UK Airports to introduce new bomb detection equipment

[xxMATTGxx]

Body scanners are to be introduced at Heathrow airport in about three weeks, Home Secretary Alan Johnson said.

He also told the House of Commons that all UK airports must have new "explosion trace detection equipment" by the end of the year.

His comments follow an attempt to blow up a US airliner on Christmas Day.

Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab is accused of trying to detonate a bomb on a plane from Amsterdam when it was about to land in Detroit.

Gordon Brown has ordered a review of security at UK airports.

Mr Johnson said that BAA had already begun training its staff in behavioural analysis techniques, which would be used to identify individuals that required closer inspection.

The government is also examining whether "additional targeted passenger profiling" could help enhance airport security, he added.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8441205.stm

I have said this since Christmas Day that all UK airports need this technology, yes people might not like it but we need to prevent these attacks. That guy did not get stopped and these are the only things that can pick stuff like that up for the time being.

[jackass]

I'm glad this is being put into action. :)

[alexxxxx]

blah blah blah police state blah blah blah more cctv than china blah blah blah PC gone mad blah blah blah european union blah blah blah LibLabCon Alliance blah blah blah referendum blah blah UKIP blah blah hate muslims blah blah open borders blah blah

i'm glad they are planning to bring these in asap. though it's not really an end-all.

[Eoin]

guess it beats bein patted down by some dirty old codger security guard :D

[alexxxxx]

guess it beats bein patted down by some dirty old codger security guard :D

now they get to see you naked instead ;)

[flatface]

now they get to see you naked instead ;)

I heard somewhere that the person viewing the images are in another room alone, they can't see your face or who you are and the images are deleted straight away, and anyway it's not that detailed is it?

But yeh, I agree with this being implemented.

[xxMATTGxx]

I heard somewhere that the person viewing the images are in another room alone, they can't see your face or who you are and the images are deleted straight away, and anyway it's not that detailed is it?

But yeh, I agree with this being implemented.

That is correct. There is a person who views the images away from the scanners and they can't even see your face clear, its not very detailed but if you are hiding anything you shouldn't then it picks it up. :]

[Blinger1]

They should have installed this a long time ago. This should be mandatory in all major airports.

[xxMATTGxx]

They should have installed this a long time ago. This should be mandatory in all major airports.

I have to agree with you there to be honest.

[BeanEgg]

Finally! - This is a start.
However, this will be really annoying as it slows everything down. My dad's frequently traveling on Business, and that will probably affect him.

[-:Undertaker:-]

blah blah blah police state blah blah blah more cctv than china blah blah blah PC gone mad blah blah blah european union blah blah blah LibLabCon Alliance blah blah blah referendum blah blah UKIP blah blah hate muslims blah blah open borders blah blah

i'm glad they are planning to bring these in asap. though it's not really an end-all.

You are all for open borders, so anything about security coming from you really doesn't make any sense. :S

Allow anyone in, but have tight airport security - makes sense (not).

Can anybody else see the hypocrisy in it? - because the truth is that there is little danger, and the danger posed is only because of our own stupidity to allow islamic preachers of hate into this country.

[xxMATTGxx]

You are all for open borders, so anything about security coming from you really doesn't make any sense. :S

Allow anyone in, but have tight airport security - makes sense (not).

Can anybody else see the hypocrisy in it? - because the truth is that there is little danger, and the danger posed is only because of our own stupidity to allow islamic preachers of hate into this country.

I see nothing wrong with these scanners, anyone can be a terrorist. This is why the USA and UK are doing such procedures, we have needed these scanners in all airports for a long time and now its actually going to happen.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I see nothing wrong with these scanners, anyone can be a terrorist. This is why the USA and UK are doing such procedures, we have needed these scanners in all airports for a long time and now its actually going to happen.

The point I am making, is that how can they say we need these scanners for security (which whether you agree with them or not in general you must agree that they strip away civil liberties) when they have open borders?

You cannot preach security at the expense of liberty but have open borders, its the height of hypocrisy.

[xxMATTGxx]

The point I am making, is that how can they say we need these scanners for security (which whether you agree with them or not in general you must agree that they strip away civil liberties) when they have open borders?

You cannot preach security at the expense of liberty but have open borders, its the height of hypocrisy.

There will always be a threat of terrorists with open/closed borders. You can not stop them fully, they will always be here. Unless we do something kinda crazy but yeah.

[Yoshimitsui]

Let's put it this way, the open border malarkey is a whole different ball game in terms of how people will react to changing it. Who we let in this country is shocking i agree with you and should be heavily restricted, however changing it will cause certain conflict and an outbreak of protests and riots from the delusional people with an immediate effect. Something the government is so afraid of and to stand up against, which really annoys me.

But back to the point, despite who can get in and out of where there are always going to be those who want to inflict terror and destruction and because of that a step to reducing terrorism (all be it a secondary measure because of the border procedures) is by implementing these machines to airports. It is sad that is has to come to this sort of technology to protect civil life but it's keeping us safe in certain terms.

[-:Undertaker:-]

There will always be a threat of terrorists with open/closed borders. You can not stop them fully, they will always be here. Unless we do something kinda crazy but yeah.

Indeed there will, but islamic extremism (which is the 'threat' we face now) is the one which targets aeroplanes. If you close borders, or don't allow the nutters into the country then you remove the threat. It is so simple, but as usual Labour will make the rest of us suffer for their lack of security and instead find it easier to treat us like criminals in our own airports. It is like installing all anti-burglar alarms, bars and the rest of it on your house, but leaving your back door open.


Let's put it this way, the open border malarkey is a whole different ball game in terms of how people will react to changing it. Who we let in this country is shocking i agree with you and should be heavily restricted, however changing it will cause certain conflict and an outbreak of protests and riots from the delusional people with an immediate effect. Something the government is so afraid of and to stand up against, which really annoys me.

But back to the point, despite who can get in and out of where there are always going to be those who want to inflict terror and destruction and because of that a step to reducing terrorism (all be it a secondary measure because of the border procedures) is by implementing these machines to airports. It is sad that is has to come to this sort of technology to protect civil life but it's keeping us safe in certain terms.

I don't see why our civil liberties should be severed when a government allows any crackpot into this country. It is wrong.

[Chippiewill]

:rolleyes: says it all.


It's all about show, not actual security, it's to tell the public that they're safe, not to make them safe. If a terrorist wanted to blow up a plane then it ain't difficult, just need someone who works in the airport McDonalds and you're sorted, they're so ethnically diverse at airport shops that it's hardly difficult.

[Invent]

:rolleyes: says it all.


It's all about show, not actual security, it's to tell the public that they're safe, not to make them safe. If a terrorist wanted to blow up a plane then it ain't difficult, just need someone who works in the airport McDonalds and you're sorted, they're so ethnically diverse at airport shops that it's hardly difficult.

That's such a small minded stupid comment. How the hell do you expect a McDonalds employee to board a plane wearing a uniform (it'd be pretty hard to change clothes whilst your working) and actually get on the plane without a ticket?

Also, I know that a lot of airport staff get checked themselves for banned items (I know that my dad wasn't allowed to take any liquids in to his office), etc so again, this is a stupid comment to make.

[-:Undertaker:-]

That's such a small minded stupid comment. How the hell do you expect a McDonalds employee to board a plane wearing a uniform (it'd be pretty hard to change clothes whilst your working) and actually get on the plane without a ticket?

Also, I know that a lot of airport staff get checked themselves for banned items (I know that my dad wasn't allowed to take any liquids in to his office), etc so again, this is a stupid comment to make.

He is right, hes saying what I have been saying aswell. The next major and probably successful terrorist attack will come from within an airport.

[Black_Apalachi]

Let's put it this way, the open border malarkey is a whole different ball game in terms of how people will react to changing it. Who we let in this country is shocking i agree with you and should be heavily restricted, however changing it will cause certain conflict and an outbreak of protests and riots from the delusional people with an immediate effect. Something the government is so afraid of and to stand up against, which really annoys me. ...

Basically, they have done something to piss us off because they know we're not going to get violent about it, rather than upsetting the people who they know would cause trouble over it? Surely that's just giving into terrorism right there? :S

Anyway will this be instead of x-ray scanners or as well as?

[Ardemax]

YEY

finally common sense has hit security at airports

with these built, they can make advancements on the designs and enhance their performance.

all good.

[Jahova]

Good, this should sort most things out.

[Yoshimitsui]

:rolleyes: says it all.


It's all about show, not actual security, it's to tell the public that they're safe, not to make them safe. If a terrorist wanted to blow up a plane then it ain't difficult, just need someone who works in the airport McDonalds and you're sorted, they're so ethnically diverse at airport shops that it's hardly difficult.

Please do not talk rubbish. You will find the security at UK airports it twice as strict for staff members passing airside. Knowing the airports director wont get you or them special treatment around security measures. Airport shop workers have the same relevance as the grass that grows next to the runway.

[myke]

it's a good idea but still kinda feels like its invading my privacy... but whatevz.

[Alkaz]

Body scanners are to be introduced at Heathrow airport in about three weeks, Home Secretary Alan Johnson said.

He also told the House of Commons that all UK airports must have new "explosion trace detection equipment" by the end of the year.

His comments follow an attempt to blow up a US airliner on Christmas Day.

Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab is accused of trying to detonate a bomb on a plane from Amsterdam when it was about to land in Detroit.

Gordon Brown has ordered a review of security at UK airports.

Mr Johnson said that BAA had already begun training its staff in behavioural analysis techniques, which would be used to identify individuals that required closer inspection.

The government is also examining whether "additional targeted passenger profiling" could help enhance airport security, he added.
Its good to know but why the hell do they put things like that (inbold), if there is going to be a bomb then they will make sure they do what ever they want to do if they have any sense before them sort of dates. Madness.

[myke]

tbf, there was more security when i went on eurostar than i have seen in an airport. but w.ez

[scott]

When i was in barcelona they were only doing full security on flights to america, body searches and making them empty all there hand luggage to search it.

When i flew into london heathrow we went through about 5 different bits of security had to get a picture taken twice and fingerprints, although when boarding the flight they didn't check any passports they just checked the picture we got taken the first time lol.

At least it will keep us a bit safer :)

[xxMATTGxx]

Please do not talk rubbish. You will find the security at UK airports it twice as strict for staff members passing airside. Knowing the airports director wont get you or them special treatment around security measures. Airport shop workers have the same relevance as the grass that grows next to the runway.

Agreed and when you are contractor going to work inside the airport, they basically strip you near enough.


tbf, there was more security when i went on eurostar than i have seen in an airport. but w.ez

Probably because they don't want anything to go off while your in the tunnel. :P

[Chippiewill]

Please do not talk rubbish. You will find the security at UK airports it twice as strict for staff members passing airside. Knowing the airports director wont get you or them special treatment around security measures. Airport shop workers have the same relevance as the grass that grows next to the runway.


That's such a small minded stupid comment. How the hell do you expect a McDonalds employee to board a plane wearing a uniform (it'd be pretty hard to change clothes whilst your working) and actually get on the plane without a ticket?

Also, I know that a lot of airport staff get checked themselves for banned items (I know that my dad wasn't allowed to take any liquids in to his office), etc so again, this is a stupid comment to make.

a) I never said it would be easy
b) A nice chip oil delivery could have some lovely liquid explosives inside.
c) How do you know that the security officer behind the scanner isn't in on it?

Invent, if it was you who -repped me then at least leave your name.

[myke]

Agreed and when you are contractor going to work inside the airport, they basically strip you near enough.



Probably because they don't want anything to go off while your in the tunnel. :P

when i was doing my work exp at the airport every vehicle fing that came in got a random check so like the first vehicle they'd check under the bonnet, then the third they'd check the glovebox and then the fifth they'd do the bonnet and glovebox, then 7th would be like the full vehicle... it even happened with airport vehicles.

and urm yeah but the airport should be the same.

edit: and yeah every doorway you go through to go airside from landside you get screened and patted even if ya dont buzz so yeah even if you're staff

[alexxxxx]

what are you on about undertaker? open borders has *REMOVED* all to do with terrorism. Terrorism has no borders and no amount of security will ever prevent another terrorist attack here or in the usa.

Edited by Tash. (Forum Moderator): Please do not avoid the filter.

[-:Undertaker:-]

what are you on about undertaker? open borders has eff all to do with terrorism. Terrorism has no borders and no amount of security will ever prevent another terrorist attack here or in the usa.

Open borders has everything to do with terrorism, thats how terrorists get in you see and thats why we are seeing a rise in extremism in this country. Terrorists do not apparate out of the ground.

[Callum.]

I agree with pretty much everything that has been suggested recently. If you don't like it, don't fly. Just like if you don't like the policies in this country, leave.

And I read somewhere about better checks on suspicious muslims&black people. I don't mind upsetting a couple of guys for my safety.

[Yoshimitsui]

a) I never said it would be easy
b) A nice chip oil delivery could have some lovely liquid explosives inside.
c) How do you know that the security officer behind the scanner isn't in on it?

Invent, if it was you who -repped me then at least leave your name.

A. You did, you states anyone working for McDonald's can help you blow up a plane.

B. Anything going into an airport is screened by security at deliveries, and whilst passing through.

C. More than one officer will be present, likely many more. It wouldn't be possible to have everyone 'in on it'.

[Black_Apalachi]

is ignored :(

[Yoshimitsui]

Basically, they have done something to piss us off because they know we're not going to get violent about it, rather than upsetting the people who they know would cause trouble over it? Surely that's just giving into terrorism right there? :S

Anyway will this be instead of x-ray scanners or as well as?

Sorry sergio.

The government won't get involved in tightening the borders and restricting access because they are scared of an outburst and a civil war because we all know where that the majority these bombers come from and of what culture, they say it's racism and wont see its fact.

It's abit like the christmas lights and signs, certain cultures/faiths/believers say it shouldn't be displayed yet it is a christian country despite who else lives in it.


So yes it is giving into them, as restricting who comes in will help reduce terrorism along with many other crimes in my opinion. But it wont stop all terrorism despite what technology we have so i don't see why undertaker thinks all will be well in the world if we order martial on the borders or something.

I don't know what you mean will it be instead of xray scanners, the current scanners are those for the bags which will remain in place and then the metal detectors which will stay as well in my opinion.

[Black_Apalachi]

Oh yeah I was thinking of metal detectors, sorry :P.

I think Dan means if we had controlled our borders from the beginning, it would have helped keep a lid on things. It's too late now really.

[Blinger1]

I remember back in '04/'05 (sure its a few years back, but security was meant to have been improved after 9/11) i "smuggled" several pocket knives, scissors etc on the airplane without anybody noticing (thats checking through 2 airports and flying for about 17 hours) until I got to LA and tried to board another plane when they seized it all :)

[Black_Apalachi]

omg terrorist! :O lol, what did they do once they took it off you?

[Yoshimitsui]

If it was an internal flight then you could get away of things that would shock some people know, that's how 9/11 happened.

[Blinger1]

omg terrorist! :O lol, what did they do once they took it off you?
Nothing, i was 13/14.

If it was an internal flight then you could get away of things that would shock some people know, that's how 9/11 happened.
I live in melbourne, so it was international

[Neversoft]

About damn time.

[Chippiewill]

A. You did, you states anyone working for McDonald's can help you blow up a plane.

B. Anything going into an airport is screened by security at deliveries, and whilst passing through.

C. More than one officer will be present, likely many more. It wouldn't be possible to have everyone 'in on it'.

a) Yes they can, not easily
b) They cannot contaminate food by opening it up, for all you know the liquid explosives are heavier than chip fat and will stay at the bottom hidden from examination.
c) There'll only be one examining the chip fat

[Yoshimitsui]

You don't seem to get the picture, everything is x rayed, everyone employed gets numerous security checks and have to prove what they have been doing for the past 5 years. Every time they go through air side, they are subject to the same screening as passengers.

And you have the 100ml ban, anything over that and you are not going to get near a plane with it. Along with the fact half of the staff at an airport have no right be any where near aircraft.

[xxMATTGxx]

You don't seem to get the picture, everything is x rayed, everyone employed gets numerous security checks and have to prove what they have been doing for the past 5 years. Every time they go through air side, they are subject to the same screening as passengers.

And you have the 100ml ban, anything over that and you are not going to get near a plane with it. Along with the fact half of the staff at an airport have no right be any where near aircraft.

With the 5 years thing, I believe new workers can't get an airside pass straight away and have to be there for an X amount of years?

[Yoshimitsui]

It depends on whether you successfully prove and pass the 5 year background check. Anyone with gaps will be issued with a landside pass until its verified or they will be simply not employed. Not all workers have airside passes and there are those that cannot do their job without one. In certain circumstances they may be escorted for the time being.

[Alkaz]

My brother works at Gatwick and for him to get his airside pass when he first started there (oh hes one of the managers that gets the airport/planes clean hehe) it took about 6 months for them to do checks on him in order for him to get his air-side pass so even before the 5year things its hard and very strict on who can have one.