Italy to follow France in bid to ban the burqa

[-:Undertaker:-]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1247224/Italy-follows-France-bid-ban-burqa.html

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Burqas will be banned in Italy under laws proposed by the government yesterday. Legislation to stop Muslim women wearing the hood and other full-face veils such as the niqab will be introduced, equal opportunities minister Mara Carfagna said. France is already considering outlawing burqas and Miss Carfagna believes other European countries will follow suit. She said: 'This is about a sacrosanct battle to defend the dignity and rights of immigrant women. 'A law is being studied that would ban the use of a burqa and niqab, which are not religious symbols - that's not us saying it, but the top religious authorities of the Islamic world, like the imams of Cairo and Paris.

'I completely agree with the French initiative, which I think will push other European countries and hence, also Italy, to enact laws on this issue.'
Critics see the burqa as a symbol of the subjugation of women. A poll this week found 71 per cent of Italians are in favour of a ban. Italian Muslim groups say they advise women against wearing face veils but that a ban would be an attack on personal freedom.

This comes weeks after UKIP suggested banning burqas in the United Kingdom - thoughts?

[Technologic]

After watching my sister getting called a harlet by some woman in a hijab for wearing a short sleeve top my opinions have somewhat been altered. Headscarves are fine, ban the face covering.

[AlexOC]

Its gonna snowball.
The law will be passed here soon.

[Black_Apalachi]

I expect countries like Italy and France to do things like this yet when it's mentioned in the UK everyone is shocked. The EU should just ban them tbh.

[hah]

yet its against the ban of the crucifix in classrooms :S

[Black_Apalachi]

yet its against the ban of the crucifix in classrooms :S

Yeah... it's a very catholic country.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The difference between this country and the rest of the world is that we do the opposite of what our people want, they do what their people want (largely).

[Technologic]

The difference between this country and the rest of the world is that we do the opposite of what our people want, they do what their people want (largely).

And their PMs a player

[Catzsy]

Lets put this into perspective. France only proposes it for woman state/government buildings.
http://www.france24.com/en/20100126-ban-burqa-gains-momentum-with-publication-parliamentary-report?ns_mchannel=SEM&ns_source=Google&ns_campaign=France%2024%20US_France&ns_linkname=France%20-%20islamic%20veil%20law_France%20burqa&ns_fee=0&gclid=CK_NsqLhzJ8CFYGDzAod-gfwfw
Out of interest what reasons are UKIP putting forward to ban it?

[hah]

Yeah... it's a very catholic country.

never would have guessed that... even though the pope lives there and all

[Smits]

Ban them, they make all the women look the same.

[Black_Apalachi]

never would have guessed that... even though the pope lives there and all

Why did you mention the crucifix thing then? :S ******* troll.

[hah]

Why did you mention the crucifix thing then? :S ******* troll.

oh ye im a troll :S:S:S great one

umm maybe because its not fair that they are all for banning something from one religion and then wanting the ban overturned on the crucifix


shoud rly google troll m8

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[Hecktix]

There are a lot of British people in places like Egypt and Dubai, what would you say if they banned anything but the burga?

[Caution]

There are a lot of British people in places like Egypt and Dubai, what would you say if they banned anything but the burga?
Well British people shouldn't complain when it's not their country that they're in. When Brits are abroad they should follow what that country belives in, the same should apply for foreigners here.

[Hecktix]

People should be allowed to wear what they want, we can't restrict people displaying their religious identity, people should be allowed to wear what they like, Muslims should be able to wear their headwear and Catholics should be able to wear their Crucifix.

Banning displays of Religious identity is like telling a football supporter they can't wear their teams shirt in public.

[Caution]

People should be allowed to wear what they want, we can't restrict people displaying their religious identity, people should be allowed to wear what they like, Muslims should be able to wear their headwear and Catholics should be able to wear their Crucifix.

Banning displays of Religious identity is like telling a football supporter they can't wear their teams shirt in public.In some places you can't wear your teams shirt.. In some parts of Glasgow you wouldn't dare wear a Rangers shirt in a Celtic area or vice versa. I wouldn't want someone wearing a burqa walking towards me, it's creepy. You wouldn't be allowed to wear a balaclava that only shows your eyes in public, so you shouldn't be allowed to wear a burqa.

[Hecktix]

Yes but surely someone wearing a balaclava is suspicious, as one of the main things people associate with balaclavas is someone covering themselves up so they can't be seen when committing a crime.

Whereas if you see a woman in a burqa coming towards you, you should just simply think it's a harmless muslim woman with the utmost respect for her Religion.

I know it can appear intimidating but if you think about it rationally, it's only a strictly religious woman underneath it, think of it as a Muslim version of Dot Cotton or Edna Birch.

We need to be accepting of different cultures.

[Tash.]

I'm really not understanding this. Some people are petrified of women in a bhurka, fair enough if you are you are. But yet these very same people are not at all intimidated by a youth in a hoody.. I know who i'd be more scared of and I can tell you it is not the woman wearing her religious clothing. It's beyond stupidity, it's plain ignorance.

In reply to Caution, perhaps you wouldn't dare wear your Rangers shirt in a Celtic area, well fair enough then, don't. But why should someone have to stop wearing a bhurka in the street just because some people are too narrow minded to understand the reasons behind it? It angers me no end. Leave others alone.

[Wig44.]

You can't wear motorbike helmets in most shops and some buildings, in these areas I think all types of headgear should be removed, but nowhere else.

[Black_Apalachi]

oh ye im a troll :S:S:S great one

umm maybe because its not fair that they are all for banning something from one religion and then wanting the ban overturned on the crucifix


shoud rly google troll m8

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g r u d g e

Because it's their country maybe? :S:S:S And lmao, you're actually suggesting other people learn words? LOLOLOL

[-:Undertaker:-]

Lets put this into perspective. France only proposes it for woman state/government buildings.
http://www.france24.com/en/20100126-ban-burqa-gains-momentum-with-publication-parliamentary-report?ns_mchannel=SEM&ns_source=Google&ns_campaign=France%2024%20US_France&ns_linkname=France%20-%20islamic%20veil%20law_France%20burqa&ns_fee=0&gclid=CK_NsqLhzJ8CFYGDzAod-gfwfw
Out of interest what reasons are UKIP putting forward to ban it?

They propose it because anyone wearing a helmet or any other garment which covers the face such as a burqa does would have to remove their headgear when they enter a bank or an airport, so the same should apply to islamic headgear. Ontop of this, the fact a poll recently showed that 70% of the British people agree with a ban I cant see anything more democratic and fair than to do what the British people ask.


Yes but surely someone wearing a balaclava is suspicious, as one of the main things people associate with balaclavas is someone covering themselves up so they can't be seen when committing a crime.

Whereas if you see a woman in a burqa coming towards you, you should just simply think it's a harmless muslim woman with the utmost respect for her Religion.

I know it can appear intimidating but if you think about it rationally, it's only a strictly religious woman underneath it, think of it as a Muslim version of Dot Cotton or Edna Birch.

We need to be accepting of different cultures.

The burqa is not respectful to islam, the Koran makes no reference to the burqa and it was only ever imposed on women to keep them hidden, a sign of the lower place women had in a country than men. In short, the men owned the women. Therefore as they are not compulsory they are not required for islam.

They need to be accepting of ours.

[Catzsy]

They propose it because anyone wearing a helmet or any other garment which covers the face such as a burqa does would have to remove their headgear when they enter a bank or an airport, so the same should apply to islamic headgear. Ontop of this, the fact a poll recently showed that 70% of the British people agree with a ban I cant see anything more democratic and fair than to do what the British people ask.



The burqa is not respectful to islam, the Koran makes no reference to the burqa and it was only ever imposed on women to keep them hidden, a sign of the lower place women had in a country than men. In short, the men owned the women. Therefore as they are not compulsory they are not required for islam.

They need to be accepting of ours.

Well banning for entering airports, banks etc makes sense. I can see that.

[hah]

Because it's their country maybe? :S:S:S And lmao, you're actually suggesting other people learn words? LOLOLOL

yes i am... and so what if its their country, i dont see why they should discriminate against one religion and not against another

[Black_Apalachi]

It's not random discrimination. It's a government taking a stand against people wearing intimidating garments within its country. The burqa isn't a religious requirement anyway.

[LuketheDuke]

Im in favour of total religious neutrality in the classroom, banning the crucifix and any form of islamic religious dress could be a way in which this goal can be achieved.

I dont know why I have that view, but if opposing religious ideas of morality can be cut out from an early age then maybe we can work towards a multicultural society that actually works in the UK.

[Black_Apalachi]

Im in favour of total religious neutrality in the classroom, banning the crucifix and any form of islamic religious dress could be a way in which this goal can be achieved.

I dont know why I have that view, but if opposing religious ideas of morality can be cut out from an early age then maybe we can work towards a multicultural society that actually works in the UK.

I'm guessing crucifixes are only found in catholic schools and these would be teaching Christian subjects anyway. If you don't want to see religious symbols don't go to religious schools.

[GommeInc]

The main difference between a burkha and crucifix is a crucifix is actually a religious symbol, can be worn around the neck and is gender neutral. A burkha isn't known to be of any religious background, is sexist and belittling towards women and is a bit bigger than a necklace :P A crucifix won't get in the way in any sort of organisation, as it is just a piece of jewelry at the end of the day. The burkha on the other hand is just in the way, and degrading to women. Women have near-equal rights in the western world and should be treated as such, and the burkha is against this. Some may claim it is a relgious garment, but it's origins revolve around women as possessions, to hide their identity from other men.

At the end of the day though, I only agree with banning it in airports and places of high security. My view on banning it entirely would be counter-productive, as it is commonly known that we are meant to be an open society where people can do anything they please within the law and within reason, and as the burkha is doing no harm it's not that desperate to completely abolish it.

It's a tough subject really :/

[Black_Apalachi]

The main difference between a burkha and crucifix is a crucifix is actually a religious symbol, can be worn around the neck and is gender neutral. A burkha isn't known to be of any religious background, is sexist and belittling towards women and is a bit bigger than a necklace :P A crucifix won't get in the way in any sort of organisation, as it is just a piece of jewelry at the end of the day. The burkha on the other hand is just in the way, and degrading to women. Women have near-equal rights in the western world and should be treated as such, and the burkha is against this. Some may claim it is a relgious garment, but it's origins revolve around women as possessions, to hide their identity from other men.

At the end of the day though, I only agree with banning it in airports and places of high security. My view on banning it entirely would be counter-productive, as it is commonly known that we are meant to be an open society where people can do anything they please within the law and within reason, and as the burkha is doing no harm it's not that desperate to completely abolish it.

It's a tough subject really :/

A crucifix also can't be used to conceal a bomb or an AK-47 or something lol

[TickTockTickTock]

Face covering is a no no for me, reduces my **** bank everytime I walk past a mosque because I can't tell if they're **** bank quality or not. :(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

[Jordy]

Face covering is a no no for me, reduces my **** bank everytime I walk past a mosque because I can't tell if they're **** bank quality or not. :(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(Is the four lettered word what I think is? The W word?

Dude that's wrong at any rate.