If you were GM and could make one change

[Immenseman]

This forum is far too serious and this could attract other people to post in here and might give management some ideas. Please try and give new original ones, rather than giving the same idea somebody has previously posted. Also, only post one, it makes you prioritise and shows us your best idea.

Remember, even if an idea appear popular that you're not really GM and it's not up to you (H)

[GoldenMerc]

to unban that nice boy goldenmerc.

[Robbie]

Make me super mod again.

But seriously, I'd probably make the staffing system easier like other fansites rather than this Assistant Mega Super Second In Command Manager Of Deputy Commanding

[Nixt]

Make me super mod again.

But seriously, I'd probably make the staffing system easier like other fansites rather than this Assistant Mega Super Second In Command Manager Of Deputy Commanding

How do you mean? It's relatively basic at the moment. Manager, Assistant Manager and then staff. Sometimes with senior members of staff in certain departments i.e. HabboxLive. Everywhere else is relatively basic :p.

[Blob]

To make me and robbie Site Tech's (well Forum as well). But yeah, do we really need about 4 (assistant) general mangers?

[Robbie]

How do you mean? It's relatively basic at the moment. Manager, Assistant Manager and then staff. Sometimes with senior members of staff in certain departments i.e. HabboxLive. Everywhere else is relatively basic :p.

Meh, maybe you're right. Just seems a little more complex than other sites. Maybe it's just me :P

AND WOO GO RYAN!

[Richie]

I wouldn't be as strict about signature sizes

[kk.]

I think he means like, we hve manager, assistant, acting assistant, super mod etc etc etc. Never sure who to contact :s

[Gibs960]

Rare values being simpler and better, like instead of RD have creds, :P it makes it easier and
have more values.

[HotelUser]

Ban sexist jokes.

Well since that's a red light, how about since the CA US hotels are merging put the emphasis on getting some North American Habbo recognition. You could attract a heck of a lot of users from that massive hotel after the merge.

[Seatherny]

A brand new skin.

[Blob]

Rare values being simpler and better, like instead of RD have creds, :P it makes it easier and
have more values.

That has already happened, you just can't see it yet ;)

[myke]

get rid of you all. :)

na i jke.

probably try and understand the users more :)

[hah]

get rid of all assisant managers and staff like senior hxhd, comps w/e make everyone the same tbh... just manager > staff

and ermm bigger rep prizes for comps

fgs 20 LOL

[Inseriousity.]

get rid of all assisant managers and staff like senior hxhd, comps w/e make everyone the same tbh... just manager > staff

and ermm bigger rep prizes for comps

fgs 20 LOL

hehe, well, we were told small amounts would be fine (in that feedback thread). Although I suppose that is a bit low considering the comp is slightly difficult. I also think you need to stop comparing rep prizes to different fansites when the rep systems are completely different. Also, people have seniors for various reasons. I have a senior comp staff because I can't handle the constant moderation on my own (it's not as easy as it sounds and is very time-consuming).

Hmm what would I change? I'm not too sure, I'd ask the users because they probably know better :) (yes that is me avoiding the question)

[hah]

i see what you mean when you said people would take this thread serious

[Orangeesh]

umm bring back the ability to buy VIP

[Titch]

ban immenseman

Edited by iAdam (Forum Super Moderator); Please do not post pointlessly.

[adaym]

*REMOVED*

Edited by iAdam (Forum Super Moderator); Please do not be rude to other forum members.

[GommeInc]

Fix the lecture known as Forum Rules, they're terribly written, most make little sense and if they aren't scaring potential members off, then it's the red writing and miserable PMs they're given when they do wrong.

[Sammeth.]

@Blob, under normal circumstances its three AGMs, which is enough and they all have their part to play.

[Richie]

get rid of all assisant managers and staff like senior hxhd, comps w/e make everyone the same tbh... just manager > staff

and ermm bigger rep prizes for comps

fgs 20 LOL


I love it that way no1 would be full of themself well apart from the managers :P

[The Professor]

umm bring back the ability to buy VIP

This ^ Tell habbo to stick it and be able to fund ourselves again rather than pulling the money from thin air like we're having to do now.

[Catzsy]

This ^ Tell habbo to stick it and be able to fund ourselves again rather than pulling the money from thin air like we're having to do now.

Hurray to that..... just a personal view of course :P

[xxMATTGxx]

This ^ Tell habbo to stick it and be able to fund ourselves again rather than pulling the money from thin air like we're having to do now.

We would love to but they would come back and own our asses because we are using "Habbo" images. :P

[Immenseman]

then the users would continue to fall as there would be no people from habbox. habbo would ban anyone who mentions habbox and consider it against the habbo way because they'd call it an illegal site, as well as having to close habbox.com entirely and removing anything about habbo from the forum which again would lose a lot of members.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Relax the rules, very simple. A lot of people on here love making a drama out of nothing.

[scottish]

I wouldn't be as strict about signature sizes

Then people would abuse it having sigs like 10000x10000, large sigs are just a pain as they call pointless scrolling


Ban sexist jokes.

Well since that's a red light, how about since the CA US hotels are merging put the emphasis on getting some North American Habbo recognition. You could attract a heck of a lot of users from that massive hotel after the merge.

I agree with that, every international thing has failed because not enough effort went into it or to advertise it on us site, like i don't see why habbox doesn't have dj's who go on us instead of UK or hxhd having room in there or habbox events taking part on there, doing events on USA is going to gain attention, and it can't get any worse so :S


umm bring back the ability to buy VIP

Can't cause habbo init


*REMOVED*.

lol



anyways yeh since only allowed one and can't repeat - new non-habbo skins :P

[Calvin]

Probably been said but brand new non-habbo skins and modernized habbo skins. :P

[The Professor]

Relax the rules, very simple. A lot of people on here love making a drama out of nothing.

You'll be the first one complaining about anarchy and how people are allowed to get away with murder. Imo the rules are fine as they are, they might need rewording as Gomme said but I think the principles are pretty spot on.


then the users would continue to fall as there would be no people from habbox. habbo would ban anyone who mentions habbox and consider it against the habbo way because they'd call it an illegal site, as well as having to close habbox.com entirely and removing anything about habbo from the forum which again would lose a lot of members.

Stop being sensible. I mean it.

[-:Undertaker:-]

You'll be the first one complaining about anarchy and how people are allowed to get away with murder. Imo the rules are fine as they are, they might need rewording as Gomme said but I think the principles are pretty spot on.

Stop being sensible. I mean it.

What can people get away with on a Habbo Hotel forum thats really serious? - I for the life of me can't think of a lot of things that I think warrant moderation on a Habbo forum. I always wanted less rules, under ---MAD--- when it was a new rule everyday and under 8Freak8 when at one point they attempted to tell staff what site they were/were not allowed to visit or face being sacked.

[The Professor]

What can people get away with on a Habbo Hotel forum thats really serious? - I for the life of me can't think of a lot of things that I think warrant moderation on a Habbo forum. I always wanted less rules, under ---MAD--- when it was a new rule everyday and under 8Freak8 when at one point they attempted to tell staff what site they were/were not allowed to visit or face being sacked.

Look at the rules you'll find a list of them :)

[-:Undertaker:-]

Look at the rules you'll find a list of them :)
The problem is that the 'rules' say a lot of stuff like 'ban for offensive language/bullying' which I agree with, but its the extent of how far that rule is taken which I do not agree with. There is some stuff that people (including myself) get done for which is just not offensive in the slightest.

[Nixt]

I'm looking at revamping the rules as we speak. Keeping the basic principles but improving their structure and attempting to stop them looking too intimidating. GommeInc has been kind enough to make suggestions. You can complain about the rules, but you will have to be more specific if you would like us to change any.

[hah]

this thread isnt really ment for a debate i think lol

[GommeInc]

I'm looking at revamping the rules as we speak. Keeping the basic principles but improving their structure and attempting to stop them looking too intimidating. GommeInc has been kind enough to make suggestions. You can complain about the rules, but you will have to be more specific if you would like us to change any.
Oh yeah, got a mention (Y)

Amazing how you can cut 18 rules to what can arguably be seen as 3 :P

[-:Undertaker:-]

I'm looking at revamping the rules as we speak. Keeping the basic principles but improving their structure and attempting to stop them looking too intimidating. GommeInc has been kind enough to make suggestions. You can complain about the rules, but you will have to be more specific if you would like us to change any.

For example I was done for saying a member had no common sense in his argument in the world news/debates forum. Common sense is a figure of speech and isn't offensive in the slightest to the majority of people. I think whats needed is just a bit of common sense from the people who implement the rules, so they allow human judgement over an issue and not the way its done now where it seems to be 'must-follow-rules-to-the-letter' aka robotic moderation.

Glad to see somebody is looking at them anyway and goodluck. :)

[Hecktix]

The problem with looking at condensing the rules is you get the pedantic members who are like well it doesnt say "XYZ" precisely in the rules therefore "XYZ" is not against the rules.

If the rules were changed the concept of a moderators discretion would have to be enforced more so.

Anyway, as Garion said we are currently looking at this and GommeInc has provided us with a very interesting base to work from :)

[Seatherny]

umm bring back the ability to buy VIP

Cant unless the site removes every Habbo image.

[Immenseman]

**** off making my thread a debate!!

anyway, i'd make a PR department and merge events and comps. PR would have few senior members in which organises everything then PR staff who host comps and events. giving good prizes on the forum and on the client. the senior staff would hire/fire PR staff and organise the bigger things which are always rushed i.e hxss etc

[Blinger1]

ban immenseman

Edited by iAdam (Forum Super Moderator); Please do not post pointlessly.

They isn't pointless (i have nothing against immenseman, i'm just saying it isn't pointless since he was asked what he would do if he were a GM)

I'd relax the rules a lot, and fire some members of staff?

[FlyingJesus]

merge events and comps.

This was my first thought when I saw the thread title. I know comps keep talking about big changes ("next month") but regardless they do not need to be a separate team and could probably achieve more merged. Competitions really can't be that difficult to come up with - rehashed old ones are fine to use if they've proven popular - and the fact that there are currently just two competitions going on at the moment is dire, especially considering the fact that if the Habbox staff page is up to date there are 7 comps staff members.

[GommeInc]

The problem with looking at condensing the rules is you get the pedantic members who are like well it doesnt say "XYZ" precisely in the rules therefore "XYZ" is not against the rules.

If the rules were changed the concept of a moderators discretion would have to be enforced more so.

Anyway, as Garion said we are currently looking at this and GommeInc has provided us with a very interesting base to work from :)
The rules as they are tend to be too specific, which is more reason pedantic members can effectively do as they please :P If you generalise them without describing each rule in great detail, it gives a good base in which members and moderators can follow the rules. Besides, since I've been a member there's been no rule against having pornography in avatars or signatures :P Though the suggestion I PM'd Garion with eliminates this :P

[scottish]

The rules as they are tend to be too specific, which is more reason pedantic members can effectively do as they please :P If you generalise them without describing each rule in great detail, it gives a good base in which members and moderators can follow the rules. Besides, since I've been a member there's been no rule against having pornography in avatars or signatures :P Though the suggestion I PM'd Garion with eliminates this :P

A7. Do not post inappropriate content, links, or images – Images or links with inappropriate content or pictures, gore, nudity, obscenity or annoyance such as never ending pop-ups are not allowed. (Including Signature images linked to the websites). The only exception to this is when posting an outside link such as a video or image where content is mildly sexual/offensive but suitable for 14 -16 years old. This is allowed but it must be a link or in a spoiler with a suitable warning in bold . IT MUST NOT BE POSTED DIRECTLY ONTO THE FORUM and must have a warning in bold above it e.g Warning - this link/spoiler contains content which may not be suitable for younger members.

[GommeInc]

That's linking to, and avatars do not link to anything as they are hosted on Habbox :P So you can effectively upload an avatar and a signature, if you can upload signatures as well :P

[scottish]

A7. Do not post inappropriate content, links, or images

Images or links with inappropriate content or pictures, gore, nudity, obscenity or annoyance such as never ending pop-ups are not allowed.


they 2 points cover no porno.

[Black_Apalachi]

I'd ban Garion for stealing Oli's sig by the looks of it? :L


What I have in mind relates to the rules in general but is kind of hard to explain. Instead of a whole list of specific and technical laws, I would just use basic principles. Members would have to use their common sense when posting in terms of how to approach a discussion. I would tell moderators to allow things to flow as much as possible but as soon as they spot someone who is trying to cause trouble, get rid of them.

I would scrap the whole system of 50 user notes, followed by 30 warnings, 5 cautions, 3 bans, 2 temp bans and an auto ban. To me that system is a joke because as far as I'm concerned, it's only people who are intent on being a nuisance that fall down that path so I don't see the point in giving them a million chances. People also wouldn't be punished for being rude to others who have brought it upon themselves, or at least they wouldn't have every rude post edited with red text unless what they have said is completely uncalled for because it just gives trouble makers too much protection and allows them to squirm out of situations due to technicalities in the rules.

Of course, this could probably never really happen on Habbox because many of its members are very young so chances are it may not work. It's also something that would work better had it been like that from the beginning, rather than something everyone has to adjust to. Still, I look forward to seeing the modifications which are lined up.

[GommeInc]

A7. Do not post inappropriate content, links, or images

Images or links with inappropriate content or pictures, gore, nudity, obscenity or annoyance such as never ending pop-ups are not allowed.


they 2 points cover no porno.
Posts. Avatars aren't posts :P

Also, another problem are the A rules tend to revolve around forum activity, while the B rules focus on user accounts, so any mention of signatures should be mentioned in the B rules, not the A rules. You can kinda tell that rule was chucked in to cover something :P

[scottish]

Posts. Avatars aren't posts :P

Also, another problem are the A rules tend to revolve around forum activity, while the B rules focus on user accounts, so any mention of signatures should be mentioned in the B rules, not the A rules. You can kinda tell that rule was chucked in to cover something :P

doesn't say POSTS, says post!! :P anything you do on this forum your posting it so if your putting it into your sig your posting it everytime you reply to a thread.

and 2nd part of rule says nothing about post :p Images or links with inappropriate content or pictures, gore, nudity, obscenity or annoyance such as never ending pop-ups are not allowed.

A is general rules so for all around, if your trying to make the rules clearer then wouldn't it be worse adding an extra rule to section B when section A covers the forum in general, section B is just more realted to it so users should still be aware of rules in section A so :P

[Titch]

ban immenseman

Edited by iAdam (Forum Super Moderator); Please do not post pointlessly.

That wasnt pointless?

You asked me what i would do, and what i would do is man jake, cus all he does is spam with stupid threads and go on about how hes e-dating diffrent people and it really annoys me.

-soz for dig just it does annoy me-

[Black_Apalachi]

Not quite sure what that argument is about but if a rule says not to post inappropriate content, it's kind of self-evident that it also applies to sigs and avatars. This is the kind of thing that makes it harder for the rules to be relaxed.


That wasnt pointless?

You asked me what i would do, and what i would do is man jake, cus all he does is spam with stupid threads and go on about how hes e-dating diffrent people and it really annoys me.

-soz for dig just it does annoy me-

I think he's already a man :L

[Black_Apalachi]

I know you said to only post one idea, but I have another one that I always think of; either incorporate the Help Tool into the forum or get rid of it completely and just have a thread for it similar to the complaints thread. It's just because I always forget about it, I can never find it, and it just seems like it could easily be done within the forum.

Edit: Just realised it's required for account retrievals init :eusa_doh:

[Ajthedragon]

I'd hire new RV management or ease forum rules.

[Favourtism]

Scrap the entire management/staff structure, Habbox is too much as a business as it is. Sites such as CH manage with just one owner, one site manager, one forum manager and then a techy and two/three department managers. The fact that habbox has 25+ managers/agm's is shocking and it strikes me that they're just lazy.


Fix the lecture known as Forum Rules, they're terribly written, most make little sense and if they aren't scaring potential members off, then it's the red writing and miserable PMs they're given when they do wrong.
This is win.
If members actually register after a probably 80% drop rate from visits because of skins, they are met with very strict rules (habbo's for teens 11-17 ***), a group of flaming ocd's called the community, confusion and a sudden realization that the actual habbo community here is near non existent. So they move to CH.

[Inseriousity.]

This was my first thought when I saw the thread title. I know comps keep talking about big changes ("next month") but regardless they do not need to be a separate team and could probably achieve more merged. Competitions really can't be that difficult to come up with - rehashed old ones are fine to use if they've proven popular - and the fact that there are currently just two competitions going on at the moment is dire, especially considering the fact that if the Habbox staff page is up to date there are 7 comps staff members.

I said "next month" in December, January's already seen us change almost everything about the department. As for there being 2 competitions atm, that's because it is only the 2nd February. We're not going to post every competition at the beginning of the month, that'd be stupid. 2 comps a day for the rest of the month, that's how it's going.

As for merging comps and events, I'd say the job roles are so completely different that it allows for two seperate departments. Events require a lot more work (there, I've admitted it Roxy :p) and as it's just a voluntary job, I doubt it'd be very fair to expect people to do both competitions and events.

[FlyingJesus]

Yeah it would definitely not be fair to expect people to do an event AND post a thread.

[Inseriousity.]

Yeah it would definitely not be fair to expect people to do an event AND post a thread.

3 events a month, 4 competitions a month. I was refering to competitions staff doing events, it's completely impractical! I've been doing it for a couple of months now, it's bloody hard work and should not be compulsory.

edit: If I thought it was a good idea, I'd have fired myself straight away and told them to just have roxy manage both but I see no good reason for merging the two.

[GommeInc]

doesn't say POSTS, says post!! :P
Same thing. "To post" is the same as "to make posts", ones is singular and one is plural but both relate to adding content manually on a forum as to contribute to a discussion.


anything you do on this forum your posting it so if your putting it into your sig your posting it everytime you reply to a thread.
The whole rule revolves around posting on the forums, not adding signature images and avatars to your forum account. If it did, it wouldn't revolve around adding links instead to other websites (though it says nothing about uploading them to Habbox, which is uploading and NOT posting ;) )


and 2nd part of rule says nothing about post :p Images or links with inappropriate content or pictures, gore, nudity, obscenity or annoyance such as never ending pop-ups are not allowed.
Read the next sentence ;) The sentence that follows after the rule header describes what is meant by inappropriate content (the sentence you posted), the sentence after that describes a situation (pointlessly) in what way the rule works:


The only exception to this is when posting an outside link such as a video or image where content is mildly sexual/offensive but suitable for 14 -16 years old.


A is general rules so for all around, if your trying to make the rules clearer then wouldn't it be worse adding an extra rule to section B when section A covers the forum in general, section B is just more realted to it so users should still be aware of rules in section A so :P
So you agree that splitting up the rule (pointlessly) is a bad idea? A rules are General Forum rules which revolve around behaviour and posting, though the way the rules specifically describe each situation make them easy to abuse and pointless to read (as it is like reading a boring ToS you get with a new computer). B reflects on what is and isn't allowed in forum accounts - signatures and avatars (as mentioned in the current rules B2. revolves around signatures and avatars). Also, section A mentions nothing about uploading to Habbox, the rule specifically says linking to other websites so posting images and media from another website is not allowed. HOWEVER, posting media of an inappropriate nature from Habbox (e.g. uploading an avatar/signature image) is technically acceptable as there is no rule for it, but naturally it would be tackled whether the member likes it or not :P

Anyway, I agree with FlyingJesus about competitions and events should be merged together into one team. There's no reason to seperate them, as far as I can tell at least. If people prefer to do competitions, then let them. It's a department after all, it doesn't explicitly mean you HAVE to do both, people can do what they prefer and it's cleaner and easier to deal with. Heck, competitions come as part of an event usually :/

[scottish]

The only exception to this is when posting an outside link such as a video or image where content is mildly sexual/offensive but suitable for 14 -16 years old. This is allowed but it must be a link or in a spoiler with a suitable warning in bold . IT MUST NOT BE POSTED DIRECTLY ONTO THE FORUM

So why does the rule state links and not posted directly onto the forum, as by your standard theres no rules about not posting directly (attachment/img tags, etc) onto the forum so if they didn't take take for granted everything would be an outside link just because it doesn't say attachment etc doesn't mean it isn't included :P and anyone using the forum can take for granted no porn :S


(Including Signature images linked to the websites).

Seems it does refer to sigs in A :)

[Jamiie]

Make it Able to Buy VIP.
And More Colours on Donator , What Happened to Green on it O.o :(
Also another thing, instead of having to Upload to Imageshack or something, when you want to add a Picture
Be able just to click Add Attachment, and Then you browse your computer. Instead of having to go through websites
Then Copying Links. especially when u have alot of pics to put on :)

[scottish]

Make it Able to Buy VIP.
And More Colours on Donator , What Happened to Green on it O.o :(
Also another thing, instead of having to Upload to Imageshack or something, when you want to add a Picture
Be able just to click Add Attachment, and Then you browse your computer. Instead of having to go through websites
Then Copying Links. especially when u have alot of pics to put on :)

It's not habbox's option to stop VIP

Green is now used as staff colour, you can upload attachments. Under a post it has



Attach Files
Valid file extensions: gif jpe jpeg jpg png psd

[GommeInc]

The only exception to this is when posting an outside link such as a video or image where content is mildly sexual/offensive but suitable for 14 -16 years old. This is allowed but it must be a link or in a spoiler with a suitable warning in bold . IT MUST NOT BE POSTED DIRECTLY ONTO THE FORUM

So why does the rule state links and not posted directly onto the forum, as by your standard theres no rules about not posting directly (attachment/img tags, etc) onto the forum so if they didn't take take for granted everything would be an outside link just because it doesn't say attachment etc doesn't mean it isn't included :P and anyone using the forum can take for granted no porn :S


(Including Signature images linked to the websites).

Seems it does refer to sigs in A :)
Note the bit in bold. Figure out what linked means and you've got your answer ;) Also, the "must be in a link or spoiler" begs the "what if" question. What if signatures and avatars can't go in spoilers or links? As it says nothing against uploading directly to the forum (which isn't linking, durh) you assume it's perfectly acceptable. Of course, moderators can use their own common sense and remove it, but they can not tell you it's against the rules - it's like when Mentor had a larger signature or avatar, and a moderator told him it was against the rules, yet no rule existed as it is purely down to the forum system, which automatically restrict avatar sizes depending on user permissions.

Besides, the suggestions I gave takes into consideration this with little text. You're forgetting the current rules just blert out drivvel assuming the person reading the rules are either stupid, or have alot of time on their hands to bother reading them :P

In theory, the rules can be condensed into 3 rules, with sub-rules as points in each rule to take into consideration each outcome. It looks neater and "cuts out the crap", as well as the threatening red writing which someone thought was clever - probably an angry admin or GM at the time.

[Catzsy]

Note the bit in bold. Figure out what linked means and you've got your answer ;) Also, the "must be in a link or spoiler" begs the "what if" question. What if signatures and avatars can't go in spoilers or links? As it says nothing about uploading (which isn't linking, durh) you assume it's perfectly acceptable.

Besides, the suggestions I gave takes into consideration this with little text. You're forgetting the current rules just blert out drivvel assuming the person reading the rules are either stupid, or have alot of time on their hands to bother reading them :P

In theory, the rules can be condensed into 3 rules, with sub-rules as points in each rule to take into consideration each outcome. It looks neater and "cuts out the crap", as well as the threatening red writing which someone thought was clever - probably an angry admin or GM at the time.



This sounds exciting! Can't wait for the Gomme treatment!
xx

[scottish]

Note the bit in bold. Figure out what linked means and you've got your answer ;) Also, the "must be in a link or spoiler" begs the "what if" question. What if signatures and avatars can't go in spoilers or links? As it says nothing against uploading directly to the forum (which isn't linking, durh) you assume it's perfectly acceptable. Of course, moderators can use their own common sense and remove it, but they can not tell you it's against the rules - it's like when Mentor had a larger signature or avatar, and a moderator told him it was against the rules, yet no rule existed as it is purely down to the forum system, which automatically restrict avatar sizes depending on user permissions.

Besides, the suggestions I gave takes into consideration this with little text. You're forgetting the current rules just blert out drivvel assuming the person reading the rules are either stupid, or have alot of time on their hands to bother reading them :P

In theory, the rules can be condensed into 3 rules, with sub-rules as points in each rule to take into consideration each outcome. It looks neater and "cuts out the crap", as well as the threatening red writing which someone thought was clever - probably an angry admin or GM at the time.

unless you're sad enough to read every single aspect of every rule (which no-one reads the rules anyways in this day and age) then you'd take for granted that on a teenager forum based on habbo hotel you wouldn't be able to upload any form or pornographic images unless you're an idiot then you may assume its perfectly acceptable.

The only time rules on any forum are read is when someone breaks them, then they read them to try and argue their point or don't read them and accept it. and i'm pretty sure under faq's it tells you each usergroups allowed sig/avatar size, obviously if it says 300x300 they're not going to allow you to have a 500x300, any normal member can understand that and accept it, and the members don't get punished for having a big sig or whatever they get a friendly warning asking to remove it......

anyways i probably won't reply to another post from you unless its based on another idea as this is basically turning into an argument and also isn't a debate thread about peoples suggestions just fo' others to suggest init.

[Eoin]

id get a virtual bookies forum on the case in the sports section.

[GommeInc]

unless you're sad enough to read every single aspect of every rule (which no-one reads the rules anyways in this day and age) then you'd take for granted that on a teenager forum based on habbo hotel you wouldn't be able to upload any form or pornographic images unless you're an idiot then you may assume its perfectly acceptable.

The only time rules on any forum are read is when someone breaks them, then they read them to try and argue their point or don't read them and accept it. and i'm pretty sure under faq's it tells you each usergroups allowed sig/avatar size, obviously if it says 300x300 they're not going to allow you to have a 500x300, any normal member can understand that and accept it, and the members don't get punished for having a big sig or whatever they get a friendly warning asking to remove it......

anyways i probably won't reply to another post from you unless its based on another idea as this is basically turning into an argument and also isn't a debate thread about peoples suggestions just fo' others to suggest init.
See, that's the point - FAQs are not rules. Rules are what you abide by, FAQs are there when you need a frequently asked question answered (pretty self-explainatory). It didn't help when he was warned and had the avatar/signature removed, despite the fact he requested VIP membership for being a member for 5 years, so it's extra effort for no reason when they removed it, and was pointless conflict at the end of it.

And it is an argument... You're arguing your points and I'm arguing mine. I sure hope you're not one of these people who think an argument is pointless and where you strangle each other, because that's technically what comes with debating :P

But I think moderators got that drummed into them anyway, arguments are not bad unless they break the rules :P And seeing as we're discussing a much needed change (the rules) it's not pointless at all :)

[Hecktix]

Note the bit in bold. Figure out what linked means and you've got your answer ;) Also, the "must be in a link or spoiler" begs the "what if" question. What if signatures and avatars can't go in spoilers or links? As it says nothing against uploading directly to the forum (which isn't linking, durh) you assume it's perfectly acceptable. Of course, moderators can use their own common sense and remove it, but they can not tell you it's against the rules - it's like when Mentor had a larger signature or avatar, and a moderator told him it was against the rules, yet no rule existed as it is purely down to the forum system, which automatically restrict avatar sizes depending on user permissions.

Besides, the suggestions I gave takes into consideration this with little text. You're forgetting the current rules just blert out drivvel assuming the person reading the rules are either stupid, or have alot of time on their hands to bother reading them :P

In theory, the rules can be condensed into 3 rules, with sub-rules as points in each rule to take into consideration each outcome. It looks neater and "cuts out the crap", as well as the threatening red writing which someone thought was clever - probably an angry admin or GM at the time.

The only problem is with shorter rules is the fact we will get the pedantic fools who say "that's not specifically on the rules page therefore it's not against the rules", trust me we get a lot of people trying it on, and being able to link to the part where the rules describe pointless posts as "meaningless" is helpful towards a moderator.

People like you and I can link the concept of pointlessness and the concept of meaninglessness together to make the correct assumption that meaningless posts are pointless, however almost on a daily basis people argue that the rule doesn't say meaningless (even though it does).

I support your idea and Garion and I are going to change the way the rules are worded based upon your suggestions however with this the authority of moderators needs to be emphasised in terms of the subjective areas of the rules such as inappropriate and pointless posting are always at the moderators discretion. The mods decide what's pointless, what's inappropriate.

Of course there are systems in place to question a moderators decision however the extensive rules we have at the moment aid the argument on our side as we can link to certain rules, so for short rules to work not only will members need to understand that whether a post breaks a rule or not is at the moderators discretion but moderators will also need to be able to take a section of the shorter rules, and expand on it themselves.

Something I'd like to think our current moderators are more than capable of.

It's been decided anyway so god knows why I'm baffling on, shorter rules have more pros than the one con I have mentioned so shorter more easy to read rules should be on their way, thanks to GommeInc :)

[GommeInc]

The PM I sent Garion said something like this:

Rule A3. <mindless woffle about other sub-points)
To not pointlessly post, where the post is off-topic and doesn't follow on with the conversation.

If it doesn't follow the conversation, then it's pointless :P It's a bit difficult to abuse it when it's short, snappy and generalised.

The italics at the top of the list I gave also mentions moderators can use their own discretion and views, or whatever you want to call it, when dealing with broken rules without having to give examples or a mindless lecture of what counts as this and that, when it's pretty obvious and if the dumb cannot understand it, then there loss if they dare break them :P

[Hecktix]

The PM I sent Garion said something like this:

Rule A3. <mindless woffle about other sub-points)
To not pointlessly post, where the post is off-topic and doesn't follow on with the conversation.

If it doesn't follow the conversation, then it's pointless :P It's a bit difficult to abuse it when it's short, snappy and generalised.

The italics at the top of the list I gave also mentions moderators can use their own discretion and views, or whatever you want to call it, when dealing with broken rules without having to give examples or a mindless lecture of what counts as this and that, when it's pretty obvious and if the dumb cannot understand it, then there loss if they dare break them :P

*checks my PMs to check the list you sent Garion*
OOOH I see it, sorry for missing that you'd added the discretion part :P

That looks great to me as it covers discretion pefectly. However some people don't grasp the concept of a moderator's discretion therefore there will still be complaints but we're used to people moaning at us :( :P

I fully agree that the rules we have at the moment are poorly written and extremely patronising. The rules you have provided are detailed and incise and are not only a lot easier for users to understand but as they are written in a more simple way the moderators should find it a lot easier to expand.

For instance,

If a users posts X and a moderator comes along and believes X is an illegal activity and shouldnt be posted, they remove it, pm/infract 'n' all that jazz then they get a PM back saying IT DOESNT SAY X IS AGAINST THE RULES ON THE RULES.

The moderator can then quote:

Do not discuss inappropriate subjects such as; sex and illegal activities

And then say although it does not specifically mention X, it is as far as I'm concerned an illegal practice and if you read the quote above illegal practices are against the forum rules etc etc etc

So, generally I think it's a good idea and look forward to seeing this change happening.

[hah]

habbox users obviously wouldn't get the point of this thread and turn it into a debate

and ye change the staff cause at the moment you would think its a multinational company with all the staff/dept. lol example

trialst dj > first in command dj > second in command > senior dj > manager its something crazy like tht lol

and who ever said they cant do 3 comps and four events a month.... :S:S whats it probs takes like a min to write up comps and hour to host events... lol

merge comps+events and call them forum events and client events lol

dont quote me if ur do ur a loser or oli.. both the same rly LOL

[Hecktix]

habbox users obviously wouldn't get the point of this thread and turn it into a debate

if I as General Manager i'd ban any Irish people called Graham who always moan all the time. IT'S LIKE YOU ARE A WOMAN.

Oh my, was that sexism?

If I was General Manager I would probably do something with the competitions department along the lines of what FJ's been saying.

[The Professor]

Well this kinda isn't the forum for light hearted threads :P

Btw all this "use moderator discretion" stuff is asking for trouble. I know that seems like a very totalitarian thing to say but leaving things as important as the rules open to debate leaves so much room for error and poor judgement that infraction reversals and unfair edits will go through the roof as well as people being allowed to get away with murder.

If the rules are shortened so that its up to a moderator to decide what it means and things go boobs up, you heard it here first!

[hah]

i kno what u mean lol ;l i got a infraction for posting a pic that was hosted on *REMOVED* lol
its was 4ipods glued together making fun of the ipad

Edited by Oli (Assistant Forum Manager): Please don't post the names of inappropriate websites.

[Hecktix]

i kno what u mean lol ;l i got a infraction for posting a pic that was hosted on *REMOVED* lol
its was 4ipods glued together making fun of the ipad

Edited by Oli (Assistant Forum Manager): Please don't post the names of inappropriate websites.

It was unfair and it was removed, why complain now?

And it wasn't the fact it was hosted on that site, it was that you hotlinked the image and it redirected to a new image advertising the site

[Black_Apalachi]

I'd get rid of attachments in posts as well. They're so annoying and I don't think it's any more difficult to just copy an IMG link into a post.

[GommeInc]

So, generally I think it's a good idea and look forward to seeing this change happening.
Changing the way moderators warn members in a post would be a nice change too. Perhaps making a new type of tag for moderators to use would be a good idea? Having it appear as small box rather than a paragraph/sentence under the post in red writing. I can't think of how to draw it though :/ Basically a table using either a solid outline, or dashed outline, with the warning inside. I'm not sure how vBulletin BB tags work, but in theory it shouldn't be too difficult if it's HTML and whatever enabled. There maybe an add-on as such for it (just a bit of code you copy and paste, rather than a hack where you have to install it) so no security vulnerabilities at all :)

[FlyingJesus]

3 events a month, 4 competitions a month. I was refering to competitions staff doing events, it's completely impractical! I've been doing it for a couple of months now, it's bloody hard work and should not be compulsory.

Events may be a lot of work making sure it's advertised and run well but I don't think you could seriously claim that making 1 thread a week and then later closing it is a tough job. I have nothing against you or the comps dept but with the current supply of competitions I'm sure it could be picked up easily by another community team

[Mathew]

Scrap the entire management/staff structure, Habbox is too much as a business as it is. Sites such as CH manage with just one owner, one site manager, one forum manager and then a techy and two/three department managers. The fact that habbox has 25+ managers/agm's is shocking and it strikes me that they're just lazy.
I agree 100% with this. As I've posted previously, Habbox is being run like a business, when really it's just a set of teens who are giving each other authority online.

Being "under the reign of LargEgo123" is pathetic, as is "next in line for management".. it's not the royal family, it's a fansite for Habbo Hotel. I daresay new members would prefer it if this whole staffing structure was changed and looked more welcoming.
Other sites have general management that play Habbo frequently; they take part in activites on the game, help promote their sites and get it popular (there's only Roxy who is doing this right now.. :rolleyes:)

Currently, there is people acting as a general manager, then someone acting as an assistant. Why not just give them the position if they obviously aren't coming back?

Bleh.. I just can't be bothered anymore.

[Nixt]

Changing the way moderators warn members in a post would be a nice change too. Perhaps making a new type of tag for moderators to use would be a good idea? Having it appear as small box rather than a paragraph/sentence under the post in red writing. I can't think of how to draw it though :/ Basically a table using either a solid outline, or dashed outline, with the warning inside. I'm not sure how vBulletin BB tags work, but in theory it shouldn't be too difficult if it's HTML and whatever enabled. There maybe an add-on as such for it (just a bit of code you copy and paste, rather than a hack where you have to install it) so no security vulnerabilities at all :)

Funny you should say that, we were testing this just last night. We're trying to find / create one that looks good though. It's quite hard to be fair, I think it looks quite vulgar. I want to go for something nice and simple.

[The Professor]

I'd get rid of attachments in posts as well. They're so annoying and I don't think it's any more difficult to just copy an IMG link into a post.

This. ^

[Immenseman]

IT WAS MY IDEA TO MERGE EVENTS AND COMPS I SAID NO COPYING

why are you all so thick, i didn't want your stupid debates in here.

[Immenseman]

cooling period over

~ immenseman

[hah]

LOL SOZ JAKE been said months ago -.-

i wud fire nvr and give sammeth the job.. fgs someone needs to grow a pair and make decisions lol

[Immenseman]

i would also only have management who play habbo

bye garion, oli, sam, cant think of any others

[FlyingJesus]

LOL SOZ JAKE been said months ago -.-

i wud fire nvr and give sammeth the job.. fgs someone needs to grow a pair and make decisions lol

But if you were GM like the thread says nvr wouldn't be so you can't fire him

[hah]

dont ruin it for me :(

[GommeInc]

i would also only have management who play habbo

bye garion, oli, sam, cant think of any others
But Habbo sucks, and isn't necessary for most of the managerial jobs - you don't need to go on Habbo to be the Forum Manager, for example.

[hah]

thats just 1 mangm. job that you dont need habbo for tho :P

[Hecktix]

I suppose, in all honesty a Forum Manager that uses Habbo could go down quite well, as it is a big position.

Anyway, I still use Habbo occasionally, as does Garion.

[hah]

mattg used habbo a lot

[HotelUser]

I suppose, in all honesty a Forum Manager that uses Habbo could go down quite well, as it is a big position.

Anyway, I still use Habbo occasionally, as does Garion.

All of us could probably participate in Habbox events on Habbo a bit more than we do currently:P

[xxMATTGxx]

mattg used habbo a lot

I still do on a regular basis. :)

[GommeInc]

thats just 1 mangm. job that you dont need habbo for tho :P
Technically all of them do not need to use Habbo, as the departments and areas they look after are run by hired goons :P It would be useful for some though :P

[leah]

I'd remove the filter

[Immenseman]

yeah i know they do good jobs or whatevz but people on here have forgot that our main audience and target base thingy is habbo and having mgmt who dont play habbo is hardly gr8. i'd pick people who could do good jobs and play habbo. it worked for ch which is now busier than hxf throughout the day and in evenings

[Sammeth.]

at least we've got mornings down to a tee.

[Immenseman]

yeah this has more people from countries outside of the uk than any other site