Do you care if your kids are gay?

[Jord]

I honestly wouldnt care lol, if thats what they wanna do fine by me

I wanna hear other peoples views

[wixard]

if it was a boy no.. unless they were like super gay

if it was a lesbian it'd be mad awkward

[Pix]

Let's hope it doesn't happen.

[Richie]

I would at first but i'd have to deal with it

[IceNineKills]

i would care, yes.

[FlyingJesus]

Girls no because idc if they're anything like the girls I grew up knowing they're gonna put everything in them anyway so doesn't really matter if it's a boy or girl helping them, if I had a son who turned out gay I'd be fine and prob just have some more that can continue my genetic legacy and maybe make sure the gay one always knows what a failure he is or something but only maybe it depends how well he dresses

[Hollyish]

i don't want no homo kid runnin my house wearing my undies ;L

lol just kidding wudnt mind rly only if i had at least one straight kid :(

[dirrty]

well i'm opting for more than one kid so if ones gay, there'll be another kid to get me grandkiddies. i don't want a "i'm here and i'm queer *kiss kiss*" kid though.

[Neversoft]

I'd probably care, yes. I'd like my children to carry on my name and I'd like to be a grandfather one day, but that wouldn't happen if my children were gay. I'd miss not being able to tell my son to 'get in there' and being skeptical of my daughters boyfriend too. I want to make the most of those oh so fartherly years.

[Anamations]

Well TBH,

I would hope for straight children as i would very much like grandchildren

But if they were born gay theres not alot you can do about it and id be supportive and whatnot , So in answer to your question No Idc i just care that my child ( children) are happy and w/e

[Anamations]

Girls no because idc if they're anything like the girls I grew up knowing they're gonna put everything in them anyway so doesn't really matter if it's a boy or girl helping them, if I had a son who turned out gay I'd be fine and prob just have some more that can continue my genetic legacy and maybe make sure the gay one always knows what a failure he is or something but only maybe it depends how well he dresses

Lool so your basically making your son feel bad for something they cant help that there born with and make him all his life feel like he should have been born that hes no good? in my opinion you should love your kid/s no matter what ! ESPECIALLY over something you have no say in

[HotelUser]

@those above, if they're gay that doesn't mean they can't necessarily adopt and raise children. I honestly can't answer the question because it's never happened to me (yet anyway). I'd probably be a heck of a lot more accepting than my parents, or grandparents would be. I was watching the movie Chuck and Larry and my dad told me to turn:P

[Nixt]

This is ironic because I watched the film Prayers for Bobby tonight and I sobbed my heart out. I'd recommend that everyone watch it; particularly if they have doubts about how they would react if their child decided they were gay.

[Anamations]

Sounds like my sorta' film lol was it good ?? emotinal i take it

[Nixt]

Sounds like my sorta' film lol was it good ?? emotinal i take it

Extremely. In summary it's about how society accepts homosexuals (in particular Christians). I cried on several bits throughout the film! Don't wanna give too much away but it was literally amazing.

[HotelUser]

I just watched the trailer and it looks extremely sad, so I don't think I'm going to watch it:P

[Nixt]

I just watched the trailer and it looks extremely sad, so I don't think I'm going to watch it:P

Watch it, it's amazing! Seriously :P

[Martin]

Just watched a trailer on youtube, and you're right- it's pretty moving. Think I'm gonna have to get that film. :(


In regards to the thread, no I wouldn't mind at all. People should be allowed to be what they want to be, and I think parents who go against, or are not comfortable their childrens wishes, beliefs and sexuality aren't really great parents.

[HotelUser]

Watch it, it's amazing! Seriously :P

If My dad killed me for Chuck and Larry imagine how screwed over I'd be for watching this. Maybe I'll just torrent it :P

[MrGazet]

OH wow,I haven't thought about this at all.

But well,I would care if my kids are gay seeing the society I'm in.They are so homophobic.I'm not a homophobic but I think I'd care if my kids turn gay.

Anyways,I hope that I have straight kids so I dnt have to deal with any of this situation.

[ihatehash]

yes i would care.
I will always care about my children.
I may be a bit like confused at first but i will always try and support my son with his decisions.

[Adamm]

I don't like gay as a 'sexuality' as there should only be one. We can't live if men are bumming men and women and doing women with plastic. We wouldn't be here if that was the case thus homosexuality is not natural and that's that.

If my son was gay, fair enough, but don't be gay in my face. That's all I ask of all gays.

[Rozi]

I don't really know seeing as the love you feel for a child of your own can't really be compared to anything else. I guess you don't really know what it's like until you're there. I don't think I'd mind and it's clear that if you have a gay child you still have a big chance of having grandchildren nowadays.

[Glitter]

I've already got a gay brother..... thats enough gays in the fam ty!

[Ardemax]

well i dont have kids atm but umm...

if i did, then i think i would, im christian and you can't really be gay and be a true christian. although i think id still respect them in their decision, but not support it

[leah]

ive never had a kid so i really don't know. im friends with some gays and I don't have problems with them but I might feel different if it was my own child? who knows

[-Xiangu-]

Wouldn't care at all.and would support them all the way because I've been through the gay/bi bullying so know what it's like. It's their decision and I'd stand by my kids any day.

[Gibs960]

If it was a boy or a girl, I'd love the all the same if they were gay. It's their choice.

[dbgtz]

Ye i'd be fine, kinda uncomfortable when they're with like BFs and that but that would be it. Ironic if a gay couple adopt a child who later turns out to be homphobic.

[BeanEgg]

I would care, it's not something I would enjoy seeing.. Just the though of it :S

[sammy]

Hm thats a hard question! At first i'd probably be shocked - but i'd support them because it's not like you can help being gay. I'd want the family to continue, but if it's your own child you should always support and love them no matter what they do/are. It's a hard question to answer unless you're in the position. I wouldn't want a really camp child, though.

[luce]

yeah lol i would i don't know why but i would just like them to be normal i guess well like normal in my eyes.

[Tash.]

I don't think i'd honestly care, as long as the child was happy then that would be fine with me.

[Hushie]

Nope.
Althought I don't think I'll be having kids...

[J0SH]

Yes, I actually want gran children and I aint having no princess prouncing around my house!

[cocaine]

at first id care but gradually id accept it.

[Oleh]

Yeah, he'll think im flirting if i keep hitting him all the time

On a serious note - Yes i would, I dont like bullying and he would get bullied alot for it, when hes older (20+) its fine as nobody gives a crap, but in school its an issue

If he's super awsome in goal whilst listening to "Beyonce - Single Ladies" Then sure im happy with that :P

[Grippz]

Girls no because idc if they're anything like the girls I grew up knowing they're gonna put everything in them anyway so doesn't really matter if it's a boy or girl helping them, if I had a son who turned out gay I'd be fine and prob just have some more that can continue my genetic legacy and maybe make sure the gay one always knows what a failure he is or something but only maybe it depends how well he dresses

Well if you was my parent I would want to hide my head in a bin bag. I wouldn't wanna be seen in public with you okay. And babe for the record, your kid wouldn't need you to show them that they're a failure. They would already know about it.. They had you as there dad right?

[Anamations]

Extremely. In summary it's about how society accepts homosexuals (in particular Christians). I cried on several bits throughout the film! Don't wanna give too much away but it was literally amazing.


:'( ok thanks for that i must watch when i cba

[DJ-Ains.T]

i wouldn't care at all, it's your kids choice, not yours. you can't control there full life.

you can always have 2 kids.

[Pyroka]

I don't think I'd care, but in the end I havent had a kid so I wouldnt know how it really is for parents.

Clowgon might... LOLOL.

[Anamations]

I don't like gay as a 'sexuality' as there should only be one. We can't live if men are bumming men and women and doing women with plastic. We wouldn't be here if that was the case thus homosexuality is not natural and that's that.

If my son was gay, fair enough, but don't be gay in my face. That's all I ask of all gays.


Im not even inthe slightist bit homophobic but I agree with they should only be one sexuality.

[FlyingJesus]

Lool so your basically making your son feel bad for something they cant help that there born with and make him all his life feel like he should have been born that hes no good? in my opinion you should love your kid/s no matter what ! ESPECIALLY over something you have no say in


Well if you was my parent I would want to hide my head in a bin bag. I wouldn't wanna be seen in public with you okay. And babe for the record, your kid wouldn't need you to show them that they're a failure. They would already know about it.. They had you as there dad right?

brb taking an obvious joke really seriously

jk I won't bother doing that, you two done it well enough without me

[HotelUser]

brb taking an obvious joke really seriously

jk I won't bother doing that, you two done it well enough without me

Yes, but jokes are supposed to be funny :)

[FlyingJesus]

I take that as a compliment to my wit considering your sense of humour (or lack thereof)

[HotelUser]

I take that as a compliment to my wit considering your sense of humour (or lack thereof)

I guess I'm the only one in this thread without a sense (http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=6327876&postcount=11) of humour (http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=6329229&postcount=38) :(

[Rixion]

If I had more than one kid it'd be cool because I want to eventually be a grandfather! :L

[FlyingJesus]

I guess I'm the only one in this thread without a sense (http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=6327876&postcount=11) of humour (http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=6329229&postcount=38) :(

Hey it's almost as though I didn't already point them out

[HotelUser]

If I had more than one kid it'd be cool because I want to eventually be a grandfather! :L

There's always adoption:P


Hey it's almost as though I didn't already point them out

Yes but you see, I didn't really care that you previously pointed it out, I had full intentions of addressing it anyway :)

[Nixt]

Shall we stop arguing ladies or I'll curse you all with gay children for eternity.

[MrGazet]

There's always adoption:P

Yer there's always adoption but I think it would feel different yer :(

[HotelUser]

Yer there's always adoption but I think it would feel different yer :(

Hmm, if you mean what I think you mean (that you'd like to see a little bit of yourself in your grandchildren) then I can see your point.

[FlyingJesus]

How can you have had intentions to address an issue that hadn't been raised until I pointed it out, and then claim that my doing so had no bearing on your decision to speak of it?

As for your point on adoption, I know that it's an option but it's not always one that people are willing to take, and personally for me I know it wouldn't be the right thing to do because I place a lot of importance on my legacy involving my own DNA. It may not be the most logical or up to date way of thinking but I'm sure I'm not alone in it.

[HotelUser]

As for your point on adoption, I know that it's an option but it's not always one that people are willing to take, and personally for me I know it wouldn't be the right thing to do because I place a lot of importance on my legacy involving my own DNA. It may not be the most logical or up to date way of thinking but I'm sure I'm not alone in it.

Yeah those reasons are valid. Read my last post where I point them out :)

[FlyingJesus]

But that isn't what I meant at all. I'm not trying to argue more here, just you have the wrong end of the stick. I'd personally not be as happy raising a child that I couldn't see as totally my own, nothing to do with what I see in them (although they'd undoubtedly be good to look at with my genes)

[HotelUser]

But that isn't what I meant at all. I'm not trying to argue more here, just you have the wrong end of the stick. I'd personally not be as happy raising a child that I couldn't see as totally my own, nothing to do with what I see in them (although they'd undoubtedly be good to look at with my genes)

Oh, then that's your preference. It's not my place to argue otherwise.

[Anamations]

@ flying jesus .OH IT WAS A JOKE, LOOOOLZAR O my no way your to funny?

What a great topic to crack a lame joke?

@ garion :o and i watched prayers for bobby omg so sad when he kills himself D: quite moving tbh Thanks for the recomendation

[Technologic]

No, I would beat my children and tell them only I am allowed to be gay

[J0SH]

Hmm, if you mean what I think you mean (that you'd like to see a little bit of yourself in your grandchildren) then I can see your point.

Everyone has their own opinion, so thank you very much fro the -rep!

Like it matters, it's only pixel rep points on a forum, haha. Can't believe you actually use the feature.

[Neversoft]

i watched prayers for bobby omg so sad when he kills himself

THANKS FOR THE SPOILERS

[Soy]

if my son was.. i'd be pretty pissed im not going to lie.

[Jamiie]

Well Tbf

i Would speak to them About it, And Make sure that if they are really Sure
And if they Are i would support them throughout whatever happened

[HotelUser]

Everyone has their own opinion, so thank you very much fro the -rep!

Like it matters, it's only pixel rep points on a forum, haha. Can't believe you actually use the feature.

There's a fine line between being entitled to and expressing an opinion, and being plain old rude (http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=6329153&postcount=35).

[Swastika]

id care yes, i'd be very dissapointed to have a son and he turn out gay.
id be disgusted if i had a daughter and she turned out lesbain.
just my views.

[Anamations]

THANKS FOR THE SPOILERS

Lol soz

[ifuseekamy]

Who on earth chooses to be gay? :S if my kid chose to be gay I'd wonder why. If they were gay naturally like most people are then I wouldn't really care though. End of the day it's the parents' fault seeing as they raised them.

[Stryderman]

Im not gonna lie i would be extremely against some things. I dont dislike gay people i know quite a few and have a few gay friends but i just couldnt deal with my kid coming round with their same sex partner having sex would just creep me out idk why just would.

And people are saying about they want kids to carry on your name i really would care about that cos who wouldnt want my second name ;(

[Lindsey]

If my children were homosexual or bisexual i wouldn't mind, because its there life and there choice, . Also I am strongly against homo phobics.

[Nuxty]

Wouldn't bother me as you need to be whatever you want in my view. I would however love Grandchildren, so hopefully I'd have more than one child!

[,Lexiilu]

I would honestly prefer a straight child because I would want the family to continue,
however if they were gay I would be fine with it. It is their choice and I want them to be happy :)

[Homosexual]

I want to adopt and no, I wouldn't care. I'm gay myself so it's fine by me :')

[NintendoFreak]

I don't like gay as a 'sexuality' as there should only be one. We can't live if men are bumming men and women and doing women with plastic. We wouldn't be here if that was the case thus homosexuality is not natural and that's that.

If my son was gay, fair enough, but don't be gay in my face. That's all I ask of all gays.

4% Of the world's population are gay/bisexual. I don't think where in any danger of dying out. If what scientists (and what I personally believe) is true, that you are born homosexual/hetero/bisexual, then human's have no input into how the human race evolves, therefore people shouldn't be negative about sexuality if it's scientific, people can't stop it, so why fight or slander something which physically can't be stopped? It makes no sense what so ever.

Also if it is scientific, to keep the human race alive there will allways bee the balance of gay / straight, so say you have 4 children, 2 are gay, the other 2 would carry on the human race, so there is no need to worry about the human race becoming extinct any time soon, homosexuality has been around since the dawn of time, so why worry now? theres actually more people in the world now than ever, so people from previous era's (BC?!?!?) they haven't died out, obviously because were here!

Don't get me wrong i respect your views, and opinion, but please dont try and word things in a scare factor way because, unless you live till your 4000000000 years old, I doubt you'll see the end of the human race.

THAT IS OF COURSE IF WE ALL DONT DIE ON DECEMBER 12TH 2012 :P lmao

[Sharon]

I'm not fussed really but having a Les is gonna take time to accept where as of I had a gay son I'd hope he's no Perez Hilton.

[Homosexual]

I don't like gay as a 'sexuality' as there should only be one. We can't live if men are bumming men and women and doing women with plastic. We wouldn't be here if that was the case thus homosexuality is not natural and that's that.

If my son was gay, fair enough, but don't be gay in my face. That's all I ask of all gays.

If everyone was straight, you'd prefer to live in an overcrowded dump where people don't know how to be themselves?

[Narnat,]

I really wouldnt care tbh. There isnt a law saying that you have to be straight .. so i no wouldnt, yes theres a bigger percentage that are striaght which makes lez, bi , gay stand out more but it doesnt mean it's wrong. It would be their life so who would i be if i was to say if they couldnt be lez , bi or gay. :eusa_danc

[FlyingJesus]

If everyone was straight, you'd prefer to live in an overcrowded dump where people don't know how to be themselves?

Are you suggesting that straight people don't know how to express themselves properly? If so that's not only a ridiculous view with no backing, but a highly offensive one

[gangstaagent1]

Yeah, he'll think im flirting if i keep hitting him all the time

On a serious note - Yes i would, I dont like bullying and he would get bullied alot for it, when hes older (20+) its fine as nobody gives a crap, but in school its an issue

If he's super awsome in goal whilst listening to "Beyonce - Single Ladies" Then sure im happy with that :P
But not everyone gets bullied. I'm not/never did get bullied.


Shall we stop arguing ladies or I'll curse you all with gay children for eternity.
That's abit rude...

But anyways, no i wouldn't care if my children are bi/gay because I am bi myself and I know how it feel, and there's nothing wrong with being bi/gay it's just another way of living like a different culture kinda :P

[Soka]

Yes i'd care

[Vintageme]

I wouldn't mind if it was a boy, but a girl... Ewwww.

[Homosexual]

Are you suggesting that straight people don't know how to express themselves properly? If so that's not only a ridiculous view with no backing, but a highly offensive one

No, I'm just suggested people would be 'forced' to be straight if it was illegal, and they wouldn't be able to be themselves if they were gay.

If I offended, sorry.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I suppose it'd depend really on this issue and theres not much you could do at the end of the day, but I don't agree with gay adoption.

[MrPinkPanther]

but I don't agree with gay adoption.

Why? Should Homosexuals not have the right to children and family life too? Statistics show that a child growing up in a stable home compared to a care home is less likely to commit a crime. Its better for both the Children and the Gay people, wheres the problem?

My opinion: If the child is old enough to understand homosexuality and is fine with it then why shouldn't he or she be adopted. After all gay people are just that, people. Theres nothing different about them.

[Homosexual]

but I don't agree with gay adoption.

Wow, why don't you agree?

Should people not be equal in society? Should homosexuals go without a family because they don't like the opposite sex?

[ChickenFaces]

I wouldn't care if my kid was gay. In fact I'd embrace it. I'm not a homophobe, some of my best friends are gay. I love gay people they rock! Lol.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Why? Should Homosexuals not have the right to children and family life too? Statistics show that a child growing up in a stable home compared to a care home is less likely to commit a crime. Its better for both the Children and the Gay people, wheres the problem?

My opinion: If the child is old enough to understand homosexuality and is fine with it then why shouldn't he or she be adopted. After all gay people are just that, people. Theres nothing different about them.


Wow, why don't you agree?

Should people not be equal in society? Should homosexuals go without a family because they don't like the opposite sex?

Because its not fair on the kid. No matter what you say, they will be bullied like it or not. I dont think its fair on the child and hence why I wouldnt adopt in the climate at the moment, if attitudes generally changed given a few decades then yes I would support it and adopt myself. But for now, I do not agree because it is putting yourself before the child, and a child and its welfare should always come first.

I do like the way i've been made out to be homophobic when its got nothing to do with the issue at hand, 'are homosexuals not equal' & 'homosexuals are people!!' etc etc - well i'm sorry but the fact of life is that two guys cannot have kids together and I haven't said or suggested once that gay people are inferior/less equal than somebody else. So to answer that part; no homosexuals are not less equal than anybody else but that doesnt provide an excuse for potentially harming the welfare of a child under the banner of equality.

[MrPinkPanther]

Because its not fair on the kid. No matter what you say, they will be bullied like it or not. I dont think its fair on the child and hence why I wouldnt adopt in the climate at the moment, if attitudes generally changed given a few decades then yes I would support it and adopt myself. But for now, I do not agree because it is putting yourself before the child, and a child and its welfare should always come first.

I do like the way i've been made out to be homophobic when its got nothing to do with the issue at hand, 'are homosexuals not equal' & 'homosexuals are people!!' etc etc - well i'm sorry but the fact of life is that two guys cannot have kids together and I haven't said or suggested once that gay people are inferior/less equal than somebody else. So to answer that part; no homosexuals are not less equal than anybody else but that doesnt provide an excuse for potentially harming the welfare of a child under the banner of equality.
So you think that a child would get bullied more for having a homosexual parent rather than living in care and not having one at all? You are wrong. My Mum is friends with two lesbians one of whom has a daughter from a previous heterosexual relationship, the daughter lives with them and she doesn't get bullied at all.

I totally agree with you, if it was detrimental to the child's welfare then it shouldn't be done but in the vast majority of cases it isn't. Children will get bullied more for being in care and not having "nice things" than having homosexual parents. You also need to remember that its up to the child's discretion whether he/she tells people abour her/his parents anyway.

[-:Undertaker:-]

So you think that a child would get bullied more for having a homosexual parent rather than living in care and not having one at all? You are wrong. My Mum is friends with two lesbians one of whom has a daughter from a previous heterosexual relationship, the daughter lives with them and she doesn't get bullied at all.

I totally agree with you, if it was detrimental to the child's welfare then it shouldn't be done but in the vast majority of cases it isn't. Children will get bullied more for being in care and not having "nice things" than having homosexual parents. You also need to remember that its up to the child's discretion whether he/she tells people abour her/his parents anyway.

I know a child would be bullied more for having two dads or two mums, because kids dont understand it at a young age and as they become older they either become fine with it (the majority) while the minority are still outright taking the piss out of it. Do the girls classmates know she has two mothers? - if so and she doesnt get bullied at all then i'm very, very suprised. As for living in care, I know their have been poor kids in my school and i've never heard anyone say anything about them. I know though that if somebody had gay parents then things would of been said to them. As for the child, exactly; and if people find out then the child could go through hell because of it.

Its too early for gay adoption, the welfare of children is one hundred times more important than any 'gay rights'. It is totally not fair to put a child through that or to risk that on the child. I think people need to stop thinking about 'me me me and my rights' and start thinking about the rights of the kids. We all know what the playground is like and how when people get older they'll say things behind eachothers backs so lets not pretend its all fine and dandy.

[Catzsy]

I know a child would be bullied more for having two dads or two mums, because kids dont understand it at a young age and as they become older they either become fine with it (the majority) while the minority are still outright taking the piss out of it. Do the girls classmates know she has two mothers? - if so and she doesnt get bullied at all then i'm very, very suprised. As for living in care, I know their have been poor kids in my school and i've never heard anyone say anything about them. I know though that if somebody had gay parents then things would of been said to them. As for the child, exactly; and if people find out then the child could go through hell because of it.

Its too early for gay adoption, the welfare of children is one hundred times more important than any 'gay rights'. It is totally not fair to put a child through that or to risk that on the child. I think people need to stop thinking about 'me me me and my rights' and start thinking about the rights of the kids. We all know what the playground is like and how when people get older they'll say things behind eachothers backs so lets not pretend its all fine and dandy.

You are seriously behind the times - gay adoption has been allowed for years.
Are you suggesting that gay couples adopt children as a 'token'? They adopt because like any other childless couples they want children. There is really nothing to suggest that their welfare suffers and if they get teased about this then it is no different to be teased about being fat, wearing glasses or any other ism you would like to mention. Adoption is a very serious matter and couples are vetted very closely to make sure they are suitable.

[Bun]

it would take me a long time to get over it.

[CrazyColaist]

being gay myself then no i wouldnt give 2.

[-:Undertaker:-]

You are seriously behind the times - gay adoption has been allowed for years.

Are you suggesting that gay couples adopt children as a 'token'? They adopt because like any other childless couples they want children. There is really nothing to suggest that their welfare suffers and if they get teased about this then it is no different to be teased about being fat, wearing glasses or any other ism you would like to mention. Adoption is a very serious matter and couples are vetted very closely to make sure they are suitable.

And your point is? - just because something doesnt fit in with your view or has been allowed for a few years does not mean 'I am behind with the times'.

On the issue of token, where have I said or even hinted that I think that? - the fact is that I have not. I have said very clearly that the rights of children should come before the banner of equality and thats how it should be. Kids get bullied for being fat yes, but in many cases with kids that isnt preventable whereas bullying over having two dads or two mums is preventable. I'm pretty sure aswell that a kid would get a hell of a lot more stick for having gay parents than being fat or wearing glasses because lets be honest here; having two dads or two mums isnt exactly ordinary and most kids wont even of heard of that before.

[HxLSarah]

Who Said Im hving Kids :O

[Bun]

Who Said Im hving Kids :O
who said you have an option? ;)

[buttons]

I don't like gay as a 'sexuality' as there should only be one. We can't live if men are bumming men and women and doing women with plastic. We wouldn't be here if that was the case thus homosexuality is not natural and that's that.

If my son was gay, fair enough, but don't be gay in my face. That's all I ask of all gays.
deffo
call me old fashioned but i have to agree the meaning of life is to have children, don't see gay people contributing to that

Wouldn't care at all.and would support them all the way because I've been through the gay/bi bullying so know what it's like. It's their decision and I'd stand by my kids any day.

If it was a boy or a girl, I'd love the all the same if they were gay. It's their choice.

i wouldn't care at all, it's your kids choice, not yours. you can't control there full life.

you can always have 2 kids.
no


If my children were homosexual or bisexual i wouldn't mind, because its there life and there choice, . Also I am strongly against homo phobics.
well i'm against homosexuality (not the people as they can't help it but just homosexuality) because imho it is wrong that they're not following what we're here for but because they act the victim it's led everyone to believe that the "homophobes" are the wrong ones whereas the homosexuals aren't when its actually neither...

No, I'm just suggested people would be 'forced' to be straight if it was illegal, and they wouldn't be able to be themselves if they were gay.

If I offended, sorry.
left-handed people were forced to write with their right hand as it was seen as wrong and even evil to be left handed, don't see any of them tryna take revenge or not being themselves ;l ;l argue that my point is irrelevant all you want you'll just be biased it's ok i understand x x

My opinion: If the child is old enough to understand homosexuality and is fine with it then why shouldn't he or she be adopted. After all gay people are just that, people. Theres nothing different about them.
if they aren't different then why do they act as though they are...

Because its not fair on the kid. No matter what you say, they will be bullied like it or not. I dont think its fair on the child and hence why I wouldnt adopt in the climate at the moment, if attitudes generally changed given a few decades then yes I would support it and adopt myself. But for now, I do not agree because it is putting yourself before the child, and a child and its welfare should always come first.

I do like the way i've been made out to be homophobic when its got nothing to do with the issue at hand, 'are homosexuals not equal' & 'homosexuals are people!!' etc etc - well i'm sorry but the fact of life is that two guys cannot have kids together and I haven't said or suggested once that gay people are inferior/less equal than somebody else. So to answer that part; no homosexuals are not less equal than anybody else but that doesnt provide an excuse for potentially harming the welfare of a child under the banner of equality.
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Children will get bullied more for being in care and not having "nice things" than having homosexual parents.
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it's what you have, not what you don't have. you have 2 dads, that's longer term than not having the nice new shoes everyone has:S obviously gonna get more bullied for the first...



if i have a gay child i will put he/she up for adoption for the gay people to have:):):):):)

[clueless]

screams at how many people have said 'i dont mind its their choice xD' in this thread, yeah a choice...


anyway i would probably be a bit like not upset not disappointed i cant find the word but i would feel my idea of my "ideal" family would have gone a bit but im sure id come round to the idea and accept them really quick for it

[HotelUser]

And your point is? - just because something doesnt fit in with your view or has been allowed for a few years does not mean 'I am behind with the times'.

On the issue of token, where have I said or even hinted that I think that? - the fact is that I have not. I have said very clearly that the rights of children should come before the banner of equality and thats how it should be. Kids get bullied for being fat yes, but in many cases with kids that isnt preventable whereas bullying over having two dads or two mums is preventable. I'm pretty sure aswell that a kid would get a hell of a lot more stick for having gay parents than being fat or wearing glasses because lets be honest here; having two dads or two mums isnt exactly ordinary and most kids wont even of heard of that before.

I can guarantee you that those kids would much rather be living in a home with two loving parents to take care for them, as opposed to being back in that orphanage without anyone they can associate with the word parents with.

There's a hell of a lot of reasons why kids get picked on anyways. Should we not allow kids with disabilities, scronney or obese children to be adopted?

Danny I can see what you're trying to justify, but depriving children from a loving and satisfactory family because the occasional moron is going to make a controversial shot about it is lame.

[Catzsy]

And your point is? - just because something doesnt fit in with your view or has been allowed for a few years does not mean 'I am behind with the times'.

On the issue of token, where have I said or even hinted that I think that? - the fact is that I have not. I have said very clearly that the rights of children should come before the banner of equality and thats how it should be. Kids get bullied for being fat yes, but in many cases with kids that isnt preventable whereas bullying over having two dads or two mums is preventable. I'm pretty sure aswell that a kid would get a hell of a lot more stick for having gay parents than being fat or wearing glasses because lets be honest here; having two dads or two mums isnt exactly ordinary and most kids wont even of heard of that before.

Sorry my view is that you are not in tune with the attitudes of children or teenagers today at all. That taboo went years ago and most are more enlightened than you seem to suggest. What is still taboo? Probably having a transexual mother or father.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I can guarantee you that those kids would much rather be living in a home with two loving parents to take care for them, as opposed to being back in that orphanage without anyone they can associate with the word parents with.

There's a hell of a lot of reasons why kids get picked on anyways. Should we not allow kids with disabilities, scronney or obese children to be adopted?

Danny I can see what you're trying to justify, but depriving children from a loving and satisfactory family because the occasional moron is going to make a controversial shot about it is lame.

Yes, but I do not feel that endangering the welfare and well-being of a child is correct. You can say they would have a loving family which in most cases they would and I accept that fully, but at the end of the day they are going to get stick over it no matter what occurs and I simply dont find that now is the right time to expose children to that. As I have said earlier on, maybe in a decade or few decades more but certainly not now.


Sorry my view is that you are not in tune with the attitudes of children or teenagers today at all. That taboo went years ago and most are more enlightened than you seem to suggest. What is still taboo? Probably having a transexual mother or father.

The attitudes of most teenagers is to agree with it yes, so infact I am very much in tune because I do not dispute that. What you dont seem to be able to accept is that they will get stick - now you can give as many other examples as you want about fat kids, poor kids, kids that smell, kids that pee themselves or whatever else you could produce to me but the fact remains, they would get stick if anyone found out about their two dads/two mums which in most cases with kids, they would at a very young age because kids cannot keep secrets.

[clueless]

but you say that not now but maybe in a few decades but the way you are going to get to where it is socially acceptable and bullying doesnt happen is if you let it happen and people become more familiar with it and its seen as "normal" the issue is never going to improve if you just keep saying no to it, the only way to progress is to accept it

[-:Undertaker:-]

but you say that not now but maybe in a few decades but the way you are going to get to where it is socially acceptable and bullying doesnt happen is if you let it happen and people become more familiar with it and its seen as "normal" the issue is never going to improve if you just keep saying no to it, the only way to progress is to accept it

Exposing kids to harms way to 'quicken' that social process is not acceptable.

[HotelUser]

Yes, but I do not feel that endangering the welfare and well-being of a child is correct. You can say they would have a loving family which in most cases they would and I accept that fully, but at the end of the day they are going to get stick over it no matter what occurs and I simply dont find that now is the right time to expose children to that. As I have said earlier on, maybe in a decade or few decades more but certainly not now.



It is to my opinion that having a good and loving family is more important over the "stick" the child would get for having two same gender parents. I would also say that yes, children in this situation would probably say there are some people who make the odd immature comment, but they would also probably say that this is a worth while price for having an actual home with actual parents as opposed to having a horrible childlife in an orphanage with 20 other kids and an hours worth of attention a week from a legal gardian




The attitudes of most teenagers is to agree with it yes, so infact I am very much in tune because I do not dispute that. What you dont seem to be able to accept is that they will get stick - now you can give as many other examples as you want about fat kids, poor kids, kids that smell, kids that pee themselves or whatever else you could produce to me but the fact remains, they would get stick if anyone found out about their two dads/two mums which in most cases with kids, they would at a very young age because kids cannot keep secrets.

I'm inclined to agree with Catzsy here, I do think the child would experience some extent of immaturity from others due to the living conditions of his or her parents, but I also think you're making this abuse out to be something much more significant than it actually would be.

[Catzsy]

Yes, but I do not feel that endangering the welfare and well-being of a child is correct. You can say they would have a loving family which in most cases they would and I accept that fully, but at the end of the day they are going to get stick over it no matter what occurs and I simply dont find that now is the right time to expose children to that. As I have said earlier on, maybe in a decade or few decades more but certainly not now.



The attitudes of most teenagers is to agree with it yes, so infact I am very much in tune because I do not dispute that. What you dont seem to be able to accept is that they will get stick - now you can give as many other examples as you want about fat kids, poor kids, kids that smell, kids that pee themselves or whatever else you could produce to me but the fact remains, they would get stick if anyone found out about their two dads/two mums which in most cases with kids, they would at a very young age because kids cannot keep secrets.

Yes I said they will get teased as much as any ism but not anymore or any less and this is not a reason to be against Gay Adoption.

[clueless]

So you would rather them live their lifes in a care home? It would surely be better to hear a few names in the playground which will go as you get older anyway and have loving parents who will look after you and help you through then having no one to go to and get bullied all the same? The only way progress would happen is it people start to deal with it and accept it and kids learn to accept it from the young age. With the right education for the bullies and a full stop on this bullying it would be much more worthwhile for the kid.

[-:Undertaker:-]

It is to my opinion that having a good and loving family is more important over the "stick" the child would get for having two same gender parents. I would also say that yes, children in this situation would probably say there are some people who make the odd immature comment, but they would also probably say that this is a worth while price for having an actual home with actual parents as opposed to having a horrible childlife in an orphanage with 20 other kids and an hours worth of attention a week from a legal gardian

I'm inclined to agree with Catzsy here, I do think the child would experience some extent of immaturity from others due to the living conditions of his or her parents, but I also think you're making this abuse out to be something much more significant than it actually would be.

Yes, but as we know its not as simple as that. A child is unable to understand why they are being bullied and the classmates of that child are unable to understand the concept of having two dads and two mums, not to mention as I said before; its out of the ordinary. I don't remember and have never heard of care homes in the United Kingdom being classed as 'horrible' anyway?


Yes I said they will get teased as much as any ism but not anymore or any less and this is not a reason to be against Gay Adoption.

Yes it is a reason to be against gay adoption, because as you yourself have pointed out in that very sentence; they will get stick and in my eyes thats just not acceptable and not fair on the child.


So you would rather them live their lifes in a care home? It would surely be better to hear a few names in the playground which will go as you get older anyway and have loving parents who will look after you and help you through then having no one to go to and get bullied all the same? The only way progress would happen is it people start to deal with it and accept it and kids learn to accept it from the young age. With the right education for the bullies and a full stop on this bullying it would be much more worthwhile for the kid.

No I would rather they have a loving home;- however if that means putting the welfare and well-being of the child at risk then I would rather them be in the carehome and would hope that they would eventually be adopted. The education point;- you cannot and should not tell children what to think, this process is one that will take time and will rely on social attitudes to change, not government educational programmes.

It is a matter of time, and now is not the time.

[clueless]

No I would rather they have a loving home;- however if that means putting the welfare and well-being of the child at risk then I would rather them be in the carehome and would hope that they would eventually be adopted. The education point;- you cannot and should not tell children what to think, this process is one that will take time and will rely on social attitudes to change, not government educational programmes.

It is a matter of time, and now is not the time.


I guess thats just a differ of opinions on the first point then. And educating a child isnt telling them what to think, when I was in primary school I didnt even know what a gay person was until god knows what year. It's not telling them to accept it or whatever but its making them more aware from a younger age so that they know it as the norm and it becomes socially acceptable. It's not about giving them some educational programme its just about raising awareness and clamping down on bullying from a younger age. And if now isn't the time when will ever be the time? The only way you can get it to become socially acceptable is by putting it into place, if we are going by your way and not allowing it for the sake of the kids then we will never make any progress.

[alexxxxx]

i know of a few (more than one) kids at my old school (not in my year) who's parents decided they'd turn gay and go with same sex partners and tbh i've never heard once that they've ever had any harassment from it.

if my parents weren't around, i would have prefered to have had a home to go home to with family rather than being in care

[HotelUser]

Yes, but as we know its not as simple as that. A child is unable to understand why they are being bullied and the classmates of that child are unable to understand the concept of having two dads and two mums, not to mention as I said before; its out of the ordinary. I don't remember and have never heard of care homes in the United Kingdom being classed as 'horrible' anyway?



I don't think the kids would understand why they have to grow up in an orphanage with no parents and no explanation either. Atleast with gay adoption controversy, the child would have a better and more loving role model(s) to talk to.

And it does not take rocket science to determine that growing up in an orphanage is not as luxurious as growing up with actual parents.



Yes it is a reason to be against gay adoption, because as you yourself have pointed out in that very sentence; they will get stick and in my eyes thats just not acceptable and not fair on the child.
And if a white man adopts a black child there is also going to be stick. Infact, there's going to be stick with any adoption. You cannot deny the fact that a child with two mothers or fathers is going to have a better upbringing than they would in an orphanage. You cannot baby these children because of the possibility that people will make fun of them. People will always make fun of other people over uncontrolled variables. If the parents were really that concerned they could always just find a suitable private school or homeschool the child anyway.





No I would rather they have a loving home;- however if that means putting the welfare and well-being of the child at risk then I would rather them be in the carehome and would hope that they would eventually be adopted. The education point;- you cannot and should not tell children what to think, this process is one that will take time and will rely on social attitudes to change, not government educational programmes.

It is a matter of time, and now is not the time.

could just be me, but I haven't exactly heard of many murders committed because of having gay parents:P

[FlyingJesus]

My best friend's mother is a lesbian, he's had very little abuse over it. Even his younger siblings didn't (as far as I'm aware) and children so often aren't even aware of such situations. In my wide experience on the giving end of bullying at school I can with some authority say that people get picked on for who they are, not their home life or parents - the exception being if you just make up some sort of rumour because it's funny at the time and it happens to stick, but there doesn't even need to be truth in those so it's hardly worth using as a real point.

[Catzsy]

Yes it is a reason to be against gay adoption, because as you yourself have pointed out in that very sentence; they will get stick and in my eyes thats just not acceptable and not fair on the child.


On that basis any child likely to be bullied should not be adopted by anybody which virtually would stop all adoptions.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I guess thats just a differ of opinions on the first point then. And educating a child isnt telling them what to think, when I was in primary school I didnt even know what a gay person was until god knows what year. It's not telling them to accept it or whatever but its making them more aware from a younger age so that they know it as the norm and it becomes socially acceptable. It's not about giving them some educational programme its just about raising awareness and clamping down on bullying from a younger age. And if now isn't the time when will ever be the time? The only way you can get it to become socially acceptable is by putting it into place, if we are going by your way and not allowing it for the sake of the kids then we will never make any progress.

It is not the norm though. No matter how many anti-bullying programmes the government introduces nothing will/would change. Bullying will be here forever, it just takes time for different social attitudes to change regarding different things.


I don't think the kids would understand why they have to grow up in an orphanage with no parents and no explanation either. Atleast with gay adoption controversy, the child would have a better and more loving role model(s) to talk to.I think they would understand pretty well to a degree, 'mummy and daddy went away' and so forth whereas the whole gay issue is a different bag of fish.


And it does not take rocket science to determine that growing up in an orphanage is not as luxurious as growing up with actual parents.
And if a white man adopts a black child there is also going to be stick. Infact, there's going to be stick with any adoption. You cannot deny the fact that a child with two mothers or fathers is going to have a better upbringing than they would in an orphanage. You cannot baby these children because of the possibility that people will make fun of them. People will always make fun of other people over uncontrolled variables. If the parents were really that concerned they could always just find a suitable private school or homeschool the child anyway.I haven't denied that they might have a better homelife and loving family by being adopted, i'm simply pointing out the fact that the kids would get grief from the whole thing. You say you cannot baby these kids and you are correct, however I dont think you have any right to put them in harms way either. The last part, its not as simple as that - some kids dont even tell anyone whats happening with them at school not to mention cramped schools/limited choice in areas.


could just be me, but I haven't exactly heard of many murders committed because of having gay parents:PI haven't either, so I have no idea where you got that from.


On that basis any child likely to be bullied should not be adopted by anybody which virtually would stop all adoptions.

The fact is that kids who have gay parents I would with confidence suggest that they are far more likely to be bullied than a kid who is fat or who is poor.

[alexxxxx]

It is not the norm though. No matter how many anti-bullying programmes the government introduces nothing will/would change. Bullying will be here forever, it just takes time for different social attitudes to change regarding different things.


I think they would understand pretty well to a degree, 'mummy and daddy went away' and so forth whereas the whole gay issue is a different bag of fish.

Yeah, but it's people like you that stop social attitudes from changing. How is a social attitude towards gay adoption going to change at all when there isn't any catalyst for it? or any reason for a change. you can't expect people to change their views on something that doesn't happen at all.

how is it any different? if kids can understand that people die, surely it isn't out of this world to think that kids can understand that men and men can be together and so can men and women. it's not like kids have any sort of knowledge of sex or any real grasp of relationships at any age under about 10 anyway. if kids are taught that it is normal, though not the most common, type of relationship, surely they'd begin to understand. kids as young as 5/6 understand about different races, i know on work experience where the kids were talking about how their "mummy and daddy lived in nepal/india/china" etc.

[HotelUser]

It is not the norm though. No matter how many anti-bullying programmes the government introduces nothing will/would change. Bullying will be here forever, it just takes time for different social attitudes to change regarding different things.


Yeah, and if we're not going to things that would otherwise be extraordinarily beneficial due to the chance of bullying, than it's no wonder nothing will ever change?



I think they would understand pretty well to a degree, 'mummy and daddy went away' and so forth whereas the whole gay issue is a different bag of fish.

They wouldn't have parents to talk to about it, they would be extraordinarily lonely, they wouldn't have as strong of an adult rolemodel, less motivational influence, less possessions, less opportunity due to financial limitations. Yeah, leaving them in that orphanage definitely seems more logical over actually resolving all of those issues and putting up with the occasional moron saying something cruel, which will probably happen anyway.



I haven't denied that they might have a better homelife and loving family by being adopted, i'm simply pointing out the fact that the kids would get grief from the whole thing. You say you cannot baby these kids and you are correct, however I dont think you have any right to put them in harms way either. The last part, its not as simple as that - some kids dont even tell anyone whats happening with them at school not to mention cramped schools/limited choice in areas.


But you're saying the bullying is more important than family and a much better upbringing and homelife. You know kids in school for 10 years, you know your parents your entire life. Once they're adults nobody is going to care about their parents anyway.



I haven't either, so I have no idea where you got that from.
Because you were, in my opinion, over-exaggerating how it's putting the welfare and wellbeing of the child at risk.





The fact is that kids who have gay parents I would with confidence suggest that they are far more likely to be bullied than a kid who is fat or who is poor.

But a kid who isn't very pretty or nice looking, or is homosexual him/herself would still be bullied, should we not adopt them?

[clueless]

It is not the norm though. No matter how many anti-bullying programmes the government introduces nothing will/would change. Bullying will be here forever, it just takes time for different social attitudes to change regarding different things.


But it can become socially acceptable? Yeah things will never be perfect but it will get to a point kids feel comfortable seeing another kid and their gay parents and they wont feel the need to cause a fuss. The only way it will get to this point is by accepting it ourselves and then it will rub off on younger generations. Time will not do anything unless peoples attitudes start changing and if you are against it now then why in 50 years are you going to be any more for it unless you have some midlife epiphany. I really don't see what there is to be against. The only argument I see is the kid getting bullied and the only way around that is to start that is by tackling with these bullies and accepting it ourselves. Which is what I've been saying.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yeah, but it's people like you that stop social attitudes from changing. How is a social attitude towards gay adoption going to change at all when there isn't any catalyst for it? or any reason for a change. you can't expect people to change their views on something that doesn't happen at all.

how is it any different? if kids can understand that people die, surely it isn't out of this world to think that kids can understand that men and men can be together and so can men and women. it's not like kids have any sort of knowledge of sex or any real grasp of relationships at any age under about 10 anyway. if kids are taught that it is normal, though not the most common, type of relationship, surely they'd begin to understand. kids as young as 5/6 understand about different races, i know on work experience where the kids were talking about how their "mummy and daddy lived in nepal/india/china" etc.

I'm not against gay adoption because its gay people adopting, i'm against it because I think the welfare of the child is potentially and very likely being harmed. Therefore its not people 'like me' who are stopping attitudes changing. Onto the second part;- kids will take notice from others rather than what one lesson in school says. I'm afraid its not a problem which can be solved overnight/in lessons as you can just look at sex education for that example which has failed dismally.


Yeah, and if we're not going to things that would otherwise be extraordinarily beneficial due to the chance of bullying, than it's no wonder nothing will ever change?

They wouldn't have parents to talk to about it, they would be extraordinarily lonely, they wouldn't have as strong of an adult rolemodel, less motivational influence, less possessions, less opportunity due to financial limitations. Yeah, leaving them in that orphanage definitely seems more logical over actually resolving all of those issues and putting up with the occasional moron saying something cruel, which will probably happen anyway.

But you're saying the bullying is more important than family and a much better upbringing and homelife. You know kids in school for 10 years, you know your parents your entire life. Once they're adults nobody is going to care about their parents anyway.

Because you were, in my opinion, over-exaggerating how it's putting the welfare and wellbeing of the child at risk.

But a kid who isn't very pretty or nice looking, or is homosexual him/herself would still be bullied, should we not adopt them?

The fact is that it wouldnt 'happen anyway' because they wouldnt have gay parents, so thus wouldnt be put into that situation. As for bullying, yes because thats a very serious issue as kids can be very very cruel to eachother. You have to weigh it up, and I think overall its not worth the risk to the child and their welfare.

You say you know kids for 10 years, well yes but the fact is 10 years is a long time to have to put up with constant stick from fellow pupils do you not agree? - on the kid themselves, no because you are not putting that child in harms way by adopting them, whereas you are if you are a gay couple/parent adopting a child. I wouldn't adopt at the moment, i'd like kids one day but if it isnt the right climate in my eyes then I would not do that to a child.

[FlyingJesus]

The fact is that kids who have gay parents I would with confidence suggest that they are far more likely to be bullied than a kid who is fat or who is poor.

No chance, did you not read what I put?

[clueless]

i dont see how you can be against gay adoption due to issues about children being bullied because of it when the only way around that is by them accepting it so its a bit hypocritical when you dont even accept it yourself.

[HotelUser]

The fact is that it wouldnt 'happen anyway' because they wouldnt have gay parents, so thus wouldnt be put into that situation. As for bullying, yes because thats a very serious issue as kids can be very very cruel to eachother. You have to weigh it up, and I think overall its not worth the risk to the child and their welfare.


I believe gay adoption would not obstruct the child's well being sufficiently enough to disallow gay adoption altogether.




You say you know kids for 10 years, well yes but the fact is 10 years is a long time to have to put up with constant stick from fellow pupils do you not agree? - on the kid themselves, no because you are not putting that child in harms way by adopting them, whereas you are if you are a gay couple/parent adopting a child. I wouldn't adopt at the moment, i'd like kids one day but if it isnt the right climate in my eyes then I would not do that to a child.

It's extremely safe to say that most people would willingly put up with that for the simple reason that they love their parents.

[Jordan:A]

I wouldnt mind aslong as I have a straight one aswell and they werent the sort of show off drama-queen gay

[jordan:j]

Well, really, its all personal opinion. I was raised in a straight family and had no conflicts with being gay/lesbian. I would rather my kid be straight. But thats just the way I have been raised. I have no problem with gays and lesbians though. We are all equal.

[LuketheDuke]

Im absolutely amazed by the amount of disgusting stigma on this forum towards homosexuality. I thought this generation was supposed to be conforming to practical ideas of what gay actually is and why it shouldnt be ridiculed my small minded bigots. "its not natural" - wow what a small minded, ignorant attitude

Of course id be taken aback if my son/daughter said they were gay, but Id rather they love someone than be cold and alone. At the same time id know that it was nothing to do with my parenting as sexuality is learned and equally discarded on an individual basis. I can't make my offspring be straight, and I can't make them be gay for that matter.

Id also ask the question if your brother/sister turned out gay how would you want you parents to react to it, and at the same time how would that effect your perception of them. If they alienated and disowned your sibling for their sexuality I'm sure some of the frankly stupid opinions on here would quickly change.

[United-Clowgon]

I don't think I'd care, but in the end I havent had a kid so I wouldnt know how it really is for parents.

Clowgon might... LOLOL.

oi cheeky. ;)

I wouldn't mind at all. It's my flesh and blood and i would accept any decsion they'd make. Though i would prefere my kids to be bi and not gay. :P

Keep the gen going on, as they say. :eusa_danc

[-:Undertaker:-]

No chance, did you not read what I put?

I did read what you said, i'd like to know if the pupils she knows know about it and whether or not she has actually had anything happen over it. If you could find out which way it is for sure then it'd be interesting to know.


I believe gay adoption would not obstruct the child's well being sufficiently enough to disallow gay adoption altogether.

It's extremely safe to say that most people would willingly put up with that for the simple reason that they love their parents.

Sorry you are making excuses there for it, willingly put up with it? - they shouldnt have to put up with it and it is not fair for a child to have to put up with it. Some kids can just let things bounce off them, others take everything very seriously and that can have a big effect on them - especially younger kids.


Im absolutely amazed by the amount of disgusting stigma on this forum towards homosexuality. I thought this generation was supposed to be conforming to practical ideas of what gay actually is and why it shouldnt be ridiculed my small minded bigots. "its not natural" - wow what a small minded, ignorant attitude

Of course id be taken aback if my son/daughter said they were gay, but Id rather they love someone than be cold and alone. At the same time id know that it was nothing to do with my parenting as sexuality is learned and equally discarded on an individual basis. I can't make my offspring be straight, and I can't make them be gay for that matter.

Id also ask the question if your brother/sister turned out gay how would you want you parents to react to it, and at the same time how would that effect your perception of them. If they alienated and disowned your sibling for their sexuality I'm sure some of the frankly stupid opinions on here would quickly change.

Thats the opinion some people hold and its entirely within their right to do so.

[camera]

idk how ill react until the time comes rly

[HotelUser]

I did read what you said, i'd like to know if the pupils she knows know about it and whether or not she has actually had anything happen over it. If you could find out which way it is for sure then it'd be interesting to know.



Well, I'm assuming you're making bigger of a deal out of this than it and the problem actually is, so perhaps this has something to do with why this girl hasn't experienced much trouble?




Sorry you are making excuses there for it, willingly put up with it? - they shouldnt have to put up with it and it is not fair for a child to have to put up with it. Some kids can just let things bounce off them, others take everything very seriously and that can have a big effect on them - especially younger kids.

Sometimes you put up with some things and do some things for the people you love? Child or not. As it is incredibly obvious that having a family provides benefits which far surpasses having to put up with immature and moronic remarks made by little kids, I do believe the logic in my preceding post is sound.




Thats the opinion some people hold and its entirely within their right to do so.

That depends. Are we entitled to express our honest opinion backed up with valid reasons: yes. That is our right to do so. Are we allowed to reply to this thread saying we don't want a fairy hanging around our house (I think that's what LuketheDuke was referring to someone posting, not entirely sure) then no. That's stupid and incredibly immature.

[Lindsey]

I wouldn't mind :D , haha its there choice. can't do anything about it.

[N-Dubz]

Although I'd prefer to have straight children, for the hope of blood grand children, it wouldn't really bother me. I mean, as long as they were open about it - I wouldn't want them to feel like they'd have to feel uncomfortable about their sexuality to the point of them having to hide it from me till they have their first relationship or something.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well, I'm assuming you're making bigger of a deal out of this than it and the problem actually is, so perhaps this has something to do with why this girl hasn't experienced much trouble?

Sometimes you put up with some things and do some things for the people you love? Child or not. As it is incredibly obvious that having a family provides benefits which far surpasses having to put up with immature and moronic remarks made by little kids, I do believe the logic in my preceding post is sound.

I'd like to know if thats the case because from being a kid myself and knowing what kids are like, especially when younger I pretty much think the kid would experience a lot of trouble over the issue of having two fathers or two mothers.


That depends. Are we entitled to express our honest opinion backed up with valid reasons: yes. That is our right to do so. Are we allowed to reply to this thread saying we don't want a fairy hanging around our house (I think that's what LuketheDuke was referring to someone posting, not entirely sure) then no. That's stupid and incredibly immature.

It doesnt matter, its somebody elses opinion and you need to accept that. If somebody just doesnt like gays and doesnt want their son to be gay and states that in this thread then you can challenge it; but to go calling it stupid, immature and thinking it shouldnt be allowed is totally wrong because thats somebody elses opinion and an opinion a lot of people hold hence why the whole coming out thing is such a big issue to gays. If you have a problem with somebodies opinion then challenge it properly but never call for it to not be allowed.

[NintendoFreak]

And your point is? - just because something doesnt fit in with your view or has been allowed for a few years does not mean 'I am behind with the times'.

On the issue of token, where have I said or even hinted that I think that? - the fact is that I have not. I have said very clearly that the rights of children should come before the banner of equality and thats how it should be. Kids get bullied for being fat yes, but in many cases with kids that isnt preventable whereas bullying over having two dads or two mums is preventable. I'm pretty sure aswell that a kid would get a hell of a lot more stick for having gay parents than being fat or wearing glasses because lets be honest here; having two dads or two mums isnt exactly ordinary and most kids wont even of heard of that before.

In all due respect people, and im talking from personal experience. My brothers dad split up from my mother in the very early nineties, and then came out as homosexual. My brother told a few friends at school when he was in year 7, of secondary school, and word got around. At first, people said the odd comment such as "Is it true your dad is gay?" but he never, ever, got bullied about it. Never. He got people asking awkward questions, yes, such as "does your dad kiss his boyfriend infront of you?" but he just told them straight. (no pun intended).
My brother had an excellent upbringing with his father and partner.

Saying that a child would be bullied about having 2 homosexual parent's is like saying a child will be bullied for being ginger. Bullying happens. Its a common fact that most people receive some degree of bullying in their childhood. I understand how you say that equality comes after the welfare of a child, but answer this.

Would a child prefer to be in a children's home, with no real stable family unit, losing friends (due to them being adopted). No deffinate address, no definate school, a very basic social life.

Or would a child prefer to live with a homosexual couple, and have a decent and happy lifestyle, and maybe put up with a few biggotry comments from people, just like any other person gets when bullied.

I have another example, and these are all the sworn truth.
My grandmother couldn't produce children after she had my mother, and so she adopted. She adopted my uncle Paul who is black. Pauls parent's abused him and his brother and so he was taken into care. Now this is in the 1970's very early like 1972. It was practically unheard of for a white family to have a black child, and it was considered taboo.
He never got bullied about having white adopted parent's or siblings which where of a different race to him. He loved my grandma and grandad's up bringing and still see's them to this day (except grandma R.I.P). Now the point im making is, I think my uncle would have prefered to be adopted into a white family, and maybe put up with a few racial slurs, then live in a childrens home, constantly moved around, no stable education or stable friends and have the memories of his previous abuse from his parents.

So basically, people are saying, the "parents" for an adopted child would be 2 straight people, a couple. Im sure the children out their who suffered abuse like my uncle, and have parent's that would rather get drunk than socialise with them, would not be too fussy who their parents where, they just want somebody to call "mum and mum" or "mum and dad" or even "dad and dad". Not some carehome worker.

Peoples opinions are all valid, however, think outside of the box. Would a child actually care if their adopted parent's where gay? So long as they had someone?.

Everyone get's bullied or taunted, it's just for different things. I've heard stories of obese children commiting suicide due to severe bullying. But acording to some narrow minded people here, bullying about 2 gay parents would be worse. No. It wouldn't. Bullies will bully people about anything, and will only take it as far as they want to take it. Somebody who is fat could be equally bullied as bad as a child with 2 gay parents. Its all down to the bully, not the victim.

[HotelUser]

I'd like to know if thats the case because from being a kid myself and knowing what kids are like, especially when younger I pretty much think the kid would experience a lot of trouble over the issue of having two fathers or two mothers.



It doesnt matter, its somebody elses opinion and you need to accept that. If somebody just doesnt like gays and doesnt want their son to be gay and states that in this thread then you can challenge it; but to go calling it stupid, immature and thinking it shouldnt be allowed is totally wrong because thats somebody elses opinion and an opinion a lot of people hold hence why the whole coming out thing is such a big issue to gays. If you have a problem with somebodies opinion then challenge it properly but never call for it to not be allowed.

I really wish you had read my post before responding. If people want to post saying they don't like gay people then I don't care. What I said in my last post was just not to go about it in a rude way.

[SirNick]

I see some posts saying that they'd like straight children just to get grandchildren, but gosh.. Do you live in the stone age?
I'm gay, and I have every intention of having children one day. In todays world there are lots of options for gay couples wanting children, so I wouldn't consider that an obstacle really.

As for the question if I'd be ok with gay children.. I guess it's kinda obvious that it really wouldn't be a problem at all, haha.

[NintendoFreak]

deffo
call me old fashioned but i have to agree the meaning of life is to have children, don't see gay people contributing to that



no


well i'm against homosexuality (not the people as they can't help it but just homosexuality) because imho it is wrong that they're not following what we're here for but because they act the victim it's led everyone to believe that the "homophobes" are the wrong ones whereas the homosexuals aren't when its actually neither...

left-handed people were forced to write with their right hand as it was seen as wrong and even evil to be left handed, don't see any of them tryna take revenge or not being themselves ;l ;l argue that my point is irrelevant all you want you'll just be biased it's ok i understand x x

if they aren't different then why do they act as though they are...

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it's what you have, not what you don't have. you have 2 dads, that's longer term than not having the nice new shoes everyone has:S obviously gonna get more bullied for the first...



if i have a gay child i will put he/she up for adoption for the gay people to have:):):):):)

a) It is their choice, once your child is out of the mother's womb, you can't control certain aspects of them, such as sexuality, height, weight etc. Because truth of the matter is, their a person just like you. So your saying then, that everyone must conform to your vision of people? Yeah I'm sure that would work in the world.. If a person is gay/bi/straight. there. is. nothing. you. can. do. about. it. I love how you highlighted everyone saying "It's their choice" and then you just put "No' as a reply, no evidence to back up your point? Or in fact no real reason why you even replied no :s?

b) Not all homosexual's act different. Get a *REMOVED* clue mate. A few of my friends are homosexual, and they gets girl's coming onto them all the time, why? Because they're exactly the same as a lot of lads - loves football, beer, sport wears jeans and shirts etc, exactly the same except they sleep with men. So please keep your generalist stereotypical view to yourself.

c) Homophobic's are wrong. Why should someone discriminate agaisnt somebody else because of something they can't control? It's like bullying somebody who's born in Ireland. Whats the point? They couldn't control where they were born, so why make a fuss of it? Same as homosexual/bisexual people can't control their sexuality, why make fun of something that can't be corrected? Isn't that kind of defeating the point?

d) So hold on a second? HELLO HUGE CONTRADICTION you have just posted a huge reply stating, that you disagree with homosexuality, and that you think a child would get bullied more for having gay parents, but then your saying you'd rather give your child if they were gay up for adoption and let gay people have them?. Once you have children, and grow up a bit, you'l know that a father-child mother-child bond is inseperable. You have children, and they are spawns of yourself, so you infact are part of them in another body, disowning a child, would be like cutting of your arm. You made them, they are you, they have your genes. So you'd throw a child away for being gay?. Get a grip of your life, and realise, that hold on a second..homosexuality has been around since the dawn of time, it's not new and its not wrong. It was here before you, and unfortunately sweetie, it's here to stay.

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[Tupoxi]

Perfect! I couldn't agree more! :)

[NintendoFreak]

Perfect! I couldn't agree more! :)

Thankyou haha :D x

[rnix]

If i had one kid then yes i would be.
But if i had two least ill get some grandchildren (Y)