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Misawa
26-02-2010, 10:00 PM
We saw it last week and have two very different reviews up:


Anne Wollenberg:
★★★1/2

Do we need another Alice in Wonderland film, you may ask. Lewis Carroll’s books have been adapted umpteen times before. But given the silly, surreal subject matter, Alice was a Tim Burton film waiting to happen. It’s only a shame he didn’t get there first. Because the good news is Burton’s Alice in Wonderland is neither an act of cultural vandalism (unlike Charlie and the Chocolate Factory), nor is it all vivid imagination and super set design with no actual brains or substance (ditto).


For anyone unfamiliar with Carroll’s books, Alice falls down a rabbit hole and has some surreal adventures. And … that’s it. Forget conflict and emotional drama, it’s all talking animals, nonsense and tea parties. So it’s a good move, then, that there’s a bit of back-story to bookend Burton’s Alice: a childhood history of strange dreams, an undesirable suitor. When Alice falls down the rabbit hole, she’s at a posh garden party being pressured into agreeing to marry a bumbling toff (picture a ginger Boris Johnson and you’re halfway there).


Just as Burton’s name is the one that springs to most minds if you mention The Nightmare Before Christmas or Coraline, regardless of the fact Henry Selick directed both, it’s unlikely anyone’s going to dwell on the fact Alice in Wonderland was written by Linda Woolverton, who co-wrote The Lion King. This is Burton through and through: a gothic fairytale with gloriously macabre sets and weird, wonderful characters, such as Rickman’s hookah-smoking caterpillar, Fry’s scene-stealing Cheshire Cat and Bonham Carter’s megalomaniac Red Queen. And of course, Depp’s Mad Hatter. You can see flashes of so many previous Burton-and-Depp collaborations in the wild, mad, tortured Hatter: Edward Scissorhands, Sweeney Todd. It’s very much his take on the idea of Alice – a reimagining, not an adaptation.


There’s a lot missing, too: no Mock Turtle, no Gryphon, no Lobster Quadrille, the White Rabbit never utters the phrase “I’m late!” and the White Queen doesn’t bang on about “Jam tomorrow and jam yesterday – but never jam today,” as she’s too busy simpering and being sickeningly good and nice (but not that nice, actually, you’ll discover). What you will find is a lot more emphasis on Jabberwocky, the nonsense poem which – and you may well have forgotten this – was originally found in Through the Looking-Glass.


For the most part, the film hangs together well. The extra touches that have been added to give it narrative structure – whisperings about whether this Alice is the right one, the emotional depths added to her friendship with the Mad Hatter – work well, although the one wrong move was turning Alice into a hero on a quest, wrong-footing the movie with talk of special swords and destiny. Burton’s Alice could have been deeper and darker, but it’s a tough balancing act to bring the sheer silliness and nonsense of the source material without losing too much authenticity. It’s not a masterpiece, but this is a solid slice of Burton.


Neil Davey:


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The Cheshire Cat. That's what scores the single star for this overblown, dull, badly animated, all too familiar bit of Burton ************. After ruining Charlie & The Chocolate Factory (Wonka has a beard and isn't a sub-Michael Jackson creepy paedophile, you big haired ****) and Sweeney Todd (lose the choral parts, lose the subtext - although that's probably just me being a little bit gay and knowing too much about show tunes), the endlessly smug Burton has turned his attention to this version of Alice in Wonderland. Only it's not an "adaptation". It's a "reimagining". Because Burton, who hasn't made a decent film since Ed Wood in 1994, is clearly so much better than Lewis Carroll whose endearing nonsensical tale has been a firm favourite for 145 years.

Yes, Tim, clearly you've got the more imaginative nature. We so love it when you use the same bleeding imagery and "quirky" fantasy creatures that you've been using your entire career. It's not boring at all, really it's not. And yes, of course you can explain how Carroll was wrong, and that it's Underland not Wonderland. And yes, what a brilliant idea to have it not be a dream but to suggest it's real and therefore completely undermine YOUR framing device AND the whole ******* point of the story. You complete arse. Tell you what, while you're busy destroying a children's classic, why not gloss it all up with the worst CGI for several years and thoroughly unconvincing 3D? That'll really make this a classic polished turd for our time, particularly if you draft in Johnny Depp to play the Mad Hatter and let him say "Fez!" a lot and talk in a variety of accents to prove that — yes! — he's Mad. And if you could finish the job by casting an Alice who's so wooden you could turn her into a very nice credenza, that would be ideal.



The irony? I'm not even a huge fan of the book. But that, and all the other Carroll stories that Burton, in his "wisdom", shoehorns in, look even more like classics in comparison to this astonishing, irredeemably awful film. Tim Burton? Hang the camera up over there, put the director's chair back in the cupboard and **** right off.

FlyingJesus
26-02-2010, 11:57 PM
I've obviously not seen it yet but don't imagine I will unless there's a large group of friends going on a night I happen to be free. The 2nd review there basically confirms all of my worst fears for the film, and the 1st appears merely a sycophantic faux-artiste's attempt to keep the odd and undeserved love of Tim Burton alive. How they can claim it's not "an act of cultural vandalism" when even from the trailers (and casting) it's clear that the emphasis is going to be on the Mad Hatter - who ought to be a minor character - simply to keep Depp in a job where he doesn't have to act any differently to any other Burton film he appears in, shows that I'm not really being over the top in my sentiments towards the former of the reviewers.

Truly, the only thing I can almost look forward to from this feature is a small hope that he's done well with The Jabberwocky, which has been orphaned in too many previous adaptations.

Black_Apalachi
26-02-2010, 11:59 PM
I think I like this Neil Davey! They are my exact impressions of this film and Tim Burton - and I have hardly even seen any of his films including this one for that matter :P Quite shocked to hear what was said about the White Rabbit in the first review however. 'I'm late' is all I really remember of the story!

Misawa
27-02-2010, 12:07 AM
Burton's made a lot of great films. But he truly hasn't since Ed Wood.

FlyingJesus
27-02-2010, 12:16 AM
As you said in the starting post "we" saw this last week, would you care to offer a short review of your own? You don't need to give anything away of course, it would just be interesting to have a first hand review from someone who isn't being paid to have the opinion here :P

Misawa
27-02-2010, 12:28 AM
I used that term collectively, sorry - they're my colleagues. I haven't seen it yet, nor are we paid to critique film and TV - yet - just get invited to screenings as the film press and get sent a billion DVDs/Blu-rays to review. That's payment good enough for me as something on teh side when I have a paying career anyway. I've been given around £1000 of DVDs and Blu-rays since I began working for that website in September.

To be perfectly honest, I do not want to see it! Sweeny Todd was the last straw.

FlyingJesus
27-02-2010, 12:34 AM
Fair play, and yeah I remember that one all too well, I went along because of the girl I was seeing at the time (things we do for them eh) and would have struggled to be more bored. Shame that Odeon and other cinemas gave in and are allowing this to screen now, I'd have loved to have seen it flop on a default

Misawa
27-02-2010, 12:40 AM
Given that friends had said it was very gory, I spent a fiver and got it. Turned out to be the worst fiver I had ever spent. Barely any gore in the first place, but the songs were sung so mind-numbingly awfully, I could barely stomach it. Burton seriously needs to stop using his missus, Depp and these ridiculous costumes. Oh, and not to mention make an ORIGINAL ******* film. He hasn't made an original film in years and years.

dirrty
27-02-2010, 12:46 AM
aw, i was so hoping that it'd be really good. but the latter review has squashed my hopes :'(

still gonna see it though, but with lower expectations. i'll probably still enjoy it n all.

LuketheDuke
27-02-2010, 01:51 AM
lets not remember we dont have to take this one critics view into total consideration.

especially since Burton divides opinion so readily.

Blinger1
27-02-2010, 01:58 AM
I thought this film looked good in the previews for Avatar. There was a lot of 3D and the main chick looked hot... ;)

kk.
27-02-2010, 01:58 AM
To be honest, the second reviewer sounds like he has a vendetta against all Burton films lol. It's like, he's gone in with a his mind made up. He compared it to his other works in the opening paragraph which is why I've just disregarded it. He shouldn't have brought in the inadequecies of his other films until the conclusion at least.

I probably won't see it, but it looks like a great adaptation based on the trailers and posters I've seen of it

Misawa
27-02-2010, 05:48 AM
In a nutshell, Neil is like me, someone who is sick and tired of the aesthetic Burton has used in all of his films of the past few years. Anne, on the other hand, is a fan of Burton's last few films and hasn't been bold over by this effort. Take from them what you will, but it looks to me like those who disliked his last few films will hate it, but those who do like them will either like it a lot, or begin to get tired of him.

Black_Apalachi
27-02-2010, 12:53 PM
Well I watched Jonathan Ross last night and both Depp and Burton happened to be on it together. They showed a clip of the movie and for some reason it gained my interest and I sort of want to see it now :P It's weird though how I understand the complaint about Tim Burton, because I really haven't seen much of his work. I saw some of Edward Scissorhands, oh and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory so maybe it's so bad that it comes through the trailers alone! Anyway, if I watch it it'll only be because Johnny Depp is a terrific actor although I really would like to see him broaden his horizons every once in a while.

xtabithax
04-03-2010, 06:59 PM
The odds. The advertisement showing up was something to do with Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland. :L

I thought it looked really good in the trailer.

RedStratocas
05-03-2010, 05:56 PM
tim burton has just become a parody of himself now. when i heard he was making an alice in wonderland movie, i could basically just imagine exactly what it was gonna look like in my head (i was right, btw).

i sympathize with the second reviewer, i have a distaste for tim burton as well but i feel like with good reason.

untrustus
05-03-2010, 07:06 PM
definitely going to check this out. i didn't think the charlie remake was too bad, although i wish he still made films like edward scissorhands/films with winona ryder in.

chantellehugs
05-03-2010, 08:31 PM
I agree with the bit in the second review about Willy Wonka in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory remake, there was something strange about his character, it wasn't happy and mad like in the previous film and book.
My favourite Tim Burton film is The Nightmare Before Christmas, but it's quite annoying how Johnny Depp seems to be his favourite actor to cast in his recent films.

Back on topic, I'll still be going to see the film, it takes alot to sway my opinion. And yes, the Mad Hatter seems to be almost like a main character judging from the trailers and cardboard standups/posters which have him in them. This is quite silly, because it seems like they announce first 'Starring Johnny Depp' and then the real main character.

Jemmwah
05-03-2010, 08:36 PM
awww i liked sweeny todd, but i hated the new charlie and the chocolate factory! But im really looking forward to alice in wonderland as it was my favourite disney film when i was a kid, and a really intresting book! I hope it isnt too bad!

main reason im looking forward to it is because my favourite band are on the soundtrack, pretty wierd reason i know! But i hope it does it more justice then the charlie and the choco factory did! :O

Misawa
06-03-2010, 02:11 AM
My favourite Tim Burton film is The Nightmare Before Christmas.

That is an unfortunately common misconception. Burton only produced that film, he didn't write or direct it.

wixard
06-03-2010, 12:08 PM
i saw this last night

OKAY. for those of you who hate johnny depp, he is bearable in this movie
i thought he was gonna twist it into the common character he uses in EVERY MOVIE
but he doesn't. just once, that one bit in the advert where he says 'naughty'

mia who plays alice, was... okay. she doesn't really have much to do except look dazed the majority of the time.
helena bonham was GREAAAAT, she was my favourite bit of the movie :)

errr yeah, movie itself was good. i know people are saying don't see it in 3D, but it does add a nice touch to it, though it kind of draws the colour out of it in some places

oh yeah and anne hathaway was just scary, i'm all for everyone in the movie being eccentric and crazy, but she was just meh

MJJ
06-03-2010, 03:15 PM
Since I'm a Johnny Depp fan, I went to see this today.

It looked very nice in 3D, but Mia just seemed to have a blank face throughout the movie. I have no idea how she ended up being cast as Alice.

I loved the way Helena went completely over the top - the Red Queen was probably my favourite character.

The dance at the end was a bit ridiculous, but I guess it was supposed to be like that.

Personally, I don't see the problem with Tim casting people like Johnny and Helena in his films over and over again. They clearly work very well together, and make some great movies.

kuzkasate
07-03-2010, 07:33 PM
Just saw this today. I actually enjoyed it. It was quite good. Alice seemed a bit dead though, but apart from that, it was all good. :)

untrustus
08-03-2010, 04:57 PM
just got back, not a bad film, but not a fantastic one. i did love all the british voices though. 7/10.

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