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Jordy
25-03-2010, 08:38 PM
If the General Election was being held at the moment, who would you vote for?
Just going to run this poll to see the difference when it comes to the actual General Election, probably on May 6th (I'll do another poll then like I did with the American Election). This will in no way indicate national opinion, but the opinion of HabboxForum users.
Note; The poll will close after 7 days :)
Hecktix
25-03-2010, 08:39 PM
in before poll, this will be interesting!
Catzsy
25-03-2010, 08:39 PM
There is no poll :D
Special
25-03-2010, 08:40 PM
My mum isn't voting this year purely because they can't answer a simple question they are given without making it harder than it sounds
& im 100% with her on that one!
Jordy
25-03-2010, 08:42 PM
Okay poll is up, give me a chance :P
My prediction is that Labour, UKIP and BNP will do better on here than they will in the national elections. The Conservatives will do okay and the Liberal Democrats will do badly.
Edit: Omg I love the new skins, if you look carefully at the poll, coincidentally, Labour is red, Conservatives are blue and Lib Dems are yellow. That's awesome :P
alexxxxx
25-03-2010, 08:52 PM
Okay poll is up, give me a chance :P
My prediction is that Labour, UKIP and BNP will do better on here than they will in the national elections. The Conservatives will do okay and the Liberal Democrats will do badly.
Edit: Omg I love the new skins, if you look carefully at the poll, coincidentally, Labour is red, Conservatives are blue and Lib Dems are yellow. That's awesome :P
i thought was on purpose
jrh2002
25-03-2010, 08:53 PM
Conservative all the way as they are the only ones who can get the current bunch of useless idiots out. All the benefit spongers, criminals, left wing politically correct and general wasters vote labour as they are a so soft and look after the poor unfortunate people who cant get a job (wont get one) or the poor criminals who have been brought up badly (crime pays). I think UKIP or the BNP could get a historic 3rd place in the general election due to that none of the main parties will even dare speak about the big issues that many of the UK citizens want discussed let alone have policies on them.
I will vote for the party that has the best chance of winning that promises to remove us from the EU in local and european elections.
Special
25-03-2010, 08:56 PM
Wait till undertaker see' this, be prepared! lol
Hitman
25-03-2010, 10:19 PM
United Kingdom Independence Party.
Catzsy
25-03-2010, 10:57 PM
Conservative all the way as they are the only ones who can get the current bunch of useless idiots out. All the benefit spongers, criminals, left wing politically correct and general wasters vote labour as they are a so soft and look after the poor unfortunate people who cant get a job (wont get one) or the poor criminals who have been brought up badly (crime pays). I think UKIP or the BNP could get a historic 3rd place in the general election due to that none of the main parties will even dare speak about the big issues that many of the UK citizens want discussed let alone have policies on them.
I will vote for the party that has the best chance of winning that promises to remove us from the EU in local and european elections.
Referring to the part in bold If one of them does I will donate £100 to Habbox. :P xx
I haven't made my mind up quite yet as I am disappointed in Gordon Brown but not attracted by any other party really. I will wait until the live election debates.
Alkaz
25-03-2010, 11:50 PM
Ive only ever known Labour so I kind of have brand loyalty to them but then I think is this all Gordon Browns fault, after all he was the Chancellor for 10 years or what ever it was before coming PM when he should have been sorting the UK's finances out. With that being said, I dont like David Cameron because he seems to act like he knows people prefer him to Gordon Brown and just seems a bit arrogant to me so I will stick to Labour I think :)
GommeInc
26-03-2010, 12:05 AM
I haven't made my mind up quite yet as I am disappointed in Gordon Brown but not attracted by any other party really. I will wait until the live election debates.
Same as Catzsy :) Gordon Brown, although a nice guy at heart (or tries to be), isn't the best politician in the world. But looking at the alternative, I'd rather have someone else (Cameron reminds me of an annoying Tony Blair). I might vote Lib Dem in the end :/
Ajthedragon
26-03-2010, 08:00 AM
Bring back Thatcher.
Conservative ftw.
Catzsy
26-03-2010, 10:27 AM
Bring back Thatcher.
Conservative ftw.
She was the original Lady Ga Ga! Not as in music - more in the mind. :D Lib Dems? Gomme? Might be a possibility. Rather have a hung parliament with them and Labour than any other alternative.
-:Undertaker:-
26-03-2010, 01:28 PM
Labour of course!
Anyway back to reality; UKIP and the BNP will make very little headway in the general election because of the unfair FPTP system and the fact that with this system comes the mindset of tactical voting. So what do I think will happen? - As most mainstream pollsters use only the three main parties its fairly biased. From what I have seen over the past few months on the traditional Conservative side; both on Daily Mail, Daily Express, Telegraph and Conservative Home;- the Conservatives will lose a number of votes to UKIP and the BNP which will turn into seats lost for the Conservatives (UKIP lost the Tories 30 seats in 2005 and that was when the Tories had a real Conservative incharge and a year when UKIP nearly split and broke and polled awfully). UKIP could win one or two seats at the most, Farage has a good chance in Buckinghamshire and Griffin in Barking but thats about it within the constraints of a FPTP electoral system.
The best outcome and the outcome that I am hoping for is that Labour and the Liberal Democrats win the election by a small majority thus creating a weak coalition government, due to the defeat Cameron resigns and the Conservatives replace him with an actual Conservative - someone like Thatcher, somebody who will sort this terrible mess out. It is possible and it is better having a weak Lib/Lab government which would collapse within months thus giving way to another election in which the Conservatives and their new leader would sweep the board. I would ask anyone considering voting Conservative in its present form to take a look at what the Conservatives are offering (which is more of the same) and take a look at what UKIP are offering which is real Conservative (thus Liberaterian) policies - Why vote in somebody because they are the less of two evils who has the chance of winning? - vote for who matches your opinions.
If you want more of the same then vote Lib/Lab/Con, if you are fed up of higher taxes, government waste, pitiful military spending, more EU control and muich more then look at the alternatives like UKIP, BNP, the Greens or somebody else - even at that, if you dont agree with any of them then do still make the effort; go down to your local polling station and spoil your vote to show how fed up you are.
Adamm
26-03-2010, 01:29 PM
UKIP.
However it will be a wasted vote because hardly anyone has the balls not to vote Labour or Conservative.
jrh2002
26-03-2010, 04:38 PM
Referring to the part in bold If one of them does I will donate £100 to Habbox. :P xx
I will hold you to that ;) The far right party in france just got a joint 3rd place in some elections there and that was far from predicted lol
Gordon Brown needs to go and I would worry with a labour and lib team as the libs want to spend more than these morons who have bankrupted us and although Cameron is smug its notihng compared to that sickly Clegg.
To be honest I am more than ready to go and sit in the sun while the country falls apart which would give me a laugh :o my loyalty has been kicked out of me by labour so be great to see it collapse with riots on the streets.
Catzsy
26-03-2010, 10:05 PM
I will hold you to that ;) The far right party in france just got a joint 3rd place in some elections there and that was far from predicted lol
Gordon Brown needs to go and I would worry with a labour and lib team as the libs want to spend more than these morons who have bankrupted us and although Cameron is smug its notihng compared to that sickly Clegg.
To be honest I am more than ready to go and sit in the sun while the country falls apart which would give me a laugh :o my loyalty has been kicked out of me by labour so be great to see it collapse with riots on the streets.
So you will donate £100 if they don't? :P xxx
Nuxty
26-03-2010, 10:38 PM
I believe that Labour could if they have the time, right leader and right cabinet could really sort out the country. From when I see Gordon Brown on the television and read articles about him I think to myself - this man wasn't ment to be PM, he was a chancellor who is sorting out another persons problems (i.e. Tony Blair) - I think they should be given the chance to put things right.
Jordy
26-03-2010, 11:10 PM
I believe that Labour could if they have the time, right leader and right cabinet could really sort out the country. From when I see Gordon Brown on the television and read articles about him I think to myself - this man wasn't ment to be PM, he was a chancellor who is sorting out another persons problems (i.e. Tony Blair) - I think they should be given the chance to put things right.13 years at the top of UK Politics and this guy needs more time? He could go on forever at this rate. It was always very clear that Gordon Brown was solely incharge of the economy, Tony Blair never strayed into economics. They both say this themselves, that the two kept out of each others business despite holding the two most important jobs in government, to avoid conflict. Tony Blair let Gordon do whatever the hell he wanted and Gordon didn't even tell Tony Blair what the budget consisted of.
Unlike today's government where Gordon Brown has got a firm grip on the economy, I get the impression Alistair Darling has very little say.
Frankly it just worries me that there's not a single person people like in the Labour cabinet. No one even tried to challenge Gordon Brown for party leadership, when there's been attempts to oust Brown, there's always been confusion on who to back (Hence why they have failed). I hate to say it, but the best Labour has is Lord Mandelson :P
As for a hung parliament, that also frightens me. I think it'd be worse than another 5 years of Gordon Brown, Labour/Lib Dem would be a useless government which got very little done due to all the in-fighting while the country collapses in the background, practically mirroring the 70s. While I know Dan and many UKIP supporters hope this happens, either so Proportional Representation is implemented by the Lib Dems or so that the Conservative party will get a new leader, I think the country will be devastated in the meantime, possibly beyond repair even for a Thatcher-like figure.
And btw the poll is useless and not very indicative at all :P - Tories started off with a decent lead, then UKIP got an enormous lead and now Labour has caught up so they're all neck and neck. I'm reassured the BNP hasn't any votes yet though.
flatface
26-03-2010, 11:31 PM
labour :)
Tash.
26-03-2010, 11:56 PM
I have voted and will be voting for labour.
Seatherny
27-03-2010, 12:04 AM
I have voted and will be voting for labour.
This woman has got brains!
UKIP 22.22%
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Browney
27-03-2010, 10:48 AM
Same as Catzsy :) Gordon Brown, although a nice guy at heart (or tries to be), isn't the best politician in the world. But looking at the alternative, I'd rather have someone else (Cameron reminds me of an annoying Tony Blair). I might vote Lib Dem in the end :/
I'm like this. I don't like Brown, but I like Labour! I wish they had someone in charge who was more charismatic and greater in speeches and debates. Kinda like Hitler, if you take away the evil. Cameron, you have to admit, seems a likable guy, but I don't see any numbers when he proposes actions. All face, no substance in my opinion.
jrh2002
27-03-2010, 04:59 PM
So you will donate £100 if they don't? :P xxx
Sooner put it on at the bookies that they would come 3rd and it must be good odds of 20/1 at least so thats 2k profit then I WILL donate £100 lol Cant go against something I hope happens :)
I must tell everybody that political parties are NOT FOOTBALL TEAMS and you dont stick with the same one for life :o You vote on the ones that do as they promise. You vote on policies that you agree with and not because your family vote for that party all the time. From looking at the poll there must be a lot of jokers here or people from families living a life of luxury on benefits and want another 5 years as poor persecuted people who cant help being unemployed.............
Browney
27-03-2010, 06:39 PM
Or maybe, I can't judge the Conservatives on any policies they have, because I don't know what policies they have. That is, assuming they have any.
jrh2002
27-03-2010, 07:54 PM
Or maybe, I can't judge the Conservatives on any policies they have, because I don't know what policies they have. That is, assuming they have any.
I think they do have them but are waiting until the election is called before making them public :o Labour have stole a number of the good policies from other parties in the past so think people are keeping their cards close to their chest. If this is not the case then Cameron needs kicking out asap.
GommeInc
27-03-2010, 08:25 PM
I like the poll colours, it's even got UKIP covered (UKIP use pink and yellow, I believe?) :P
I like the idea of a Labour government, but unfortunately Labour does not exist anymore - what we have is New Labour which has been quite a mess. The Conversatives are straying away from what Conversation is/was, and are taking on a new Labour position. Lib Dems seem to be keeping to their policies and ideologies.
Browney
27-03-2010, 09:05 PM
So Cameron is relying on people voting for the Conservatives because Cameron is a likable guy? The Conservatives will win for all the wrong reasons.
Inseriousity.
27-03-2010, 09:13 PM
I don't know who to vote for because all their policies are covered in spin that my untrained politicial eye can not see through (and I'd say it was the same for most people)... or maybe I'm just cynical :D
-:Undertaker:-
27-03-2010, 10:30 PM
Or maybe, I can't judge the Conservatives on any policies they have, because I don't know what policies they have. That is, assuming they have any.
They are the same as the ones the Labour Party stand for and have been pressing on us since 1997, so in a nutshell; more taxation, keep spending out of our means, more unelected EU control and more immigration.
MrPinkPanther
27-03-2010, 11:05 PM
Liberal Democrats for change.
Black_Apalachi
29-03-2010, 12:12 PM
I really don't know and listening to other people just makes it harder. All I know is Gordon Brown is a mug and I don't want Labour. From what I can tell, the BNP seem to think immigration is the only issue facing this country. I really don't have an opinion of the Conservative because the only thing I ever hear people complain about is the fact that they find Cameron annoying. Quite frankly, anyone who bases their vote solely on that disregarding the more important issues doesn't deserve the right to vote.
None of you will like it, but UKIP seems to make the most sense at the moment. Of course there are still a couple of parties I haven't read into yet; namely the Green Party so I need to do that in due course before I make a decision.
Romanity
29-03-2010, 12:25 PM
LOL And UKIP Are purple.. Is this more than coincidence? Lol
Aha yes, Lib Dem for me... Although personally, they all suck
Okay poll is up, give me a chance :P
My prediction is that Labour, UKIP and BNP will do better on here than they will in the national elections. The Conservatives will do okay and the Liberal Democrats will do badly.
Edit: Omg I love the new skins, if you look carefully at the poll, coincidentally, Labour is red, Conservatives are blue and Lib Dems are yellow. That's awesome :P
Wig44.
29-03-2010, 07:09 PM
Lib dems is a no no for me, we need nuclear warheads to survive, not necessarily to use them but just for the protection having them provides, and a party who not only want to stay in the EU but believe it is vital to survival... well.
MissAlice
30-03-2010, 09:02 PM
The Labour party failed us; they’ve had what 13 years in power, and look at the state of this country. I am undecided whether Conservatives or UKIP will get my vote, but I will make sure my vote counts.
Hitman
30-03-2010, 09:07 PM
The Labour party failed us; they’ve had what 13 years in power, and look at the state of this country. I am undecided whether Conservatives or UKIP will get my vote, but I will make sure my vote counts.
Please vote UKIP on my behalf if you are still undecided. Only a year until I can.
Caution
31-03-2010, 02:09 PM
UKIP .
-:Undertaker:-
31-03-2010, 08:48 PM
Interesting results, and it goes to show that if the Conservatives had a real leader and some real policies I would suspect the UKIP vote would go to the Conservatives giving them a massive majority (in this poll at least :P) of 20. If Labour win the next election they will not of won it, it will be Dave who lost it.
Catzsy
31-03-2010, 08:51 PM
Interesting results, and it goes to show that if the Conservatives had a real leader and some real policies I would suspect the UKIP vote would go to the Conservatives giving them a massive majority (in this poll at least :P) of 20. If Labour win the next election they will not of won it, it will be Dave who lost it.
I don't think Habbox Forum represents the real world of voting, Dan but you have your excuse ready just in case I see. :D
-:Undertaker:-
31-03-2010, 08:57 PM
I don't think Habbox Forum represents the real world of voting, Dan but you have your excuse ready just in case I see. :D
I never said it did Rosie, just pointing out that if the Conservatives had real Conservative policies then this poll here would most likely mirror 20 for the Conservatives as UKIP represents traditional Conservative policies from the 1980s. In 2005 the Conservatives (even with right-wing Michael Howard) lost an estimated 30 seats because of the UKIP vote (and bare in mind in 2005 UKIP nearly split and only polled 2.2% of the vote) and now UKIP is predicted for a 6% of the vote this time around which could very well pull the keys of number 10 away from Camerons hands, and the blame lies with him and not the electorate. The BNP on the other hand polled I believe it was 0.8% in 2005 and the Greens also something similar, this year they are both predicted 4% to 5%.
MrPinkPanther
31-03-2010, 09:32 PM
So please tell me why you are voting for UKIP if it represents 1980's Tory Policy. Both Thatcher and Majors time in office were dogged by high unemployment and an economy out of control with an increase in social injustice. I'm no New Labour fan but if you compare this to Labour they had over 10 years in office without any sort of Economic decline. I'd also like to add that the reason that Britain did so badly out of the global recession is because of Thatcher, her deregulation measures led to an increase in Toxic assets which the UK then had in abundance which is why we were hit so badly. You do NOT want traditional Conservative policy in the time of economic turmoil.
-:Undertaker:-
31-03-2010, 09:37 PM
So please tell me why you are voting for UKIP if it represents 1980's Tory Policy. Both Thatcher and Majors time in office were dogged by high unemployment and an economy out of control and social injustice increased. I'm no New Labour fan but if you compare this to Labour they had over 10 years in office without any sort of Economic decline.
Well its quite simple really, thatcherite economics and conservative policy.
What do you call social injustice? - I know what you mean, the gap between rich and poor growing which coincidentally has grown under this government anyway but here is your simple and short reply to it and its something you (the left) need to finally grasp (and the stupid question was raised by a Liberal Democrat, suprise suprise!); http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okHGCz6xxiw
MrPinkPanther
31-03-2010, 09:45 PM
Well its quite simple really, thatcherite economics and conservative policy.
What do you call social injustice? - I know what you mean, the gap between rich and poor growing which coincidentally has grown under this government anyway but here is your simple and short reply to it and its something you (the left) need to finally grasp (and the stupid question was raised by a Liberal Democrat, suprise suprise!); http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okHGCz6xxiw
Perhaps you should read my post? Year on year the economy grew for over 10 years under Labour, helping everyone. Of course Thatchers argument makes sense but it doesn't apply every time someone tries Economic redistribution, quite the opposite in fact. Under Labour everyone has become richer but especially those who were formally considered to be "poor" because of measures like Welfare to Work and Working families tax credit. (This isn't just speculation, an independent report last week showed this narrowing between Rich and Poor, I can't remember what it was called but it was reported in the Guardian)
Oh and it wasn't a stupid question at all. If there has been economic growth then the difference between rich and poor should either remain constant or it should close which it clearly didn't under the Conservatives.
Jordy
31-03-2010, 09:50 PM
Labour benefited from thatchers economic policies and continue to do so. What most people fail to see is that her economic policies have hardly been changed by either Majors, Blairs or Browns government, why is this? It's because they agree with her economic policies, and it's why the economy was doing so well during Labours government.
If Thatcher was such a bad person, I don't think she would of been elevated to the House of Lords, have a statue in the house of commons and might be having a state funeral. It's not just the Conservatives who like her, Labour and Liberal Democrats do too, it's just they're not too vocal about it seeing as they'd lose their core vote if they were to say anything nice about her.
MrPinkPanther
31-03-2010, 09:54 PM
Labour benefited from thatchers economic policies and continue to do so. What most people fail to see is that her economic policies have hardly been changed by either Majors, Blairs or Browns government, why is this? It's because they agree with her economic policies, and it's why the economy was doing so well during Labours government.
If Thatcher was such a bad person, I don't think she would of been elevated to the House of Lords, have a statue in the house of commons and might be having a state funeral. It's not just the Conservatives who like her, Labour and Liberal Democrats do too, it's just they're not too vocal about it seeing as they'd lose their core vote if they were to say anything nice about her.
They carried on her prudence but that doesn't mean they carried on her economic policies, it just means they got rid of "tax and spend" in line with becoming a more moderate party. The reason that Labour are considered to have done so well economically is because of lowering unemployment and pulling many families out of poverty through measures like Welfare to work and the Minimum wage (Which the Conservatives were against may I add).
People respect Thatcher but that doesn't mean they like her or her policies, there is a big difference. She led with a Prime Ministerial style and introduced policies with no regard for others. The reason she has been elevated to the Lords is because after leaving office she was no longer in Politics unlike Blair, she was the first female PM and she had managed to win 3 elections in a row, an amazing feat.
-:Undertaker:-
31-03-2010, 09:54 PM
Perhaps you should read my post? Year on year the economy grew for over 10 years under Labour, helping everyone. Of course Thatchers argument makes sense but it doesn't apply every time someone tries Economic redistribution, quite the opposite in fact. Under Labour everyone has become richer but especially those who were formally considered to be "poor" because of measures like Welfare to Work and Working families tax credit. (This isn't just speculation, an independent report last week showed this narrowing between Rich and Poor, I can't remember what it was called but it was reported in the Guardian)
The economy grew under Thatcher, infact even when the economy was beyond repairable (in the 70s) she gained office and managed to turn the United Kingdom into a financial centre which now generates most of the wealth for this country. I find it very strange how Labour (who created the mess in the 1970s) never undid any of the Thatcher reforms do you not also find that strange? - sure they managed it wrong and are now going down the route that they did in the 1970s but they never really repealed the Thatcher reforms and why? - because they work.
You would rather the poor be poorer provided the rich were less rich.
As an economy progresses the gap will grow, its just simple economics. What you and people like Simon Hughes prefer is called 'wealth redistribution' which in other words is state theft, you punish those who do well for themselves with tax after tax and sometimes you even take peoples business away from them because they bothered to do some good in life and built a better life for themselves, while at the same time creating jobs for others (normally the poorest).
What gives a government the right to tax success? - absolutely nothing is the answer.
Jordy
01-04-2010, 03:30 PM
Poll is auto-closed later this evening I believe, get your last votes in :D
jam666
03-04-2010, 11:11 PM
I really do find it ironic... Labours new advertising campaign is rather silly as the 1980's is when this country prospered and all because of Thatcher, id much rather go back to the 1980's then 1979 and the winter of discontent. The situation now is exactly the same as it was back then. We have a socialist government who cant stop spending and it will be up to the Conservatives to sort this country out and get it moving. "what mrs thatcher did to britain" labour say?, she let millions of people buy their council houses for start!. I am honestly amazed by the ignorence of labour.
People can vote for who they like but in all honesty its utterly pointless voting UKIP, GREEN or any of the smaller partys. UKIP MP's dont even take their seat in the house of commons, they are just one policy partys. However your possibly allowing Labour another 4/5 years in office by not voing Conservative as they are the only real opposition.
I have to laugh when labour announce new policies and especially at alistair darlings performance on TV the other day, come on you have had 13 years to implement your silly policys which no one will benefit from. Out with the old in the new. Vote for change, Vote Conservative!
jrh2002
03-04-2010, 11:34 PM
I really do find it ironic... Labours new advertising campaign is rather silly as the 1980's is when this country prospered and all because of Thatcher, id much rather go back to the 1980's then 1979 and the winter of discontent. The situation now is exactly the same as it was back then. We have a socialist government who cant stop spending and it will be up to the Conservatives to sort this country out and get it moving. "what mrs thatcher did to britain" labour say?, she let millions of people buy their council houses for start!. I am honestly amazed by the ignorence of labour.
People can vote for who they like but in all honesty its utterly pointless voting UKIP, GREEN or any of the smaller partys. UKIP MP's dont even take their seat in the house of commons, they are just one policy partys. However your possibly allowing Labour another 4/5 years in office by not voing Conservative as they are the only real opposition.
I have to laugh when labour announce new policies and especially at alistair darlings performance on TV the other day, come on you have had 13 years to implement your silly policys which no one will benefit from. Out with the old in the new. Vote for change, Vote Conservative!
I have to agree with you here. No matter how much I would love UKIP to win the election we have got to make sure our votes are not split between the conseratives and the minor parties and risk another 5 years of the scottish dictator.
Labour think portraying Cameron as Gene Hunt is bad? A tough talking no nonsense guy who takes no crap from anybody lol would get my vote.
I love this pic and how true is it lol the dustbins not being emptied in parts of the country, the strikes and planned strikes from BA, the rail, civil servants and now the teachers
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/04/03/article-1263244-08FD3AC5000005DC-310_468x433.jpg
-:Undertaker:-
04-04-2010, 12:01 AM
I really do find it ironic... Labours new advertising campaign is rather silly as the 1980's is when this country prospered and all because of Thatcher, id much rather go back to the 1980's then 1979 and the winter of discontent. The situation now is exactly the same as it was back then. We have a socialist government who cant stop spending and it will be up to the Conservatives to sort this country out and get it moving. "what mrs thatcher did to britain" labour say?, she let millions of people buy their council houses for start!. I am honestly amazed by the ignorence of labour.
People can vote for who they like but in all honesty its utterly pointless voting UKIP, GREEN or any of the smaller partys. UKIP MP's dont even take their seat in the house of commons, they are just one policy partys. However your possibly allowing Labour another 4/5 years in office by not voing Conservative as they are the only real opposition.
I have to laugh when labour announce new policies and especially at alistair darlings performance on TV the other day, come on you have had 13 years to implement your silly policys which no one will benefit from. Out with the old in the new. Vote for change, Vote Conservative!
I am a Conservative but would not vote the Conservatives now and I will tell you why. David Cameron has done nothing which gives me a reason to support him gaining office and to vote for him, nothing on immigration, the European Union, crime, taxation or anything else. Essentially it is like voting Labour. You cannot tell me or many others that we 'must vote Conservative to keep Labour out' - well i'm afraid that is not a good enough reason to vote somebody into office for, you must vote for change and sadly Cameron has nothing to change as the self-proclaimed heir to blair.
UKIP does have a fully manifesto on all policies and many true Tories this year will vote UKIP rather than playing the tactical voting game that you suggest we go along with. At the end of this Conservative term in office (which I suspect will ruin the reputation of a party which actually stood for something once) you will be just like those who voted Blair in 1997, let down, fed up and confused at where to go. The best outcome for the most boring General Election in history this year is a hung parliament with a Lib/Lab coalition. The coalition would fall apart within months to a year and hopefully by that time Cameron has been replaced by somebody such as David Davies (you know, a real Tory) who would sweep to power with a strong majority and sort this country out.
Vote Labour then you are voting for more of the same which means it will continue to get worse.
Vote Conservative then you are voting for more of the same which means it will continue to get worse.
A turkey doesnt vote for Christmas, dont let yourself make that same mistake.
I have to agree with you here. No matter how much I would love UKIP to win the election we have got to make sure our votes are not split between the conseratives and the minor parties and risk another 5 years of the scottish dictator.
But you are voting for more of the same under David Cameron, at least with voting UKIP you are voting for something you believe in more strongly as a right-winger and you could also could force the tactical change on the Conservative Party that is needed (the toppling of David Cameron). I battled with myself politically over the years at trying to keep some line of support for David Cameron and the Conservatives but its reached the point now where I cannot do that anymore because I know they are both exactly the same and thats sad to say for such a historic party which has rescued this country many times before.
jam666
04-04-2010, 12:17 AM
I did say that people can vote for who they want and its just my opinion but you have to look at the broader picture. Would you prefer another 4/5 years of a tired government that has no new ideas and has been there and done that whilst at the same time messed up the country, or vote for a new and fresh approach by the conservatives? they did it once with thatcher and whilst cameron isnt as right wing as thatcher im damn sure they can do it again as there are more than enough people who are currently fed up with the country the way it is at the moment.
There is only three possible outcomes which is either Labour gets elected for another term, there is a hung parliament or the conservatives are elected. The only one that actually offers CHANGE is the third outcome and that is to have the conservatives elected.
(I felt that i had to jump on the poster bandwagon and create my own :P)
jrh2002
04-04-2010, 12:18 AM
Brown or Cameron is a no brainer for me and I will vote for UKIP or whoever else will take us out of the EU in the europeans and local elections. I keep looking for a sniper rifle on ebay every time i see brown taking his deep breaths and puffing his cheeks in and out like a goldfish.
-:Undertaker:-
04-04-2010, 12:24 AM
I did say that people can vote for who they want and its just my opinion but you have to look at the broader picture. Would you prefer another 4/5 years of a tired government that has no new ideas and has been there and done that whilst at the same time messed up the country, or vote for a new and fresh approach by the conservatives? they did it once with thatcher and whilst cameron isnt as right wing as thatcher im damn sure they can do it again as there are more than enough people who are currently fed up with the country the way it is at the moment.
There is only three possible outcomes which is either Labour gets elected for another term, there is a hung parliament or the conservatives are elected. The only one that actually offers CHANGE is the third outcome and that is to have the conservatives elected.
(I felt that i had to jump on the poster bandwagon and create my own :P)
What is this new and fresh approach?
As a Conservative, I have been scraping at the walls for signs of it since he was elected to replace Howard in late 2005 and have still not found any signs of real change or this new fresh approach you mention.
Brown or Cameron is a no brainer for me and I will vote for UKIP or whoever else will take us out of the EU in the europeans and local elections. I keep looking for a sniper rifle on ebay every time i see brown taking his deep breaths and puffing his cheeks in and out like a goldfish.
Exactly, the best option is a hung parliament in which we can hope Cameron is disposed of. If not then the smaller parties such as UKIP will just continue to grow as yet more Tories will leave SS Cameron. The fact is that most Conservatives support far more fully what UKIP stand for than what the Conservatives stand for (the same as Labour) and theres little doubt in my mind that if UKIP does start to rise and grow more and more over the next few years/decade then they will jump ship instantly.
I hope it doesnt come to that situation and by then we have somebody like Davies installed as Tory leader.
Dave,
04-04-2010, 07:06 AM
The trouble is that a lot of people really don't understand politics, it isn't taught in schools and most will just pick it up here and there. People think they are voting for one person, the leader of the party such as Brown and Cameron, not what their parties policies are, but they are also too lazy to find out. Also a lot of opinions are passed down from generation, for example my parents grew up in the Thatcher era and were both from working class backgrounds so are both anti Tory and because of her always vote Labour, they still don't know I'm voting Conservative.
To be honest before any voting takes place people should be taught basic politics and read fully each parties policies before they are allowed to enter a polling booth, votes are being wasted and the wrong parties being elected for the wrong reasons.
conservative because anything is better then what we have at the moment :)! if not it would go to UKIP :)!
jam666
04-04-2010, 02:17 PM
The trouble is that a lot of people really don't understand politics, it isn't taught in schools and most will just pick it up here and there. People think they are voting for one person, the leader of the party such as Brown and Cameron, not what their parties policies are, but they are also too lazy to find out. Also a lot of opinions are passed down from generation, for example my parents grew up in the Thatcher era and were both from working class backgrounds so are both anti Tory and because of her always vote Labour, they still don't know I'm voting Conservative.
To be honest before any voting takes place people should be taught basic politics and read fully each parties policies before they are allowed to enter a polling booth, votes are being wasted and the wrong parties being elected for the wrong reasons.
You have hit the nail on the head, the problem is the majority of young voters base their opinion on their parents. In my case, my mum votes Conservative and so do i but only because i have actually read the manifesto and agree with their policys rather than just vote for them for the sake of it.
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