Animals being killed

[Narnat,]

It might sound quite randome but why do people kill animals and why do animals kill each other ? Why do we kill each other ? Is it an instinct or is it just crulety or is it possibley just life ?

[Alkaz]

Nautral instinct, just the way things go unfortunately.

[Alex3213]

Like joe said, natural instinct and sometimes people kill them so we feel "great" and "powerful" when actually they aren't, or for instance poach for riches.

[AlexOC]

Animals kill each other either to eat each other for food, or to gain respect and power in animal groups such as a lion attacking the current 'king lion' and taking his place at the top of the hierarchy

[Pix]

Cycle of life, i call it.

[Smits]

Humans killing humans isnt instinct.

[Oleh]

Yes because its not normal, same as any other species killing their own, you just dont do it naturally

[crazed]

Humans killing animals is a weird one really. I think it's alright to kill certain animals if you have to, to survive. But killing animals such as house pets is just wrong... I guess animals killing animals is just life really? Everyone likes to be top..

[AlexOC]

What about Animals killing Humans?

[Aidenn]

It's the instinct to live

Prime example: If your STARVING havent ate for certain amount of days/weeks/months or even years (some animals can) You focus on your next meal its either kill and eat, or be a "Mouse" and die.

Also on the frontline, harsh but true, its a matter of pulling the trigger on somone... before they pull it on you.

[sammy]

Sadly its the circle of life for animals to kill eachother. ;[[

Humans are animals too - we may be different but we have an instinct because we evolved from monkeys, and our evolution goes back to bacteria etc. Humans have to survive too - so humans eat animals for food.

Sadly some cruel humans do kill animals just for pure cruel purposes - and no that most certainly isn't fair. And even if it is for food - the animals should die slowly & should suffer as least pain as possible! ;D

[AlexOC]

Sadly its the circle of life for animals to kill eachother. ;[[

Humans are animals too - we may be different but we have an instinct because we evolved from monkeys, and our evolution goes back to bacteria etc. Humans have to survive too - so humans eat animals for food.

Sadly some cruel humans do kill animals just for pure cruel purposes - and no that most certainly isn't fair. And even if it is for food - the animals should die slowly & should suffer as least pain as possible! ;D

should DIE SLOWLY?? :S

[FlyingJesus]

Humans killing humans isnt instinct.

It is when threatened or sufficiently hungry

[ihatehash]

this makes me think e.g. if someone kills a Pig and eats thats all good no one cares.
but If i go and kill my dog and eat him its suddenly cruel.
u'd think Cows and pigs would be higher in the hierachy because there bigger but a dogs life will always be viewed higher.

[AlexOC]

Dogs and cats can remember things and have emotionally responses to beatens or getting hurt, thats why they tend to be angry or scared of someone who have beat them. Poultry and meat such as pigs and horses only suffer the physical experience of pain, and do not feel sorry for themselves or hold it against the person who did it.

And also there isn't just people going out killing pigs, it's all done humanely (well depends the way you see it)

[Server]

You think dinosaurs would hesitate twice to kill us if they were still around? Animals that serve no purpose should be killed and if possible exterminated and made to go extinct, they simply waste space on earth.

[AlexOC]

You think dinosaurs would hesitate twice to kill us if they were still around? Animals that serve no purpose should be killed and if possible exterminated and made to go extinct, they simply waste space on earth.

I'm sorry but this is the most stupid, ill-thought post i have ever seen.

Animals are as important as man. Now cow no milk, no butter, no yoghurt. No chicken no eggs. No bees no honey. No other animals no meat, modern day man wouldn't survive on a veg / fruit diet.

Animals also have a use in farming in third-world countries such as carrying stuff and pulling plows, if the animals were gone there would be no farming for farms in the east.

The world simply wouldn't manage with the loss of all animals. Think before you post.

[sammy]

*SHOULD DIE QUICKLY LMFAOOO

Woops (A)

[Black_Apalachi]

Aside from the human v human aspect of the overall question; to live? :eusa_eh:

[FlyingJesus]

I'm sorry but this is the most stupid, ill-thought post i have ever seen.

Animals are as important as man. Now cow no milk, no butter, no yoghurt. No chicken no eggs. No bees no honey. No other animals no meat, modern day man wouldn't survive on a veg / fruit diet.

Animals also have a use in farming in third-world countries such as carrying stuff and pulling plows, if the animals were gone there would be no farming for farms in the east.

The world simply wouldn't manage with the loss of all animals. Think before you post.

He did say the ones that serve no purpose, of which there are plenty

[Black_Apalachi]

He did say the ones that serve no purpose, of which there are plenty

Are you serious? I have to agree with Alex that it was a shocking post, although even he was limiting his horizons to the direct benefit of mankind. Every species alive on this Earth plays its individual and vital role in the planet's ecosystem. If you extinguish one species, it can have detrimental effects on others. Carry that cycle on long enough in the right ways and it will soon enough affect the animals on whom we do depend on and thus affect us directly.

If anything, see it like this; all those "pointless" animals at least help to sustain a flicker of a sense of beauty that is left in this world as well as providing endless discovery and knowledge, along with the countless species which haven't even been discovered yet.

[RedStratocas]

Dogs and cats can remember things and have emotionally responses to beatens or getting hurt, thats why they tend to be angry or scared of someone who have beat them. Poultry and meat such as pigs and horses only suffer the physical experience of pain, and do not feel sorry for themselves or hold it against the person who did it.

And also there isn't just people going out killing pigs, it's all done humanely (well depends the way you see it)

i think youre giving far too much credit to dogs and cats. dogs and cats have the same range of emotions as animals we slaughter for meat. the only reason we see killing and eating dogs and cats as cruel is because we have an emotional connection with them, because we see them as our company, unlike pigs and cows. in countries where they don't keep dogs or cats as pets they don't see any difference between their meat and our so-called "traditional" meat.

[Gibs960]

Pretty simple answer, I used to wonder this and thats why I turned veggie, but animals have got to to survive, but I believe humans killing animals is just wrong, like we can live of other food like vegetables and fruit and other stuff.

[Black_Apalachi]

Pretty simple answer, I used to wonder this and thats why I turned veggie, but animals have got to to survive, but I believe humans killing animals is just wrong, like we can live of other food like vegetables and fruit and other stuff.

Unless you're vegan then even you are living off animals in one way or another.

[FlyingJesus]

Are you serious? I have to agree with Alex that it was a shocking post, although even he was limiting his horizons to the direct benefit of mankind. Every species alive on this Earth plays its individual and vital role in the planet's ecosystem. If you extinguish one species, it can have detrimental effects on others. Carry that cycle on long enough in the right ways and it will soon enough affect the animals on whom we do depend on and thus affect us directly.

If anything, see it like this; all those "pointless" animals at least help to sustain a flicker of a sense of beauty that is left in this world as well as providing endless discovery and knowledge, along with the countless species which haven't even been discovered yet.

Gotta love them tapeworms huh



i think youre giving far too much credit to dogs and cats. dogs and cats have the same range of emotions as animals we slaughter for meat. the only reason we see killing and eating dogs and cats as cruel is because we have an emotional connection with them, because we see them as our company, unlike pigs and cows. in countries where they don't keep dogs or cats as pets they don't see any difference between their meat and our so-called "traditional" meat.

Entirely true, see the film Babe if anyone doesn't believe it

[Anamations]

Cycle of life, i call it.


Yeah Defo , Instincted sometimes they kill if they feel threated in any way for food ect....

We Kill because of anything that makes us wanna kill another human being lol i dunnooooooo

[Black_Apalachi]

If you really want to blow your mind about why people kill animals, check this out; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8530723.stm

Just a word of warning: it's pretty nasty but creates the same question being asked in this thread; 'why?'

[The Don]

all animals besides humans and chimpanzees kill for food etc. Humans and chimps are the only creatures to kill for fun or for other means besides defense or for food.

[monkeytime]

You think dinosaurs would hesitate twice to kill us if they were still around? Animals that serve no purpose should be killed and if possible exterminated and made to go extinct, they simply waste space on earth.

It seems as if Humans do more damage to the Earth then dinosaurs ever did. And if they were around, yes they would kill us. Controversially, we would try to kill them.


they simply waste space on earth.Thing is, we have poured pollution into our skies and toppled down many forests.

[Black_Apalachi]

all animals besides humans and chimpanzees kill for food etc. Humans and chimps are the only creatures to kill for fun or for other means besides defense or for food.

I was going to question what you meant by saying humans and chimpanzees don't kill for food but I think you just worded the post poorly :P Although I've never heard of chimps killing for fun, could you elaborate? I've heard of troops fighting other troops to the death but you could regard this as defence. I don't think (death caused by) territorial conflicts are unique to chimps anyway. Also I wouldn't generalise humans as killers for sport. It's undoubtedly a minority of our race that kill for any reason other than food. Additionally, there are definitely other species who kill without necessarily being for food or defence. The domestic cat is a prime example, which will kill birds and rodents to play with, with no intention of eating them. Similarly, killer whales toy with their prey before eating them (and I'm not sure if there are cases of them not eating it - wouldn't be surprised if there were).

[AlexOC]

He did say the ones that serve no purpose, of which there are plenty

Ahh ok, in which case we should kill everybody in the world without a job.

[Black_Apalachi]

Ahh ok, in which case we should kill everybody in the world without a job.

That's a better idea tbh :L

[AlexOC]

That's a better idea tbh :L

and you >:)

haha jokez :)

[N-Dubz]

animals kill to survive, and humans just kill.

it's a life, and it's how it will always be sadly.

[The Don]

I was going to question what you meant by saying humans and chimpanzees don't kill for food but I think you just worded the post poorly :P Although I've never heard of chimps killing for fun, could you elaborate? I've heard of troops fighting other troops to the death but you could regard this as defence. I don't think (death caused by) territorial conflicts are unique to chimps anyway. Also I wouldn't generalise humans as killers for sport. It's undoubtedly a minority of our race that kill for any reason other than food. Additionally, there are definitely other species who kill without necessarily being for food or defence. The domestic cat is a prime example, which will kill birds and rodents to play with, with no intention of eating them. Similarly, killer whales toy with their prey before eating them (and I'm not sure if there are cases of them not eating it - wouldn't be surprised if there were).

Adult Common Chimpanzees, particularly males, can be very aggressive. They are highly territorial and are known to kill other chimps.Chimpanzees also engage in targeted hunting of lower order primates such as the red colobusand bush babies, and use the meat from these kills as a "social tool" within their community.
ok i guess chimps don't kill for "Fun" but they have been known to snatch baby chimps out of mothers hands and eat them and share the baby with the rest of the group.

Dolphins Kill For Fun!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3323070/Killer-dolphins-baffle-marine-experts.html
just found that lol so i guess dolphins kill for fun...

the dolphins use their incredible ultra sound abilties to home in on the vital organs of their victims that will cause most damage.

[Xoim]

Omg, I saw this really disturbing video of the illegal fur market, they skinned the poor dogs alive, and there was a shocking part where the dog is still moving and is nothing but muscle and it still had it eyelashes, it was soo terrible, they also break their necks by swinging them by the tail and hitting them on the ground several times.

[Wig44.]

You think dinosaurs would hesitate twice to kill us if they were still around? Animals that serve no purpose should be killed and if possible exterminated and made to go extinct, they simply waste space on earth.

What? Every living organism contributes to the sophisticated equilibrium that is nature.

[Tash.]

Xoim, that is truly disturbing. I'm not sure how anyone could actually do that to a living creature. Absolute monsters.

[Seatherny]

Omg, I saw this really disturbing video of the illegal fur market, they skinned the poor dogs alive, and there was a shocking part where the dog is still moving and is nothing but muscle and it still had it eyelashes, it was soo terrible, they also break their necks by swinging them by the tail and hitting them on the ground several times.

I hate dogs but thats just evil.

[Black_Apalachi]

Adult Common Chimpanzees, particularly males, can be very aggressive. They are highly territorial and are known to kill other chimps.Chimpanzees also engage in targeted hunting of lower order primates such as the red colobusand bush babies, and use the meat from these kills as a "social tool" within their community.
ok i guess chimps don't kill for "Fun" but they have been known to snatch baby chimps out of mothers hands and eat them and share the baby with the rest of the group.

Dolphins Kill For Fun!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3323070/Killer-dolphins-baffle-marine-experts.html
just found that lol so i guess dolphins kill for fun...

the dolphins use their incredible ultra sound abilties to home in on the vital organs of their victims that will cause most damage.

I wasn't disputing that lol

[Xoim]

I hate dogs but thats just evil.

I know ;[


Xoim, that is truly disturbing. I'm not sure how anyone could actually do that to a living creature. Absolute monsters.

Yeah I know, I was like omg :O
And they dogs were kept in such terrible conditions!

[poppypuppy1]

Its just nature for you!

[Richie]

I don't like thinking about it but it is a large chain. What I don't understand is how come animals can be "put to sleep" but humans can't...

[lTraditional]

I hate dogs but thats just evil.

How could you possibly hate dogs?? I have 2 dogs and they are completely harmless!

[Richie]

How could you possibly hate dogs?? I have 2 dogs and they are completely harmless!
You can never say an animal is harmless and you'll only ever agree if / when it happens to you. My dog was probably one of the most harmless dogs you'd see the one day he just randomly freaked out and start biting me / things. Yeah sure you can reply "thats just your dog" but realistically its not, it happens on the news everyday, its became so common now that I don't think they even bother making news reports on the incidents unless it happens to a child. I loved dogs until the day I seen mine turn mentally crazy and if any of you dogs turn crazy you'll understand.

[Black_Apalachi]

I don't like thinking about it but it is a large chain. What I don't understand is how come animals can be "put to sleep" but humans can't...

Do you mean literally or what? A human could physically be put to sleep but that would be euthanasia (assuming we're talking about a doctor doing it with just cause) which is illegal in this country.

In regards to dog attacks; I'm not questioning the treatment of your own dog, but I would bet that at least 99% of cases of those reports about "pit-bull type dogs" attacking children or anybody, is completely down to how they have been treated. Those types of dogs have only got a bad reputation because of irresponsible people who don't know the first thing about dogs not looking after them correctly. For one, I've noticed those types of people (I'll refrain from using the word 'chav') often seem to think it's OK to leave a dog alone in the back yard for very long amounts of time, even over night sometimes. Now let's see... a pack animal being isolated in a small space with next to no mental stimulation - then introduce a young child into the equation. If the dog was part of the family before the child, then you're asking for trouble unless you know what you're doing. As for attacks on babies; I wouldn't leave a baby alone with any animal - let alone a dog which can easily misinterpret playfulness as aggression or can simply be easily aggravated. Every movement or noise you make can send an unintended message to a dog which can be misinterpreted. This is why knowledge is essential to keeping any pet.

One fact of life which I'm pretty sure of, is that whenever there's a problem involving human and animal - the human is always at fault.

[Richie]

Do you mean literally or what? A human could physically be put to sleep but that would be euthanasia (assuming we're talking about a doctor doing it with just cause) which is illegal in this country.

In regards to dog attacks; I'm not questioning the treatment of your own dog, but I would bet that at least 99% of cases of those reports about "pit-bull type dogs" attacking children or anybody, is completely down to how they have been treated. Those types of dogs have only got a bad reputation because of irresponsible people who don't know the first thing about dogs not looking after them correctly. For one, I've noticed those types of people (I'll refrain from using the word 'chav') often seem to think it's OK to leave a dog alone in the back yard for very long amounts of time, even over night sometimes. Now let's see... a pack animal being isolated in a small space with next to no mental stimulation - then introduce a young child into the equation. If the dog was part of the family before the child, then you're asking for trouble unless you know what you're doing. As for attacks on babies; I wouldn't leave a baby alone with any animal - let alone a dog which can easily misinterpret playfulness as aggression or can simply be easily aggravated. Every movement or noise you make can send an unintended message to a dog which can be misinterpreted. This is why knowledge is essential to keeping any pet.

One fact of life which I'm pretty sure of, is that whenever there's a problem involving human and animal - the human is always at fault.

I disagree with you mate, dogs being neglected is a big part of it but there is a bigger minority than 1%. Its easy to say to someone 'them dogs are like that because of the owner' I would never hurt an animal, my dog just changed suddenly one day and I have seen my mates dog do it too and they treat there dogs well. So your either saying my friends and myself are that 1% or we neglect our animals, I don't think thats the case. Personally I don't think any animal can be trusted, I still love dogs till this day but I'd never trust them and I'd always be on guard. I know you didn't mean anything by it but you really do make me feel like I neglected my dog.

[Black_Apalachi]

I disagree with you mate, dogs being neglected is a big part of it but there is a bigger minority than 1%. Its easy to say to someone 'them dogs are like that because of the owner' I would never hurt an animal, my dog just changed suddenly one day and I have seen my mates dog do it too and they treat there dogs well. So your either saying my friends and myself are that 1% or we neglect our animals, I don't think thats the case. Personally I don't think any animal can be trusted, I still love dogs till this day but I'd never trust them and I'd always be on guard. I know you didn't mean anything by it but you really do make me feel like I neglected my dog.

I have no doubt in your handling of your pet so I guess I am suggesting that you're just part of the minority which can't be explained by human neglect. However there are many things that could affect a dog's mentality without you meaning it at all or even realising it. For example if something changed within the family or something about how it was looked after was altered. Basically there will have been some reason, even if it was extremely unapparent. But still, this is a minority we're talking about now. I still stand by what I say though about how the majority of cases derive from maltreatment.

[leah]

It's evolution, we do it for survival.

[HotelUser]

It's evolution, we do it for survival.

To an extent you're right, but things like the Canadian seal hunt aren't really required for a human's survival.

[Romanity]

Clothes make of fur is not needed for survival. Your point is already invalid.
Meat... yes, mostly... But for clothes, no :)


It's evolution, we do it for survival.

[ChickenFaces]

Animals die every day. I'm not saying that we should kill them all for their fur, but amimals get killed every day in the wild for food, are you saying we should stop animals killing other animals for food?

[Wig44.]

I'm sorry but I vehemently disagree with vegans/vegetarians who don't eat animal products becaust it's cruel. They choose to leave the moral decisions with the general population. When a cow gives birth, we milk it and the calf is then killed if there is no room for it at the dairy/surrounding farms. Vegans/Veges would happily leave the decision to kill them to us, because there is no room to support every calf that is born, even nature 'knows' this. Newborn animals are easy targets for a reason, not all of them survive in a natural environment or there would be over crowding.

[StripedTiger]

Hm My guess / opinion (whichever you want) is probably instinct. Some "one" or "thing" intended us to eat other animals by making us need to protein and such likes from which we can't just get from eating plants. However, killing each other - as in same species - I think that is some sort of mental instability or loss of control / ability to cope with a situation or emotions. But really, no one has the answers.