Posting in the Debate Forum...

[jackass]

Please do not make any short pointless comments like "It's wrong" or "I agree" etc. If you would like to agree / disagree with a point someone has made in the thread, make sure you back up your point with the reasons for your opinion.

That rule/guideline is fair enough, as it's a debate forum, but if somebody has made a post, like me, shown below (without even realising that this was a rule anyway), I don't think it should be usernote/warning/infraction worthy, that's not really fair at all. :S

My post was...

I want UKIP to win the next General Election. http://www.habboxforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Followed up by...

I got...

Labour 28%
Conservative 62%
Greens 35%
LibDem 36%
UKIP 77%

So yeah, UKIP please. http://www.habboxforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

So yeah, should just be a guideline.

[Immenseman]

I don't think it should just be a guideline but I agree with you that it shouldn't be infraction/warning worthy. A user note will suffice.

[Hecktix]

All you recieved was a PM telling you you had broken debate rules.

It needs to be highlighted that usernotes are not punishments but a vital record of a users mishaps, for instance if you were to now go on and post an unsubstantiated message in debates another five or six times, we would have previous ones as evidence that you'd done it before, so if you do it repeatedly we can then punish you, which is what the moderator meant by:



If you continue to break this rule then further action will be taken against your account which could result in restricted access to the Debate forum

A lot of people don't grasp the fact that usernotes are simply a record for moderators and are in no way a punishment. We need to keep a record for reasons stated above.

You have not been punished, I hope this clears it up?

[jackass]

Yeah, but as far as i'm aware, one of those PMs is always followed up by a usernote, unless things have changed since I was a Moderator.

Oh, and I have been punished, because next time (if it were to happen by accident or otherwise), it will go straight to a warning. Think of it as lives, you get 3 of them, i've just lost one.


All you recieved was a PM telling you you had broken debate rules.

It needs to be highlighted that usernotes are not punishments but a vital record of a users mishaps, for instance if you were to now go on and post an unsubstantiated message in debates another five or six times, we would have previous ones as evidence that you'd done it before, so if you do it repeatedly we can then punish you, which is what the moderator meant by:



A lot of people don't grasp the fact that usernotes are simply a record for moderators and are in no way a punishment. We need to keep a record for reasons stated above.

You have not been punished, I hope this clears it up?

[Hecktix]

It's not an infractable/warnable offence.

If you did it again, you would be PM'd again.

If you did it a lot of times in a short space of time (say a month), you'd probably recieve a 24 hour ban from debates or something.

It's like with pointless posting, only serial offenders are punished, if not a serial spammer it's just a polite PM each time

[Immenseman]

Just to add, usernotes are used to ban. Ban is a punishment. They are used as punishments. They shouldn't be. They are.

[-:Undertaker:-]

It is silly lets be honest, maybe a persistant offender is deserving of whatever a usernote is, but certainly not in this case. Are moderation reports still based on how many infractions/usernotes/warnings have been given out by each moderator? - if its still like that, then theres the problem.

[Hecktix]

It is silly lets be honest, maybe a persistant offender is deserving of whatever a usernote is, but certainly not in this case. Are moderation reports still based on how many infractions/usernotes/warnings have been given out by each moderator? - if its still like that, then theres the problem.

No they are not.

May I ask how we keep track of repetitive offenders if we don't make a record somewhere?:rolleyes:

That is the purpose of usernotes and i will reiterate: usernotes are not a punishment in any way shape or form.

[-:Undertaker:-]

No they are not.

May I ask how we keep track of repetitive offenders if we don't make a record somewhere?:rolleyes:

That is the purpose of usernotes and i will reiterate: usernotes are not a punishment in any way shape or form.

I think moderators should have their own forums again, so they are familiar with that forum and can use judgement like a human being does rather than what I see as robot-like handing out of warnings, infractions and usernotes. If what Jake says is correct in that usernotes are used to ban then they are a punishment.

EDIT: It appears they do, oh well it's all very confusing - the bottom line is we need judgement to play a part in moderation.

[Black_Apalachi]

Btw I thought someone from each debate was supposed to win VIP? :S Or has this been going on and I've just overlooked it lol

[Hecktix]

I think moderators should have their own forums again, so they are familiar with that forum and can use judgement like a human being does rather than what I see as robot-like handing out of warnings, infractions and usernotes. If what Jake says is correct in that usernotes are used to ban then they are a punishment.

EDIT: It appears they do, oh well it's all very confusing - the bottom line is we need judgement to play a part in moderation.

Usernotes are a record of an issue.
You pointlessly post, we record it - naturally.
You pointlessly post again, we record it.

Over the next two weeks you pointlessly post another ten times.

On the eleventh time a moderator looks at the usernotes, sees "Oh, this member has posted pointlessly over 10 times in the past two weeks, I shall report him to a Super Moderator"

The Super Moderator will then take action.

If someone manages to obtain a large amount of usernotes, obviously they have had a lot of incidents around the forum and this will be looked into accordingly, however you are talking here forty/fifty usernotes which very few users have quite obviously.

Usernotes are not a punishment, and that is the end of the line.


Btw I thought someone from each debate was supposed to win VIP? :S Or has this been going on and I've just overlooked it lol

I'm not entirely sure if any of the debates have ended yet, I'll ask Garion.

[Chippiewill]

usernotes are not a punishment in any way shape or form.

Wouldn't they affect the decision of a forum manager in hiring a new moderator?
Therefore = Punishment

[Hecktix]

Wouldn't they affect the decision of a forum manager in hiring a new moderator?
Therefore = Punishment

No, it's a record, not a punishment...

[xxMATTGxx]

It is silly lets be honest, maybe a persistant offender is deserving of whatever a usernote is, but certainly not in this case. Are moderation reports still based on how many infractions/usernotes/warnings have been given out by each moderator? - if its still like that, then theres the problem.

Moderator reports haven't been based on that for some time.


I think moderators should have their own forums again, so they are familiar with that forum and can use judgement like a human being does rather than what I see as robot-like handing out of warnings, infractions and usernotes. If what Jake says is correct in that usernotes are used to ban then they are a punishment.

EDIT: It appears they do, oh well it's all very confusing - the bottom line is we need judgement to play a part in moderation.

I think nearly all Moderators moderate the forums they want and are most active in, some maybe put in other forums if we are shorted-handed or they need more work and such. But this isn't normally an issue as moderating is the same throughout the forum. (Just some specific forum rules here and there)

User Notes are there to keep a record of a how a user is doing. Any first rule breaks a user does, gets added into a usernote for safe keeping and to show to the moderation department what rules they have broken, if they have broken one of them rules then punishment is given such as a warning/infraction. Usernotes are also a record of what a Moderator/Super Moderator has Pm'ed a user, this can come in handy in some situations.


Wouldn't they affect the decision of a forum manager in hiring a new moderator?
Therefore = Punishment

It would depend on their full record. (Usernotes, warnings and infractions) to see if they are ideal for the job.

[Nixt]

Btw I thought someone from each debate was supposed to win VIP? :S Or has this been going on and I've just overlooked it lol

If the debating in the other threads are up to a standard I deem worthy of awarding VIP :p.

Also, @ Biohazard - If your quotes were posted together it would be fine, but the first quote was posted separately... so obviously it violates that rule?

[Black_Apalachi]

Oh lmao, OK then :P