infractions/warnings

[Immenseman]

i think ones that were given over 6 months ago and all reversed ones should be removed. new year, new start!! recent ones should stay on the record but things that happened like a year ago should be gone. reversed ones should be gone too, don't really have to explain why they're not valid.

if people had a good record, they'd try harder to preserve it in my opinion and plus it's just a nice thing to do. i know it's unlike me to write things up properly (in this forum) but i'm not overly concerned, i just think it'd be a nice gesture.

thoughts?

[Alkaz]

Overall the forum is more strict on everything than Habbo. You can hack 100t and you'll get unbanned in 6 months. Here, if your rude a few times its ban for LIFE. Need to be alot more lenient.

[Black_Apalachi]

Yeah I hate seeing my expired ones and stuff. Also does the amount you have, have to be displayed in the info on posts?

[Seatherny]

Yeah I hate seeing my expired ones and stuff. Also does the amount you have, have to be displayed in the info on posts?
I think its there just for the Moderators.

[Hecktix]

I'd support an old infractions clearout :)

[Seatherny]

I'd support an old infractions clearout :)

But would the usernotes be deleted too then? - the old ones which led to the infraction.

[Hecktix]

But would the usernotes be deleted too then? - the old ones which led to the infraction.


Hmm. Usernotes over 6 months old don't usually get counted anyway, its just whether we could delete some and not all, easily.

[Chippiewill]

There's usually a clean up a short time after new year, it's just a waiting game now.

[Titch]

do it in 1 month and 22 days :D

[Immenseman]

i mean i have some which are from 2k8 :( i was only 16 oMgZ!

[The Professor]

Aren't they usually cleared regularly anyway? Aparently it wasn't done last year though if jake has some from 2008 :P

[Immenseman]

Yeah my earliest one is November 2008 which was 14 months ago. Long overdue :8

[Chippiewill]

Yeah my earliest one is November 2008 which was 14 months ago. Long overdue :8

That's the day the Infraction was issued, not the day it expired.

[Immenseman]

I know... lol :S It was issued 14 months ago...

[Chippiewill]

I know... lol :S It was issued 14 months ago...

Which means it would have expired during January meaning that it may have Expired after the clearout

[Immenseman]

Yeah, great. My point is they should be expired if they're 6 months or older, nothing about a clear out. Although as far as I'm aware there were no clear outs throughout 2009.

[FlyingJesus]

If they're expired/reversed does it make any difference to a user if they're their or not? I'd support this for reversed infractions if any at all, as those obviously weren't meant to be there anyway, but expired ones are still useful to have on record I guess so that those who need to will know what sort of record you have. They can't very well say "this is a more serious offence for you as you've done this before and we've warned you about it previously" if there's no record of that being the case, whereas if you're now reformed then having them in your old details won't matter anyway

[Immenseman]

If they're that old then you've already been punished for it. User notes are there to see your record, that was the sole reason they were added. So if infractions/warnings serve that purpose then user notes should be scrapped because there is no need to have two systems which perform the same function. It's like having a reputation and a thanks system which work the same way installed on the forum rather than one or the other.

[The Professor]

Agreed ^ Tbh there's a massive emphasis on user notes atm I hear loads of people whinging saying "oh i have a user note boo hoo". They're only there to tell moderators which rules you've been reminded about (as well as exceptional notes but they don't happen often), they're not a punishment.

Sorry that was a bit tangental it just gets on my boobies a bit :P

[Hecktix]

Agreed ^ Tbh there's a massive emphasis on user notes atm I hear loads of people whinging saying "oh i have a user note boo hoo". They're only there to tell moderators which rules you've been reminded about (as well as exceptional notes but they don't happen often), they're not a punishment.

Sorry that was a bit tangental it just gets on my boobies a bit :P

Although you did go off on a tangent a bit I think this is something that really needs saying.

I know why people have been looking at usernotes as punishments as I have seen moderators saying in PM's "You have recieved a usernote at Habbox Forum" etc. Although it doesn't actually say anywhere in moderation guides that this shouldn't be done (and this is probably something that should be changed).

Usernotes are only added when a moderator PMs a member and that's all the member needs to know, that the polite PM warning them not to break the rules is their "punishment" as it were, a usernote is merely a record that a moderator spoke to you. They mean nothing other than that, obviously if you start getting 40/50 usernotes it's like "ok then, a moderator has had to speak to you quite often..., what's going on?" but never are usernotes used as punishments and in theory it shouldn't make a difference to members whether they are there or not.

I agree completely that a clear out of old infractions should occur. By old I mean ones that expired quite a while ago, however as I think has already been said in this thread: Expired infractions do not count towards your record or further punishement.

I heard on the grapevine something was planned regarding this a month or two ago but it seems nothing materialised from it.

[Immenseman]

i was banned for my amount of usernotes. but what i don't get is i was banned for a month when i had one infraction, sure i'm controversial or whatever but when i have no idea how many user notes i had and hadn't had a PM about them for approx. 6 months then yeah. if you're going to use usernotes then they should be made visible. i thought it went like this:

you're bad. usernote. same offence. warning. same offence. infraction. obviously dependent on the severity of rule break, some go straight to infraction. i hate user notes because they're so unclear but obv i'm not a mod and i guess they're pretty useful. could they be made public to users or scrapped? (yn)

[The Professor]

They don't need to be made public for the same reason the staff forums don't: because they're an internal system. Exactly the same thing could be achieved by putting all records of PMs in a thread in the staff forums, would you want them to be made public then?

[Immenseman]

then they shouldn't be used to give out public punishments.

[The Professor]

idk what the ban was for or anything so yknow.

[Immenseman]

not sure anybody does but yeah remove all old infractions/warnings!!

[Mathew]

I've only had one infraction which was from lAscend.. oversize signature when I first joined (disappeared at the last clean-up).

Doesn't really bother me :P

[leah]

I have loads of reversed ones and it looks so untidy and it's annoying because if they were reversed it shows you didn't do anything wrong so why should they still be there? I have one or two from a while ago aswell! I think an infraction clearout would be a good idea.

[Nixt]

I heard on the grapevine something was planned regarding this a month or two ago but it seems nothing materialised from it.

Certainly not something I was aware of :P. I do believe it was suggested at some point, though. I think the argument against it was that expired infractions are used as a record to the extent of a user's rule breaking. We don't count them against you, but if you have a ton of old expired infractions and a number of active ones, they do help to indicate who the serial rule breakers are. Additionally, the process of removing old expired or reversed infractions involves quite a lot of work - as far as I am aware it has to be done manually via ACP. Nevertheless, I'd quite happily do it. I will discuss this with Matt and Sam, and we'll see what happens (and I promise this discussion will be a prompt one :P).

[Pyroka]

i'd support clearing out infractions from last week if you know what i mean wink

[Immenseman]

Yeah, Garion I understand and if you decide there are better tasks for you to use your time on then that's cool. I don't think you can tell much from infractions in 2008 and what not. The vast majority of people on here are teenagers, people mature considerably through there time on here. Although, I'd say some of the oldest members at the least mature but hey you get what I mean :D

[Nixt]

Yeah, Garion I understand and if you decide there are better tasks for you to use your time on then that's cool. I don't think you can tell much from infractions in 2008 and what not. The vast majority of people on here are teenagers, people mature considerably through there time on here. Although, I'd say some of the oldest members at the least mature but hey you get what I mean :D

You are most certainly correct :p. It's being discussed now, just waiting for a response from Sammeth who will reply tonight I expect :). I didn't make it 100% clear in my last post, but I do essentially support this idea so hopefully it will happen - it does require a lot of work, but hey that's what we're here for and I am sure Matt and I can share that workload.

[StefanWolves]

I was permanently banned before for my amount of usernotes. (on a different account)

[Chippiewill]

Bans and punishments shouldn't be based on quantitative infractions/warnings/user notes but should be based on qualitative ones instead anyway?

[Sammeth.]

Im not a big fan of removing expired ones, but reversed ones I think should definitely be removed. Its no fun seeing our mistakes emblazoned upon your CP every time you take a peek. I think that could be gone about so simply. Just have a thread in the SMOD forum, every time a SMOD reverses a warning, post in the thread, Matt or Garion removes it, done and dusted (so really not a lot of work at all) and we can set up a temporary public thread in here where people can post the times and dates of reversed infractions so we can clear them up at your request. Myself, Garion and Matt can all chip in to clear that workload effectively. Not too much of a strenuous effor Im sure.

Expired ones are gonna take some convincing I think, I don't see why they should be removed, and if they do get removed, I think we should be considering sensible time limits.

[Immenseman]

Yeah, but once they've gone through the manual labour of removing all reversed ones maybe there could be a thread like rep and bad infraction one. "Report your reversed infractions here" so they can stay on top, don't know if that's any easier. Although, there has to be some sorta record for them because obviously if a moderator keeps getting their infractions reversed they need to be told how to moderate.

[Hecktix]

Im not a big fan of removing expired ones, but reversed ones I think should definitely be removed. Its no fun seeing our mistakes emblazoned upon your CP every time you take a peek. I think that could be gone about so simply. Just have a thread in the SMOD forum, every time a SMOD reverses a warning, post in the thread, Matt or Garion removes it, done and dusted (so really not a lot of work at all) and we can set up a temporary public thread in here where people can post the times and dates of reversed infractions so we can clear them up at your request. Myself, Garion and Matt can all chip in to clear that workload effectively. Not too much of a strenuous effor Im sure.

Expired ones are gonna take some convincing I think, I don't see why they should be removed, and if they do get removed, I think we should be considering sensible time limits.

I like this idea and I think if expired ones are removed it should be ones over six months old, as I have learnt from my experience as a moderator that a person can change quite significantly over a period of six months :)

[Immenseman]

Yeah like Oli was fired and permed (I think). As was preoposterous (I think), Brandon has been fired, Nvr was fired once, PaulMacC was fired then SMod. All happened in 6 months so I don't see why they should hinder an individuals record when some people get permed/fired and 6 months on are in a senior postiton anyway. However, I do see the other side of the argument that it serves as evidence about an individual. I think user-notes serve this purpose well enough.

[Hecktix]

I was permed for over a year but yeah :P (unfair ban mind hence its reversal)

But yeah I've been fired 2 years ago and look at me now? People change and I think six months is a good enough time span for this to happen.

[Blinger1]

I was permed for over a year but yeah :P (unfair ban mind hence its reversal)
HEY! me too, but it was for about 3 weeks. :)

[Sammeth.]

Starting to regret reversing it already.

[kk.]

Lol

as for reversing infractions, they did it before when habbo did, so I don't see why we can't again?

6 months though, not all infractions and warnings

[Blinger1]

Starting to regret reversing it already.

It's okay, oli says I've been very good. ;)

[StefanWolves]

I remember when I got permanently banned on another account for the number of Usernotes that I had.

[The Professor]

I was permanently banned before for my amount of usernotes. (on a different account)


I remember when I got permanently banned on another account for the number of Usernotes that I had.

Orly? Care to tell us that again, I didn't quite get it the first 2 times :P

[Nixt]

I remember when I got permanently banned on another account for the number of Usernotes that I had.

www.habboxforum.com/support

[Chippiewill]

I remember when Wolves got permanently banned on another account for the number of Usernotes that he had.

Edited by Jamesy (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not make pointless posts, thanks.

[Sammeth.]

Just an update; me and Garion have just deleted all reversed infractions, and we are currently in the process of setting up a system in the moderator forums where reversed infractions can be deleted instantly (well, within 24 hours rather than months and months down the line).

I'm still undecided about expired ones, but I would rather get the reversed stuff out the way first so at least we're getting something done rather than waiting and waiting for an answer before we do anything.

[Immenseman]

Lets look at one of his old accounts:

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=533071&page=7

Anyway, thanks for deleting removed ones, went down from 7 pages of infractions to 5, lmao. Anyway Sam don't you think user notes prove a users record? When you have infractions warnings from 14 months ago I don't think they're really reflective of what you're like now. As I've said you can see that by some of your most senior staff members who have been fired and permed yet they've managed to reform. However, I'm glad that you acted on this thread within 24 hours of what you think is right, thankies.

[Chippiewill]

Lets look at one of his old accounts:

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=533071&page=7

Anyway, thanks for deleting removed ones, went down from 7 pages of infractions to 5, lmao. Anyway Sam don't you think user notes prove a users record? When you have infractions warnings from 14 months ago I don't think they're really reflective of what you're like now. As I've said you can see that by some of your most senior staff members who have been fired and permed yet they've managed to reform. However, I'm glad that you acted on this thread within 24 hours of what you think is right, thankies.

I believe they're reflective of the way you are now :P. And I doubt that Moderators use infractions over 6 months old against you anyway.

[jackass]

I've still got 1 expired warning from Summer 2008 - surely that can be removed?! :P

Then i'll have a 100% clean record. :8

[Immenseman]

I believe they're reflective of the way you are now :P. And I doubt that Moderators use infractions over 6 months old against you anyway.
Contrary to popular belief I've had one infraction in the last 5 months :P

[Titch]

How do u view all ur infractions, i cn only see the last 5 or sumin of myn? and i got more active points than that atm :S confused.

[Nixt]

How do u view all ur infractions, i cn only see the last 5 or sumin of myn? and i got more active points than that atm :S confused.

Bottom right of the infraction panel, should be a list of pages :).

[Titch]

Bottom right of the infraction panel, should be a list of pages :).

wheres da infraction panel LOL

[Immenseman]

user cp > profile > infractions

[Titch]

user cp > profile > infractions

OOOO ta :)

6 infractions which end on 2/02/10 LOL

[jackass]

http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=616119

How come when I posted this thread, nothing was done, then a couple of weeks later, someone else posts it and it's sorted?! :@

[Immenseman]

I actually did one a few months before that! Persistence my friend :D

[jackass]

I actually did one a few months before that! Persistence my friend :D

Oooh right, aha, fair enough then! :P

[Immenseman]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=592871 :D
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=556401

third time lucky, only took me a year to get what i wanted ;l

[leah]

Glad the change was made :)

[jackass]

Yeah, i'm glad too! But I still think infractions/warnings that are a year old after expiring should be removed. :(

[StefanWolves]

Crap lol. I didn't think I'd posted it before.

My bad.

But ye, I once got banned for having a number of usernotes!!! :rolleyes:

[Immenseman]

Lets look at one of his old accounts:

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=533071&page=7




Crap lol. I didn't think I'd posted it before.

My bad.

But ye, I once got banned for having a number of usernotes!!! :rolleyes:
because you're clearly such an angel :eusa_whis

[StefanWolves]

I am now lol. I amaze myself, I've only 1 infraction in the last 4 months.

Omg reading that I made myself laugh.

[Immenseman]

1 in 5 ere babe xox

[kk.]

Warnings that have expired should be reversed :D

[Blinger1]

I actually did one a few months before that! Persistence my friend :D


http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=592871 :D
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=556401

third time lucky, only took me a year to get what i wanted ;l
Gar! I wish.

I have six pages still... :$

[Black_Apalachi]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=592871 :D
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=556401

third time lucky, only took me a year to get what i wanted ;l

was it cos you're not well known or somethin?

[Immenseman]

LMAO, must've been -.-

bloody biased admins ;l