General Election

[Cheryl]

Being announced tomorrow, for the Election on 6th May

[-:Undertaker:-]

Angus Reid pollsters have the figures at;

38% Conservative and Unionist Party
27% Labour Party
20% Liberal Democrats
5% United Kingdom Independence Party
4% British National Party
3% Green Party of England & Wales

ICM pollsters have the figures at;

37% Conservative and Unionist Party
33% Labour Party
21% Liberal Democrats
9% Others (presumed)

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It must be noted that ICM are considered to be Labour-friendly and Angus Reid do tend to tilt more towards the Conservative side. I do think it will get much closer as the election looms and it does look likely that a Lib/Lab coalition will be formed in the event of a hung parliament which also looks very likely going by recent polls, at the very least the Conservatives will get a very small and weak majority. The smaller parties will make little breakthrough due to the FPTP system although they will build greatly on their 2005 results which were;

2005 General Election Results;

35.3% Labour Party
32.3% Conservative and Unionist Party
22.1% Liberal Democrats
2.2% United Kingdom Independence Party
1.0% Green Party of England & Wales
0.7% British National Party

I think as it stands the smaller parties will do better than Angus Reid predicts and that will hit the Conservative vote, although that could be diverted in percentage terms by the expected increased turnout in the event of a close-election which also looks likely. I myself personally and my Party included are looking for a hung parliament with a weak Lib/Lab coalition in which we can hope during that time that David Cameron is toppled in the Conservative Party and replaced with an actual leader who has Conservative values, with that being the weak coalition would then collapse within months (as they historically do) and an election called, with the Conservatives gaining a comfortable majority.

To echo what MEP Nigel Farage has said, this has got to be the most boring election in history in terms of the main parties because you cannot put a cigarette paper between them. Anywho, it makes little difference who wins anyway because over 75% of our laws to come from Brussels (EU) so you are essentially voting (if you vote for a pro-EU party; Lib/Lab/Con) for nothing, and its not helped either by the fact that the main parties at this moment are barely distinguishable from one another.

[Catzsy]

I think they need 11% to get a majority. It will be interesting to see how the polls develop.

[alexxxxx]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/default.stm
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Politics
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/general-election-2010

Parliament to be dissolved next monday, election next month.

Merged by iAdam (Forum Super Moderator); Similar topics.

[Jordy]

About time. Will be watching live on News 24 :)

[alexxxxx]

libdems ftw.

[Jordy]

They seem to of lost the plot to be honest, they're just continually slating both Labour & Conservatives at every opportunity, I'm glad they haven't chosen their allegiance yet should it come to a hung parliament but it's becoming really tiring. Vince Cable claimed to of predicted the economic crisis, yet he just said at the start of the decade that it was likely to collapse one day, quite obviously really... Just earlier Nick Clegg was carrying on about them being a real choice and them being bringing a fairer society for all (Whatever that means), I just don't see it happening.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8603009.stm - Some of their policies just make them seem like loonies, taking away money from improving motorways to spend money on reversing the Beeching cuts lol.

[alexxxxx]

They seem to of lost the plot to be honest, they're just continually slating both Labour & Conservatives at every opportunity, I'm glad they haven't chosen their allegiance yet should it come to a hung parliament but it's becoming really tiring. Vince Cable claimed to of predicted the economic crisis, yet he just said at the start of the decade that it was likely to collapse one day, quite obviously really... Just earlier Nick Clegg was carrying on about them being a real choice and them being bringing a fairer society for all (Whatever that means), I just don't see it happening.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8603009.stm - Some of their policies just make them seem like loonies, taking away money from improving motorways to spend money on reversing the Beeching cuts lol.

what they have on their website seems a bit vague so far, but Cable sounds more competent than Osbourne and Darling. Labour have lost the plot, became to complacent and the tory policy of cutting public spending immediately will only put us into a double dip recession.

[Jordy]

That speech outside Number 10 was awful, I was already laughing as soon as he kicked off with something about him being a middle class person from a middle class background lol. Then he went on to continuing the economic recovery? What recovery, we were the slowest of all the major nations?

[Adamm]

Oh great, more ball-less people voting for parties because they dare not vote for the 'inferior' parties. We'll get no where with an attitude like that, *Removed*

Edited by Catzsy (Forum Moderator): Please do not be rude to others.

[Smits]

Off topic but do you need to register to vote or are you automatically eligible once you turn 18?

[Hecktix]

Off topic but do you need to register to vote or are you automatically eligible once you turn 18?

You need to register, you can do it online.

[alexxxxx]

Off topic but do you need to register to vote or are you automatically eligible once you turn 18?

you gotta register. i'm registered. www.aboutmyvote.co.uk

[Smits]

Ahh right thoguht so. I was on that site earlier, i'll register now.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well we now enter the most boring election in history, the points i'll be watching out for and wishing luck in will be Farage in Buckingham and Griffin in Barking. The Conservatives stand little chance, they need in some seats a 6% swing to capture key marginals which is more than Mrs Thatcher got in 1979 so I can see little chance of the Conservatives forming the next government and I hope we come out of this with a weak Lib/Lab coalition. Either way when we all wake up on May 6th we will have no change because the next government will consist of the three main parties.

As for the leaders debates and the debate between Darling, Osborne and Cable - I mean come on, its got to of been the most boring show ever televised. You cannot put a cigarette paper between the three of them; does anybody know any real differences between the main parties because I certainly cannot find any. So if you are voting, vote anybody except the three main parties and even if you dont agree with the likes of UKIP, BNP, Green Party then still vote but spoil your vote.

A vote for the main parties is a vote for the same old (corrupt) mugs.

[immense]

go labour

[MrPinkPanther]

Well we now enter the most boring election in history, the points i'll be watching out for and wishing luck in will be Farage in Buckingham and Griffin in Barking.
Griffin? The man who condoned "Maiming and blowing things up"?


Either way when we all wake up on May 6th we will have no change because the next government will consist of the three main parties.

Sorry when were the Liberal Democrats last in power? Oh wait they never have been. Only the Liberals have been around a century ago. The Liberal Democrats offer the biggest shake up of the political system since Women got the vote, if theres one thing that you can guarantee, its change.


As for the leaders debates and the debate between Darling, Osborne and Cable - I mean come on, its got to of been the most boring show ever televised. You cannot put a cigarette paper between the three of them.
Hang on!? You are saying Cable and Osborne are the same!?? Oh my lord.


f you are voting, vote anybody except the three main parties and even if you dont agree with the likes of UKIP, BNP, Green Party then still vote but spoil your vote.
Why? Because you don't agree with them? Thats naive and idiotic. The three many parties do support the vast majority of the population despite what you say, the reason they have become so watered down is because the public only vote for them if they are like that, thats what the public want. I totally support peoples right to vote for UKIP, BNP and the Green Party however I equally support their right to vote for Labour, Conservative and the Liberal Democrats which you clearly do not. Just because you support UKIP it doesn't mean the majority of the population do.



A vote for the main parties is a vote for the same old (corrupt) mugs.
A minority of MPs are corrupt yet they are all branded with this image. As I pointed out in the last thread UKIP's Farage has claimed £2 Million on expenses in EU parliament, which is several times that of any "real" MP. I know you are going to say he didn't benefit personally...well...yes he did. A significant proportion of that went to support UKIP's election campaign which was designed to get Farage elected and therefore have a high earning Job. Additionally he employs his own wife under expenses, UKIP is more corrupt that the rest of them and it has VERY few elected representatives.

[Smits]

I've printed off the registration thing and i'll send it off later. I'll be voting Lib Dems.

[MrPinkPanther]

I've printed off the registration thing and i'll send it off later. I'll be voting Lib Dems.
Good show. I believe the Liberal Democrats do fairly well in Burnley?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Griffin? The man who condoned "Maiming and blowing things up"?Yes Griffin, because I know you as a Liberal Democrat may not like it, but the fact is that Griffin stands for death penalty, EU withdrawal, low taxes and tougher punishments for criminals. I was watching your leader Nick Clegg say how we need rehabilitation for criminals by 'talking to them' - I mean what planet is your party, yourself and your leader on?

They wouldnt commit crimes if they were locked up now would they.


Sorry when were the Liberal Democrats last in power? Oh wait they never have been. Only the Liberals have been around a century ago. The Liberal Democrats offer the biggest shake up of the political system since Women got the vote, if theres one thing that you can guarantee, its change.What change is this?

- Continue with the European Union.
- Raise taxes which drive away business.
- Keep spending out of our means.

While I admit I do agree with some points such as the proportional representation system being introduced, the rest of your policies (such as scrapping Trident) are totally and utterly comical. Yet again, you [the left] ignores history at your peril and the peril of the nation. Little do you understand that Trident is at the heart of defence policy and will become more important as the rise of Asia takes place.


Hang on!? You are saying Cable and Osborne are the same!?? Oh my lord. Yes I am and do you know why?

We spend more on paying the debt interest than we do on the military/education - we face debts of over £1 TRILLION and not one of the prospective Chancellors have a solution to this. You are all utterly in denial about the scale of the problems facing us and offer next to nothing thats different to eachother. I see nothing new coming from the Liberal Democrats, other than the policy to not tax those on lower income (which incidently is a UKIP policy) and that goes far from sorting our the economical issues we face. There is nothing radical about any of you [the main parties].


Why? Because you don't agre with them? Thats naive and idiotic. The three many parties do support the vast majority of the population despite what you say, the reason they have become so watered down is because the public only vote for them if they are like that, thats what the public want. I totally support peoples right to vote for UKIP, BNP and the Green Party however I equally support their right to vote for Labour, Conservative and the Liberal Democrats which you clearly do not. Just because you support UKIP it doesn't mean the majority of the population do.Can you address then, despite the main parties supporting more EU and being against the death penalty why the polls show that the parties are the complete opposite to public opinion? - its not naive and idiotic, your party is socialism with a smile and would take us back to the 1970s, add this to the fact that; you want to waste billions tackling non-existent climate change and making promises you cannot afford. I know UKIP is supported in most points by public opinion because i've looked at the polls mate, the Liberal Democrats on the other hand have little in common with the people of England and are used as a protest vote. Let us take Liverpool for example, the Liberal Democrats get a strong hold here only because we try our best to keep Labour out which destroyed this city.


A minority of MPs are corrupt yet they are all branded with this image. As I pointed out in the last thread UKIP's Farage has claimed £2 Million on expenses in EU parliament, which is several times that of any "real" MP. I know you are going to say he didn't benefit personally...well...yes he did. A significant proportion of that went to support UKIP's election campaign which was designed to get Farage elected and therefore have a high earning Job. Additionally he employs his own wife under expenses, UKIP is more corrupt that the rest of them and it has VERY few elected representatives.Nigel Farage did not benefit from his expenses which are actually called allowances unlike Nick Clegg who cheated the expenses system. They are used to run the regional office which every single MEP has and needs to run as it is part of the job. As for employing your wife to help with the job, what is wrong with that? - aslong as the wife does the work which i'm sure she does as their is no evidence to suggest otherwise then i'm perfectly fine with that and I dont see your problem with it. Infact lets clear this up once and for all here;



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4lmuLI81SU


It is a totally different system and Farage has published his expenses online. Let us compare this to Nick Clegg who has clamied the maximum amount under the second home allowance. Mr Clegg claimed for food (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5314418/How-Nick-Clegg-pushed-expenses-claims-to-the-limit-MPs-expenses.html);- everyone has to eat, so why is Nick Clegg or any other Westminister MP any different?. The difference between these two is that Farage did not break any rules and did not benefit from his expenses, Mr Clegg did.

You are [the party] totally corrupt, and until you find some solid evidence that Mr Farage did use some of those allowances to buy himself a new car, a new house, food and so on then Clegg is in the wrong, Farage is not. As for representation, in the fair proportional representation election last year in 2009 UKIP earned itself 13 seats coming second in the polls, the Liberal Democrats meanwhile came fourth and polled 11 seats. The results can now be seen below. To add finally, you cannot say FPTP is fair because your own party is against the FPTP system anyway and like UKIP, is in favour of the fair PR system.

27.7% Conservative & Unionist Party
16.5% United Kingdom Independence Party
15.7% Labour Party
13.7% Liberal Democrats
8.6% Green Party of England & Wales
6.2% British National Party

There the results are, in a fair proportional representation system which your party also admits is the fairest system and wants it to be implemented in the Westminister system as well. UKIP beat the Liberal Democrats and recieved more votes to do so, so we are pretty well represented thank you very much.

[Sameer!]

I have a feeling this election is going to real tight....

[Axel]

Ughh I don't like those pollster figures. Silly Conservatives.

[Smits]

Good show. I believe the Liberal Democrats do fairly well in Burnley?

I think they seem to do alright yeah. They always have a lot of tables set up in the centre throughout the year which always get a bit of interest.

Think one of their main pulling points round here was the support for hospitals staying open, which a lot of people like since it is a big thing around here.

One of the main things that pulls me towards them over others is the promise of abolishing university fees, whether it would happen or not,

[luce]

35.3% Labour Party
32.3% Conservative and Unionist Party
22.1% Liberal Democrats
2.2% United Kingdom Independence Party
1.0% Green Party of England & Wales
0.7% British National Party

I think BNP will get more because a lot of people are fed up with immigrants and just want something done.
Conservative will get in (i hope) and i also hope UKIP do really well as well i don't get a vote where i live even if i was of age and if i was my vote would be going to Conservative or UKIP.

[Jordy]

I think they seem to do alright yeah. They always have a lot of tables set up in the centre throughout the year which always get a bit of interest.

Think one of their main pulling points round here was the support for hospitals staying open, which a lot of people like since it is a big thing around here.

One of the main things that pulls me towards them over others is the promise of abolishing university fees, whether it would happen or not,Abolishing University Fees is totally unworkable and the Lib Dems have even admitted themselves they probably can't afford to do so. There'd need to be some radical changes to the education system to make it feasible.

Now the Lib Dems now have a half-hearted all over the place policy to scrap them over a period of six years (Two parliaments!), even then it's unaffordable; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8421092.stm - Beforehand I can see why people would vote Lib Dems as they were clearly going to get rid of tuition fees but now they're just utterly confused and the money isn't there.

[Catzsy]

35.3% Labour Party
32.3% Conservative and Unionist Party
22.1% Liberal Democrats
2.2% United Kingdom Independence Party
1.0% Green Party of England & Wales
0.7% British National Party

I think BNP will get more because a lot of people are fed up with immigrants and just want something done.
Conservative will get in (i hope) and i also hope UKIP do really well as well i don't get a vote where i live even if i was of age and if i was my vote would be going to Conservative or UKIP.

Luccy where is that poll from - got a link? I haven't seen any with labour in the lead. :S

[-:Undertaker:-]

Luccy where is that poll from - got a link? I haven't seen any with labour in the lead. :S

They were the General Election 2005 results if i'm not mistaken. At the moment the figures are around these (taken from what i've seen in polls);

Conservative & Unionist Party are at the 36% to 38% region.
Labour Party is at the 29% to 34% region.
Liberal Democrats are at the 16% to 21% region.
United Kingdom Independence Party is at the 5% to 7% region.
British National Party is at around the 4% mark.
Green Party of England and Wales is at or around the 3% mark.

[MrPinkPanther]

United Kingdom Independence Party is at the 5% to 7% region.
British National Party is at around the 4% mark.
Green Party of England and Wales is at or around the 3% mark.
You wish. Together those add up to 12-14% which is higher than "Others" in most polls and thats not including independents and other political parties which actually get quite a lot of votes (Sinn fein, SNP etc).

[-:Undertaker:-]

You wish. Together those add up to 12-14% which is higher than "Others" in most polls and thats not including independents and other political parties which actually get quite a lot of votes (Sinn fein, SNP etc).

Angus Reid is the only pollster to include the smaller parties, so its not 'I wish' - that is what the smaller parties are on. I have poor skills in mathematics but those add upto 100% and if you have a pair of eyeballs you would quite clearly be able to see i've put the swing into the calculations. I have added scope because; the swing between UKIP, the BNP & the Greens is supposed to be around that figure, now as most pollsters do not add the smaller parties we can assume this will be slightly higher (especially the UKIP vote going from the Conservatives to UKIP).

Concerning the total add up of the 'Other' margin, check most pollsters and that is the predicted region. From around 9% to 15% is the predicted region for the smaller parties; BNP, UKIP and the Green Party. I suggest in future rather than coming out with something you have looked into very little judging by your tone, you check sites such as the UKPolling Report or even just look on Sky News where they have the figures from numerous pollsters (yougov, Mori and so on) which matches exactly the figures I am giving you.

So no, I know you want an argument over polling figures but i've been checking the polls daily since the summer and those are the predicted results for the smaller parties and main parties. What I always finds strange is, you are quick dishing it out but not that keen on ever taking it back hence why you very rarely reply to any of my answers. Anyway, wasn't it you(?) who predicted the Liberal Democrats to suprise everyone in this election only a few months ago? - i'm optimistic but i'm not naive.

[Catzsy]

Only thing I would say, Dan, is that Angus Read does seem to be out of step with almost all the other polls but I would agree that UKIP are gaining ground from the last election and I have read 4/5% quite a few times for them
but not 7%. They are certainly not the 'joke' they used to be seen as and compared with the greens and some other longstanding small parties they have progressed quite a way in a short time.