UKIP & BNP MEMBERS TEND TO HAVE LOWER IQS

[MrPinkPanther]

Self explanatory really:
http://www.mrc.ac.uk/Newspublications/News/MRC005139

[Titch]

Self explanatory really:
http://www.mrc.ac.uk/Newspublications/News/MRC005139

based on 2001 election, 9 years out of date....

[MrPinkPanther]

So wait...you are allowed to criticise Labour policies from before then but I am not allowed to pull out a study? If people vote for a small party then usually they will stick with them and IQs usually stay the same...

[Fez]

You don't need brains to see this country is in a mess.

(I don't support any of the independents, UKIP and BNP included)

[-:Undertaker:-]

You don't need brains to see this country is in a mess.

(I don't support any of the independents, UKIP and BNP included)

Here here, summed this thread up in one line.

UKIP was a joke in 2001 anyway. Although I am glad to see that now with a higher result expected at this election and amazing results at the European Elections, you (the main parties) are taking UKIP seriously as a threat and that explains why you are so determined to post threads such as this (which are 9 years out of date) which dont even debate policy but are, in short; cheap shots. On the point of IQs, quite frankly I wouldnt judge anybody by their intelligence and that doesnt make their opinion worth any less than somebody who is a step up in education background, and for you to do so is snobbery at its best.

[luce]

So wait...you are allowed to criticise Labour policies from before then but I am not allowed to pull out a study? If people vote for a small party then usually they will stick with them and IQs usually stay the same...

George bush was the president of the USA and has an IQ of 91. You don't have to be clever to reach the top in politics.

[luce]

George bush was the president of the USA and has an IQ of 91. You don't have to be clever to reach the top in politics.

just to add outside edit time that my IQ is 114 which is higher than the average of about 100 according to mensa and i follow UKIP so not everyone falls into your inaccurate generalization :)!

[Sharon]

Nice Lucy, the average of an adult is 100, where as a little boy who was 3's IQ was 130 LOL

[Titch]

i have an IQ of 140 and got 9A*s at GCSE and went to one of the top grammar schools in country for boys yet i support UKIP ?

[Sharon]

Which Grammar titch

[Titch]

Which Grammar titch

www.chathamhouse.kent.sch.uk

[Hitman]

Indeed, people can see the mess without all these threads. Before I visited the news section I already disliked the state of the country... I took a look at the BNP website and they have some very good policies. Some are a bit harsh or over the top, but some are good.

Lots of people vote Labour (or conservatives) because they're the two main parties and some people like the colour red or blue. They must be very stupid to just vote for a party willy nilly.

[jrh2002]

Who funds this medical council? Thats right its government funded and then they claim to be independent lol
http://www.mrc.ac.uk/About/Factsfigures/index.htm
Of course these studies will always sway towards the people who fund you or else you will find your organisation closed down or under funded to death due to the poor results you show.

Many of the minor parties have some of the cleverest people in the UK supporting them so to put all their supporters in the stupid bracket its just a personal attack and to scare floating voters in to not voting for the minor parties in the fear of being branded thick or even racist.

On HxF we have Undertaker backing UKIP who puts his arguments over very well and gets a lot of support.

Jordy comes over really and shows a number of great articles about what the conservatives are doing.

I wont name the main BNP supporter incase they only support a number of their policies and are still an undecided.

We have a number of negative stories about the Labour party which should be highlighted and discussed :o I just wish your left wing labour and liberals :o yes you know who you are :o instead of branding everything as lies, claim the sources of the articles are not up to your left wing standards as your paper does have the story in (as if they would have negative stuff about the ppl they support) or personally attacking the people or their views but totally ignoring the articles. Maybe you should starting supporting your own parties by telling us what good policies they have and what good they do for the whole country? Then we can discuss those threads in great detail and not resort to your discriminating attacks.

Surely highlighting the good and the bad stories about all the parties is the way forward? You do NOT pick a party like a football team and then stick with them through thick and thin for the rest of your life unless you have a hidden agenda.

[jackass]

i have an IQ of 140 and got 9A*s at GCSE and went to one of the top grammar schools in country for boys yet i support UKIP ?

Somehow that seems very unlikely.

[luce]

Nice Lucy, the average of an adult is 100, where as a little boy who was 3's IQ was 130 LOL

like titch i go to a top grammar school, none of my family pay to go to school we all passed. My dad went to St Edward's in Birmingham he then went to oxford. My uncle to cambridge my cousin got a first class from oxford in maths i am predicted 10 A*s and 4 As at GCSE. I follow UKIP. And also there are always going to be these children who are like that but i'm talking about the average there are always exceptions?

[MissAlice]

The MRC focuses its funding on research areas which make a difference to human health, on behalf of the taxpayer.

I wonder how this research will benefit my health! What a waste of taxpayers’ money.

[dirrty]

someones IQ is irrelevant anyway as you can't measure intelligence.

[cocaine]

i have an IQ of 140 and got 9A*s at GCSE and went to one of the top grammar schools in country for boys yet i support UKIP ?


like titch i go to a top grammar school, none of my family pay to go to school we all passed. My dad went to St Edward's in Birmingham he then went to oxford. My uncle to cambridge my cousin got a first class from oxford in maths i am predicted 10 A*s and 4 As at GCSE. I follow UKIP. And also there are always going to be these children who are like that but i'm talking about the average there are always exceptions?

when we're all done comparing our achieved/predicted grades (btw titch not wanting to defer off topic but to do 4 A levels at your supposed 'top grammar school' you need 5 B's at GCSE.. my schools decent but nowhere near the top and it requires you to have at least 7 B's before you can even take 3 A levels).

common sense would dictate that you don't judge someone on their IQ before you declare your allegiance to a party - if you're as clever as you claim to be, surely you'd possess the quality of open mindedness instead of turning your nose up at anyone you consider to be intellectually inferior to you.

[luce]

someones IQ is irrelevant anyway as you can't measure intelligence.

oh well that's alright then lets just let a GCSE less hobo perform open heart surgery. of course you can measure intelligence.

and no your IQ can't dictate what party you support that is my point showing that that article is about as useful and Gordon Brown is influencing what is going to happen in this General Election.

[Titch]

Somehow that seems very unlikely.

And whys that exactly? Because i am dyslexic? Because i enjoy a good argument? I am who i am, and who i am is me, being who i am and the way i fact does not mean i am not smart. Both my brothers went to Simon Langston Grammar school for boys and my Sister Simon Langston Grammar School for girls, my father is the now the CEO of one of the largest administration company's in the UK and his company dealt with the closure's of MFI, Woolworth's, Borders, Threshers. don't judge me over what you see of me in my posts, because you don't know me at all, there are very few people on this forum who actually know my background.

and to cocain, each school will lower/higher the entry standards depending on how many other schools are in the area and the intake of the pupils of that area. I can assure you there are A LOT more schools in London than in my area and therfor can be more picky for choice.

[Inseriousity.]

someones IQ is irrelevant anyway as you can't measure intelligence.

Agreed. :)
jrh is right about the funding. Whoever funds it has an influence on the results whether we like it or not!

I do not support the UKIP or BNP (atm, i'm neutral, still don't know who) so these 'findings' don't really affect me but it's rather absurd imo.

[cocaine]

And whys that exactly? Because i am dyslexic? Because i enjoy a good argument? I am who i am, and who i am is me, being who i am and the way i fact does not mean i am not smart. Both my brothers went to Simon Langston Grammar school for boys and my Sister Simon Langston Grammar School for girls, my father is the now the CEO of one of the largest administration company's in the UK and his company dealt with the closure's of MFI, Woolworth's, Borders, Threshers. don't judge me over what you see of me in my posts, because you don't know me at all, there are very few people on this forum who actually know my background.

by the looks of it you've just shared it with a whole of 40,000 habbox forum members.

[Fez]

Don't mean to be rude, Titch, but you don't capitalise your 'i's and you started a sentence with 'and'; in some forms it's acceptable but the A wasn't capitalised.

If you don't put to practice your English skills on the web then I understand.

Just sayin'.

[dirrty]

oh well that's alright then lets just let a GCSE less hobo perform open heart surgery. of course you can measure intelligence.

and no your IQ can't dictate what party you support that is my point showing that that article is about as useful and Gordon Brown is influencing what is going to happen in this General Election.
well done for taking my post out of context. and no, you still can't measure intelligence as everyone is technically 'intelligent', but just at different things. just because someone can perform open heart surgery doesn't mean they're more intelligent than a plumber or a cook as they all have the "capacity of mind, especially to understand principles, truths, facts or meanings, acquire knowledge, and apply it to practice; the ability to learn and comprehend"

so as said earlier, you can't measure intelligence.

[Catzsy]

Who funds this medical council? Thats right its government funded and then they claim to be independent lol
http://www.mrc.ac.uk/About/Factsfigures/index.htm
Of course these studies will always sway towards the people who fund you or else you will find your organisation closed down or under funded to death due to the poor results you show.

Many of the minor parties have some of the cleverest people in the UK supporting them so to put all their supporters in the stupid bracket its just a personal attack and to scare floating voters in to not voting for the minor parties in the fear of being branded thick or even racist.

On HxF we have Undertaker backing UKIP who puts his arguments over very well and gets a lot of support.

Jordy comes over really and shows a number of great articles about what the conservatives are doing.

I wont name the main BNP supporter incase they only support a number of their policies and are still an undecided.

We have a number of negative stories about the Labour party which should be highlighted and discussed :o I just wish your left wing labour and liberals :o yes you know who you are :o instead of branding everything as lies, claim the sources of the articles are not up to your left wing standards as your paper does have the story in (as if they would have negative stuff about the ppl they support) or personally attacking the people or their views but totally ignoring the articles. Maybe you should starting supporting your own parties by telling us what good policies they have and what good they do for the whole country? Then we can discuss those threads in great detail and not resort to your discriminating attacks.

Surely highlighting the good and the bad stories about all the parties is the way forward? You do NOT pick a party like a football team and then stick with them through thick and thin for the rest of your life unless you have a hidden agenda.

Yes well we are left wing dogooders after all :O. Having said that Jrh I think you will find that it is also applies the other way round. It depends what colours are pinned to the mast and what you particularly agree with. Many of us leftwing put our points across just as well but as you don't agree then you are going to find the posts you agree with more attractive - that's only natural. :P

[Jordy]

This is a very low blow FlyDuo, even if this was relevant or even true, how earth does this matter? The report is 2 years old and biased and based on statistics from 9 years ago when the two parties were incredibly different.

The Lib Dems are onto a real winner with you as a supporter and potential councillor.

[jrh2002]

Yes well we are left wing dogooders after all :O. Having said that Jrh I think you will find that it is also applies the other way round. It depends what colours are pinned to the mast and what you particularly agree with. Many of us leftwing put our points across just as well but as you don't agree then you are going to find the posts you agree with more attractive - that's only natural. :P

You are very right :) but you must admit that its perfectly reasonable for us all to agree or disagree but there are a number of threads where people refuse to discuss that actual thread and resort to attacking the sources, the person posting or their political views which is wrong don't you think? Although we are miles apart on our political views there can be no defence on some of the stories that have appeared on here. If you continue to defend the indefensible I will have to start calling you mrs Blair ;) :p

[Catzsy]

You are very right :) but you must admit that its perfectly reasonable for us all to agree or disagree but there are a number of threads where people refuse to discuss that actual thread and resort to attacking the sources, the person posting or their political views which is wrong don't you think? Although we are miles apart on our political views there can be no defence on some of the stories that have appeared on here. If you continue to defend the indefensible I will have to start calling you mrs Blair ;) :p

Well the problem is jrh you cannot take the media very seriously these days - in fact I wonder if they are not more powerful than the government or any of the main political parties. Also it would be nice if they didn't pick a little fact out of a bigger story which makes the whole thing completely out of balance and give a very warped perspective. This is true of both left wing and right wing media so the 'source' as you call it needs to be investigated properly before posting or people will challenge. You can call me Mrs Blair if wou want to - I really rate Tony Blair.

Introduction of:
Dragging Labour party into the 20th Century
10p income tax for lower paid ( abolished by Gordon Brown)
Minimum Wage
Child tax credit
Working Tax Credit
Pension Credit
Cold weather payments
An equal age of consent for homosexuals,
civil partnership laws,
Abolition of Clause 28 (a measure introduced by the previous Conservative administration which prohibited the promotion of homosexuality in schools).
Abolition of Incapacity benefit
Abolition of benefit payments to 16 - 18 replaced by EMA
A very stable and prosperous economy

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well the problem is jrh you cannot take the media very seriously these days - in fact I wonder if they are not more powerful than the government or any of the main political parties. Also it would be nice if they didn't pick a little fact out of a bigger story which makes the whole thing completely out of balance and give a very warped perspective. This is true of both left wing and right wing media so the 'source' as you call it needs to be investigated properly before posting or people will challenge. You can call me Mrs Blair if wou want to - I really rate Tony Blair.Really? - lets have a good look at these then.


Introduction of:
Dragging Labour party into the 20th CenturyThe introduction of spin and government to be dominated by spin doctors.


10p income tax for lower paid ( abolished by Gordon Brown)
Minimum Wage
Child tax credit
Working Tax Credit
Pension Credit
Cold weather paymentsNow i'm afraid none of that makes sense. Labour raised taxes for everybody under their term in office, so what in the point of giving those taxes back which just costs money in red tape? - one big reason, to keep the client state running.


An equal age of consent for homosexuals, Agreed.


civil partnership laws, Do not agree personally although mostly looked upon as a good move, so partly agree.


Abolition of Clause 28 (a measure introduced by the previous Conservative administration which prohibited the promotion of homosexuality in schools). Why should homosexuality be rubbed in our faces? - i'm gay and I hate the constant militant homosexuality that only serves to fuel homophobia, not rid us of it. A school should not be promoting homosexuality, it should simply be learnt and that is what school is about, learning.


Abolition of Incapacity benefit That benefit is still in place from what I gather and is abused by a number of people.


Abolition of benefit payments to 16 - 18 replaced by EMAA big waste to the state when that could just be cut off taxes in the first place, in short; a waste of money.


A very stable and prosperous economyA global boom which, internally, the government partly destroyed by spending more than it had and prevented British business from benefitting compared to other regions due to high taxation rates as well as hitting the consumer.

[Catzsy]

Well you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. I was actually replying to Jrh and as he said:

resort to attacking the sources, the person posting or their political views which is wrong don't you think?

[jrh2002]

You can call me Mrs Blair if wou want to - I really rate Tony Blair.

I was more thinking of Cherie fighting for the rights of the terrorists etc :o (Very Sorry) Tony Blair did come over very very well but it turns out hes a war criminal who is benefitting from a job that involves trading in the Iraq oil :o surely he should never be allowed to be in such a position as that is morally wrong at the very least. Great how his expenses were also accidently shredded by one of his staff and there were no other records of them :o How he was making laws to combat terrorism but then his wonky faced wife was then challenging those laws in her job defending the terrorists :o Quite a money making little double act. The best thing Tony Blair did in my eyes was leaving when he did so it all collapsed on poor Gordon LOL priceless ;)

Introduction of:
Dragging Labour party into the 20th Century
But they have gone against what they have always stood for and that was the working man/woman (My grandad was a labout supporter and must be turning in his grave)

10p income tax for lower paid ( abolished by Gordon Brown)
People are far poorer these days than they were 13 years ago :o Look at the rediculous rises in council tax, fuel duty and 100s more stealth taxes

Minimum Wage
This works for some but I believe it has created a huge black economy of people working tax free for a lot less than the minimum wage

Child tax credit
If you are not able to afford children then dont have them? Why should we subsadise the baby farming family who use this as a pay rise? not to mention you only need to renew this claim once per year :o there are so many people living abroad who draw this out their banks from the foreign cash machines

Working Tax Credit
This gives people no incentive to better themselves :o I know a few people who have turned down quite good promotions so they dont lose out on this tax credit and dont lose child tax credits :s If I was back at school my ambition would be to get a council house and live a life of luxery off the state.

Pension Credit
Does this give people who have not paid enough in an amount to make their money up to full pension? Incentive to work hard and pay your NI? I think not. Where I do agree with this credit is where a lady who brought up a family while her husband worked became a widow and then was not entitled to a full state pension.

Cold weather payments
I agree with this one 100% and its great that everybody gets it :) I even believe its right that our ex pats abroad get it as well because they have paid in to the system.

An equal age of consent for homosexuals,
This is fine but considering nobody seems to take any notice of the age of consent even when there is evidence such as a child born to a 13 year old and no prosecutions happens (99 times out of 100 anyway)

civil partnership laws,
The tories will even give them marriage tax allowance :o

Abolition of Clause 28 (a measure introduced by the previous Conservative administration which prohibited the promotion of homosexuality in schools).
The birds and the bees should be explained in school like reproduction, safe sex and about STD's and I disagree with anything more being promoted :) If somebody is straight, gay or bi surely as long as you know how to be safe then the fun is in the experimenting? I can imagine looking your partner in the eyes and seeing your school teacher in your mind giving their tips of what to do next lol I dont even think a man could survive that thought full of viagra.

Abolition of Incapacity benefit
But they have not thrown the people off this and made them re-apply for the new benefit so its still a career for some. To be honest its just a name change with a bit of tough talking but its not stopping people claim it :o Even the overweight get on it and can get a free gym membership to help them lose weight or get a free disability scooter (bloody menaces of the paths and supermarkets)

Abolition of benefit payments to 16 - 18 replaced by EMA
EMA should be free transport (Bus Pass) Free books etc and vouchers for stationary etc and NO cash at all. Not sure the tax payer should have to pay yet again and send these people out to do part time jobs to fund themselves.

A very stable and prosperous economy
Built on a bubble of debt that finally popped? typical labour spending like crazy even during the good times when they should have been saving for the crash :o of course the crash was never coming as Gordon had stopped boom and bust lol Funding all these crazy quangos who supply us with rediculous studies and then Labour say how many new jobs they had created :o just read the Guardian jobs pages and you will struggle to keep a straight face at some of the crazy job titles.

[Tintinnabulate]

Here here, summed this thread up in one line.

UKIP was a joke in 2001 anyway. Although I am glad to see that now with a higher result expected at this election and amazing results at the European Elections, you (the main parties) are taking UKIP seriously as a threat and that explains why you are so determined to post threads such as this (which are 9 years out of date) which dont even debate policy but are, in short; cheap shots. On the point of IQs, quite frankly I wouldnt judge anybody by their intelligence and that doesnt make their opinion worth any less than somebody who is a step up in education background, and for you to do so is snobbery at its best.

They still are a joke. And being taken "seriously as a threat"? Sorry, which planet do you live in?
The main debates between Labour, Conservatives and Liberal Democrats.

[Hecktix]

George bush was the president of the USA and has an IQ of 91. You don't have to be clever to reach the top in politics.

You don't have to be clever to reach the top, but you have to be clever to do well, also backed up by your Bush comment ;)

[Fez]

They still are a joke. And being taken "seriously as a threat"? Sorry, which planet do you live in?
The main debates between Labour, Conservatives and Liberal Democrats.

Second in the European Parliament elections? Beat out Labour?

[Tintinnabulate]

Second in the European Parliament elections? Beat out Labour?

Not in the General Election though...

[ifuseekamy]

Because most of the supporters are working class. The majority of Labour supporters probably wouldn't fare too well against the Conservatives if you looked at their IQ and qualifications for the same reason.

[Catzsy]

Because most of the supporters are working class. The majority of Labour supporters probably wouldn't fare too well against the Conservatives if you looked at their IQ and qualifications for the same reason.

I actually do not think IQ has anything to do with class. I'd be amazed if you could find some actual evidence of that. Jrh I will be replying to your post when I have an hour to spare! :P :D

[Fez]

Not in the General Election though...

Well it shows they are increasing in public opinion.

[GommeInc]

Hmmm, I prefer how people practice than what an IQ test can say about someone. An IQ test is a terrible example, seeing as a politician doesn't necessarily have to be up to date with general knowledge - just how to run the country and have some knowledge of law, accountancy, politics and so forth. As far as I can tell, UKIP and BNP members are quite smart. Heck, socially acceptable people who do not stick their groggy little fingers into the biscuit jar is usually a start :P

[Special]

i have an IQ of 140 and got 9A*s at GCSE and went to one of the top grammar schools in country for boys yet i support UKIP ?

omg seriously?

and also i agree with the person who said something on the lines of 'you don't need to be clever to see the countrys in a mess' (sorry, i couldnt find your post!)

i dont support any party or whatever

[MattFr]

Self explanatory really:
http://www.mrc.ac.uk/Newspublications/News/MRC005139

Hey Ozzie babe.

Edited by Garion (Forum Manager): Please do not post pointlessly, thanks :)!

[Wig44.]

Anyone who thinks you have to be smart to do well is wrong, anyone who thinks that if you're smart enough and try hard enough you can get to the top of this country is wrong. Meritocracy is a load of rubbish and (almost) all the most powerful people in this country didn't achieve and were ascribed their status.