Show Off Your Website Here - Including Habbo Fansites.

[Seatherny]

A rule needs to be made on Show Off Your Website Here - Including Habbo Fansites.

Rule: Do not advertise sites which haven't yet been opened.

I am fed up of going on that forum and finding it filled with people posting "Site coming soon!!"
When you click the link, all it is, is a image going SITE OPENING SOON.

Whats the point in allowing people to post that "/ The forum is actually there for reviews. People are filling it with: Go to my site and apply for jobs!! Site opening soon!!

I am sure there is a different section for jobs ...

[Hecktix]

I see your point :)

Let's see what other people have to say.

[dogboy123]

I agree, they always say oh yeah open at X then it opens like 2days later.

Its just pointless and a liability

[Jamesy]

We tackled the jobs one a while back. But I agree, I too dislike advertising maintenance pages.

Though I fear closing and removing threads advertising these pages may make the moderation department seem just that little bit heavy handed.

[Seatherny]

We tackled the jobs one a while back. But I agree, I too dislike advertising maintenance pages.

Though I fear closing and removing threads advertising these pages may make the moderation department seem just that little bit heavy handed.

Make the rule. Most will follow it if you force them to read the new rule thread in that section.

If they don't follow it, I am sure the moderators have enough time to close one thread a day ...
Or hire some more for the section.

I find it frustrating going in that section thinking I will see some good sites. But nope, all I see is maintenance pages. It puts me off the damn section.

[Jamesy]

An amendment to Matt's sticky mentioning this would be good.

My concern is that it could potentially kill that section by closing every thread that is advertising something in the future - not that we don't have enough moderators.

[Seatherny]

An amendment to Matt's sticky mentioning this would be good.

My concern is that it could potentially kill that section by closing every thread that is advertising something in the future - not that we don't have enough moderators.

It was fine before, but now its getting out of control.
Advertise future events of a site which is open or something which is coming in the future as long as the site has some content!

People are taking the piss and advertising maintenance pages.

Maybe change the name of the forum to "Site Reviews".

[Hecktix]

Perhaps we could add a subforum for advertising/discussing future projects?

Or, I like the site reviews namechange idea.

[Jamesy]

Perhaps we could add a subforum for advertising/discussing future projects?

Or, I like the site reviews namechange idea.

I agree with this. At least this way we aren't closing topics, just moving them to another section.

[Hecktix]

I'll have a chat with Garion when I get home :)

[Cixso]

Advertising a maintenance page is annoying but for a matter of fact is part of getting in the known... Yes not glamorous but it is still essential. You don't open a website without getting initial feedback such as the ideas.

I'll explain in depth later but the gist is:

I'm against this idea, but a rule should be made that "hyperlinks" is a must, and get rid of that annoying saying "lazy link".

[Seatherny]

Make a new section. But looking at the OPENING SOON threads is annoying "/

[Gibs960]

I couldn't agree more, they say "Oh PM me and I'll see if I can get you a job, did I tell you it isn't opening for another month." There should maybe be a forum for websites that are coming soon, or a section for websites that have jobs open but the website isn't open :) I see your point.

[today]

I kinda like looking at some websites which will open shortly, as you can help provide feedback, but then some are so **** they shouldnt even get a thread lol.

[Seatherny]

I kinda like looking at some websites which will open shortly, as you can help provide feedback, but then some are so **** they shouldnt even get a thread lol.

Its hard to provide feedback when its just:

hey my forum opens next week! heres the link!

And when you go on the site, its just a image saying coming soon >.<

[today]

Its hard to provide feedback when its just:

hey my forum opens next week! heres the link!

And when you go on the site, its just a image saying coming soon >.<
Yeah i agree there, but sometimes i like to know about sites before they open.

[GommeInc]

I don't see why there should be a rule, it's common sense not to advertise or show off a website that doesn't exist. If they're talking about websites, they either need a new forum or that forums needs to be changed to accomodate websites that are being built (within reason) to show off what the website will be about. Afterall, some people maybe making a website with interesting content, and are showing off the fact it has this content, than the actual design of the website.

Still, if they're advertising the website in general without it being open, it maybe worth moderators just closing the threads or getting in contact with the member and telling to grow some new brain cells or enforcing the pointless posting rules (afterall, it would be pointless to advertise something that isn't there).

Previews would be needed at least, if pictures of the website (if they're showing off the design and content), or some background information on the soon to be website, such as what content will be involved etc. It's all good getting it known, but telling people that a website is coming is a bit pointless, some examples or previews would be needed, and very useful for potential viewers.

[Immenseman]

I think it's a stupid idea. Have you never seen posters and advertisements... "coming soon..." all movies/clubs/shops do it. It's pretty standard to try and build up interest for your site before the opening so people are aware of it and will visit it on the opening. There is no need for it to change, people usually specify in their thread that it's opening in a week or whatever ~ it's not like it's some sort of trick. I believe you should keep it as it is and make sure that those that aren't yet open make it clear. Prefixes are ugly and I'm not sure if they've been scrapped but if not maybe there could be one for sites that aren't yet open?

[Seatherny]

I think it's a stupid idea. Have you never seen posters and advertisements... "coming soon..." all movies/clubs/shops do it. It's pretty standard to try and build up interest for your site before the opening so people are aware of it and will visit it on the opening. There is no need for it to change, people usually specify in their thread that it's opening in a week or whatever ~ it's not like it's some sort of trick. I believe you should keep it as it is and make sure that those that aren't yet open make it clear. Prefixes are ugly and I'm not sure if they've been scrapped but if not maybe there could be one for sites that aren't yet open?

The site is there to "Show off your website" and get feedback
Now advertising sites which are coming soon.

Comparing this to adverts saying THIS MOVIE IS COMING SOON is just silly :S

[hah]

Building up anticipation... like devothabbo everyone was waiting for that (then it failed lol)
i dont think there should be a rule

[Immenseman]

The site is there to "Show off your website" and get feedback
Now advertising sites which are coming soon.

Comparing this to adverts saying THIS MOVIE IS COMING SOON is just silly :S
You take the forum name too literally. In spam, I demand there is a rule that only Stupid Pointless Annoying Messages can be posted such as ginregojrgv. Not actual threads which prompt discussion, how dare they be placed in Spam :rolleyes:

[Seatherny]

You take the forum name too literally. In spam, I demand there is a rule that only Stupid Pointless Annoying Messages can be posted such as ginregojrgv. Not actual threads which prompt discussion, how dare they be placed in Spam :rolleyes:

The forum is there for Site Reviews. I can just post 10 threads going "Site coming soon" with no previews, no details. Just a link.

Its pointless spam.

[hah]

i think he is just complaining for the sake of it

Edited by iAdam (Forum Super Moderator); Please do not post pointlessly.

[today]

i think he is just complaining for the sake of it
in agreement here

Edited by iAdam (Forum Super Moderator); Please do not post pointlessly.

[Seatherny]

Ofcourse >.>
All they are showing off is a maintainence page.

[Barmi]

I don't care much for generating 'support' pre-launch. It's annoying to trawl through a section of splash pages.

Pre-launch buzz just isn't necessary, and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. Launch a site, then promote and build users. At least that way there will be less chance of any catastrophic ****-ups.

Either way, it would be nice for forum management to decide whether Jake's flawed advertising analogy holds true or not. Showing off implies there is something in existence to show off. And yeah, maybe I'm taking a literal interpretation... but I will continue to do so until forum management clear it up.

[Immenseman]

The forum is there for Site Reviews. I can just post 10 threads going "Site coming soon" with no previews, no details. Just a link.

Its pointless spam.

It isn't purposeful. You should know full well that things don't always go to plan. Can you link me to some recent threads (in the last month) which have said site coming soon and not explained what the site will be in said forum.

Agreed with those who say he's just moaning for the sake of having a moan.

[today]

I don't care much for generating 'support' pre-launch. It's annoying to trawl through a section of splash pages.

Pre-launch buzz just isn't necessary, and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. Launch a site, then promote and build users. At least that way there will be less chance of any catastrophic ****-ups.

Either way, it would be nice for forum management to decide whether Jake's flawed advertising analogy holds true or not. Showing off implies there is something in existence to show off. And yeah, maybe I'm taking a literal interpretation... but I will continue to do so until forum management clear it up.
Showing off means some sort of work, a splash page does come under this.

[Barmi]

Showing off means some sort of work, a splash page does come under this.
Check out my fit splash page. :rolleyes:

It's annoying to see, but I'll shut up when we have word from forum management.

[Seatherny]

It isn't purposeful. You should know full well that things don't always go to plan. Can you link me to some recent threads (in the last month) which have said site coming soon and not explained what the site will be in said forum.

Agreed with those who say he's just moaning for the sake of having a moan.

Of of course I am >.< that's why so many agree with me. :rolleyes: You seem to be just moaning because people are disagreeing with you. Typical.

I can make 10 threads now, just say 1 line about it and thats it. Its spam. Nothing else. If they open the site, advertise it then, then if people like it they will join. You cant join a maintenance page can you? And most of them are just typical habbo fansites ...

[Immenseman]

I don't really see anybody disagreeing with me but whatever. People get so wound up about little things that won't help the forum and shouldn't affect them. People need to relax, lol. If you think they shouldn't advertise their site before they open then that's ludicrous. Habbox did, ClubHabbo did, HFFM did - what do you suggest? They advertise once they're open and have no users for the first week? o.O

[Seatherny]

I don't really see anybody disagreeing with me but whatever. People get so wound up about little things that won't help the forum and shouldn't affect them. People need to relax, lol. If you think they shouldn't advertise their site before they open then that's ludicrous. Habbox did, ClubHabbo did, HFFM did - what do you suggest? They advertise once they're open and have no users for the first week? o.O

So you think people will be excited for the launch day and sign up? I doubt it. Advertise it on launch day, if people like it, they will join / use it.

The forum's real reason is so people can review the websites. If people are that desperate for these "Coming soon" websites, create a new subforum.

[Immenseman]

How can you turn it and make those who don't really care the "desperate" ones. You're the one who is desperate for a change that harms and shouldn't affect anybody. Like how you gave me no links like I asked too. All talk. Prove me wrong and show me the endless sites that have been advertised with no information like you keep rattling on about.

[Seatherny]

How can you turn it and make those who don't really care the "desperate" ones. You're the one who is desperate for a change that harms and shouldn't affect anybody. Like how you gave me no links like I asked too. All talk. Prove me wrong and show me the endless sites that have been advertised with no information like you keep rattling on about.

Someone said the section will be empty without them. So make a subforum for them ...
You say I am desperate but you seem desperate to want to keep them :S

http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=626701
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=626806
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=626377 (although its now opened)
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=624781
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=625600 (sites dead and thread is still erm there ...)

Those six are on the 1st page.


http://www.Habbo.LA/

will be a new Habbo US fansite (hence the "LA")
comming with-in the next month.

Staff Is sorted, and a shoutcast and layout are in development.

Just made this thread as a proggress report

Awesome domain eh?

I am sorry, but that really provides a great preview for a site doesn't it. No screen shots, just a "progress report" thread.


After TheHabboBB.com failing due to issues, I've decided to go back independantly and reopen OhHabbo.com with a decent version instead of rushed versions like in the past.

Anyway I would just like to tell you about the opening on 12th February at 7pm and welcome you all along, at first we are only going to be a forum and then work on an amazing site behind the scenes.

Anyway www.ohhabbo.com - Job applications on there aswell just click the image which will take you to job application form, good luck to those who apply.


A forum and a main site and advertising jobs. Great detail about the site.

[Black_Apalachi]

Advertising a maintenance page is annoying but for a matter of fact is part of getting in the known... Yes not glamorous but it is still essential. You don't open a website without getting initial feedback such as the ideas.

I'll explain in depth later but the gist is:

I'm against this idea, but a rule should be made that "hyperlinks" is a must, and get rid of that annoying saying "lazy link".

I think I agree with this and I certainly agree with the last part. I don't visit that section very often but when I do, I find it completely mind-boggling to see how many threads advertise websites without displaying a hyper-link :S In my opinion that's the dumbest thing you can do and if a website owner doesn't understand this then I don't see why I should even bother looking at their website when they clearly don't have a grasp of the internet. Likewise, the words "lazy link" would ever be uttered by someone who knows what they're doing in marketing a website.

[Hecktix]

I think what Jake said about the fact that a website has to advertise to get users in the first week of opening has swayed my opinion to the other side of the argument here.

At the end of the day I don't use the tech forums so my personal opinion is indifferent, however obviously my opinion as AFM has to be one which is going to benefit the forum.

So here's my detailed view:

Threads created to advertise the site but have a heavy emphasis on the "jobs" front should be moved to the "Website Staff" forum.

Threads which are created to advertise the site on a whole (perhaps mentions jobs but not the main emphasis) and provide scope for a discussion to take place should be allowed in the "Show off your websites" forum.

Although I originally suggested it, following a chat with Garion, I don't think a subforum is the way to go here, not only because it would halve the activity in the "Show off your website" parent forum, it would also defeat the object of our attempts to cut down the amount of forums we have.

Prefixes are another possibility but let's face it they're ugly.

[Seatherny]

I think what Jake said about the fact that a website has to advertise to get users in the first week of opening has swayed my opinion to the other side of the argument here.

At the end of the day I don't use the tech forums so my personal opinion is indifferent, however obviously my opinion as AFM has to be one which is going to benefit the forum.

So here's my detailed view:

Threads created to advertise the site but have a heavy emphasis on the "jobs" front should be moved to the "Website Staff" forum.

Threads which are created to advertise the site on a whole (perhaps mentions jobs but not the main emphasis) and provide scope for a discussion to take place should be allowed in the "Show off your websites" forum.

Although I originally suggested it, following a chat with Garion, I don't think a subforum is the way to go here, not only because it would halve the activity in the "Show off your website" parent forum, it would also defeat the object of our attempts to cut down the amount of forums we have.

Prefixes are another possibility but let's face it they're ugly.

Surely if they advertise it on the day it opens, they have a better chance of getting more members :S
Advertising it before with no screen shots and just saying "a new amazing habbo fansite" is useless. If anyone says just that gets them all excited and ready to join, they are lying. Also, if they just provide a link before it opens, people will go on, see the site isnt open yet and most likely forget about it. However, if they went on the site and it was open, they are more likely to join.

This is what I propose:

You can advertise fully open sites
You can advertise sites that are *opening soon* as long as a full preview of the site is posted - as in a image. This is so people can provide feedback.

Right now, people are posting like this. And its SPAM. It tells you nothing about the site.


http://www.Habbo.LA/

will be a new Habbo US fansite (hence the "LA")
comming with-in the next month.

Staff Is sorted, and a shoutcast and layout are in development.

Just made this thread as a proggress report

Awesome domain eh?

[Catzsy]

I have to say I am usually very nervous in that section if a website isn't anywhere near complete especially to click on any links in case its virused or anything but that is coming from somebody who hasn't a clue about construction of websites. It is show off your website so my personal view is that unless it's well on to the way to completion there doesn't seem to be much point in posting it.

[Hecktix]

Surely if they advertise it on the day it opens, they have a better chance of getting more members :S
Advertising it before with no screen shots and just saying "a new amazing habbo fansite" is useless. If anyone says just that gets them all excited and ready to join, they are lying. Also, if they just provide a link before it opens, people will go on, see the site isnt open yet and most likely forget about it. However, if they went on the site and it was open, they are more likely to join.

This is what I propose:

You can advertise fully open sites
You can advertise sites that are *opening soon* as long as a full preview of the site is posted - as in a image. This is so people can provide feedback.

Right now, people are posting like this. And its SPAM. It tells you nothing about the site.

In all honesty I am strictly against telling people precisely what they have to post. Even the post you quoted has scope for discussion, as people can ask questions etc and find out more that way. In all honesty Saurav, it's a forum to which the description reads "Advertise your site here", and they are still advertising, just not going into much detail about their site but like I said, if people are interested they can ask questions.

[Immenseman]

In that post you gave us we know it's a Habbo fansite, under construction and is going to have a radio - what exactly do you want to see? That's the first link.

Second link - it's a site reopening, the fans of the site know about it and goes into detail about the opening - not spam.

Third link - the site has opened, great example.

Fourth link - it tells you all about it - I asked for examples of sites that don't explain what they are because that's what you said the forum was full of. Out of those four, none of those are what you said.

Fifth link - granted.

1 out of 5 of those links are what you said.

[Nixt]

As Oli has said, I am against the idea of a subforum for this. I hate the idea of splitting stuff up over some trivial matters. If there is a real solid distinction then fair enough, but creating such a forum seems so pointless. Additionally, I do not support the idea of implementing a specific rule for this. Later this evening, Oli and I are intending to go over all of the rules and hopefully implement some considerable changes. One of our intentions in doing this is to cut back on the bureaucracy that has taken over Habbox. There are too many rules and they are all too imposing.

Nevertheless, I understand your frustration when it comes to this. I also agree that really, it is pointless just posting a link to a site that merely has a maintenance page. Therefore, perhaps I could have the (Super) Moderators - at their discretion - choose to PM members, asking them to supply previews or some real substance to these threads or they will be closed.