The Offical F1 Thread #2

[Titch]

i will be up for p1, sleep for 2 hours, p2 and then off out for morning run.

[Black_Apalachi]

What times are everything at?

[Jam]

P1 - 3AM
P2 - 7AM
P3 - Saturday 4AM
Quali - Saturday 7AM
Race - Sunday 8AM

2 hours to go, hope Sauber have sorted their engine problems.

[Black_Apalachi]

Thanks, +rep when I can x

[CJW93]

Ahh I cant find anything to do for an hour and a half

[Jam]

Another 40 minutes to go, wonder if Buemi will have something to drive.

[CJW93]

Was a big shunt for Buemi, for anyone that missed either session:

Practice 1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00s653r/Formula_1_2010_The_Chinese_Grand_Prix_Practice_One/

Practice 2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00s653t/Formula_1_2010_The_Chinese_Grand_Prix_Practice_Two/

[Titch]

Was a big shunt for Buemi, for anyone that missed either session:

Practice 1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00s653r/Formula_1_2010_The_Chinese_Grand_Prix_Practice_One/

Practice 2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00s653t/Formula_1_2010_The_Chinese_Grand_Prix_Practice_Two/

im more worried about why the shunt happened, it just complty gave it all at once, very worrying.

[Catzsy]

im more worried about why the shunt happened, it just complty gave it all at once, very worrying.

They were new parts - the uprights for the wheels that failed. They have some tested ones to use for the race.

[CJW93]

After seeing a McLaren quickest in every session throughout the weekend, I was so excited when the green light was on to start q3, God I'm annoyed, Seb drove well. Here is Qualy if anyone missed it http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00s2xwm/Formula_1_2010_The_Chinese_Grand_Prix_Qualifying/

[xxMATTGxx]

Very well done to McLaren! 1-2 :D

Very good race, enjoyed every single bit of it! :D

[Jordy]

Very impressive grand prix and an awesome finish for McLaren :)

Hamilton very interesting to watch once again but at times silly and dangerous, it was unnecessary to fight Vettel along the pit lane and going across the grass when he changed his mind last minute. Once again the excitement of this race relied upon the weather and safety cars though.

[CJW93]

Great day to be a McLaren and Lewis Hamilton fan. As much as I hate Jenson Button he did drive a fantastic race and deserved the win. 1 2 McLaren, heres to many more. Shall be proud to wear the McLaren shirt tomorrow in college

[luce]

i enjoyed the race today and because i don't know a lot about it i just support the english lads and that obviously payed off today haha would be great for one of them to win it again this season :)!

[CJW93]

3 weeks now until the Spanish Grand Prix. Shame that both Spanish tracks are a complete bore :(

[CJW93]

I decided that I would make my 1 year old neice a McLaren Fan by putting my shirt on her. Pics aren't from 2007 just I havent set the date on the camera.

http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr262/Charlie5757/15723_371786356845_557246845_423486.jpg

http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr262/Charlie5757/ameliamclaren.jpg

[xzl.]

3 weeks now until the Spanish Grand Prix. Shame that both Spanish tracks are a complete bore :(

Im not happy about 3 weeks either :( but I think the Spanish track is pretty good tbh :)

[CJW93]

Valencia is bland and becuase they test at Baraclona they know so muich about the track they just follow one line :(

[xzl.]

Valencia is bland and becuase they test at Baraclona they know so muich about the track they just follow one line :(

yeah your right there, but i think that makes them work that little more aggressively, ;D well 3 weeks is a long way yet, suppose time will tell :)

[9y]

I'm going to see the F1 in barcelona this may. I've never seen a race before. Should be entertaining lol x

[Blinger$]

Hmm, where is sauber originating from?

[xxMATTGxx]

Very impressive grand prix and an awesome finish for McLaren :)

Hamilton very interesting to watch once again but at times silly and dangerous, it was unnecessary to fight Vettel along the pit lane and going across the grass when he changed his mind last minute. Once again the excitement of this race relied upon the weather and safety cars though.

I wouldn't say the last bit was silly, it was needed. Alonso was more silly when he pushed in front of Massa. I mean come on, it's his bloody team mate. <_<

[Jam]

Hmm, where is sauber originating from?

Switzerland, a new team or BMW Sauber whichever question your asking.

[Blinger$]

Switzerland, a new team or BMW Sauber whichever question your asking.
switzerland, whatta country!

has anyone used the iphone app of F1?

[CJW93]

Got it on blackberry

[CJW93]

3rd today was the nest the McLaren could do, Red Bulls Grrrr!

[W00TZEH]

Schumacher will get a podium finish tomorrow. Heard it here first.

[Jam]

Well he came close although one place is due to Lewis' puncture. Slightly dull race, at least Kobayashi eventually finished a race.

[CJW93]

Wasn't a bad race, A big well done to the Red Bulls and Alonso. Poor Lewis, 25 points in Monaco please :)

[Jordy]

Lol yeah, BMW Sauber have improved an awful lot it seems, shame De La Rosa went out so early.

Considering so little happened during the race it wasn't actually that boring at all, I was just very pissed at Hamilton. During the final 5 or 6 laps he really pushed when he didn't need to. He's hard enough on the tyres as it is so I'm sure if he could of been just a little bit conservative with his tyres he could of finished the race.

Red Bull is boring me however, qualifying is no longer a competition tbh :p

[Blue]

Lol yeah, BMW Sauber have improved an awful lot it seems, shame De La Rosa went out so early.

Considering so little happened during the race it wasn't actually that boring at all, I was just very pissed at Hamilton. During the final 5 or 6 laps he really pushed when he didn't need to. He's hard enough on the tyres as it is so I'm sure if he could of been just a little bit conservative with his tyres he could of finished the race.

Red Bull is boring me however, qualifying is no longer a competition tbh :p

Its still good to see the little fight between the two of them though ;)

[Catzsy]

Schumacher will get a podium finish tomorrow. Heard it here first.

I think they have a way to go yet but they certainly have improved a lot. It won't be long now he has got a car he likes. Downside is that poor Nico Rosberg seems to have one he doesn't like which is a real shame considering he has out performed Schumacher until now and was second in the championship until yesterday.


Wasn't a bad race, A big well done to the Red Bulls and Alonso. Poor Lewis, 25 points in Monaco please :)

That was a crying shame. he hasn't had a lot of good luck lately.

[xxMATTGxx]

Wasn't one of the most exciting races in terms of things going on. Although I was pleased with Lewis, shame about the tyre near the end he looked gutted when he had his one min moment sort of speak when he got out of the car. Oh well, there is always next time! That is the thing I like about Lewis, even though that happened he still had a smile and said you just gotta keep your chin up. :]

[Ajthedragon]

Lewis. :(

I guess these things happen. On a brighter note: the red bull's and McLarens have the same rare pace. :)

That fuel efficient Renault is so much better in qualifying.

[CJW93]

Lewis. :(

I guess these things happen. On a brighter note: the red bull's and McLarens have the same rare pace. :)

That fuel efficient Renault is so much better in qualifying.

Red Bull are still faster than anyone in the race

[immense]

webber on pole

[Catzsy]

It will be a different ball game tomorrow. This is a track that is very heavy on tyres so could be interesting.

[Callum.]

i love monoco f1. i like the rich people sitting in their boats ahah

[immense]

About to get under way :)

[StefanWolves]

i have to say this race is ******* boring

f1 is ruined without pit stops, i say bring pit stops and KERS back.

[Jordy]

KERS return next season is very likely :)

I thought it was an alright race to be honest, it's just what you expect from Monaco, there isn't over-taking really but it's always a great race anyway.

[immense]

Yeah, I agree Jordy. Hamilton said it was boring though and he'd of preferred to watch it, haha.

[Catzsy]

The most exciting things about the race were Alonso early on and the safety cars. :(

[immense]

The late overtake by Schumacher too! Do we know if this has been allowed or disallowed yet?

[Catzsy]

The late overtake by Schumacher too! Do we know if this has been allowed or disallowed yet?

No decision yet but looks like Brawn pretty much made the right call. The race had re-started. He was over the white line and there were no yellow flags.

[immense]

Yeah but that Ferrari guy had found some clause or something and seemed pretty confident.

[Catzsy]

Yeah but that Ferrari guy had found some clause or something and seemed pretty confident.

Well I bet it will be fine. 21 rep points Sir! :)

[xxMATTGxx]

Mercedes driver Michael Schumacher has been penalised for overtaking Ferrari's Fernando Alonso when it was not allowed at the end of the Monaco Grand Prix.

I think that is a bloody joke. The evidence showed that the messages the team got was very unclear really, it mentioned the safety car was coming in etc. Not only that but it was green flags/lights on the corners and he over took after the SC line. WHAT THE HELL! :P

[immense]

Shame, I was hoping it would stand. Thanks for the rep Rosie.

[Jordy]

Jees that penalty is very harsh. They've added 20 seconds to his time and because all the cars were bunched up, it means he finished at the back of the grid. I personally don't feel he broke any rules, but even if he did, it in no way deserves this sort of punishment. If it took them hours to agree he broke the rules then how on earth was he to know if he was breaking the rules, it was a bit risky and opportunistic but sadly Formula 1 rarely rewards that.

[Black_Apalachi]

Schumacher's overtake was brilliant. The replay clearly shows Alonso was over the white line when he was overtaken so I don't see the problem.


i have to say this race is ******* boring

f1 is ruined without pit stops, i say bring pit stops and KERS back.

In my opinion; refuelling yes, KERS no.

[CJW93]

Boring race im afriad, the stewards need to hav a serious rethink about their decision

[Jam]

I didn't know until I was listening to the 5 Live review podcast, what a stupid ruling. At the very most demote him back to 7th but a 20 second penalty? Get real.

[Ajthedragon]

no re-fulling has made Bahrain, Spain and Monaco pretty boring I have to say. The other 3 I thought were pretty good though. :S

[Black_Apalachi]

What made Monaco boring was the huge amount of safety car laps. When those two cars crashed on that hairpin and almost blocked the whole road, there was a big gap in the barrier which they eventually dragged the cars into but they took ******* ages. Same as when someone else crashed, there was a wing-mirror or something in the middle of the road that took them ages to pick up. I know Monaco is supposed to have the best stewards going, so it all seemed a little lazy to watch.

[Jordy]

On further reflection, the FIA do seem to be right although the punishment is a bit harsh. Ferrari (and also the commentators) were under the impression there was a few hundred metres to over-take, turns out;

Article 40.13 of the Formula 1 sporting regulations states: "If the race ends while the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."You'd think race control could of told the teams or something though.

[CJW93]

no re-fulling has made Bahrain, Spain and Monaco pretty boring I have to say. The other 3 I thought were pretty good though. :S

Those 3 races you have picked have always been boring even with re-fulling. The only time Monaco is good is when it is bascially flooded

[Black_Apalachi]

On further reflection, the FIA do seem to be right although the punishment is a bit harsh. Ferrari (and also the commentators) were under the impression there was a few hundred metres to over-take, turns out;
You'd think race control could of told the teams or something though.

Ah, thanks for clearing it up. :) I don't see why the rule should differ though just because it's the final lap.

Imagine if there was a system similar to injury time in football, whereby all safety car laps are added on at the end so that there is always the full amount of laps. Would be awful for teams in terms of tyre management, and it would probably warrant the return of refuelling but I think it would be so much more exciting.

[Blinger$]

i can't believe the webber is actually winning.. i think all of australia is gobsmacked.

[Black_Apalachi]

I love it, he's my favourite driver. :D Very nervous moment when those two cars collided at that hairpin in Monaco and Webber was just able to squeeze past!

[Blinger$]

I love it, he's my favourite driver. :D Very nervous moment when those two cars collided at that hairpin in Monaco and Webber was just able to squeeze past!

dunno, don't watch the news, i only hear it on the radio.. and i only watched the aus grand prix..

[CJW93]

McLaren looking strong today :)

[Black_Apalachi]

I never realised Schumacher was given a green light at Monaco. In that case they should have just taken the positions as they were before he made the move. Putting him at back was wayyyy unfair as the only error is on the part of the race organisers.

[xxMATTGxx]

Well done to the McLaren team, thanks to Red Bull for messing up haha. COME ON LEWIS! :D

[MattFr]

Quality race. Kudos to Red Bull for smashing the **** out of each other.

[N!ck]

What's with the Red Bull hatin'? I'm a little disappointed.

An interesting race though with the lively moments from Red Bull and McLaren. I'm happy for Lewis and Jensen though.

[xxMATTGxx]

What's with the Red Bull hatin'? I'm a little disappointed.

An interesting race though with the lively moments from Red Bull and McLaren. I'm happy for Lewis and Jensen though.

I don't hate them. I just support Lewis and McLaren :P

[MattFr]

What's with the Red Bull hatin'? I'm a little disappointed.

An interesting race though with the lively moments from Red Bull and McLaren. I'm happy for Lewis and Jensen though.
Red Bull 1, 2 every race gets tedious.

[Jordy]

Good race, decent circuit too. I suppose I'd of liked to of seen McLaren win by over-taking but it was thrilling stuff anyway and I can't say I'm all that bothered about the Red Bulls crashing.

Nice one McLaren, I do hope there is some more battles between them and Red Bull :)

[CJW93]

Wooo, perfect result. Love seeing Red Bull collide :D

[Jam]

Missed the crash, but pleased for McLaren 1/2 and of course, Sauber & Kobayashi's first point this year.

[CJW93]

Lol Lewis Hamilton just answered my question on the f1 forum and called me mate :D

[Catzsy]

Lol Lewis Hamilton just answered my question on the f1 forum and called me mate :D

Woah that's quite something! Great race - something happening all the time even to the end of the field. Nice result too. I thought it was funny them giving Vettel a cuddle. I bet he had some harsh words off camera.

[Jordy]

Lol Lewis Hamilton just answered my question on the f1 forum and called me mate :DWhat'd you ask and what'd he reply?

kudos there "mate" anyway :D

[N!ck]

Red Bull 1, 2 every race gets tedious.

They do deserve it though with the superb car and quality drivers.


Wooo, perfect result. Love seeing Red Bull collide :D

A little harsh, but it was exciting.

I have been a Red Bull fan for a couple of years now and would love to see Sebastian/Mark take the championship. Although McLaren are growing on me now though. Have been a Button fan for a while and now he has had decent cars for the past two seasons his skill is showing. Lewis is great too with the way he's always pushing and never gives up.


Lol Lewis Hamilton just answered my question on the f1 forum and called me mate :D

What was the question and answer?

[CJW93]

I basically asked if today's win would be the kick start to his season, his reply was something about upgrades in canada and hoping to see me in silverstone. When it is on iplayer i shall post the time of it. I wasn't listening to the answer too much because i was just laughing and shocked that he answered

[CJW93]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00srcx4/Formula_1_2010_The_Turkish_Grand_Prix_Forum/ at around the 36 minute mark my question gets answerd Charlie from Essex :D

[immense]

Ha nice one Chazzzzzz! Anyway, was a really good watch, some good battles. I would have preferred a Mclaren 1,2 without the collision between Vettel and Webber but whatever. Glad Hamilton won anyway :)

[CJW93]

Canada will suite the McLaren's. Hopefully Red Bull still won't be liking thier f-duct :D

[Black_Apalachi]

Boring race until the last 10 laps. Lewis is a lucky *****.

[Hmmmm]

Boring race until the last 10 laps. Lewis is a lucky *****.

Yh, if Vettel wasn't such an idiot it would have been a Red Bull one-two.

[CJW93]

Cant believe qualy is on at the same time as the england game

[xxMATTGxx]

Lewis did a good job getting back on pole! Can't wait for tomorrows race. :D

[Deak]

Yeh - Well done to Lewis, shame Jenson hasnt qualified a little higher ... but still hope for a win for Lewis and a good set of points for Jenson - possibly a podium finish in the race 2mora.

[xxMATTGxx]

It was reported before that Hamilton may lose pole position for being over time limit on returning to the pits. But now its being reported: "Breaking News: Hamilton gets fine and reprimand, but keeps pole position."

[CJW93]

Elated to see him on pole, still have to watch it, lucky its recorded :)

[Jordy]

Webber's changed his gearbox so he'll now be starting in 7th due to the 5 place grid drop.

[StefanWolves]

That means button is on the second row? McLaren have the pace on Red Bull now and I expect a McLaren 1-2.

[Jam]

Very exciting start to the race, definitely the best of 2010 so far.

[StefanWolves]

What a race! still on for a McLaren 1-2. Hamilton is leading ATM with Button back in third.

[xxMATTGxx]

McLaren 1-2 at the moment! COME ON BOYS :D

[StefanWolves]

That means button is on the second row? McLaren have the pace on Red Bull now and I expect a McLaren 1-2.

I amaze myself.

[xxMATTGxx]

McLaren 1-2 once again, fantastic race. Well done to Lewis and Jenson! :D

[Deak]

McLaren 1-2 once again, fantastic race. Well done to Lewis and Jenson! :D

And a McLaren 1 - 2 in the championship xD

[Jordy]

I amaze myself.Kudos there, nice prediction :)

Fantastic race I thoroughly enjoyed it all, what a great circuit too. Schumacher is up to his dirty old tricks again it seems and Force India should of done better tbh. While I'm a big fan of Sutil, I can't help but notice he's always involved in a lot of incidents, they're not usually his fault but it's a bit suspicious :P

[Black_Apalachi]

Canada is now my favourite Grand Prix. Just found it really exciting

[Catzsy]

Was a very exciting race. One of the best of the season.

[CJW93]

Was race of the season, Hamilton world championship leader :)

[Callum.]

Webbers crash looked nasty.

[xxMATTGxx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoK_WNvAZP8

[CJW93]

Was a bad crash to say the least, glad Hamilton kept second, looking forward to silverstone

[Deak]

suprised nobody has already posted here yet ...

Anyway... back on topic: I'm glad for Mark Webber after having had to give his upgraded front wing to Seb Vettel and still won the race (obviously with a little bit of help from Lewis givin Vettel a touch and a puncture :P ). I knew that something was going to kick off between the two Red Bull drivers - something tells me one of them wont be there next year (most likely Webber will leave).

It was a decent race for Lewis - he did what he needed to at the first corner and kept it together for a good 2nd place finish & kept his lead in the championship.

The safety car for Jenson worked out perfectly for him & finishing 4th after starting 14th i reckon he will be happy ... obviously its not the podium finish he wants but as i said to finish 4th from starting 14th he surely cant be too mad!

Fernando Alonso, LOL! Well i think it was harsh to have been given a drive-through penalty after Kubica went out, but hey what can you do! He's not havin a good last couple of race is he... at least he got to see Spain win the WC!

[CJW93]

I think the new section at silverstone has helped over taking and makes for great racing, I also love the new safety car rules as it bunches up the field alot more. got my tickets for the German Grand Prix and I cannot wait

[CJW93]

Can't believe how fast Ferrari have been this weekend, yet another Vettel pole though :( Hoping to see both McLarens fight each other tomorrow with Hamilton getting then better of Button and a podium :D

[Jordy]

Aha Vettel got what he deserved trying to pin Alonso to the wall (I hate it when drivers do that). Alonso to win hopefully :)

[xxMATTGxx]

Aha Vettel got what he deserved trying to pin Alonso to the wall (I hate it when drivers do that). Alonso to win hopefully :)

Team Orders, what a disgrace.

[CJW93]

Disgusting.

[xxMATTGxx]

Ferrari have been fined $100,000 for breaching sporting regulations after appearing to implement team orders during the German Prix. The Italian team has also been referred to the sport's governing body, the FIA, after Felipe Massa slowed down to allow team-mate Fernando Alonso past to win.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8852918.stm

[CJW93]

This is a travesty. So they have been fined and is that all the punishment they get?

[Catzsy]

Link doesn't work Matt but here is another one:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85552


It said that the penalty would be: "Fine $100,000. The case will also be referred to the FIA World Motorsport Council for further consideration

Case is further being considered. I hope they get disqualified. Really put a shadow over the race as far as I was concerned.

[beth]

i love alonso; but i do agree that felipe should have won today.

i'm not a massive fan of ferrari: they seem to ignore all rules/boundaries and do whatever they please.

but still, alonso is my main mannn. ahaha!

[CJW93]

Anyone else see that amazing Ayrton Senna piece on top Gear tonight, brilliant footage of the great man in action and Hamilton driving the mp4/4

[Jordy]

Yeah the Senna tribute was pretty good I thought.

As for the passing, that's some what of a grey area in Formula 1, at the end of the day it is a team sport but the rules aren't clear what so ever on team orders.

[Deak]

Surely if Alonso was faster than Massa he would have passed him without being told to by the team... ( of which i think is totally wrong and they should be disqualified from the race )

Decent race still though, especially the first couple of corners :)

[Ajthedragon]

What Alonso did is disgusting, it was ridiculous and it's dark days for the sport... Massa deserved that win, and as a huge criticizer of Ferrari anyway (I've always dislike the way they played with Schumacher, such as Austria 2002) I think it's terrible. The only way they can enforce this role, is to only allow engineers to say certain things, and make sure all engineers have to say the same things, such as -

-Lewis 0.9 seconds behind, catching
-0.9 off car in front, keep pushing

I can only see such ways as these that they can truly enforce this rule, the only team I can actually don't do this, on-track at least, are Red Bull (the wing was off-track still). I jut hope Massa see's the light of day and maybe discontinues his contract and goes to Renault, and wins a championship he deserves.

[xxMATTGxx]

It was pretty clear what went on when Massa got asked "does he understand that message" or whatever it was. I do not know why they could not just race for it, I'm sure if Alonso was quicker then he would of got it him over the next X amount of laps that was left. It is a great shame this has taken place and I feel sorry for Massa and I believe Ferrari need a kick up the backside and sort themselves out.

I've never been a huge fan of Alonso anyway for always whinging and complaining at silly things.

[CJW93]

He says Valencia was a scandal, what does this incident come under?

[Ajthedragon]

Exactly, and in all fairness to Lewis, it was so bloody close. And I can't stand Alonso, after the British Gran Prix everyone was taking the piss out of him on stage, it was hilarious, shows how unpopular he is.

[Jordy]

Hmm it's not surprising Alonso is unpopular in the UK but I do think he has incredible talent and has an interesting but fair driving style. All too often some moves by Vettel and Hamilton aren't too sportsman like but he's consistently fair. I like to see him do well occasionally anyway (Just more legitimately).

It's Ferrari you have to blame for favouring Alonso and the team orders anyways.

[Rock]

YAY come on Sebastian! 1-2 for Red Bull. The low downforce track really has helped. But I still am worried for tomorrow. He barely converts poles into wins.

[xxMATTGxx]

http://mattgarner.net/upload/images/1280782341.jpg

Naughty!

[Ajthedragon]

YAY come on Sebastian! 1-2 for Red Bull. The low downforce track really has helped. But I still am worried for tomorrow. He barely converts poles into wins.

And he didn't. Frankly I can't stand his attitude anyway, he complains just like Alonso. I hope Mark wins the title. A shame about Lewis though. :(

[Rock]

And he didn't. Frankly I can't stand his attitude anyway, he complains just like Alonso. I hope Mark wins the title. A shame about Lewis though. :(

Personally, I think he seems a very nice guy who has had to mature very quickly because of his talent. Although he did behave stupidly when he got the penalty today. The rule is ridiculous. What is the point in it anyway? Anyone explain?

[Suspective]

This is what the F1 Regulations state regarding the safety car and being 10 lengths:


40.7 All competing cars must then reduce speed and form up in line behind the safety car no more than ten car lengths apart. In order to ensure that drivers reduce speed sufficiently, from the time at which the “SAFETY CAR DEPLOYED” message is shown on the timing monitors until the time that each car crosses the first safety car line for the first time, drivers must stay above the minimum time set by the FIA ECU.


http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/sporting_regulations/8687/fia.html

[Ajthedragon]

The point it to stop teams giving one driver an advantage by making another driver hold everyone up. Which is what Red Bull demonstrated in that Seb held the pack giving Mark more space, all be it they didn't actually mean too, but the rule still stands.

[Deak]

Just seen the highlights...

Naughty Schumacher... at least he got his 10 place penalty for the next race! On the point of penalties I think that the drive thru which Vettel got was right too.

Its a shame that Lewis didnt finish the race & i reckon he would have ended up fourth or fifth.

Final point ... Congrats to Webber, did a good race - if Lewis or Jenson dont end up winning the drivers title i would be really happy to see him win it as he's having a good season and would definately be a worthy winner!

[Jordy]

Missed this race but from watching the highlights it didn't seem too interesting, there was literally no over-taking by the looks of things other than Schumacher's ridiculous move. That accident in the pitlane was waiting to happen, all season they've been building up to a pitlane crash unfortunately.

[Rock]

Missed this race but from watching the highlights it didn't seem too interesting, there was literally no over-taking by the looks of things other than Schumacher's ridiculous move. That accident in the pitlane was waiting to happen, all season they've been building up to a pitlane crash unfortunately.

That was crazy, but I don't understand why Kubica got a stop/go penalty. It was the lollipop man's fault, so Renault should have been fined instead.

[Ajthedragon]

Just seen the highlights...

Naughty Schumacher... at least he got his 10 place penalty for the next race! On the point of penalties I think that the drive thru which Vettel got was right too.

Its a shame that Lewis didnt finish the race & i reckon he would have ended up fourth or fifth.

Final point ... Congrats to Webber, did a good race - if Lewis or Jenson dont end up winning the drivers title i would be really happy to see him win it as he's having a good season and would definately be a worthy winner!




Totally agree, Mark Webber would be a worthy winner, in the future myself I'd like to see Nico Rosberg and Felipe Massa become champions. :)

[Rock]

Personally, even though I am a Vettel fan I have to admit:

1. Mark Webber
2. Lewis Hamilton
3. Sebastian Vettel
4. Jenson Button
5. Fernando Alonso

will be final result. Basically what it is now.

[Suspective]

I think Lewis will get out on top. I can't see Red Bull sustaining a championship win. They have the speed in quali but they aren't to good when it comes to race day and pulling a good strategy off. They are improving though. I'd rather Red Bull were up there then Ferrari.

[Deak]

I think Lewis will get out on top. I can't see Red Bull sustaining a championship win. They have the speed in quali but they aren't to good when it comes to race day and pulling a good strategy off. They are improving though. I'd rather Red Bull were up there then Ferrari.

I think Lewis will also come out on top because i believe that McLaren will have some good upgrades and the Red Bulls keep messing up on race days; crashing into each other, penalties.

On what you put about you would prefer Red Bull to win rather than Ferrari - I totally agree, I think Fernando Alonso is just a big cry baby.. yeh he's a good racing driver but still ... I dont mind Felipe Massa tho - I think he's a good driver and WILL become a champion eventually.

McLaren FTW :)

[CJW93]

Still think Hamilton will win the title. It will go to the wire

[Rock]

Just 8 days till Spa. It will be a circuit which McLaren will have the upper-hand. Should be interesting.

[Deak]

Lewis and Jenson for a 1-2 me thinks :)

[Jordy]

Grahhh I miss Formula 1, it always takes up a couple of hours on Sat+Sun which is nice. Plus I'm just dying to see Spa, I think it's fair to say it's the best circuit :)

[Catzsy]

Can't wait for the weekend. I am suffering withdrawal symptoms especially when I thought there was one on last weekend :( News from Maclaren that they seem pleased with their updates. Lets hope they wok in practice.

[Deak]

Can't wait for the weekend. I am suffering withdrawal symptoms especially when I thought there was one on last weekend :( News from Maclaren that they seem pleased with their updates. Lets hope they wok in practice.

I cant wait either, i hope that the updates work (your lil mis-type, lol) too and they get back to the top of both tables.

I hate having to wait 2 weeks for a Grand Prix - never mind 3!

[Catzsy]

I cant wait either, i hope that the updates work (your lil mis-type, lol) too and they get back to the top of both tables.

I hate having to wait 2 weeks for a Grand Prix - never mind 3!

Yes - wok! LOL :) Spa is a good long circuit too so hope they do well.

[Deak]

Lewis Hamilton has been hit with a $500 (£288) fine after his trouble in Melbourne.

Full Story in the spoiler.


British Formula 1 driver Lewis Hamilton has been fined a $500 (£288) for performing car stunts for fans outside Melbourne's motor racing circuit.

Hamilton was caught by police executing "burnout" and "fishtail" tricks in a borrowed Mercedes two days before the Australian Grand Prix in March.

The 2008 Formula 1 world champion was not in court to hear his punishment.

But his lawyer said Hamilton, 25, was pleading guilty to the charge of improper use of a motor vehicle.

Lawyer Sandip Mukerjea said Hamilton had publicly apologised over the incident, and suffered "embarrassment, humiliation and distress" following the subsequent media coverage.

Mr Mukerjea added that Hamilton had written two letters to the court to explain why he could not be present. He is due to drive in this weekend's Belgian Grand Prix.

Magistrate Clive Alsop said Hamilton was a role model for young people, and had a responsibility to set a good example.

"This is about somebody in a responsible position behaving like a hoon ," said Mr Alsop.

He added that he would not record a conviction as it was the first offence of its kind by Hamilton.

[B]'Over-exuberant'

The incident in Melbourne took place on Friday, 26 March, following practice for this year's Australian Grand Prix.

Hamilton was driving away from the motor racing circuit in a borrowed Mercedes-Benz car, when he was arrested after a police officer saw him deliberately spinning his wheels.

The car was subsequently impounded, and Hamilton was charged.

Hamilton said following the incident that he had been "over-exuberant".

"What I did was silly, and I want to apologise for it," he added.

Hamilton subsequently finished sixth in the Australian Grand Prix.

He is currently second in the Formula 1 drivers' championship, four points behind leader Mark Webber

Yeh like this is guna hurt his bank balance!

[Rock]

Lewis Hamilton has been hit with a $500 (£288) fine after his trouble in Melbourne.

Full Story in the spoiler.


Yeh like this is guna hurt his bank balance!

Why does he KEEP doing this? I forgot what the last one was for.

Anyway the Belgian Grand Prix is going to be damage limitation for Red Bull :(

[Ajthedragon]

Why does he KEEP doing this? I forgot what the last one was for.

Anyway the Belgian Grand Prix is going to be damage limitation for Red Bull :(

Hehe, lets hope Mclaren win! :) And I hope their updates work.

Red Bulls should have the advantage of being able to carry speeds into corners, rather than Mclaren having to slow down, and Ferrari being somewhere in the middle. :P Should be a close race, all be it it will be more difficult for a red bull to take over somebody than a Mclaren or a Ferrari.

Should the Mclarens not win have to go with Felipe Massa, Nico Rosberg or Mark Webber. :P

[Catzsy]

Looks like a slap on the finger! Not even a slap on the wrist. Probably because it is rumoured that it was it was Mark Webber that reported him.

[Deak]

Looks like a slap on the finger! Not even a slap on the wrist. Probably because it is rumoured that it was it was Mark Webber that reported him.

The police caught him doing it, didnt they :S

True not even a slap on the wrist, he will have earned more during that weekend.

[Catzsy]

The police caught him doing it, didnt they :S

True not even a slap on the wrist, he will have earned more during that weekend.

After a phone call I understand.

[Deak]

After a phone call I understand.

Aaah i didnt know that & i doubt Mark Webber would phone them up - but who knows - unless i missed something?

[Catzsy]

Aaah i didnt know that & i doubt Mark Webber would phone them up - but who knows - unless i missed something?

Well there is a little 'heat' between them so as you say who knows. It was rumoured at the time and he looked a bit sheepish when interviewed. Also he was kept at the police station when he should have been resting for the race.

[Deak]

Well there is a little 'heat' between them so as you say who knows. It was rumoured at the time and he looked a bit sheepish when interviewed. Also he was kept at the police station when he should have been resting for the race.

Ok i didnt know this, thanks :)

[Rock]

So Mark Webber VERY SURPRISINGLY on pole. The rain really confirmed the order. VERY good lap from Hamilton in the rain to go second!

[Deak]

So far so good for Lewis today... it helps that some of the other top men are out.

Come on lewis dont mess this up!

[Ajthedragon]

Another stupid overtake gone wrong from Vettel, brilliant efforts from Mark and Robert, but I guess Lewis just sealed the deal! :)

[xxMATTGxx]

Lewis and McLaren did well this weekend, shame about Jenson due to Vettels mistake. Great weekend for F1 and even the rain gave us some excitement here and there.

[StefanWolves]

Does anyone else hate Vettel? Really would love to punch him in the face.

[Jordy]

I quite like Vettel as he's one of the more interesting drivers, sometimes it doesn't pay off taking the risks he does but it makes it all a lot more interesting sometimes. Button for example isn't particularly interesting to watch I find so I always appreciate drivers who take risks etc, Hamilton, Sutil and Alonso are some other examples of this.

Amazing drive by Hamilton and a deserved victory, I thought the first few laps were fascinating to watch.

[Deak]

Well deserved win by Lewis, lead from the first corner - back leading the drivers championship and 1 point behind in the constructors championship.
I thought Robert Kubica & Mark Webber drove well today and deserved a podium place.

The rain made the race interesting but the McLarens always do well in the rain.

Should have been a 1-2 but silly Vettel decided to go for a game of dodgemens with Jenson :P

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Does anyone else hate Vettel? Really would love to punch him in the face.

Lately i think he is acting childish and tryin to blame things on other people just because he cant get his own way, but he will eventually become a world champion as he is a good driver. Back to why i quoted above, Yes i would given the chance.

[Rock]

I'm going to stay away from this part of the forum for a bit. I will get slayed by Jenson fans! I am hugely disappointed by what he did. Battle has been joined between Mark and Lewis. LOOOL

[xxMATTGxx]

I'm going to stay away from this part of the forum for a bit. I will get slayed by Jenson fans! I am hugely disappointed by what he did. Battle has been joined between Mark and Lewis. LOOOL

Button did nothing wrong.

[Deak]

Button did nothing wrong.

I have to agree here, Jenson was just going round the track like normal until Seb came n crashed into him.

[Ajthedragon]

I have to agree here, Jenson was just going round the track like normal until Seb came n crashed into him.

Bit like Webber then, he'll be attacking Lewis next. :P

[Catzsy]

I was just gutted for Jenson.:( Great for Lewis though. It's not all over yet though.

[Rock]

Guys I meant I was disappointed by what Vettel did, NOT Jenson!

[Rock]

Jenson has come out and said that he believes Sebastian is too error-prone to be Drivers Champion. He is right, unfortunately.

[Ajthedragon]

Too right he is, put him back on Toro Rosso so he can learn to take over again. :P

[The Professor]

Jenson has come out and said that he believes Sebastian is too error-prone to be Drivers Champion. He is right, unfortunately.

Good, Jenson doesn't usually speak out against other people so you know its serious!

[Ajthedragon]

Good, Jenson doesn't usually speak out against other people so you know its serious!

I guess you would if someone has just taken away your shot at being world champion. I don't think Button or Alonso will recover frankly. Vettel might, but he'll probably take himself out so meh.

[CJW93]

Was a fantastic race and Hamilton the leader. Happy days

[Deak]

Yep, glad Hamilton is winning the championship... hopefully we will see a 1-2 in the next race & keep Hamilton in the 1st place in the championship.

[Ajthedragon]

Yeah, but those Red Bulls are quick everywhere so you never know! :)

[Deak]

Yeah, but those Red Bulls are quick everywhere so you never know! :)

True but if they have an off day hopefully the McLarens will be there to get some good points :)

[Ajthedragon]

Mclaren do seem to be making the most of Red Bull's mistakes, all be it Button took a blow from one of them..

[Deak]

Mclaren do seem to be making the most of Red Bull's mistakes, all be it Button took a blow from one of them..

True, but at least Lewis is still scoring good points. Next time vettel goes for a spin into a car hopefully it will be fernando alonso's car so we can see a punch up :P

[Ajthedragon]

True, but at least Lewis is still scoring good points. Next time vettel goes for a spin into a car hopefully it will be fernando alonso's car so we can see a punch up :P

Mclaren should have the edge, but from Singapore onwards its all about Red Bulls strengths. I honestly think Marks going to win this year. :P

[Deak]

1) Alonso --- 2) Button
3) Massa --- 4) Webber
5) Hamilton --- 6) Vettel
7) Rosberg --- 8) Hulkenberg
9) Kubica --- 10) Barrichello

Who's your money on for the win then tommorow?

I reckon Alonso, Webber, Hamilton

[Catzsy]

1) Alonso --- 2) Button
3) Massa --- 4) Webber
5) Hamilton --- 6) Vettel
7) Rosberg --- 8) Hulkenberg
9) Kubica --- 10) Barrichello

Who's your money on for the win then tommorow?

I reckon Alonso, Webber, Hamilton



I wouldn't rule out Jenson. Its circuit that is rough on the tyres and he is exceptionally good at managing them.

[Deak]

I've only seen bits of the race today ... going to watch highlights later but from what i've seen it was a good race - shame Jenson lost out in the pits & well its also very unlucky that Lewis was out on the first lap - i think he would have finished 3rd or 4th probably.

Oh well, at least Lewis isnt far behind Webber for the championship.

[Jordy]

I really couldn't get into this grand prix, perhaps other things were on my mind or because I missed qualifying but it just seemed incredibly dull with no incidents or over-taking really.

It's a real shame for Hamilton and hardly ideal for his championship and I'm also pretty gutted how Button lost out to Alonso.

[Deak]

I really couldn't get into this grand prix, perhaps other things were on my mind or because I missed qualifying but it just seemed incredibly dull with no incidents or over-taking really.

It's a real shame for Hamilton and hardly ideal for his championship and I'm also pretty gutted how Button lost out to Alonso.

I agree with you that F1 is pretty dull at the moment & they keep sayin that they are going to make it better - problem is they've been sayin this for the last 2-3 years!

For me the only good part about the race is the start or if the weather isn't good...

[xxMATTGxx]

I really couldn't get into this grand prix, perhaps other things were on my mind or because I missed qualifying but it just seemed incredibly dull with no incidents or over-taking really.

It's a real shame for Hamilton and hardly ideal for his championship and I'm also pretty gutted how Button lost out to Alonso.


I agree with you that F1 is pretty dull at the moment & they keep sayin that they are going to make it better - problem is they've been sayin this for the last 2-3 years!

For me the only good part about the race is the start or if the weather isn't good...

I wouldn't say that for the whole F1 season though, there has been some great races this year but there is some that have been quite dull and even boring at times and this was one of them. I'm not sure why but it just seemed boring after the first lap or so and then I had other things on my mind also and I would rather of done my college work really as nothing seem to of happened. Shame about Lewis really, I would of wanted to watch it all fully if he was still in the race and see where he would of got without the F-Duct setup. I'm quite pleased that Button got 2nd but didn't really want Alonso getting 1st, urgh I hate him.

There was always the question if this year was going to be very boring due to the new rules and regulations they brought in such as the no-refueling at the pit stops, but I wouldn't say it has damaged the whole season.

[Deak]

I wouldn't say that for the whole F1 season though, there has been some great races this year but there is some that have been quite dull and even boring at times and this was one of them. I'm not sure why but it just seemed boring after the first lap or so and then I had other things on my mind also and I would rather of done my college work really as nothing seem to of happened. Shame about Lewis really, I would of wanted to watch it all fully if he was still in the race and see where he would of got without the F-Duct setup. I'm quite pleased that Button got 2nd but didn't really want Alonso getting 1st, urgh I hate him.

There was always the question if this year was going to be very boring due to the new rules and regulations they brought in such as the no-refueling at the pit stops, but I wouldn't say it has damaged the whole season.

Yeh i agree there has been some good races, but still needs something which makes it more exciting & yeh im 100% agree with your comment on Alonso as I dont like him either.

[Ajthedragon]

Canada and Spa for example - brilliant races. Oh and China in the wet. :)

Vettel drove brilliantly, he really drove that car to the limit, in spite of his team most likely cutting the power so Mark could pass him, and in turn, giving Mark less points. I really feel Lewis would have made the Gran Prix interesting, I reckon he could've got Massa, Button and Alonso, it was totally his own mistake though, he went in far too hard, I just saw him doing it from the start, my dad thought I was psychic when I managed to predict Button would pass and lose out in the pits. :P

[Ajthedragon]

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/9/11257.html - Pedro De La Rosa replaced by Nick Heidfeld. Looks like Sauber have the upper hand with tyres!

[Ajthedragon]

Singapore is very likely to be a wet race. http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/89, weather likely to stay.

[Deak]

Singapore is very likely to be a wet race. http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/89, weather likely to stay.

That could make things interesting then ... well i hope so :)

[Ajthedragon]

Remember in China, Red Bull were terrible in the wet. :P

[Deak]

Remember in China, Red Bull were terrible in the wet. :P

Lets hope for a similar result then & a good 1-2 for McLaren :)

[Jam]

Ugh, Singapore? Only circuit duller is Valencia.

[Ajthedragon]

Makes for some good crashes though. :P

[-paul.]

Have we had silverstone yet?

[Deak]

Have we had silverstone yet?

Yep was 11th July & Mark Webber won, Lewis Hamilton came 2nd, Nico Rosberg 3rd & Jenson Button 4th.

[Deak]

Just done myself some research on the current points system and the points system from last year and i'd thought i would show you my findings...
Last year / This Year

Webber 187 / Hamilton 75
Hamilton 182 / Webber 74
Alonso 166 / Alonso 67
Button 165 / Button 67
Vettel 163 / Vettel 66
Massa124 / Massa50
Rosberg 112 / Rosberg 50
Kubica 108 / Kubica 42

So, Hamilton would be leading by 1 point and it would still be close for the other positions but technically be further behind seen as now 25 points is awarded for a win and 10 for last year - so it shows me that its a lot better for the championship with this years points system.

Thoughts? Which points system do you prefer?

[Deak]

Another DNF for Lewis :@

Good race for Fernando Alonso & Seb Vettel - they deserved the 1st / 2nd place finish.

Alonso is now an even bigger threat for the title now... At least the top 5 are still split by 20 points but now any / any more DNF's are crucial and now the most consistent driver will win the championship.

lol @ Heikki 'The Fireman' Kovalainen on the last lap :P

Hopefully in Japan in 2 weeks McLaren will get 2 cars finishing!

[Ajthedragon]

I'm backing Alonso for the win this year, that Ferrari is an adaptable car. If Seb drove like he did on Sunday I might actually like him. He drove a solid race, no mistakes, very good. Full marks to Nico Rosberg too, I'd love to see him win a title some day.

[Deak]

I'm backing Alonso for the win this year, that Ferrari is an adaptable car. If Seb drove like he did on Sunday I might actually like him. He drove a solid race, no mistakes, very good. Full marks to Nico Rosberg too, I'd love to see him win a title some day.

Yep you gotta say Fernando Alonso is favourite now for the title, but i will be mad if he wins by 7 points or less because that would mean he's won it by team orders when he passed Massa to win.

Nice Rosberg & Robert Kubica will become title challengers if they have the right car underneath them.

[Ajthedragon]

I reckon Button would've been better off at Mercedes. That car under steers terribly, a feature Button loves. I'd love to have seen Nico vs Lewis too! :)

[Deak]

I reckon Button would've been better off at Mercedes. That car under steers terribly, a feature Button loves. I'd love to have seen Nico vs Lewis too! :)

Interesting thought, Nico v Lewis would be a good team which i think would work

[Ajthedragon]

Maybe they'd be leading the championship, I hope either Nico or Lewis win next year. Kinda went **** up for them both. ;)

[Deak]

Maybe they'd be leading the championship, I hope either Nico or Lewis win next year. Kinda went **** up for them both. ;)

Lewis still has a chance this year but i doubt it a lot, hopefully he'll do it this year or next year.

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A rumor on the BBC website is the Kimi Raikkonnen is possibly returning next year for a drive at Renault.

[Ajthedragon]

I hope he hasn't lost his touch! :)

[Ajthedragon]

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/10/11339.html

Red Bull's supplying hydraulics and gearbox's to Lotus. Looks like they are really serious about 2011!

[Deak]

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/10/11339.html

Red Bull's supplying hydraulics and gearbox's to Lotus. Looks like they are really serious about 2011!

Well lets home the newer teams can make it more interesting next year with a better car & not just be there to lets cars past like in most races this year

[Ajthedragon]

Lotus will win at this rate!

[Deak]

Lotus will win at this rate!

lol - we're just guna have to wait until the first race next year to find this out!

and another thing we're guna have to do is see if the team name is "Lotus" next year as there's possibly a name change dependin on sponsors.

[Ajthedragon]

Team Lotus rather than Lotus Racing you mean. ;) Team Lotus was like the original name, and ties up with Lotus Auto. :)

[Jam]

If they do change the name, does the Lotus Racing 'history' get merged with Team Lotus or is it viewed that they were a team for a year and their records are seperate?

[Ajthedragon]

It's still the same somehow, its like any team changing names Malboro Mclaren Honda, West Mclaren Mercedes and Vodaphone Mclaren Mercedes. All the same! :)

[Jam]

Yeah but Lotus Racing was viewed as another team and Team Lotus still being defunct, not just a sponsorship name change.

[Ajthedragon]

I believe it's really a matter of opinion. They have added this years results to those of 'Team Lotus' anyway!

[Jam]

Ah well its all good.

Except the weather, although I think only having 4/5 hours between quali and the race will make it much more interesting, I'd prefer the format to be this way always.

[Callum.]

was looking forward to qualifying today :(

[Deak]

Well after watching the highlights and the forum here's my thoughts from the GP from Suzuka.

I prefer quali to be on a saturday rather than a sunday ( i know nothing could have been done this weekend).

Vettel drove a good race and did what he needed with Webber coming a close 2nd. Lewis was unlucky to lose 3rd gear but at least he finished in 5th & i thought he did the right thing letting Button through.

In terms of the drivers championship i think its now down to 3 title chasers; Vettel, Webber & Alonso ... out of the 3 i would prefer Webber to win overall.
In terms of the constructors championship Red Bull will more than likely win it this year.

Bring on Korea in 2 weeks time ... F1 going into the unknown :O

Only problem is that its an early start again, which im not really a morning person :P

[Callum.]

Only problem is that its an early start again, which im not really a morning person :P

Likewise, but Suzuka start woke me up I must say.

[Deak]

Likewise, but Suzuka start woke me up I must say.

All i do is watch the highlights when i get up and hopefully avoid all newspapers and tv coverage of it & it usually doesn't work but then i still watch the highlights anyway :P

[Suspective]

They usually show a re-run for early starts. I always give in, and ensure I wake up early!

[Deak]

So my thoughts on the Korean GP... bloody rain & safety cars! At least they got to race eventually...
2x DNF for Red Bull is just the wrong result which they could have asked for especially at this late in the championship.
Glad Lewis got 2nd place though & has put himself back in contention for the title, i hope anybody bar Fernando Alonso wins :P

Looks now like Button is out of the title hunt - so its down to Alonso, Webber, Hamilton & Vettel ... who's your money on?

I think Alonso will win as he's been the most consistent in the last few races - hope im wrong!

[Callum.]

I think it'll be down to engines. I think the main 4 have used all their engines up and are on their last one (current one) so it'll be interesting considering they could end up like Seb did today.

[Zak]

I hate Alonso. I love f1, but seriously if he wins the championship this year. I'm out.

[Jordy]

Must admit I've suddenly lost interest in F1 for no apparent reason but this is a right laugh;
http://www.grandprix.com/columns/maurice-hamilton/bursting-the-bubble.html

[Zak]

Must admit I've suddenly lost interest in F1 for no apparent reason but this is a right laugh;
http://www.grandprix.com/columns/maurice-hamilton/bursting-the-bubble.html

lmfao. some of the comments are class

[Deak]

FIVE-WAY BATTLE EXPLAINED

1 ALONSO 231pts
2 WEBBER 220pts
3 HAMILTON 210pts
4 VETTEL 206pts
5 BUTTON 189pts



If Alonso wins in Brazil, he will be champion unless Webber is higher than fourth



If Alonso is second, he will be champion unless Webber is higher than eighth, Hamilton higher than fourth or Vettel wins



If Alonso is third, he will be champion unless Webber finishes in the top 10, Hamilton in the top four and Vettel in the top three



If Alonso does not finish on the podium, it will go to Abu Dhabi



Button can only stay in contention if he finishes first or second but is out if Alonso finishes in the top six or if Webber is in the top two



Vettel must beat Alonso on track to stay in contention

[Jam]

If Alonso wins by less than 8 points I reckon there will be hell on.

[Deak]

If Alonso wins by less than 8 points I reckon there will be hell on.

Yep if he wins by 7 points because of that switch I reckon Red Bull / McLaren will appeal again

[Deak]

If Alonso wins by less than 8 points I reckon there will be hell on.

If he wins by 7 points or less then yes there will be hell on!

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Hulkenberg on Pole... shock result or what?

Reckon that he wont win the race, but stranger things have happened... I'm hoping Alonso crashes out & Vettel n Webber crash into each other leaving Hamilton to win the race :)

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*** BREAKING NEWS ***

Jenson Button has been involved in an armed attack on his car in Brazil ... McLaren say he is unharmed

No news story page yet but it has only just happened... I heard it on Sky Sports News

[Conservative,]

Omg hope jenson is alright.

[Deak]

Omg hope jenson is alright.

They say he is fine and will give more info later in morning.

[Conservative,]

They say he is fine and will give more info later in morning.

Good. Where does hamilton have to come?

[Jam]

Good. Where does hamilton have to come?

First, with all other 23 cars retiring.

Its Webber or Alonso, no one else will win.

[Jordy]

I don't understand how the Button incident is the Sports headline atm? Someone targeted his vehicle but his bullet-proof car sped off before anything happened? Therefore it's a bit of a none story as nothing happened but maybe that's just me. Brazil is terribly rough, reminds me of something which happened to the Toyota team many years back;
http://www.gringoes.com/articles.asp?ID_Noticia=1534

[Zak]

Hulkenburg on pole was amazing.

Qualifying session of the year! Can't wait for the race tomorrow! Hope Alonso DNF.

[Callum.]

Hulkenburg's laps were top notch. Looking forward to the race tomorrow. Hoping for a RBR first and second, make things more interesting, not that it's dull!

[Zak]

Would be great if Hulkenburg won ;) but I doubt that'll happen somehow :p

[xxMATTGxx]

I don't understand how the Button incident is the Sports headline atm? Someone targeted his vehicle but his bullet-proof car sped off before anything happened? Therefore it's a bit of a none story as nothing happened but maybe that's just me. Brazil is terribly rough, reminds me of something which happened to the Toyota team many years back;
http://www.gringoes.com/articles.asp?ID_Noticia=1534

Think it's the first time in a while and that they got closer to the driver or something.

[Ed.]

I agree with Matt. I think its the fact that they got close to him and his car and also the fact that there are people actually targeting him.

[Deak]

Good. Where does hamilton have to come?

This is all of the complications for the race...

FIVE-WAY BATTLE EXPLAINED



If Alonso wins in Brazil, he will be champion unless Webber is higher than fourth



If Alonso is second, he will be champion unless Webber is higher than eighth, Hamilton higher than fourth or Vettel win



If Alonso is third, he will be champion unless Webber finishes in the top 10, Hamilton in the top four and Vettel in the top three



If Alonso does not finish on the podium, it will go to Abu Dhabi



Button can only stay in contention if he finishes first or second but is out if Alonso finishes in the top six or if Webber is in the top two



Vettel must beat Alonso on track to stay in contention

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I don't understand how the Button incident is the Sports headline atm? Someone targeted his vehicle but his bullet-proof car sped off before anything happened? Therefore it's a bit of a none story as nothing happened but maybe that's just me. Brazil is terribly rough, reminds me of something which happened to the Toyota team many years back;
http://www.gringoes.com/articles.asp?ID_Noticia=1534

How can you say it's not news? He was being attacked by four or five armed men!

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Hulkenburg on pole was amazing.

Qualifying session of the year! Can't wait for the race tomorrow! Hope Alonso DNF.

I've seen quali this morning on BBC website and he drove perfectly and even beat his time on his last flying lap, proves it wasn't a fluke lap.

I also agree, Alonso DNF is what is needed.

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Would be great if Hulkenburg won ;) but I doubt that'll happen somehow :p

I can see him going behind at least one of the Red Bull cars after the first lap, but that would be nice to see.

[Suspective]

Brilliant effort by Hulkenburg. Reminds me of when Force India, got a pole a couple of years ago.

It defiantly was the best qualifying this year by far. Not long to go now! :D

[Jam]

Reminds me of when Force India, got a pole a couple of years ago.

Last year.

[Suspective]

indeed?

[Deak]

So ... good race by the top 3.

so how does it stand now?

Alonso 246
Webber 238 (-8)
Vettel 231 (-15)
Hamilton 222 (-24)

Jenson cant win the title now.

Congrats to RBR for winning the constructors championship.

I'm now routing for Mark Webber to win the drivers championship, but if Vettel wins i wont mind... just as long as Alonso doesn't win i dont mind now!

[N!ck]

TBH, Red Bull should have probably done some team orders to give Mark a better chance of winning. 8 Points behind Alonso vs 1 point behind. Fernando is much more likely to win than if they'd have switched the drivers.

[Jam]

TBH, Red Bull should have probably done some team orders to give Mark a better chance of winning. 8 Points behind Alonso vs 1 point behind. Fernando is much more likely to win than if they'd have switched the drivers.

Horner's ego and ability to moan at everything while leaving the opposition with the least ammo to aim back takes pride of place.

[Deak]

TBH, Red Bull should have probably done some team orders to give Mark a better chance of winning. 8 Points behind Alonso vs 1 point behind. Fernando is much more likely to win than if they'd have switched the drivers.

True, but Seb is still in with a chance of winning ... but has said "if i need to i WILL let mark through".

[clueless]

i secretly love formula 1 im glad i've found this thread

[Ajthedragon]

Why would Red Bull make Vettel let Webber through? What if Webber were to have a problem... Vettel would be another chance, giving Webber the win would have taken away that chance. Good strategy by them!

[Deak]

Why would Red Bull make Vettel let Webber through? What if Webber were to have a problem... Vettel would be another chance, giving Webber the win would have taken away that chance. Good strategy by them!

I agree like they said on the tele... what happens if Webber crashes into Alonso? Vettel can then win the title really easily.

At least he has hinted that he will let Webber through depending on what the race situation is.

[Zak]

I think Red Bull deserve it this year. Go Vettel or Webber!

[Deak]

I think Red Bull deserve it this year. Go Vettel or Webber!

Definitely they've had the best car all year... would prefer Webber to win rather than Vettel tho

[StefanWolves]

I think Red Bull deserve it this year. Go Vettel or Webber!

I hope webber wins. I cannot stand that little weasel vettel.

[Zak]

You mention the race situation... I can't see how there's not some backhanding of cash going on to any drivers that can take out the big players for other teams.. If someone talks out Alonso, I'll be happy.. but I think Ferrari will be the ones backhanding..... not red bull.

[Deak]

You mention the race situation... I can't see how there's not some backhanding of cash going on to any drivers that can take out the big players for other teams.. If someone talks out Alonso, I'll be happy.. but I think Ferrari will be the ones backhanding..... not red bull.

Think about it should Massa become a back marker or is close to Webber or Vettel he could make a "mistake" and wipe one of them out leaving Alonso with only the one car to worry about... i hope not though as it should all be done fairly.

[Deak]

Christian Horner has said that its upto the drivers to decide if switching places is the best thing during the race, which im sure they will if needs be.

This is what each driver needs:


If Alonso wins or is second, he is champion



If Webber wins, he wins the title if Alonso is third or worse



If Vettel wins and Alonso is 5th or worse, Vettel wins the title



If Hamilton wins, Alonso must fail to score, Webber be 6th or worse and Vettel 3rd or worse, Hamilton wins the title

[Deak]

So, the starting positions for the final race are:

1 Vettel
2 Hamilton
3 Alonso
4 Button
5 Webber
6 Massa

IF it ends like this then Alonso will win the championship by 5 points (remember the switch between Massa & Alonso... 7 points gained)
So... should it end like this then there might just be a few angry Red Bull people.

Get your money on Alonso, I know I am! :( :( :( :(

I hope his engine fails or messes the start up. Come on Webber & Vettel!