Who will you be voting this summer?

[Seatherny]

Who will you be voting this summer?

I know most of you wont be old enough, so say if you could vote, who would you vote?

I am not going to list all the parties in the poll as its pointless.

[lazerman]

Pirate Party UK

The Pirate Party's three core policies:
* Reform copyright and patent law -- legalise non-commercial file sharing, reduce the excessive length of copyright.
* End excessive surveillance of innocent people.
* Ensure that everyone has freedom of speech and freedom to participate in our shared culture.

[Bun]

monster raving loonies ofc!




nah it would be labour, but my birthday is on the 22nd may so looks like i'm going to miss it! not that bothered about missing it cos i live in a safe labour seat aha.

[lazerman]

monster raving loonies ofc!




nah it would be labour, but my birthday is on the 22nd may so looks like i'm going to miss it! not that bothered about missing it cos i live in a safe labour seat aha.



What the main reason of you supporting them?

Just wondered aha

[Misawa]

Conservative.

[Bun]

What the main reason of you supporting them?

Just wondered aha
labour or mrl? :P

Conservative.
shock horror.

[lazerman]

Labour..

[Alkaz]

Labour - whens the vote?

[Stryderman]

Cant say i have voted and i doubt i ever will doesnt bother me and the way i see it my vote isnt really gonna make a difference.

[Bun]

quite a few reaons really. firstly, i'd say im mostly middleleft, i'm not a complete socialist but i agree with a lot of their policies. i like what they stand for (what they actually do stand for and not what, like many other parties, pretend to stand for). cba going into too much detail cos it's my week off college so i'm slumming it. oh and as my friend would say, 'cos me dad voted labour' (or 'one's papa used one's right of suffrage to vote tory'......). i know it sounds slightly fickle, but it's not really a major factor as i have my own mind and culture, maybe just the way i was brought up has slightly rubbed off on me?



i also really really really really dislike conservatives. :P

[Bun]

Cant say i have voted and i doubt i ever will doesnt bother me and the way i see it my vote isnt really gonna make a difference.
trust me man, your vote may not seem important in the whole spectrum of it, but it really is! say you had a certain view or slight wish and a party had included it in their manifesto, you could regret not voting. i'm not forcing you to vote cos it's your choice but i think it's imperative to get young people interested in politics. :P





sorry for double post btw.

Edited by Tash. (Forum Moderator): Please don't double post within the 15 minute time limit.

[-:Undertaker:-]

UKIP, i'll vote Call Me Dave if and when I hear some real policies from him. Labour, Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats are all the same.

[Adamm]

RESPECT.

[Bun]

UKIP, i'll vote Call Me Dave if and when I hear some real policies from him. Labour, Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats are all the same.
i was under the presumption you were 16/17? :O

[-:Undertaker:-]

i was under the presumption you were 16/17? :O

I am lol, i'll miss voting by a few months this year but theres always next May in the local elections. I guess i'll be 'supporting' UKIP then. :P But seriously, although they wont get into office anytime soon I want a hung parliament because with any hope the Conservatives will either ditch Cameron or they'll start offering real Conservative policies which we need to get this country back on track as we did in the 1980s under Thatcher although again, not much faith in 'cast-iron' Dave. A lot of the vote this year is going to go away from the Tories and to UKIP and the BNP which could very well cost the Conservatives a large number of seats. I think in 2005 UKIP cost the Tories 30 - 40 seats due to splitting the vote.

Anyway the election means your only voting for a government which decides a mere estimated 25% (could very well be less than that figure) of our laws, the rest are decided in Brussels by unelected, foreign eurocrats.

[Bun]

I am lol, i'll miss voting by a few months this year but theres always next May in the local elections. I guess i'll be 'supporting' UKIP then. :P But seriously, although they wont get into office anytime soon I want a hung parliament because with any hope the Conservatives will either ditch Cameron or they'll start offering real Conservative policies which we need to get this country back on track as we did in the 1980s under Thatcher although again, not much faith in 'cast-iron' Dave. A lot of the vote this year is going to go away from the Tories and to UKIP and the BNP which could very well cost the Conservatives a large number of seats. I think in 2005 UKIP cost the Tories 30 - 40 seats due to splitting the vote.

Anyway the election means your only voting for a government which decides a mere estimated 25% (could very well be less than that figure) of our laws, the rest are decided in Brussels by unelected, foreign eurocrats.

although i agree with the cameron bit, wouldn't class myself as a thatcherite lmao.. :P don't want to turn this into another debate cos i want people to decide for themselves but..


oi to the bolded bit! :@ none of that in here please... :P

[Amzoe]

BNP. Say no more.

[-:Undertaker:-]

although i agree with the cameron bit, wouldn't class myself as a thatcherite lmao.. :P don't want to turn this into another debate cos i want people to decide for themselves but..

oi to the bolded bit! :@ none of that in here please... :P

Everyone is a Thatcherite; if your family owns a business, wants lower taxes to spend on yourself, believes in the law and justice, wants smaller government and less state control and so forth then you are a Thatcherite like it or not.

If you want business to be nationalised via the government, want higher taxes to spend on the state and others, believe in the notion that prison doesnt really work and laws should be less hefty, want bigger government and more state control and so forth then you are a socialist (to the left [Labour] so to speak).

I read about Thatcher with a biased mind against her just like you may have now - I supported the Liberal Democrats and believed she had ruined this country. When I actually sat down and read about her, the history of the country and how bad the 1970s were for Britain, I changed opinion because it just made common sense what she did and what she stood for. EU, well its true and its a great shame. Many dont vote in politics now because quite honestly they [ruling Lib/Lab/Con elite] no longer reflect the majority view so people just think 'stuff it' or get pushed to the extremes such as the BNP because they feel there is little hope elsewhere. Our government cant even decide what lightbulbs we should use or how large our fruit should be.

[Japan]

BNP. Say no more.
Ew.

Would vote labour. If I could ;)

[Black_Apalachi]

Christ why does everyone want to vote Labour? I'm probably going to end up wasting my vote. Although if I was undecided, I'd probably just vote for anyone other than Labour rather than waste it.

[Eoin]

whoever the person that buys me a drink tells me to vote for.

Id happily give my vote for a pint

;)

[-:Undertaker:-]

Christ why does everyone want to vote Labour? I'm probably going to end up wasting my vote. Although if I was undecided, I'd probably just vote for anyone other than Labour rather than waste it.

Often younger kids are more left-wing and support Labour because they believe it stands for things such as equality and so forth, aka helping everyone despite the fact the opposite is true. They also do it because they dont have much money, so money doesnt really play a part in their lives and doesnt make much of a difference to them because young people dont know the value of money and as we know, Labour have a very poor track record in the handling of money because they also do not know the value of money - especially when its not their own. :P

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.” - Sir Winston Churchill


whoever the person that buys me a drink tells me to vote for.

Id happily give my vote for a pint

UKIP then. ;)

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[Seatherny]

Often younger kids are more left-wing and support Labour because they believe it stands for things such as equality and so forth, aka helping everyone despite the fact the opposite is true. They also do it because they dont have much money, so money doesnt really play a part in their lives and doesnt make much of a difference to them because young people dont know the value of money and as we know, Labour have a very poor track record in the handling of money because they also do not know the value of money - especially when its not their own. :P

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.” - Sir Winston Churchill



UKIP then. ;)

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They can surely handle money better than UKIP and Tories.
And most teenagers do know the value of money actually. Maybe you don't hence you are making those comments but believe me, most teenagers I know value money.

[-:Undertaker:-]

They can surely handle money better than UKIP and Tories.

And most teenagers do know the value of money actually. Maybe you don't hence you are making those comments but believe me, most teenagers I know value money.

History doesnt say that, 1979 and 2010 show the opposite.

On teenagers, most teenagers are always skint and therefore don't know the value of money. I probably dont properly either, my parents urged me to save mine up and at first I didnt want to but I did and i'm glad now because now all my mates are skint, i'm not.

[Seatherny]

History doesnt say that, 1979 and 2010 show the opposite.

On teenagers, most teenagers are always skint and therefore don't know the value of money. I probably dont properly either, my parents urged me to save mine up and at first I didnt want to but I did and i'm glad now because now all my mates are skint, i'm not.

Skint as in they spent their pocket money or EMA if they are in college. Considering alot of teenagers drink, and so do adults, both spend similar amounts on alcohol each week. But because they spend their allowance doesn't mean they do not value money "/.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Skint as in they spent their pocket money or EMA if they are in college. Considering alot of teenagers drink, and so do adults, both spend similar amounts on alcohol each week. But because they spend their allowance doesn't mean they do not value money "/.

If you waste all/most of your money on drink/other stuff, then thats not being sensible with money. You are supposed to be sensible and save up money. I'm not having a go at teenagers, of course teenagers will spend money more at ease but that doesnt mean they are great at money - it infact means the opposite. I sometimes wonder how my mates waste so much money, and even myself when i'm somewhere and i'll come back with a lot less and i'll wonder to myself "jesus how did I spend that much" and when you really think about it, you waste an awful lot of it.

It doesnt mean young people are stupid or ignorant, just kids being kids but its no reason to pretend that kids know the value of money - because they dont.

[Seatherny]

If you waste all/most of your money on drink/other stuff, then thats not being sensible with money. You are supposed to be sensible and save up money. I'm not having a go at teenagers, of course teenagers will spend money more at ease but that doesnt mean they are great at money - it infact means the opposite. I sometimes wonder how my mates waste so much money, and even myself when i'm somewhere and i'll come back with a lot less and i'll wonder to myself "jesus how did I spend that much" and when you really think about it, you waste an awful lot of it.

It doesnt mean young people are stupid or ignorant, just kids being kids but its no reason to pretend that kids know the value of money - because they dont.

Do your parents spend money on you? E.g. clothes, bus, entertainment, if you go out then for food?
Because many peoples parents dont, hence they go "skint".

[-:Undertaker:-]

Do your parents spend money on you? E.g. clothes, bus, entertainment, if you go out then for food?
Because many peoples parents dont, hence they go "skint".

Bus money is (85p a day), clothes no and food - it depends, although I dont really ask for the money back and i've become more aware of how much I waste so i'm far more strict with what I buy now "do I really want that" and most of the times its a no, so I don't buy. Indeed many kids are like that, some will be like me and save up and others will spend and its the majority who spend it like theres no tommorow - hence why they have no concept of money and its value.

This dribbles to politics because the fact is we have adults incharge of the country and incharge of our money and they should be far more careful when spending our money. Its like a small child, you give them £10 of your money and they'll most likely waste it. You give them £10 of their own money, they'll be far less eager to waste it.

[Geraint]

legalise cannabis society

[Jordy]

UKIP then. ;)

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The Tories do full pints atleast :)

I can't vote sadly however my vote would definitely go to the Conservatives. For obvious reasons I don't want Labour in again (The reason being, the past 13 years :P) and I feel the Conservatives are the only real choice. They'll bring a bit of change for the better, probably not as much as needed however a vote for anyone else will just be a wasted vote and end up helping Labour or causing a hung parliament, I do not want that.

[Blinger1]

I'm voting K.RUDD! I think he is labour.

[Seatherny]

Bus money is (85p a day), clothes no and food - it depends, although I dont really ask for the money back and i've become more aware of how much I waste so i'm far more strict with what I buy now "do I really want that" and most of the times its a no, so I don't buy. Indeed many kids are like that, some will be like me and save up and others will spend and its the majority who spend it like theres no tommorow - hence why they have no concept of money and its value.

This dribbles to politics because the fact is we have adults incharge of the country and incharge of our money and they should be far more careful when spending our money. Its like a small child, you give them £10 of your money and they'll most likely waste it. You give them £10 of their own money, they'll be far less eager to waste it.

Maybe 85p where you live but £2 (to school and back) in Manchester. Besides, kids cant vote anyway, so it really doesn't matter who they support. Most students who vote are at university and believe me, I know from experience, most uni students value money and look after it.

[ifuseekamy]

No one, none of them deserve MY vote.

[Blue]

Most likely either Conservative or UKIP. Labour have run out of steam, in power for what, 13 years now, when was the last time we saw anything new come out of the party

[Seatherny]

No one, none of them deserve MY vote.

How old are you?
And so you will be wasting you vote if you can actually vote?

[MrPinkPanther]

Liberal democrats, the only one of the 3 mainstream parties who offers real change. I guess it won't surprise a lot of you that I am voting for them but what may surprise you is I'm also standing as a Liberal Democrat Councillor in the Local Elections.

[Bun]

Liberal democrats, the only one of the 3 mainstream parties who offers real change. I guess it won't surprise a lot of you that I am voting for them but what may surprise you is I'm also standing as a Liberal Democrat Councillor in the Local Elections.
cool where abouts do you live? is it a safe seat or you reckon you got a chance?

[MrPinkPanther]

cool where abouts do you live? is it a safe seat or you reckon you got a chance?

Swindon, the Conservatives will likely win the ward. Thats part of the reason I'm being allowed to stand when I'm fairly new to "Real" Politics, it's to gain experience so in future elections I will be able to contest places where the Liberal Democrats stand a really good chance of winning it.

Undertaker I'd also like to point out how "kids" can't vote in elections.

[Ajthedragon]

Labour made all those promises in 1997, and only made things worst, child crime is up, blinge drinking is up and a kid at my school punched a teacher in the face and was suspend for a day because under government law they couldn't expel him?

Either UKIP, Lib Dems (they have quite different policies, love to try them out!) & Conservative ftw.

[MrPinkPanther]

child crime is up
I don't have the figures for child crime but overall crime is down drastically so I'm sure child crime couldn't have risen by much if it did rise. People believe crime is up because of the "Crime complex" and increased awareness of crime because of new mediums such as the Internet but I assure you it's down.


blinge drinking is up
Again I don't have the exact figures so I can't really comment but surely binge drinking rates are hard to monitor?


a kid at my school punched a teacher in the face and was suspend for a day because under government law they couldn't expel him?
Not true, someone has told you a porky. Firstly they could suspend him for longer than a day, secondly they could expel him although its the governors who make the decision. Are you sure he doesn't have some kind of mental issue? That would explain it.


Either UKIP, Lib Dems (they have quite different policies, love to try them out!) & Conservative ftw.
Both UKIP and the Conservatives support the decaying old systems. The Conservatives say "Year for Change" but I can't find any real change in their policies can you?

Labour have totally lost their way but it really annoys me when people jump on the bandwagon and bash labour. They gave us the longest period of sustained economic growth, falling crime and greater social mobility. If anything you should be complaining about Top up fees and Iraq.

[=Dan=96]

Labour cause i like the name lol

[Bun]

Swindon, the Conservatives will likely win the ward. Thats part of the reason I'm being allowed to stand when I'm fairly new to "Real" Politics, it's to gain experience so in future elections I will be able to contest places where the Liberal Democrats stand a really good chance of winning it.

Undertaker I'd also like to point out how "kids" can't vote in elections.
ah yeah my dad stood for a labour councillor before even though it was in a very safe liberal seat i think :P. i was at primary school and oblivious at the time cos i had friends bringing pamphlets to school and showing me i was like what the hell? :P gl when you stand :).

Labour cause i like the name lol
i <3 this country.

[Robbie]

Labour cause i like the name lol

Were you born in 1996?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Maybe 85p where you live but £2 (to school and back) in Manchester. Besides, kids cant vote anyway, so it really doesn't matter who they support. Most students who vote are at university and believe me, I know from experience, most uni students value money and look after it.

Well you know £2 isnt that much in the grand scheme of things, i'm sure you are other kids spend a lot more every week on sweets/alcohol. On kids of course it doesnt matter who they support, but the fact of the matter is that kids cannot and do no value money - hence why they are all usually skint for spending it all on getting hammered (while at Uni especially).


Swindon, the Conservatives will likely win the ward. Thats part of the reason I'm being allowed to stand when I'm fairly new to "Real" Politics, it's to gain experience so in future elections I will be able to contest places where the Liberal Democrats stand a really good chance of winning it.

Undertaker I'd also like to point out how "kids" can't vote in elections.

Never said kids could vote mate.


Both UKIP and the Conservatives support the decaying old systems. The Conservatives say "Year for Change" but I can't find any real change in their policies can you?

Labour have totally lost their way but it really annoys me when people jump on the bandwagon and bash labour. They gave us the longest period of sustained economic growth, falling crime and greater social mobility. If anything you should be complaining about Top up fees and Iraq.

What decaying old system?

Oh wait you mean;


Spend OUR money on OUR people.
Increase military funding for OUR military.
Leave corrupt, wasteful EU which our people dont want to be in.
Stay as the United Kingdom and not a province of Europe.
Lower taxes to people can spend their own money on themselves.
Smaller government so it wastes less.

Well it may be old but it bloody well worked and its what people want. You are very good at dishing out great Obama-like phrases like 'Change!!' or 'Down with the old system and in with the new!!' but what exactly are you proposing? - On Labours track record if you really believe their government figures that crime has fallen then you really have fell for them. Although maybe crime has 'offically' fallen but that is only because sentences have fallen and most people the police dont even bother to try and catch now because if they do, it'll only cost money and time and they'll be let off.

Its great the way the left constantly blames all their problems on the Conservatives and Thatcher yet right now they are pretty much following her economic policy (just overspending and wasting it). I do love it though when Liberal Democrats and Labour voters moan about higher taxes when Labour and the Liberal Democrats have always supported and raised taxes to fund their absurd wasteful spending programmes (no doubt we'll see some on this forum from them when the Tories are in office) - and they say turkeys dont vote for Christmas!

[Seatherny]

Well you know £2 isnt that much in the grand scheme of things, i'm sure you are other kids spend a lot more every week on sweets/alcohol. On kids of course it doesnt matter who they support, but the fact of the matter is that kids cannot and do no value money - hence why they are all usually skint for spending it all on getting hammered (while at Uni especially).


It is if its £10 a week and its a working class family. Like I said, do your parents buy your clothes etc for you? Because many kids parents don't ...

Anyway at uni, many people work and spend their own money, so they do realise how hard it is to get jobs and earn money. I know this because I bloody go to uni and I speak to people and they always say how hard it is. Many of them go out less to save money.

Majority of the students at uni:

have to buy their own food
have to pay for their own travel to and from ni
have to pay for their on travel to and from their home
have to have a bit of a social life

Thats just a tiny bit of it.

So no, not all of it is spent on just "alcohol and sweets etc". You never open up your mind and think ALCOHOL! THATS WHAT THEY ALL SPEND THEIR MONEY ON. "/

[-:Undertaker:-]

It is if its £10 a week and its a working class family. Like I said, do your parents buy your clothes etc for you? Because many kids parents don't ...

Anyway at uni, many people work and spend their own money, so they do realise how hard it is to get jobs and earn money. I know this because I bloody go to uni and I speak to people and they always say how hard it is. Many of them go out less to save money.

Majority of the students at uni:

have to buy their own food
have to pay for their own travel to and from ni
have to pay for their on travel to and from their home
have to have a bit of a social life

Thats just a tiny bit of it.

So no, not all of it is spent on just "alcohol and sweets etc". You never open up your mind and think ALCOHOL! THATS WHAT THEY ALL SPEND THEIR MONEY ON. "/

I buy my own clothes and I can because I saved my money and didnt waste it. Uni students find it hard because they want the maximum amount to spend on drink, hence why they often buy cheaper food and so forth so they can get hammered on the weekend. Lets not pretend here; kids are kids - they want a good time and they'll spend their money. Kids dont know the value of money, some will of course but the vast majority waste it. I dont know of one person who actually doesnt waste their EMA money.

[Seatherny]

I buy my own clothes and I can because I saved my money and didnt waste it. Uni students find it hard because they want the maximum amount to spend on drink, hence why they often buy cheaper food and so forth so they can get hammered on the weekend. Lets not pretend here; kids are kids - they want a good time and they'll spend their money. Kids dont know the value of money, some will of course but the vast majority waste it. I dont know of one person who actually doesnt waste their EMA money.

Well its your lucky day as I didnt waste my EMA :) Finally met one guy eh?
And you cant tell me uni students don't value money rofl when you aren't even at Uni. You learn from experience. Yes they get drunk every week, but they realise the value of the money.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well its your lucky day as I didnt waste my EMA :) Finally met one guy eh?
And you cant tell me uni students don't value money rofl when you aren't even at Uni. You learn from experience. Yes they get drunk every week, but they realise the value of the money.

Good, its a sensible thing to do. On Uni students, if they are getting hammered everyweek and are skint then they are no good at money and thus do not value it - why would they anyway?; very little bills if none at all, no family to provide for and just going out getting hammered every week. Don't paint them into something they are not, they are no little angels.

[Catzsy]

I buy my own clothes and I can because I saved my money and didnt waste it. Uni students find it hard because they want the maximum amount to spend on drink, hence why they often buy cheaper food and so forth so they can get hammered on the weekend. Lets not pretend here; kids are kids - they want a good time and they'll spend their money. Kids dont know the value of money, some will of course but the vast majority waste it. I dont know of one person who actually doesnt waste their EMA money.

This is just an unbelievably ill-informed, subjective and uneducated comment not based on any evidence or fact at all. Your posts would be so much better if you were a bit more objective, actually based on pertinant facts and didn't keep repeating the same information time and time again. The reason that members don't have 'the last word' is because you wear them out with rhetoric and just keep repeating yourself so then you think you have 'won' the argument. You are obviously very intelligent so I just don't get it :S
I don't know who I am voting for yet as Gordon Brown is not impressive and It maybe a blessing in disguise to lose and then get a new leader. If anything I think I would like to see some sort of co-olition. It is not a good time for politics in this country with what the main parties have to offer.

[Tash.]

I'll be voting labour, I don't care what anyone says they are the only choice. I despise the Conservatives, the Lib Dems have zero chance and UKIP/BNP/others are all jokes.


Good, its a sensible thing to do. On Uni students, if they are getting hammered everyweek and are skint then they are no good at money and thus do not value it - why would they anyway?; very little bills if none at all, no family to provide for and just going out getting hammered every week. Don't paint them into something they are not, they are no little angels.

I'm not sure you are the right person to be commenting on uni students. If you aren't one/haven't been one you just don't know. I happen to know (because I researched it myself when I planned on going to uni) that although it seems that all uni students do is go out and get hammered, these are just the ones you know about. There are of course students who don't even drink, what do you propose they 'waste' their money on. I think it's quite appalling that at 16/17 or whatever age you may be you are judging people your own age about how they spend their money. It's really of no consequence to you. I didn't waste my EMA and a number of my friends who recieved it didn't either. It just so happens that if a person spends some of their EMA on clothes, well you sort of need them to be able to attend college. If you spend it on transport, well again you do need that to actually attend. You are a very judgemental person who likes nothing more than to batter people down with the same old things time and time again. It gives you the impression you've won the argument but in fact you haven't, you've just put the person off replying because you are judgemental and don't listen.

[-:Undertaker:-]

This is just an unbelievably ill-informed, subjective and uneducated comment not based on any evidence or fact at all. Your posts would be so much better if you were a bit more objective, actually based on pertinant facts and didn't keep repeating the same information time and time again. The reason that members don't have 'the last word' is because you wear them out with rhetoric and just keep repeating yourself so then you think you have 'won' the argument. You are obviously very intelligent so I just don't get it :S

I don't know who I am voting for yet as Gordon Brown is not impressive and It maybe a blessing in disguise to lose and then get a new leader. If anything I think I would like to see some sort of co-olition. It is not a good time for politics in this country with what the main parties have to offer.

Yes, i'll just look in my little 'Factbook on University Students and their relationship with drink' - come on now lets be sensible here, we all know younger people are mostly always skint and just because we have opposing political views doesnt mean you have to disagree with it. The fact people cant accept it when they know it to be true just because you/they dont agree with my politically shows how desperate people are to disagree. Kids drink, kids waste money because kids have no concept of the value of money. Its not a dig at them, its just common sense as shown by the amount of people who just waste EMA.

"It is not a good time for politics in this country with what the main parties have to offer." - totally agree as they are all the same, hence either dont vote for them or vote another party.


I'm not sure you are the right person to be commenting on uni students. If you aren't one/haven't been one you just don't know. I happen to know (because I researched it myself when I planned on going to uni) that although it seems that all uni students do is go out and get hammered, these are just the ones you know about. There are of course students who don't even drink, what do you propose they 'waste' their money on. I think it's quite appalling that at 16/17 or whatever age you may be you are judging people your own age about how they spend their money. It's really of no consequence to you. I didn't waste my EMA and a number of my friends who recieved it didn't either. It just so happens that if a person spends some of their EMA on clothes, well you sort of need them to be able to attend college. If you spend it on transport, well again you do need that to actually attend. You are a very judgemental person who likes nothing more than to batter people down with the same old things time and time again. It gives you the impression you've won the argument but in fact you haven't, you've just put the person off replying because you are judgemental and don't listen.I have said that there are kids who dont drink and who do not waste their money. Why is it when I say something you seem to think I am referring to everyone? - Judgemental because I disagree with you? - it is you who never listens (as shown by the fact you ignore the fact I never said it was all Uni students who watse money and would never say that) so maybe look at yourself before commenting on others.

[MrGazet]

I dnt vote...well maybe later lol

yer...I know its bad to not vote! :(

[Catzsy]

Yes, i'll just look in my little 'Factbook on University Students and their relationship with drink' - come on now lets be sensible here, we all know younger people are mostly always skint and just because we have opposing political views doesnt mean you have to disagree with it. The fact people cant accept it when they know it to be true just because you/they dont agree with my politically shows how desperate people are to disagree.

Kids drink, kids waste money because kids have no concept of the value of money. Its not a dig at them, its just common sense as shown by the amount of people who just waste EMA.

"It is not a good time for politics in this country with what the main parties have to offer." - totally agree as they are all the same, hence either dont vote for them or vote another party.

No I don't disagree with you just because we have opposing views I just prefer to back up my posts with valid evidence that gives some credence to it. Just because some of the media portrays students this way does not mean it is true for the vast majority of students. A statement like 'everyone knows' doesn't stand up to objective scrutiny at all. It is easy to do some research, surely :P =]

[Tash.]

I have said that there are kids who dont drink and who do not waste their money. Why is it when I say something you seem to think I am referring to everyone? - Judgemental because I disagree with you? - it is you who never listens (as shown by the fact you ignore the fact I never said it was all Uni students who watse money and would never say that) so maybe look at yourself before commenting on others.

I listen perfectly well. It is my opinion that you are judgemental of people, and yet again you have proven it. Yes you did state that there are exceptions, but the way you talk about it is as if all young people waste their money. Perhaps it's your style of writing that is inferring it, nevertheless you are. I aren't calling you judgemental because I disagree with you, I disagree with many peoples views on here yet I manage not to be angered by them when they post. That's because they do not cast wide ranging judgements on something they know relatively little about. You preach, and it's off putting because when you reply in a thread such as this one you know exactly what you are going to get, you writing something derogatory about Labour etc when really you don't know the full facts.

[LuketheDuke]

research for this guy means finding certain sites which agree with his opinion then spamming them on here contrary to much conflicting material elsewhere.

Im a uni student and know for an absolute fact students dont waste their money on booze, we budget for nights out but we also have heaps of other stuff to spend our loan on, for example societies, sports, books, train and coach fares home and then on food. Kinda insulted me when I read comments from people who make sweeping generalisations without the slightest form of evidence or experience for that matter.

And il be tactically voting LibDem in my constituency at home in an attempt to oust the loathsome tory David Heathcoat-Amory from his seat which he does nothing for!

[-:Undertaker:-]

No I don't disagree with you just because we have opposing views I just prefer to back up my posts with valid evidence that gives some credence to it. Just because some of the media portrays students this way does not mean it is true for the vast majority of students. A statement like 'everyone knows' doesn't stand up to objective scrutiny at all. It is easy to do some research, surely :P =]

Oh course it doesnt mean all students are like that, and I have never said once that all students are like that. A lot of students are like this, you see it in Liverpool for example where the students are out everynight having a good time in the clubs and bars. As I said, nothing wrong with that but to pretend most students are great at handling money is just absurd to say the very least.

Not really on the research, just using what I see and know which is the best type of research. If I quoted the Daily Mail it'd be biased against the government, if I quoted the Guardian it'd be biased towards the government and quoting a newspaper proves next to nothing anyway.


I listen perfectly well. It is my opinion that you are judgemental of people, and yet again you have proven it. Yes you did state that there are exceptions, but the way you talk about it is as if all young people waste their money. Perhaps it's your style of writing that is inferring it, nevertheless you are. I aren't calling you judgemental because I disagree with you, I disagree with many peoples views on here yet I manage not to be angered by them when they post. That's because they do not cast wide ranging judgements on something they know relatively little about. You preach, and it's off putting because when you reply in a thread such as this one you know exactly what you are going to get, you writing something derogatory about Labour etc when really you don't know the full facts.

Well i'm afraid that as above, I have never said all young people waste their money.

I don't get angered by posts lol, this is Habbo forum with a debate. I can put my point across without getting angry perfectely well, I might not include smilies all the time in my posts but that doesnt mean i'm sitting here with a red face furiously typing away. Again you say I dont know full facts but only because you disagree with me. I have always noticed the way when people run out of things to debate, they actually start attacking how the other person debates;- not debating the actual subject which you should be.


research for this guy means finding certain sites which agree with his opinion then spamming them on here contrary to much conflicting material elsewhere.

Im a uni student and know for an absolute fact students dont waste their money on booze, we budget for nights out but we also have heaps of other stuff to spend our loan on, for example societies, sports, books, train and coach fares home and then on food. Kinda insulted me when I read comments from people who make sweeping generalisations without the slightest form of evidence or experience for that matter.

And il be tactically voting LibDem in my constituency at home in an attempt to oust the loathsome tory David Heathcoat-Amory from his seat which he does nothing for!

I never really use sites to back my opinion up, otherwise it wouldnt be a debate if I kept quoting the Daily Mail, UKIP, the Bruges Group and so forth when i'm debating just like I wouldnt want a Labour supporter to quote the Guardian, Labour and so forth all the time when they are debating because thats not debating. Even when I do provide figures, people just ignore them and continue having a go at how I debate (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=628508&page=5). And you are not insulted, as I have said before its not all students;- some will be very good at handling money and good for them.

As shown by the thread I linked to, most of the debates go on and on because often people try and avoid any questions i've put across and thus the whole thing continues for pages and pages, to which they still havent replied anyway and instead turn it from a debate on the BNP/UKIP/Labour or whatever to how I debate - just as is happening right here now.

[MrPinkPanther]

Never said kids could vote mate.


Why keep going on "kids" in relation to politics then? I'd also like to point out that you are still at Sixth form and regarded by many if not most as a "kid" yourself.


but the fact of the matter is that kids cannot and do no value money - hence why they are all usually skint for spending it all on getting hammered (while at Uni especially).
Yeh, you see you didn't say "some kids" you said all and you call them "kids" despite the fact that they are all older than you.



What decaying old system?

Oh wait you mean;


Spend OUR money on OUR people.
Increase military funding for OUR military.
Leave corrupt, wasteful EU which our people dont want to be in.
Stay as the United Kingdom and not a province of Europe.
Lower taxes to people can spend their own money on themselves.
Smaller government so it wastes less.

No, I'm actually talking about proportional representation and votes at 16 to make Britain a real democracy. I'm not going to go into the EU because it will go off of the point but the EU benefits us economically.


Well it may be old but it bloody well worked and its what people want. You are very good at dishing out great Obama-like phrases like 'Change!!' or 'Down with the old system and in with the new!!' but what exactly are you proposing?
If you read my post properly I think you will find it is the conservatives who are saying "Year of change". I am not proposing anything however my party is proposing a number of things, perhaps you should take some time to read them before criticising me?



On Labours track record if you really believe their government figures that crime has fallen then you really have fell for them. Although maybe crime has 'offically' fallen but that is only because sentences have fallen and most people the police dont even bother to try and catch now because if they do, it'll only cost money and time and they'll be let off.
Not really. Do your research next time mate. Both police crime figures (Number of convictions) and the BCS (British Crime Survey, independent body) point towards decreasing crime. The BCS surveys vast numbers of people asking them if they have been victims of crime so this isn't convictions or anything at all.




Its great the way the left constantly blames all their problems on the Conservatives and Thatcher yet right now they are pretty much following her economic policy (just overspending and wasting it). I do love it though when Liberal Democrats and Labour voters moan about higher taxes when Labour and the Liberal Democrats have always supported and raised taxes to fund their absurd wasteful spending programmes (no doubt we'll see some on this forum from them when the Tories are in office) - and they say turkeys dont vote for Christmas!
Yeh except....ummm....well I haven't criticised Thatcher or the "old" Conservatives have I? I have also never once moaned about higher taxes...you are hearing only what you want to hear.

[Seatherny]

Good, its a sensible thing to do. On Uni students, if they are getting hammered everyweek and are skint then they are no good at money and thus do not value it - why would they anyway?; very little bills if none at all, no family to provide for and just going out getting hammered every week. Don't paint them into something they are not, they are no little angels.

Like I said, you havent been to uni, so you have zero clue. You are just making yourself look silly by carrying on posting. Heres a tip: stop posting.

NO BILLS? PMSL

I didn't realise Student Accommodation was free, as well as internet bills, phone bills etc. ITS COMMON SENSE.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Why keep going on "kids" in relation to politics then? I'd also like to point out that you are still at Sixth form and regarded by many if not most as a "kid" yourself.

Yeh, you see you didn't say "some kids" you said all and you call them "kids" despite the fact that they are all older than you.

I'm a kid, so whats your point?


No, I'm actually talking about proportional representation and votes at 16 to make Britain a real democracy. I'm not going to go into the EU because it will go off of the point but the EU benefits us economically.

I support the proportional representation part and I hope if theres a hung parliament that the Liberal Democrats force that through.


If you read my post properly I think you will find it is the conservatives who are saying "Year of change". I am not proposing anything however my party is proposing a number of things, perhaps you should take some time to read them before criticising me?

I have read Liberal Democrats policies, some of which I agree with but mostly disagree with. I used to support them myself.


Not really. Do your research next time mate. Both police crime figures (Number of convictions) and the BCS (British Crime Survey, independent body) point towards decreasing crime. The BCS surveys vast numbers of people asking them if they have been victims of crime so this isn't convictions or anything at all.

If thats the figures then maybe i'm wrong. Although is violent crime not on the rise?


Yeh except....ummm....well I haven't criticised Thatcher or the "old" Conservatives have I? I have also never once moaned about higher taxes...you are hearing only what you want to hear.

You haven't moaned no, and I never said you did. I made the point that if the Tories do raise taxes when they are in office, watch the Labour supporters on here complain about those nasty Tories taxing us to clean up the mess that Labour made.


Like I said, you havent been to uni, so you have zero clue. You are just making yourself look silly by carrying on posting. Heres a tip: stop posting.

NO BILLS? PMSL

I didn't realise Student Accommodation was free, as well as internet bills, phone bills etc. ITS COMMON SENSE.

No bills to the extent an adult has, and as for Uni of course I haven't been so I could be totally proved wrong couldn't I. I made the simple point though that kids (aka me a sixth former, college kids, Uni kids and sometimes older) have little concept of the value of money as proved from what I have seen around me with EMA.

By the way, still waiting for a reply to the BNP thread. :)

[Seatherny]

I'm a kid, so whats your point?



I support the proportional representation part and I hope if theres a hung parliament that the Liberal Democrats force that through.



I have read Liberal Democrats policies, some of which I agree with but mostly disagree with. I used to support them myself.



If thats the figures then maybe i'm wrong. Although is violent crime not on the rise?



You haven't moaned no, and I never said you did. I made the point that if the Tories do raise taxes when they are in office, watch the Labour supporters on here complain about those nasty Tories taxing us to clean up the mess that Labour made.



No bills to the extent an adult has, and as for Uni of course I haven't been so I could be totally proved wrong couldn't I. I made the simple point though that kids (aka me a sixth former, college kids, Uni kids and sometimes older) have little concept of the value of money as proved from what I have seen around me with EMA.

By the way, still waiting for a reply to the BNP thread. :)

I havent had time to read the BNP thread but I will reply by this weekend. And believe me, Uni students know the value of money.

[Ajthedragon]

I don't have the figures for child crime but overall crime is down drastically so I'm sure child crime couldn't have risen by much if it did rise. People believe crime is up because of the "Crime complex" and increased awareness of crime because of new mediums such as the Internet but I assure you it's down.


Again I don't have the exact figures so I can't really comment but surely binge drinking rates are hard to monitor?


Not true, someone has told you a porky. Firstly they could suspend him for longer than a day, secondly they could expel him although its the governors who make the decision. Are you sure he doesn't have some kind of mental issue? That would explain it.


Both UKIP and the Conservatives support the decaying old systems. The Conservatives say "Year for Change" but I can't find any real change in their policies can you?

Labour have totally lost their way but it really annoys me when people jump on the bandwagon and bash labour. They gave us the longest period of sustained economic growth, falling crime and greater social mobility. If anything you should be complaining about Top up fees and Iraq.

My family has always 'bashed' labour, we were always conservative, we're even members of a conservative club. I don't think Cameron is that good, but hey anythings better than Labour, even the tough immigration laws proposed by the BNP.

[Catzsy]

Oh course it doesnt mean all students are like that, and I have never said once that all students are like that. A lot of students are like this, you see it in Liverpool for example where the students are out everynight having a good time in the clubs and bars. As I said, nothing wrong with that but to pretend most students are great at handling money is just absurd to say the very least.
Not really on the research, just using what I see and know which is the best type of research. If I quoted the Daily Mail it'd be biased against the government

But there is nothing to support you argument here at all. Your views must have been got from somewhere?

I have to go but I have found a major survey from the US about student drinking habits which I cannot believe is too far away from students in the UK.

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/YouthIssues/1046435927.html

Myths grow and people just believe them - e.g. all young people who wear hoodies must be muggers and druggies? That's a widely held totally unsupported statement but many people say it.

[lazerman]

Im sorry, but all four of you have gone off topic, and you lot are basically taking over the thread,

Could you please please just stick to the topic title question lol :/

[Catzsy]

Im sorry, but all four of you have gone off topic, and you lot are basically taking over the thread,

Could you please please just stick to the topic title question lol :/


Im sorry, but all four of you have gone off topic, and you lot are basically taking over the thread,

Could you please please just stick to the topic title question lol :/

The off-topic rule was changed a long, long time ago:
Posting off topic will from now on be allowed, as long as a post has some relation to a previous post in the thread.
This means it is no longer necessary to stick to the subject of a thread, as long as the post has something to do with an earlier post in the thread.
It is still not allowed to reply to a thread with a post that is completely random, which means it has no relation at all to the subject of the thread or to any other posts in the thread.

But if you are concerned it it best to report the post rather than tell others in a post. Also one of the 'four' is actually the OP and the posts are not spam and there is nothing stopping anybody posting if they want to.


NO BILLS? PMSL

I didn't realise Student Accommodation was free, as well as internet bills, phone bills etc. ITS COMMON SENSE.

Agree with this. It is not easy to manage ands lots of students have part-time jobs to make ends meet.

My University has approximately 12,000 students from over 25 countries who contribute to the local economy which is very welcome here. There are those are don't take it seriously admittedly but I think there would be a huge problem if all of them spent their time drinking and doing no work as nobody would get any degrees and it would be a massive anti social problem.

[leah]

probably lib dems!

[Caution]

SNP or UKIP if I could, which is weird because they're totally different but ye.

[Neversoft]

I'll be voting for the UKIP.

[Madox]

BNP. Say no more.

I bet you know nothing about politics, just casue the wave a british flag around the streets and you support england thats why your probally voting for them, give a reasson for voteing dont just say "say no more" like you a ganster beacuse your not, you say you from london, go out on the street and shout you voting BNP watch how you get your head kicked in. and im voting labour, they have been in power for a long time, there not doing a bad job. besides the war in iraq and expensis scandals

[N!ck]

It is if its £10 a week and its a working class family. Like I said, do your parents buy your clothes etc for you? Because many kids parents don't ...

Anyway at uni, many people work and spend their own money, so they do realise how hard it is to get jobs and earn money. I know this because I bloody go to uni and I speak to people and they always say how hard it is. Many of them go out less to save money.

Majority of the students at uni:

have to buy their own food
have to pay for their own travel to and from ni
have to pay for their on travel to and from their home
have to have a bit of a social life

Thats just a tiny bit of it.

So no, not all of it is spent on just "alcohol and sweets etc". You never open up your mind and think ALCOHOL! THATS WHAT THEY ALL SPEND THEIR MONEY ON. "/

Which Uni are you at? I notice your location is Manchester you see ;).

And yea, I go out sparingly to try and save money. Undertaker you don't have a clue. There are people like you describe, but not very many. It's not like sixth form/college students with EMA ;).

Answering the OP, I swing towards the Tories by the way. They're all pretty useless though.

[AlexOC]

BNP

Because i feel sorry for that dodgy-eyed guy who went on that show and got flamed by everybody.

[Seatherny]

Yes, i'll just look in my little 'Factbook on University Students and their relationship with drink' - come on now lets be sensible here, we all know younger people are mostly always skint and just because we have opposing political views doesnt mean you have to disagree with it. The fact people cant accept it when they know it to be true just because you/they dont agree with my politically shows how desperate people are to disagree. Kids drink, kids waste money because kids have no concept of the value of money. Its not a dig at them, its just common sense as shown by the amount of people who just waste EMA.

"It is not a good time for politics in this country with what the main parties have to offer." - totally agree as they are all the same, hence either don't vote for them or vote another party.

I have said that there are kids who don't drink and who do not waste their money. Why is it when I say something you seem to think I am referring to everyone? - Judgmental because I disagree with you? - it is you who never listens (as shown by the fact you ignore the fact I never said it was all Uni students who waste money and would never say that) so maybe look at yourself before commenting on others.

Younger people are skint as they have part time jobs and most adults have full time jobs. Students get paid less than adults.

I agree with Tash, you are judgmental.


research for this guy means finding certain sites which agree with his opinion then spamming them on here contrary to much conflicting material elsewhere.

Im a uni student and know for an absolute fact students dont waste their money on booze, we budget for nights out but we also have heaps of other stuff to spend our loan on, for example societies, sports, books, train and coach fares home and then on food. Kinda insulted me when I read comments from people who make sweeping generalisations without the slightest form of evidence or experience for that matter.


I full on agree.


I'm a kid, so whats your point?

I support the proportional representation part and I hope if theres a hung parliament that the Liberal Democrats force that through.

I have read Liberal Democrats policies, some of which I agree with but mostly disagree with. I used to support them myself.

If thats the figures then maybe i'm wrong. Although is violent crime not on the rise?

You haven't moaned no, and I never said you did. I made the point that if the Tories do raise taxes when they are in office, watch the Labour supporters on here complain about those nasty Tories taxing us to clean up the mess that Labour made.

No bills to the extent an adult has, and as for Uni of course I haven't been so I could be totally proved wrong couldn't I. I made the simple point though that kids (aka me a sixth former, college kids, Uni kids and sometimes older) have little concept of the value of money as proved from what I have seen around me with EMA.

By the way, still waiting for a reply to the BNP thread. :)

No bills to the extent adult has? That again is common sense. Adults, like I have said, have full time jobs and more responsibilities. Students have part time jobs with Education as their main responsibility.

Again, why are students "skint", let me explain as you clearly fail to understand.

Students work part-time to get their money as many students parents don't give them money. When they work part time, its usually late nights as they have uni during the day. Obviously they cannot work every night for obvious reasons - but as you dont understand obvious, I will explain.
Students wake up, go to uni at 9am or whenever their first lecture/lab is. Uni days can finish as late as 8pm. They have many assignments, presentations, reports, essays to write. Due to this, they cannot work every night if they want to graduate. Therefore, most students work on weekends and some weekday's nights. This earns them not much money as they dont work for long and because students arent paid as much.

Out of this, they have to pay for this:


Books - LOTS of them. Minimum £35 each! Not cheap is it? Dont have it? Dont graduate. Simples.
Travel: Tram/Train/Bus - expensive in big cities. Can be up to £3.70 a day! e.g. York.
Food - To live. They need to eat to give them energy. Its not free.
Other uni things: laptop, pens, pencils, papers, printers and many other things. Again - expensive!
Nights out - can't expect them to live with other people and sit in their room 24/7. Their room mates will end up hating them. For this reason, finding a place to live in the 2nd year will be hard.
TV as most students have a shared one now
Internet - again, very expensive for uni students
Lets not forget accommodation - very expensive!
Clothes!
Did you know, joining societies at Student Union isn't free? How would you? You don't go to uni. You have zero clue about uni students. You just watch the news, see a few drunk students and think "oh no, all uni students are skint and waste all their money on alcohol. BLAME LABOUR. UKIP HERE I COME :D."


Thats just a small list of things. Try getting a part time job and paying for all of that yourself. :) Uni students are genius's for being able to cope.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I bet you know nothing about politics, just casue the wave a british flag around the streets and you support england thats why your probally voting for them, give a reasson for voteing dont just say "say no more" like you a ganster beacuse your not, you say you from london, go out on the street and shout you voting BNP watch how you get your head kicked in. and im voting labour, they have been in power for a long time, there not doing a bad job. besides the war in iraq and expensis scandals

Do you know why people vote BNP?

Because they are sick of the three main parties (mostly Labour) who continue to just ignore what the people of this country want. I dont agree with all the BNPs policies but I know for a fact that some policies of the BNP (such as lower taxation, spending our money here, increased military spending, the general jist of controlled immigration) are what people want. People do not want criminals and sponges coming here, people do not want 'gay' Africans coming here - all people ask for is a bit of control.

When you fail to respond to that, it turns people to the extremes. Either they turn totally against immigration (such as the BNP) and vote BNP or dont bother voting at all, because whats the point?


Which Uni are you at? I notice your location is Manchester you see ;).

And yea, I go out sparingly to try and save money. Undertaker you don't have a clue. There are people like you describe, but not very many. It's not like sixth form/college students with EMA ;).

Answering the OP, I swing towards the Tories by the way. They're all pretty useless though.

If its different in Uni then i'm wrong, just the impression I get - especially concerning Sixth Form students and College students.

[Inseriousity.]

Did you know, joining societies at Student Union isn't free?
aww really? :( That's a bit harsh, what's the justification? Running costs?

I agree that Undertaker does generalise quite a lot but I suppose that's because that's what society does all the time. It's natural to generalise with absolutely no evidence at all. for example, chav = bad tends to be the general label. so the labels of students waste money on drink is another generalisation that society constantly portrays!

As for voting, I'm not entirely sure. Is there a website where all their policies are all together so I can see, compare + contrast?

[Seatherny]

Do you know why people vote BNP?

Because they are sick of the three main parties (mostly Labour) who continue to just ignore what the people of this country want. I dont agree with all the BNPs policies but I know for a fact that some policies of the BNP (such as lower taxation, spending our money here, increased military spending, the general jist of controlled immigration) are what people want. People do not want criminals and sponges coming here, people do not want 'gay' Africans coming here - all people ask for is a bit of control.

When you fail to respond to that, it turns people to the extremes. Either they turn totally against immigration (such as the BNP) and vote BNP or dont bother voting at all, because whats the point?



If its different in Uni then i'm wrong, just the impression I get - especially concerning Sixth Form students and College students.

Please kindly reply to my post above.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Please kindly reply to my post above.

I would reply but then I thought why should I?; because I have already asked you eleven times to answer this question in this thread; http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=628508&page=5 - along with the fact you keep saying you'll answer it but still have not.

Anyway the same goes for your post anyway that I replied with in my last post; maybe I was wrong about the University students but as I have said before, some will be like that. Young people (as others have pointed out) under the Uni age who recieve EMA are those I am talking about mainly, so yeah I could be very well wrong on the Uni part as it wont be the vast majority of them although I still believe the vast majority of kids around my age and younger have no concept of the value of money.

[Seatherny]

Doesnt matter if they have no concept of money. They cant vote.

[Madox]

well the point im tryign to put across is that people like that kid who said "BNP - say no more" it's all down to illiteracy and arrogance, he hasnt been tought the concept and he dosent understand anything about politics this is where the BNP use proganda "BRITISH FLAG" to get most of the votes, the kid dosent know anything about the BNP, thats why he had no explianation if he also carried about plotics ulld think he would of replyed by now?, the BNP use proganda just like the nazis did but you could never comapre the BNP on the same scale as the nazis beacuse the nazis accyaully done something, the BNP are still sitting back and just throwing racial words, thats why when people compare BNP to the Nazi's i always say you cant.

[-:Undertaker:-]

well the point im tryign to put across is that people like that kid who said "BNP - say no more" it's all down to illiteracy and arrogance, he hasnt been tought the concept and he dosent understand anything about politics this is where the BNP use proganda "BRITISH FLAG" to get most of the votes, the kid dosent know anything about the BNP, thats why he had no explianation if he also carried about plotics ulld think he would of replyed by now?, the BNP use proganda just like the nazis did but you could never comapre the BNP on the same scale as the nazis beacuse the nazis accyaully done something, the BNP are still sitting back and just throwing racial words, thats why when people compare BNP to the Nazi's i always say you cant.

All political parties use propaganda, its part of politics. I dont think he mentioned anything about their use of a flag anyway, he just said "BNP - say no more" so he could be fully supportive of them for all we know and theres nothing wrong with that, both the Labour Party, Conservative Party and the British National Party all have what some would consider 'racist' elements in their policies. Labour and Conservatives over candidate selection and the BNP in membership (now abolished).

[Sammeth.]

Its the first time I can vote, and my vote will be going to Labour I beleive, unless something dramatic happens between now and May.

[Adamm]

You're all under the blanket of major parties. Vote RESPECT.

[Bun]

You're all under the blanket of major parties. Vote RESPECT.
peace, justice, equality. rad man, rad. :8

[Adamm]

peace, justice, equality. rad man, rad. :8
http://masonhellcat.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/hippy203.jpg

Damn straight.