Filtering on the forum

[Richie]

Hey,
I think there should be a feature on the forum were users can choose to have swear words filtered or unfiltered (like habbo), yes fair enough if people swear at each other that's bad, but they get warned anyway. If I said to some "**** off you stupid ****" I'd get warned wouldn't I?

Have the filter pre-set on accounts, we are not all 10 years old. Yes there's going to be arguments "why do we need this?", personally I think we need it because when silly words like (in spoiler below) are filtered it makes you feel like a child. Users should be treated like they have some maturity, but your not giving them the opportunity to be mature if your treating them like children.

Contains a swear word
B!tch

Try turn this thread into a heap of rubbish if you like, its just my opinion and feedback.


Hope it helps!
Richard.

[iAdam]

I hate to sound like a broken record, but why do you need to swear on a forum?

We're not treating you like children, quite the contrary, we expect you to be mature enough to have a decent conversation not to swear all the time and not need to swear. That's partly why the rule is in place.

And to repeat a famous Jin quote; Don't fix what's not broken.

[Richie]

I hate to sound like a broken record, but why do you need to swear on a forum?

I don't mean intentionally. Some phrases need to have swearing to show your anger towards something. Mature rap artist don't swear for fun, they swear to show how angry they are and to emphasise something. Also thats like saying, why do we need to swear on habbo?

[Invent]

It's not a hard thing to implement I'm sure and swearing does help get a point across sometimes.

[Catzsy]

Habbo is much different to a forum. It is transient on there but on a forum
it is a permanent record and it is not appropriate in my opinion to have any hardcore swearing. It could be lightened up a bit as some words are pretty harmless but most of the words can be viewed as offensive to a lot of members notwithstanding their parents who could be looking over their shoulder. Just a personal view.

[Richie]

Habbo is much different to a forum. It is transient on there but on a forum
it is a permanent record and it is not appropriate in my opinion to have any hardcore swearing. It could be lightened up a bit as some words are pretty harmless but most of the words can be viewed as offensive to a lot of members notwithstanding their parents who could be looking over their shoulder. Just a personal view.


Yes, but the opinion would be there to have it filtered or not. I don't understand how habbo is different to a forum. We are a fansite we should take some of habbo's rules / features and maintain a professional atmosphere for those who would like to view swearing and those who don't. Although I understand what you mean.

[Invent]

Habbo is much different to a forum. It is transient on there but on a forum
it is a permanent record and it is not appropriate in my opinion to have any hardcore swearing. It could be lightened up a bit as some words are pretty harmless but most of the words can be viewed as offensive to a lot of members notwithstanding their parents who could be looking over their shoulder. Just a personal view.

If the way the swear words are used is offending then the user should get warned/infracted - simple as (such as if it's towards a user).

Also, the main point is that disabling the filter would be an action the end-user would have to make themselves. It wouldn't be the default option. Surely this makes any issue with parents a sort of moot point?

[iAdam]

Added more above OP ^

And Catzsy I agree, when I was younger I used to hate having to switch windows quick because someone had swore somewhere and my parents were around me.

Oh, and phrases don't need swearing at all, just as rappers don't have to.

[Invent]

Added more above OP ^

And Catzsy I agree, when I was younger I used to hate having to switch windows quick because someone had swore somewhere and my parents were around me.

Again, this suggestion means that you'd have to enable swearing by choice.

[iAdam]

Which brings me to my original point, why do you need to swear on a forum, or on habbo for that matter?

[Invent]

Which brings me to my original point, why do you need to swear on a forum, or on habbo for that matter?

The same reason anyone feels the need to swear in real life, books, media, etc. To convey a certain emotion.

Also, people already feel the need to swear on this forum - it's just filtered..

[iAdam]

So you're saying it's not possibly to convey emotions in other ways?

If I'm honest, I don't take notice of swearing because I see it as pointless but it makes me obtain a bad impression of the person.

[Richie]

And to repeat a famous Jin quote; Don't fix what's not broken.


I am not trying to get something fixed. I am simply trying to ask if habbox could cater for the older and younger generation. If the older generation wish not to see swear words they can turn the filter on. Yes I agree we should maintain a mature conversation were we don't have to swear, however some of the swear words can be used in different context. Also going back to point one, why do sulake let habbo's have the option?

[Invent]

So you're saying it's not possibly to convey emotions in other ways?

In certain circumstances that's exactly what I'm saying. I like many other people use swearing in extreme/certain situations when it emphasizes a point I'm making.

[iAdam]

But while that context where they can be used offensively is still there, the filter will stick.

Invent; As you said, extreme situations, you shouldn't need to on a forum.

@DarkEnemy

I have no idea why Sulake implemented that, nor do I see the point in it.

[Invent]

But while that context where they can be used offensively is still there, the filter will stick.

Why?..when you can just warn/infract the user for acting immaturely...also who's saying that the person who the user is offending also has the filter disabled?...


Invent; As you said, extreme situations, you shouldn't need to on a forum.


I also said "certain" circumstances. If I'm using the forum to vent my anger or something in my day or want to emphasize how funny something is then I may feel the need to swear :).

[Richie]

But while that context where they can be used offensively is still there, the filter will stick.

Invent; As you said, extreme situations, you shouldn't need to on a forum.


Yes, but if someone avoids the filter now, a moderator simply edits there post. Why wouldn't this be able to be done?

[Immenseman]

defo not, it'd make it look so ugly. on habbo it is there for 30 seconds, it'd be here for years on hxf. on habbo forums they still have a filter, so comparing it to a client based thingy isn't really significant.

[iAdam]

Why?..when you can just warn/infract the user for acting immaturely...also who's saying that the person who the user is offending also has the filter disabled?...



I also said "certain" circumstances. If I'm using the forum to vent my anger or something in my day or want to emphasize how funny something is then I may feel the need to swear :).

As you have highlighted, creates problems as to who has the filter on and who doesn't which would result in unfair moderation, which would result in more complaints. People successfully vent their anger or display humour in their posts now without swearing, why fix something that's not broken?



Yes, but if someone avoids the filter now, a moderator simply edits there post. Why wouldn't this be able to be done?

My point exactly? Why change anything if the same thing is just going to be done after the change?

[Catzsy]

Do you mean in VB you can have a filter switch? I did not think that was possible but then I haven't been involved much in acp for a while.

[Invent]

As you have highlighted, creates problems as to who has the filter on and who doesn't which would result in unfair moderation, which would result in more complaints. People successfully vent their anger or display humour in their posts now without swearing, why fix something that's not broken?
But they do swear - it's just filtered.

I don't really care in the end if it remains filtered or not. I just think that it's such a simple change that it could be worth doing.


Do you mean in VB you can have a filter switch? I did not think that was possible but then I haven't been involved much in acp for a while.

No, it would be added manually but it's a simple code change.

[Richie]

My point exactly? Why change anything if the same thing is just going to be done after the change?

Yeah, but it only needs to be edited if its directed at another user.

[iAdam]

So why can't it stay filtered?

It wouldn't be worth doing at all, as Jake has said, it would make the forum look ugly, give a bad impression, create moderating issues and just generally be a nuisance.

@DarkEnemy

Exactly, It's going to be abused if it's implemented so there is little point in doing it so people can 'vent anger'.

[Richie]

Do you mean in VB you can have a filter switch? I did not think that was possible but then I haven't been involved much in acp for a while.


I'm sure someone can whisk a nice script up.

[xxMATTGxx]

I don't see a reason why people need to swear on the forums, I can see it for words such as "FML" but general swearing isn't really what we want on the forum. Yes people may swear in real life but I know for one thing my parent's don't like me using certain words, they are fine with the odd word or so now due to my age. There is no actual need.

[iAdam]

I'm sure someone can whisk a nice script up.

More work for our already busy scripting team for a feature that would create more problems than it would solve, if it would actually solve any.


I don't see a reason why people need to swear on the forums, I can see it for words such as "FML" but general swearing isn't really what we want on the forum. Yes people may swear in real life but I know for one thing my parent's don't like me using certain words, they are fine with the odd word or so now due to my age. There is no actual need.

Gospel.

[Catzsy]

I'm sure someone can whisk a nice script up.

Hacks are pretty much frowned upon because of the security issues and in any event Matt has spoken. :D

[Richie]

I don't see a reason why people need to swear on the forums, I can see it for words such as "FML" but general swearing isn't really what we want on the forum. Yes people may swear in real life but I know for one thing my parent's don't like me using certain words, they are fine with the odd word or so now due to my age. There is no actual need.


So why not make the filter more lenient?


Short terms such as:
Contains swearing
F S
F F S
B!tch

and a few others, I still think the filter option should be installed but if not I think some of the filter words need to be relaxed a little.

[Invent]

Hacks are pretty much frowned upon because of the security issues and in any event Matt has spoken. :D

It's a silly reason though as a mod like this would cause 0 security issues unless you suck at PHP.

[iAdam]

Been suggested, Been done.

What Matt has said is basically what goes with regards to this.

[Catzsy]

It's a silly reason though as a mod like this would cause 0 security issues unless you suck at PHP.

Well I am not expert so will leave it to you who are! :D

[Blob]

More work for our already busy scripting team for a feature that would create more problems than it would solve, if it would actually solve any

Scripting team!?! If you are talking about me and robbie, we are both free ;)

[Hecktix]

Habbox Forum is in it's 6th year of service and we've had a filter since the beginning.

It's never been a problem, there is no need for swearing at all, it is dirty and gives off very bad impressions.

I just don't see why people want to swear when a post can be displayed in a more attractive, intelligent manner when written properly without profanity?

[Sammeth.]

Habbox Forum is in it's 6th year of service and we've had a filter since the beginning.

It's never been a problem, there is no need for swearing at all, it is dirty and gives off very bad impressions.

I just don't see why people want to swear when a post can be displayed in a more attractive, intelligent manner when written properly without profanity?

Everything here in bold I agree with. Its been fine for 6 years, and hopefully, it will be fine for 6 more years to come. Sure there are some things in the filter that could do with tweaking, me matt and garion had a go at trying to remove some things recently.

I don't agree with the rest (if anyone cares), but thats all subject to opinion anyway so not everyone will agree.

[Black_Apalachi]

I don't know if this is still the case, but in the past I have seen mods advising people to preview posts when they've been unsure whether certain words were allowed, to check if they had been filtered before publishing. But this idea would mean that someone could easily post a rude or offensive word which hasn't been filtered but is still against the rules without even realising it.

[xxMATTGxx]

I don't know if this is still the case, but in the past I have seen mods advising people to preview posts when they've been unsure whether certain words were allowed, to check if they had been filtered before publishing. But this idea would mean that someone could easily post a rude or offensive word which hasn't been filtered but is still against the rules without even realising it.

Then one of the Moderators would deal with that and tell the user that the word isn't allowed.

[Jamesy]

Hey,
I think there should be a feature on the forum were users can choose to have swear words filtered or unfiltered (like habbo), yes fair enough if people swear at each other that's bad, but they get warned anyway. If I said to some "**** off you stupid ****" I'd get warned wouldn't I?

Have the filter pre-set on accounts, we are not all 10 years old. Yes there's going to be arguments "why do we need this?", personally I think we need it because when silly words like (in spoiler below) are filtered it makes you feel like a child. Users should be treated like they have some maturity, but your not giving them the opportunity to be mature if your treating them like children.

Contains a swear word
B!tch

Try turn this thread into a heap of rubbish if you like, its just my opinion and feedback.


Hope it helps!
Richard.

You've suggested this before, a few months ago and nvr said it couldn't be done. Mentor's post here explains why:

http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=5985839&postcount=41.

Also my view is that mature users need not swear, it is only tantrum throwing children that need to curse at someone with all names under the sun.

[Hecktix]

I don't know if this is still the case, but in the past I have seen mods advising people to preview posts when they've been unsure whether certain words were allowed, to check if they had been filtered before publishing. But this idea would mean that someone could easily post a rude or offensive word which hasn't been filtered but is still against the rules without even realising it.

If it's a rude or offensive word then it will have been used for a rude/offensive purpose, thus will be against more than one rule :P

[Invent]

You've suggested this before, a few months ago and nvr said it couldn't be done. Mentor's post here explains why:

http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=5985839&postcount=41.

Also my view is that mature users need not swear, it is only tantrum throwing children that need to curse at someone with all names under the sun.

If Mentor is correct that the filter is added at the time of posting then that doesn't make it an impossible coding job. There are ways to add the functionality without adding a huge overhead when loading posts.

[Black_Apalachi]

Then one of the Moderators would deal with that and tell the user that the word isn't allowed.

I thought you were against the idea! :P


If it's a rude or offensive word then it will have been used for a rude/offensive purpose, thus will be against more than one rule :P

What I meant was; say for example, the 'F' word had been forgotten when they were filtering words and someone with the filter turned off typed it in a post, for example; 'I'm ******* bored', they would never realise the word hadn't actually been filtered to everyone else.

[FlyingJesus]

Aside from the obvious "this isn't needed" reply, it should be noted that the only actual reason given for implementing this is so that people can vent their anger. Well hey I'm sold, if there's one thing I don't see enough on the internet it's angry children swearing about how terrible their lives are.

[bo$$]

Aside from the obvious "this isn't needed" reply, it should be noted that the only actual reason given for implementing this is so that people can vent their anger. Well hey I'm sold, if there's one thing I don't see enough on the internet it's angry children swearing about how terrible their lives are.

this man speaks the truth.
you don't see that too often.