's are being valued and sold at.

And i'm afraid you thinking Vidic is not worth 40 mill is your opinion, "sunshine" Clubs with money are willing to pay that kind of money, even if it's a defender. I once again say look at some of the biggest transfer fees paid for defenders over the years.

You said yourself reports say Madrid will offer 20.

As I say if it happens then fair enough, just at the present time I do not think it will happen. WHo knows Imay be wrong :)

[adaym]

They have fantastic home grown talent. Gago, De la Red, Granero, Casillas, Ramos, Higuain.

[United-Clowgon]

You said yourself reports say Madrid will offer 20.

As I say if it happens then fair enough, just at the present time I do not think it will happen. WHo knows Imay be wrong :)

;)


They have fantastic home grown talent. Gago, De la Red, Granero, Casillas, Ramos, Higuain.

Well they must not be very happy with these current players if they are going after ours.

[-Heart]

People who watch the game inside out, people who WATCH Vidic will know that the Value of 40 + million is right. So please.. do not insult my intelligence. :)

Vidic is the best, if not, one of the best defenders in the world when he has his days. He's up their with JT.

I doubt you've watch him play most days. It's logical saying this if you don't. :rolleyes:
...What intelligence? You know nothing.

£45 million? Brb let me go laugh til I **** out my intestines.

[lBlue]

vidic wud neva ******* leave man united. fergie wudnt allow it. so **** off




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[Jack.Lfc]

http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab119/jacklfc456/Random%20stuff/vidictorres.jpg

[Smits]

I am not suggesting this is the case. However it is fact Strikers and Midfielders go for (normally) more thean Defenders and Goalkeepers.

Vidic isn't worth 40 million 'sunshine'.

I also cannot see how clubs such as Manchester United are allowed to be in 600 million pounds debt? It is the same with the other top clubs, but that shouldn't happen either.

If a team like Orient, Bristol ANY team not in the premiership went a few million in the red we would be chucked out the league.

Teams like united shouldnt be in debt to start with, but people like glazer are everywhere. The only reason united and other big clubs don't get chucked out is because they can afford the repayments. If all their 'fans' disspaeared and they made no more money, they should in theory face the same consequences as small clubs. Dunno if the FA would allow it though.

[Jack.Lfc]

We are in a mess.

But look at the mess portsmouth are in. :lol::lol::lol:

[StefanWolves]

I like how glory hunters enjoy reading tabloids and believe everything they write. Hilarious.

[CHA!NGANG]

Buffon went for over 30 mill. 25-30 mill for vidic considering his age.

[Jack.Lfc]

I'd be dissapointed if he left, when we play man u its always like we are playing v 10 men.. oh wait.

[Black_Apalachi]

I was actually going to say exactly the same as Jack and his pic is so ******* true!!!!

Clowgon, how can he be one of the best defenders in the world when he's scared ****tless of Torres?!!! I don't blame him for wanting to get out the prem! :lol:

[Soy]

£20M Is alot..

[AgnesIO]

£20M Is alot..

Sadly some of the premier league 'fans' have got confused, think 20 million is nothing.

They will be shocked when they see the salaries in 5 years.

[Browney]

20 million is not a lot considering Johnson went for 18million.

[AgnesIO]

In responce to the first sentance of this thread:


With all that money can't they invest in the team to produce "decent" homegrown players. :@

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={91EA3BE2-963A-4BAB-802C-F46A0EF3FCA3}&page=1 - that is hardly homegrown players. Yes I know the other two pages MIGHT have some (I dunno) but let's be honest, pretty much all the actual main squad are on the first page.

[Jordie]

I am not suggesting this is the case. However it is fact Strikers and Midfielders go for (normally) more thean Defenders and Goalkeepers.

Vidic isn't worth 40 million 'sunshine'.

I also cannot see how clubs such as Manchester United are allowed to be in 600 million pounds debt? It is the same with the other top clubs, but that shouldn't happen either.

If a team like Orient, Bristol ANY team not in the premiership went a few million in the red we would be chucked out the league.


Simple explanation for that. One rule for the bigger clubs another for the smaller.

[luce]

I'd rather have him than Terry for sure. Anyway, I don't think he'd leave and if he did it wouldn't be the end of the world for United.

Yeah but his wife doesn't like Manchester and SSN were talking about uniteds targets for replacements today so yeah i don't know if it's just talk but i know he has said she doesn't like where they're living :)!

[leah]

Vidic is nothing special in my opinion, can be easily replaced and 45 mil you're having a laugh.

[Black_Apalachi]

it's a lot of money k. we're basically giving dossena away for free ;l

[Browney]

Simple explanation for that. One rule for the bigger clubs another for the smaller.

Um... The bigger clubs (like United) are only allowed to go into debt if they can afford the repayments. I'd go as far to say Utd make 100 million every year.

75,000 (capacity at OT) x £35 (average ticket price) = 2,625,000
£2,625,000 x 19 (home games in a season, excl. FA Cup, CL, CC etc.) = £49,875,000

That alone repays the debt to stop United going under. "Yet Manchester United’s owners have never given any impression of being too concerned about the debt mountain itself, the payments for which were restructured two years ago and currently takes £45.5m annually out of United’s profits."

Then, add on jersey sales, TV revenue, Sponsorship from Hublot, Audi, never mind AIG, And THEN you have transfer sales.

Most recent I can find is this. (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/man-utd-fc/2009/04/10/huge-profit-for-manchester-united-fc-but-even-bigger-debt-55578-23356421/) This one's a bit out of date but hey-ho. (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/manchester_united/s/1118833_record_profit_for_united) And even before that they thought they were doing well. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/2782377/League-title-drives-Manchester-United-profits.html)

[AgnesIO]

Um... The bigger clubs (like United) are only allowed to go into debt if they can afford the repayments. I'd go as far to say Utd make 100 million every year.

75,000 (capacity at OT) x £35 (average ticket price) = 2,625,000
£2,625,000 x 19 (home games in a season, excl. FA Cup, CL, CC etc.) = £49,875,000

That alone repays the debt to stop United going under. "Yet Manchester United’s owners have never given any impression of being too concerned about the debt mountain itself, the payments for which were restructured two years ago and currently takes £45.5m annually out of United’s profits."

Then, add on jersey sales, TV revenue, Sponsorship from Hublot, Audi, never mind AIG, And THEN you have transfer sales.

Most recent I can find is this. (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/man-utd-fc/2009/04/10/huge-profit-for-manchester-united-fc-but-even-bigger-debt-55578-23356421/) This one's a bit out of date but hey-ho. (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/manchester_united/s/1118833_record_profit_for_united) And even before that they thought they were doing well. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/2782377/League-title-drives-Manchester-United-profits.html)

They might be making £100 million - before added costs. After that they lose millions. They should be told to pay half of it i a few years or they should be chucked out the football league. Or atleast be banned from getting players.

[Browney]

They might be making £100 million - before added costs. After that they lose millions. They should be told to pay half of it i a few years or they should be chucked out the football league. Or atleast be banned from getting players.

OK. 1. Have you read the links?

Regarding the costs argument... "Accounts to June 2008 reveal turnover at the club has risen an incredible 22% to £256.2m, underpinning a 7.5% increase in profits to £80.4m."

2. A loan is re payed in installments. I'll repeat.

"Yet Manchester United’s owners have never given any impression of being too concerned about the debt mountain itself, the payments for which were restructured two years ago and currently takes £45.5m annually out of United’s profits."

United won't go under, won't go bankrupt. They're repaying back enough on the loan to stay afloat. Think of it like a mortgage. The Glazer's took out a loan to buy a big red shiny shop. So they owe money to the bank. The shop makes money steadily and the Glazer's are paying enough back for them to keep their shop. There should be no reason for paying half of it back, that isn't in the terms of the loan.

[CHA!NGANG]

You seemed to have left out the biggest cost of them all, wages. Player wages must come to at least £50 Million a year, that's at least. Then the staff, manager, groundsmen e/t/c is another £5-10 Million and the running costs which are £5-10 million so it costs around £65 Million for that a year. The bulk of the ticket profit earned goes towards wages if not all of it. The money they make from sponsorship e/t/c goes towards the debts normally and the transfer fees are made up of money the owners pump in, along with the remaining sponsor money and that stuff. When you think of it, United must be getting £30-50 Million profit a year after wages and transfers which probably goes towards the debts so it will take at least 10 years to repay fully unless a big buyer comes in and sorts them out but the bottom line is that they can repay the debts over time. Smaller clubs have no guarantee of this, therefore they have to pay back the debts straight away as they have no way to prove they can pay it later. It's not favourtism it's just how things work.

[Browney]

You seemed to have left out the biggest cost of them all, wages. Player wages must come to at least £50 Million a year, that's at least. Then the staff, manager, groundsmen e/t/c is another £5-10 Million and the running costs which are £5-10 million so it costs around £65 Million for that a year. The bulk of the ticket profit earned goes towards wages if not all of it. The money they make from sponsorship e/t/c goes towards the debts normally and the transfer fees are made up of money the owners pump in, along with the remaining sponsor money and that stuff. When you think of it, United must be getting £30-50 Million profit a year after wages and transfers which probably goes towards the debts so it will take at least 10 years to repay fully unless a big buyer comes in and sorts them out but the bottom line is that they can repay the debts over time. Smaller clubs have no guarantee of this, therefore they have to pay back the debts straight away as they have no way to prove they can pay it later. It's not favourtism it's just how things work.

My "sums" were an estimate from a grade C Maths student. Check the links for more conclusive figures. And as such, it says in my first link the NET (after all the costs) profit is 80 million. Nevermind 30-50 million. And, United are in 650 million debt, they pay back 45 million a year. So you're right by the 10 years estimate, probably more.

[CHA!NGANG]

My "sums" were an estimate from a grade C Maths student. Check the links for more conclusive figures. And as such, it says in my first link the NET (after all the costs) profit is 80 million. Nevermind 30-50 million. And, United are in 650 million debt, they pay back 45 million a year. So you're right by the 10 years estimate, probably more.

£35-50 after transfers too. The 80 mill doesn't include transfers I don't think not sure.

[AgnesIO]

I think anyteam in debt should have a ban of buying players. Loaning should be allowed, but buying is outrageous when they don't have the money in the first place.

[CHA!NGANG]

Then no team will ever develop stadiums. You can't expect a team to afford a new stadium without a loan for example Arsenal. Saying that is like saying: No person should be able to buy anything if they have a morgage as they don't have the money to pay it off straight away, it's stupid..

If a team can't prove that they can't pay off there debt then a ban should be placed yes, but United can pay it off eventually, just like Arsenal can pay off the Emirates debt.

[AgnesIO]

Then no team will ever develop stadiums. You can't expect a team to afford a new stadium without a loan for example Arsenal. Saying that is like saying: No person should be able to buy anything if they have a morgage as they don't have the money to pay it off straight away, it's stupid..

If a team can't prove that they can't pay off there debt then a ban should be placed yes, but United can pay it off eventually, just like Arsenal can pay off the Emirates debt.

But the point is, if you got a huge loan your credit card providers would be tight.

[Browney]

£35-50 after transfers too. The 80 mill doesn't include transfers I don't think not sure.

Well if it doesn't, United will have a profit of £130+ million thanks to sale of Ronaldo. :P I think it does include transfers, but like you said, I'm not sure.


But the point is, if you got a huge loan your credit card providers would be tight.

Its not that huge once you look at the scale. Everything's in proportion. I know my mum's still paying off the mortgage to our house after 25 years. So it taking 15 years for United to pay off a loan isn't that bad. Because the amount that has been borrowed is massive, as is the repayments. As soon as they cant afford the repayments things get a bit hairy.

[lBlue]

man u in debt woooooooooooo