Opera 10.5 Beta

[The Professor]

Opera have released a new beta of their browser and omg it is fast, like almost chrome fast. They've also chromified the UI so the taskbar at the top is hidden away and the tabs are built into the title bar thing. Basically it catches up with chrome in terms of everything but still has mail and unite and all the cool stuffs opera has. But it seems kinda redundant while chrome is around :(

http://www.opera.com/browser/next/ is the download link
http://cnettv.cnet.com/opera-latest-beta-blazing/9742-1_53-50083731.html cnet video about it

[Smits]

Hmmmmm, i might give it a try.

Still loyal to firefox though.

[Jahova]

I will not return to Opera due to the Microsoft matter.

[Jamesy]

Been using it on and off since pre-alpha. It's very good - you tried the fully transparent skin yet Alex?

[StefanWolves]

I still use FireFox... even though I don't want to and would much rather use Chrome, just it doesn't have the add-ons that I need, which FireFox does...

I'll give it a whirl, but nothing will beat Chrome tbh.

[--liger--]

I have both Chrome and Safari. I like Safari graphics, especially for Windows 7. But I agree with Stefan nothing can really beat Chrome...

Plus, doesn't Opera have some things wrong with it when it comes to windows???

[StefanWolves]

Safari is always going to be sex-ier, but Chrome is just lightning...

[-Xiangu-]

I always use chrome. It's just so simple and I like the skins people make. Looks sexy. It's simple which is what I need tbh, don't do too much fiddly stuff on the net really, just browse, surf, youtube, videos. Chromes best for that imo.

[HotelUser]

I will not return to Opera due to the Microsoft matter.

In my opinion that is absolutely going over the top. Maybe you shouldn't use Windows at all for stealing the GUI and oop from Apple, maybe you shouldn't use Apple because their commercials lie? It's called business:S

[Jahova]

In my opinion that is absolutely going over the top. Maybe you shouldn't use Windows at all for stealing the GUI and oop from Apple, maybe you shouldn't use Apple because their commercials lie? It's called business:S
Plus I am fine with my current browser. There is no need to switch.

[Jamesy]

In my opinion that is absolutely going over the top. Maybe you shouldn't use Windows at all for stealing the GUI and oop from Apple, maybe you shouldn't use Apple because their commercials lie? It's called business:S

Everyone's free to use their browser of choice for their own reasons. I just think it's great there are now 3-4 really top notch browsers to choose from :)

[The Professor]

Everyone's free to use their browser of choice for their own reasons. I just think it's great there are now 3-4 really top notch browsers to choose from :)

Precisely, I don't agree with the ill informed reasoning either but if he doesn't want to use it I'm not going to force it down his throat.

What do you mean fully transparent skin jamsey? The one that's shown in that cnet video or is there another?

[HotelUser]

Plus I am fine with my current browser. There is no need to switch.


Everyone's free to use their browser of choice for their own reasons. I just think it's great there are now 3-4 really top notch browsers to choose from :)

I at no point hinted in my previous post that any browser is superior. I am saying that choosing one free browser over another for anything other than performance is stupid.

[GommeInc]

I at no point hinted in my previous post that any browser is superior. I am saying that choosing one free browser over another for anything other than performance is stupid.
In your opinion maybe, but some people have different preferences and reasons as to why they use a product, and if what Opera did towards Microsoft is a reason, then so be it for him :/

Besides, not everyone chooses a browser for performance -

Firefox - Add-ons
IE - Reliable and good for when all else goes wrong.
Chrome - Speed.

Alot of people choose Firefox for add-ons, which isn't down to performance. Add-ons are an additional feature while performance is rated on a general scale (the parts that come with it and everyone can use) ;)

Not forgetting customisation reasons... The list is quite long. Choosing a browser just for performance is quite a poor reason really, unless you're just using the basic browser :/

[HotelUser]

In your opinion maybe, but some people have different preferences and reasons as to why they use a product, and if what Opera did towards Microsoft is a reason, then so be it for him :/

Besides, not everyone chooses a browser for performance -

Firefox - Add-ons
IE - Reliable and good for when all else goes wrong.
Chrome - Speed.

Alot of people choose Firefox for add-ons, which isn't down to performance. Add-ons are an additional feature while performance is rated on a general scale (the parts that come with it and everyone can use) ;)

Not forgetting customisation reasons... The list is quite long. Choosing a browser just for performance is quite a poor reason really, unless you're just using the basic browser :/

actually I would class pluging as preformance. Youre thinking page rendering preformance, I meant application preformance.

and yes saying youre not going to use opera because they were unjust to microsoft is absurd because microsofthas done much worse and you use windows.

[Blob]

I use Opera Mini 5 beta 2 on my phone and it is brilliant, probably won't use Opera though, I find it hard to move away from Firefox

[xxMATTGxx]

actually I would class pluging as preformance. Youre thinking page rendering preformance, I meant application preformance.

and yes saying youre not going to use opera because they were unjust to microsoft is absurd because microsofthas done much worse and you use windows.

Like we have said, it's their reason and maybe MS have done worse in the past but they still like Microsoft for their continued good products such as Windows 7 and their other reasons. Since it is their preference on what operating system they use, right? Like he uses Windows and you use OSX. Just the same for browsers!

[Jamesy]

Precisely, I don't agree with the ill informed reasoning either but if he doesn't want to use it I'm not going to force it down his throat.

What do you mean fully transparent skin jamsey? The one that's shown in that cnet video or is there another?

Erm I've not watched the video but this one:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3663961/opera-trans.png

I must say I love the new way pop-up boxes slide and fade into view. It just seems that bit more slick compared to 10

[The Professor]

That makes me horny. How do I enable that?

[Jamesy]

That makes me horny. How do I enable that?

http://my.opera.com/community/customize/skins/info/?id=9281 :8

[The Professor]

I love you xxx

[HotelUser]

Like we have said, it's their reason and maybe MS have done worse in the past but they still like Microsoft for their continued good products such as Windows 7 and their other reasons. Since it is their preference on what operating system they use, right? Like he uses Windows and you use OSX. Just the same for browsers!

So you're in agreement with me that we should base software off quality, not company history:)

[The Professor]

So you're in agreement with me that we should base software off quality, not company history:)

Depends, if the Chinese government made the world's best browser I still wouldn't use it :D

[HotelUser]

Depends, if the Chinese government made the world's best browser I still wouldn't use it :D

I would if it was good.

[The Professor]

I would if it was good.

Even with it possibly containing spying software and other such evils?

[xxMATTGxx]

I would if it was good.


Even with it possibly containing spying software and other such evils?

I wouldn't considering what they have done in the past such as Google etc. So even if it was good, I wouldn't even take the risk!

[Aidobmac]

Chrome- is just lightning but needs more features
opera- never tried it but I will now with this beta
Firefox- Ahhhhh Such wonderful themes add ons and goodies :) I use it now
Safari- fun to use can't really say much as I have not used enough
Internet explorer-Ewwwwwwwwwwwww!!!! Nuff said

[Stephen!]

Tried the beta and I think i'm going to replace firefox with it for a while to see how it goes. Although, I must say in my own experience the pages don't load as fast as in firefox.

[Black_Apalachi]

I'll save it for when Chrome fails me, if it ever does. Haven't got any others left to fall back on.

[HotelUser]

I wouldn't considering what they have done in the past such as Google etc. So even if it was good, I wouldn't even take the risk!

It logging what the user is doing would be considered a flaw in the software, that's different. I'm saying I don't give a damn about the companies history. If they have the best product I'll use it. Isn't that obvious? I'm posting from an Microsoft operating system!

[The Professor]

It logging what the user is doing would be considered a flaw in the software, that's different. I'm saying I don't give a damn about the companies history. If they have the best product I'll use it. Isn't that obvious? I'm posting from an Microsoft operating system!

Nope its not a flaw in the software its exactly what it's designed to do. The scenario is you are unaware of any malicious code in the browser that might spy on you or eat you alive or whatever but you are aware than the chinese government have a history of jiggery pokery. Would you use the browser even if it was really good and had some killer feature that would make you want to buy it?

[Laurensh1]

IE - not stable enough, slow, to slow updates.
FF - The best, lovely add-ons, skins (personas) [w/ personas switcher this makes your browser looks different sexy every minute!]. Goodies, speed ok <3
Safari - Have used it, nah... Apple doesn't even bother making a good way to import bookmarks, etc, from other browser -> sucky.
Chrome - Lightning, I also use it for if Firefox doesn't work the page for me. Now with add-ons it's great but I would digg more themes cuz there's now just some and not everyone can create one.
Opera - Too weird. + what they did was unacceptable.

[HotelUser]

Nope its not a flaw in the software its exactly what it's designed to do. The scenario is you are unaware of any malicious code in the browser that might spy on you or eat you alive or whatever but you are aware than the chinese government have a history of jiggery pokery. Would you use the browser even if it was really good and had some killer feature that would make you want to buy it?

your example is invalid because that would actually give me a reason to not trust the company to a very big extent where as I might not be fond of what opera has done, but I can obviously still trust that they wont log everything Im doing. he says he wont use opera because they did something he found unfair. That has absolutely no reflection as too how good the product's going to be.

I'm posting this from android and its measurably laggy so please excuse any grammatical errors I assume I've made.

[Jamesy]

he says he wont use opera because they did something he found unfair. That has absolutely no reflection as too how good the product's going to be.

And that is a perfectly valid opinion on his own choice of browser. You're right, it doesn't reflect on how good the browser is - just his own reasons for not using it as alex and I have our reasons for using it.

Noticed a bug on text fields when scrolling though. Making vB skinning difficult :P

[The Professor]

Depends, if the Chinese government made the world's best browser I still wouldn't use it :D


I would if it was good.


your example is invalid because that would actually give me a reason to not trust the company to a very big extent where as I might not be fond of what opera has done, but I can obviously still trust that they wont log everything Im doing. he says he wont use opera because they did something he found unfair. That has absolutely no reflection as too how good the product's going to be.

You do have a reason not to trust the company unless you'd trust the chinese government not to be evil to you in which case yes my example would be invalid. But they do have a history of that and you said you'd use it if it was a good browser which is what I'm surprised about.

[GommeInc]

Moving back to the browser discussion :P

Has anyone noticed Windows Update is coming up with an "optional" update which has something to do with choosing which browser to install? It's under important updates, but isn't automatically set to download (you have to select it). Bit late, aren't they? Not that anyone cares, seeing as IE does a perfectly good job itself finding the browsers to download. It's half the fun of a new PC using IE to download all the important stuff :P

[HotelUser]

You do have a reason not to trust the company unless you'd trust the chinese government not to be evil to you in which case yes my example would be invalid. But they do have a history of that and you said you'd use it if it was a good browser which is what I'm surprised about.

You and I are now talking about two different things.

Me: If a product is good and you know it's good don't boycott it only because of the actions of the company which in no way relate to how the product preforms and how secure the product is.

You: If the company is shady and you don't trust using the companies product being intertwined to your personal information then don't use it. And I agree. I said the example was invalid in reference to my point because in the example the actions of the company reflect the productivity and security of the actual product.

[The Professor]

You and I are now talking about two different things.

Me: If a product is good and you know it's good don't boycott it only because of the actions of the company which in no way relate to how the product preforms and how secure the product is.

You: If the company is shady and you don't trust using the companies product being intertwined to your personal information then don't use it. And I agree. I said the example was invalid in reference to my point because in the example the actions of the company reflect the productivity and security of the actual product.

Ah you never made that distinction you just said the actions of the company wouldn't affect your decision ;) I agree then :D

Jamsey: nope I didn't see that :D I'm guessing it'll just be the browser ballot screen thing, why are they rolling that out as an update rather than slapping it on new install disks? IT MAKES NO SENSE :'(

[xxMATTGxx]

Moving back to the browser discussion :P

Has anyone noticed Windows Update is coming up with an "optional" update which has something to do with choosing which browser to install? It's under important updates, but isn't automatically set to download (you have to select it). Bit late, aren't they? Not that anyone cares, seeing as IE does a perfectly good job itself finding the browsers to download. It's half the fun of a new PC using IE to download all the important stuff :P

I believe they were allowed to sell Windows 7 at the time as it is then release some browser thing afterwards. Either way MS were doing tests on it from last Friday and it should be rolling out across Europe from March 1st. Opera should of just left it well alone.

[Jamesy]

The pace of development is extremely rapid! It's released for Windows: http://www.opera.com/browser/download/

[hah]

Erm I've not watched the video but this one:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3663961/opera-trans.png

I must say I love the new way pop-up boxes slide and fade into view. It just seems that bit more slick compared to 10

you obv had habbox in that blank speedial and deleted it before you took screenie lmao

i love opera and have been using it ever since prof-alex posted it last year lol


edit;

omg this thing is great

runs so quick :O

[The Professor]

Its now no longer in beta btw :) www.opera.com to download

[Suspective]

I am using both Chrome and Firefox atm.

[hah]

yeah i figured that lol when it didnt say beta when i downloaded :P

[Recursion]

I'm liking this browser :O (Opera)

[The Professor]

I'm liking this browser :O (Opera)

The beta crashed for me so I didn't use it much :P THe final seems much better though enjoying the speed bump and extra screen :)

[StefanWolves]

I'm using the Final at the moment, but I cannot important passwords from FireFox? :(

[The Professor]

don't think so :( that's what annoys me about moving browsers lol. I have my passwords on a txt file hidden away deep in the depths of my C drive anyway.

[GommeInc]

don't think so :( that's what annoys me about moving browsers lol. I have my passwords on a txt file hidden away deep in the depths of my C drive anyway.
Open up windows explorer > Go to search > Passwords > Done? :P

So this browser is quite good? I'll have a look on the media PC :)

[HotelUser]

I swear it let me download a OS X alpha before, now I'm getting this:
http://macmee.com/screenshots/Screen_shot_2010-03-05_at_5.01.43_PM-20100305-170149.png

[Jamesy]

I swear it let me download a OS X alpha before, now I'm getting this:
http://macmee.com/screenshots/Screen_shot_2010-03-05_at_5.01.43_PM-20100305-170149.png

You can find it at the bottom here: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/03/02/windows-10-50-is-released

[HotelUser]

You can find it at the bottom here: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/03/02/windows-10-50-is-released

Cheers :)