The UK is closed for business

[Technologic]

All airports in Scotland closed, 90% of flights in the nation cancelled.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8621407.stm

Thanks Iceland, yet another way to screw us over!

[Technologic]

Update: ALL flights from London airports after 11:30GMT cancelled

[Jamesy]

wow, that's quite bad!

Though better than the alternative of having planes fall from the sky :P

[AlexOC]

The knock on effect is going to be huggee

[Technologic]

All UK airspace to be shut down at 12:00 GMT

[scott]

I was wondering why it was so quiet when i got up this morning, then the sea plane had to go and ruin it!!

[Technologic]

I was wondering why it was so quiet when i got up this morning, then the sea plane had to go and ruin it!!

You live in glasgow or something?

[Eyan]

Lol, Why Is This?? I Dunno Whats Happening, LOL!

[scott]

You live in glasgow or something?

Yepppp! :)

[Eyan]

Dont Worry, Found Out Why, Lol :L

[Technologic]

Lol, Why Is This?? I Dunno Whats Happening, LOL!

Basically ther's been an eruption in Iceland whih is spewing loads of ash into the air. This massive amount of ash is now moving southwards, down across the UK. The ash causes serious problems with aircraft engines and because the cloud is (currently) lying between 20,000 and 40,000ft where planes usually fly theyve had no choice but to close down UK airspace to all inbound and outbound flights.

[Eyan]

Basically ther's been an eruption in Iceland whih is spewing loads of ash into the air. This massive amount of ash is now moving southwards, down across the UK. The ash causes serious problems with aircraft engines and because the cloud is (currently) lying between 20,000 and 40,000ft where planes usually fly theyve had no choice but to close down UK airspace to all inbound and outbound flights.

O_o, Sounds Worse Than The Thing I Read :L

[Catzsy]

Wow this is bad. A bit of a ecological disaster.

Latest news:
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/62209,news-comment,news-politics,airport-chaos-volcanic-cloud-ash-sweeps-in-from-iceland-eyjafjallajoekull-glacier

[BeanEgg]

Also, the ash could result in health issues which is another reason why all air traffic has been suspended.

A next review is at 6PM, everything could resume either today or tomorrow.


The Volcano is called; Eyjafjallajokull

LOOOOL I had to google that. :(

[Eyan]

Also, the ash could result in health issues which is another reason why all air traffic has been suspended.

A next review is at 6PM, everything could resume either today or tomorrow.

Okay :S Sounds Good . . . :L

[GommeInc]

I was going to say... If it was weather related then why is it so nice outside? I completely forgot about the volcano! I thought it was a theory it would erupt within the next few years.

[dogboy123]

This is gonna be really bad in the long run. Then again as someone said its better than having all planes crashing

[xxMATTGxx]

Oh and if everyone think this is OTT for shutting it etc. Then I will tell you that ash is very dangerous for the aircraft, a British Airways plane lost all four engines while flying inside an ash cloud once.

Manchester Airport seems to have been affected since around 7am this morning with tons of flights being cancelled.

[BeanEgg]

haah Navy Sea King just landed near me as it's the only suitable aircraft apparently.
and I'm in central London!

[Blinger1]

Oh and if everyone think this is OTT for shutting it etc. Then I will tell you that ash is very dangerous for the aircraft, a British Airways plane lost all four engines while flying inside an ash cloud once.

Manchester Airport seems to have been affected since around 7am this morning with tons of flights being cancelled.
I remember watching an Aeroplane Crash Investigation show once where that happened..

Sucks to be flying in or out of the UK right now.

[GommeInc]

Oh and if everyone think this is OTT for shutting it etc. Then I will tell you that ash is very dangerous for the aircraft, a British Airways plane lost all four engines while flying inside an ash cloud once.
Indeed, flying into any sort of solids is dangerous. Volcanic glass, birds and even cliff sides. Engines just weren't created for anything but air :P

[Catzsy]

Oh and if everyone think this is OTT for shutting it etc. Then I will tell you that ash is very dangerous for the aircraft, a British Airways plane lost all four engines while flying inside an ash cloud once.

Manchester Airport seems to have been affected since around 7am this morning with tons of flights being cancelled.

Just saw on the news that there are 25,000 people waiting at Manchester Airport!

[Nixt]

Just saw on the news that there are 25,000 people waiting at Manchester Airport!

I am really glad I am not going on holiday! It must be awful being sat around, I do feel sorry for those people.

[BeanEgg]

You should try Heathrow. :P
T3 was just closed which has caused so much chaos! Some people aren't even allowed inside to collect their luggage.
Surely it's safer inside? or than they not be assed to look after them?!

[xxMATTGxx]

Just saw on the news that there are 25,000 people waiting at Manchester Airport!

Yeah, I've been keeping up to date with them. Bad news for passengers, I just hope they realise it's better to be on the ground!


You should try Heathrow. :P
T3 was just closed which has caused so much chaos! Some people aren't even allowed inside to collect their luggage.
Surely it's safer inside? or than they not be assed to look after them?!

It's not affecting ground level of the UK at the moment, it is very high up for now.

[Accipiter]

the volcano isn't called Eyjafjallajokull, Eyjafjallajokull is the glacier it lay under, and my reaction to that name was, why the **** let kids hit keyboards.

My mam was due to fly back from spain today and her flight will have been cancelled @_@ & apparently the melting speed of the glacier is causing floods etc over there.

[Technologic]

There are reports coming in that people in Shetland can now smell sulphur.

[Titch]

I WAS MENT OT BE GOING SPAIN FOR A WEEKEND BLOODY ******S

my last bit of freedom since i go into navy

[BeanEgg]

Check this out: http://www.flightradar24.com/

Might be interesting for some; it shows where all the current aircraft are real time.

[Hiro]

Time to get my inhalers ready, just in case.

[xxMATTGxx]

Yeah BBC showed one of them, pretty cool stuff. Airspacw is now closed two most flights until 6pm


Check this out: http://www.flightradar24.com/

Might be interesting for some; it shows where all the current aircraft are real time.

[xzl.]

Theres a nice little diagram showing the extent of the ash coverage from 6.00 am this morning and that by the end of today it should engulf the entire nation apparently
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8621992.stm

[Meanies]

bbc also says 'Ash threat forces Great North Air Ambulance to be grounded'
going to be an even harder day for the ambulance & police people then

[Catzsy]

Time to get my inhalers ready, just in case.

That is just what I was thinking!

[Accipiter]

the ash will be far to diloutte by the time it reaches the ground to cause breathing problems, i don't see when the air ambulance has to be grounded it flys no were near the height of 20000ft.

[BeanEgg]

Call Signs in UK airspace @ 12:31
SAS944 Outbound
BAW256 Outbound
BAW156 Outbound
VIR64 Inbound Gatwick

These are the only aircraft at the moment in England, noone in Wales Scotland N. Ireland or Ireland

[Tintinnabulate]

Usually I see so many planes over Manchester. Not a single one today. All been cancelled.

[BeanEgg]

Only one plane in the UK now! @ 12:55:52
VKH702 - Viking Airlines
* Callsign: VKH702
* Reg: SE-RHV
* Hex: 4AC916
* Model: Boeing 737-36N (B733)
* Airline: Viking Airlines
* Lat: 51.12195
* Lon: -0.34971
* Alt: 1125 feet (343 m)
* Speed: 149 knots
(276 km/h / 171 mph)
* Track: 82°

[Tintinnabulate]

Only one plane in the UK now! @ 12:55:52
VKH702 - Viking Airlines
* Callsign: VKH702
* Reg: SE-RHV
* Hex: 4AC916
* Model: Boeing 737-36N (B733)
* Airline: Viking Airlines
* Lat: 51.12195
* Lon: -0.34971
* Alt: 1125 feet (343 m)
* Speed: 149 knots
(276 km/h / 171 mph)
* Track: 82°

How do you get these info?

[BeanEgg]

http://www.flightradar24.com/

[xxMATTGxx]

http://i42.tinypic.com/s3g8si.png

[scott]

Earlier the amount of aeroplanes on that, that was turning away from the UK surprised none of them were hitting each other

[Tintinnabulate]

http://www.flightradar24.com/

Hmm there must be a huge delay on that as surely it cant be legal to post live info :S

One plane near London now. Seems like its just taken off.

TWF63

* Callsign: TWF63
* Flightnr:
* Reg: G-JBIS
* Hex: 40111E
* Model: Cessna 550 (C550)
* Airline: 247 Jet
* Lat: 51.32602
* Lon: 0.13881
* Alt: 1750 feet (533 m)
* Speed: 154 knots
(285 km/h / 177 mph)
* Track: 103°
* Radar: NET2

[xxMATTGxx]

Earlier the amount of aeroplanes on that, that was turning away from the UK surprised none of them were hitting each other

That's why we have Air Traffic Controllers Mr. Dinasaw :P


Edit to the above: There will be delays on that website.

[Tintinnabulate]

That's why we have Air Traffic Controllers Mr. Dinasaw :P


Edit to the above: There will be delays on that website.

Still didnt think it would be legal to show alot of the planes over Europe.

[xxMATTGxx]

Still didnt think it would be legal to show alot of the planes over Europe.

Well it's not full on "illegal". You can buy a radarbox for like £300 and you can track aircraft from your location up to 300 NM which are sold in the UK.

[BeanEgg]

The information provided won't harm anyone so I can't see why it would be illegal.
But then terror threats - guess they don't see it as a threat.

[Tintinnabulate]

Wouldn't be surprised if terrorists had that website as their homepage.

[BeanEgg]

LOL! But the thing is there isn't any restricted information on it.

[Nixt]

Terrorists don't really have the capability to take planes out from the sky - there isn't much of a risk? :P

[xxMATTGxx]

Terrorists don't really have the capability to take planes out from the sky - there isn't much of a risk? :P

That's what I was thinking to be honest.

[scott]

That's why we have Air Traffic Controllers Mr. Dinasaw :P


Edit to the above: There will be delays on that website.

inoinoino! Would hate to have their job (yn)

[BeanEgg]

Terrorists don't really have the capability to take planes out from the sky - there isn't much of a risk? :P

Exactly. :P

Unlikely someone will sell them surface to air missiles ;P

Or even air to air missiles! :eusa_thin

[xxMATTGxx]

Exactly. :P

Unlikely someone will sell them surface to air missiles ;P

Or even air to air missiles! :eusa_thin

If they did then our "Anti-Terrorist" units and any other units that stop such things haven't done a good job.

[cocaine]

one a/c passing overhead shoreham @ 2,000 feet

http://www.heathrowcam.net/RadarImage%5CR24437.gif

interesting? UK airspace closed at 1200Z, netherlands, belgium and northern germany airspace expected to close later too

edit; now it seems to be turning to leave?

http://www.heathrowcam.net/RadarImage%5CR24440.gif

[xxMATTGxx]

one a/c passing overhead shoreham @ 2,000 feet

http://www.heathrowcam.net/RadarImage%5CR24437.gif

interesting? UK airspace closed at 1200Z, netherlands, belgium and northern germany airspace expected to close later too

edit; now it seems to be turning to leave?

http://www.heathrowcam.net/RadarImage%5CR24440.gif

TWF63 is some Cessna aircraft. Not sure where that is doing though.

[BeanEgg]

Probably is a Cessna; it's only going at 139 knots.

[cocaine]

TWF63 is some Cessna aircraft. Not sure where that is doing though.


Probably is a Cessna; it's only going at 139 knots.

tis a cessna 550, its landed now at shoreham

[xxMATTGxx]

Probably is a Cessna; it's only going at 139 knots.

If the info is correct above then this is the aircraft.

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/GImages/G-JBIS001.jpg

[Special]

kinda feel bad for the tourists, i know what it's like to be stuck in a que for hours :(

[xxMATTGxx]

kinda feel bad for the tourists, i know what it's like to be stuck in a que for hours :(

Yeah, I feel bad for the people who live in Iceland more really. They are being affected worst then us with floods and other issues it's causing.

[Mathew]

the volcano isn't called Eyjafjallajokull, Eyjafjallajokull is the glacier it lay under, and my reaction to that name was, why the **** let kids hit keyboards.

I thought they'd just made it up as a joke at first.. LOL!


I remember watching an Aeroplane Crash Investigation show once where that happened..

Sucks to be flying in or out of the UK right now.
I saw that investigation!! They're really intresting when it gives facts about how long people need to get out of a plane and stuff. It would never be that easy if it really happened :P

Anyway right now, I'm in a hotel room in Florida waiting to go out. Funnily enough, we are "due" to fly home to England tomorrow. We're flying to Heathrow quite late tomorrow so hopefully everything should be back to normal.
There's going to be a lot of stressed people about their cancelled flights. I just wish they'd realise their flights are cancelled to save lives.

Just reading that it's the biggest shutdown since the Second World War . Spooky?

[cocaine]

According to the press release from Eurocontrol the airspace of the following countries is closed or will be closed:

- United Kingdom
- Ireland
- Denmark
- Norway
- Sweden
- Belgium

It is expected that also the airspace of the following countries will be closed (partially or completely):

- Germany
- The Netherland
- Luxemburg

[xxMATTGxx]

I thought they'd just made it up as a joke at first.. LOL!


I saw that investigation!! They're really intresting when it gives facts about how long people need to get out of a plane and stuff. It would never be that easy if it really happened :P

Anyway right now, I'm in a hotel room in Florida waiting to go out. Funnily enough, we are "due" to fly home to England tomorrow. We're flying to Heathrow quite late tomorrow so hopefully everything should be back to normal.
There's going to be a lot of stressed people about their cancelled flights. I just wish they'd realise their flights are cancelled to save lives.

Just reading that it's the biggest shutdown since the Second World War . Spooky?

You do know them investigations are based on real accidents and so on? All of them are real but made so people like us can watch them and see what happens. :P

[BeanEgg]

Aircraft changed direction once again. o.o

[cocaine]

Aircraft changed direction once again. o.o

its a VFR aircraft, they're allowed to operate at their own risk. atc is zero in the UK so all ifr (normal planes) there is no service

IN ACCORDANCE WITH ICAO VOLCANIC ASH CONTINGENCY PLAN,
NO IFR CLEARANCE WILL BE ISSUED FOR PENETRATION OF THE FORECAST
CONTAMINATED AREA THAT LIES WITHIN UK AIRSPACE.
CREATED: 15 Apr 2010 07:53:00
SOURCE: EUECYIYN

[BeanEgg]

Oh OK, that explains it then

[cocaine]

haha i thought it had landed, my bad. maybe its just doing a few circuits or something.

[dbgtz]

What will happen to the ash could? Will it just eventually fall?

[xxMATTGxx]

Statement on Icelandic volcanic eruption: Thurs April 15, 14:00

The cloud of volcanic ash is now spread across the UK and continuing to travel south. In line with international civil aviation policy, no flights other than agreed emergencies are currently permitted in UK controlled airspace. Following a review of the latest Met Office information, NATS advises that these restrictions will remain in place in UK controlled airspace until 0600 tomorrow, Friday 16 April, at the earliest. We will review further Met Office information and at 2000 today (local) we will advise the arrangements that will be in place through to 1200 tomorrow.

We continue to work closely with airports, airlines, and the rest of Europe to understand and mitigate the implications of the volcanic eruption.

[Judge Judy]

Twitter is a little busy with #ashtag most popular retweet I've found is this:

RT @Littlesapling (http://twitter.com/Littlesapling): Dear Iceland, we said 'send Cash' can't you read?. #ashtag (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23ashtag)
Humourous I must say.

[dbgtz]

made me lol :L

[Titch]

Twitter is a little busy with #ashtag most popular retweet I've found is this:

Humourous I must say.

they stole that off flightradar24 thingy cus theres says, dear iceland send cash, not ash!

[xxMATTGxx]

Note: Since the aviation world use ZULU and so does NATS the time is 07:00am in BST times.

[Judge Judy]

they stole that off flightradar24 thingy cus theres says, dear iceland send cash, not ash!
Stolen or not, the idea of Retweeting is to spread the word/start a trend. It's clearly working :P

[Hitman]

Surely this could go on for ages? Me and a friend were looking today, some volcanos spew out ash for days, weeks, months and even years. If this kept spewing out ash for months then we'd be stuffed. Is it a small volcano and do they know when it'll stop?

[xxMATTGxx]

Surely this could go on for ages? Me and a friend were looking today, some volcanos spew out ash for days, weeks, months and even years. I this kept spewing out ash for months then we'd be stuffed. Is it a small volcano and do they know when it'll stop?

They mentioned that before because some can last for years. No one knows for sure when it will stop exactly, everyone is hoping soon but they aren't sure.

[Hitman]

They mentioned that before because some can last for years. No one knows for sure when it will stop exactly, everyone is hoping soon but they aren't sure.
Yeah, hopefully it stops. Imagine if it lasted for a month or a year... o_o it'd suck so much. Maybe they'd try to make special planes.

[-:Undertaker:-]

As usual the nanny state kicks in and goes completely over the top.

Global Warming, Climate Change, Swine Flu and killer volcanos, one thing is for sure and that is that we are all going to die!!1!!

[xxMATTGxx]

As usual the nanny state kicks in and goes completely over the top.

Global Warming, Climate Change, Swine Flu and killer volcanos, one thing is for sure and that is that we are all going to die!!1!!

Don't even start. Do you even know what ash can do? You might want to watch: Air Crash Investigation/Mayday: All Engines Failed, you can watch it on youtube. That is why the airspace is closed, its a major problem to jet engines. NAT's would NOT close the airspace for nothing. <_<

[Luke]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8NL6De-yuI

[Recursion]

Don't even start. Do you even know what ash can do? You might want to watch: Air Crash Investigation/Mayday: All Engines Failed, you can watch it on youtube. That is why the airspace is closed, its a major problem to jet engines. NAT's would NOT close the airspace for nothing. <_<


Tis true ya know.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Don't even start. Do you even know what ash can do? You might want to watch: Air Crash Investigation/Mayday: All Engines Failed, you can watch it on youtube. That is why the airspace is closed, its a major problem to jet engines. NAT's would NOT close the airspace for nothing. <_<

I do know what ash can do and how it can effect planes, however I can not see any need for alarm although i've just seen a aerial photograph and it is heading our way it appears. Although in relation to closing airports, they aren't exactly the best in the world; remember they closed the airports and grounded flights because of some snow?

[xxMATTGxx]

I do know what ash can do and how it can effect planes, however I can not see any need for alarm although i've just seen a aerial photograph and it is heading our way it appears. Although in relation to closing airports, they aren't exactly the best in the world; remember they closed the airports and grounded flights because of some snow?

If I remember correctly it wasn't NAT's who ordered the airports to close down. (Regarding the snow)

More like the airports and airlines themselves! Airports are not fully closed, they have banned any IFR traffic from coming in and going out, they are still open for emergency reasons.

[Luke]

There aint much use in having an airport open if there's no traffic..

[-:Undertaker:-]

If I remember correctly it wasn't NAT's who ordered the airports to close down. (Regarding the snow)

More like the airports and airlines themselves! Airports are not fully closed, they have banned any IFR traffic from coming in and going out, they are still open for emergency reasons.

I don't recall saying it was NAT's (whatever that agency is) who closed the airports, i'm making the point that i'm sceptical over issues such as this because in the past we have had the shameful 'elf and safety restrictions imposed which left us the laughing stock of the world.

[Luke]

It isn't jsut the Uk that has closed airports, Norway, Sweden etc have closed as well.

[xxMATTGxx]

I don't recall saying it was NAT's (whatever that agency is) who closed the airports, i'm making the point that i'm sceptical over issues such as this because in the past we have had shameful elf and safety imposed which left us the laughing stock of the world.

NAT'S is the Natioanl Air Traffic Services and it manages the ATC over the United Kingdom. We are not the only country who have closed airports or airspace. NAT's would not close airspace for nothing when its a billion poind industry!

And if anyone says they don't know anything. Of course they do, they manage millions of planes all the time!


Edit: If you know what ash can do to aircraft, then you would know why the airspace is closed.

[-:Undertaker:-]

NAT'S is the Natioanl Air Traffic Services and it manages the ATC over the United Kingdom. We are not the only country who have closed airports or airspace. NAT's would not close airspace for nothing when its a billion poind industry!

And if anyone says they don't know anything. Of course they do, they manage millions of planes all the time!

Edit: If you know what ash can do to aircraft, then you would know why the airspace is closed.

As I added to my earlier post, I just looked at the satelitte photos and said that I can see the ash is coming over the British Isles so I can see why they are closed. In regards to the aviation industry; it ground to a halt when we had a few centimetres of snow and was a shambles and I expect the reason why they feel the need to close or stop running (during snow conditions) is because they are under the fear of the health and safety brigade coming down on them like a tonne of bricks as they do with the smallest of things these days. That is why at first I was sceptical. :)

[Inseriousity.]

lol saw the thread title and thought it was another anti-Labour thread :P

Mother Nature always wins...

[Titch]

As I added to my earlier post, I just looked at the satelitte photos and said that I can see the ash is coming over the British Isles so I can see why they are closed. In regards to the aviation industry; it ground to a halt when we had a few centimetres of snow and was a shambles and I expect the reason why they feel the need to close or stop running (during snow conditions) is because they are under the fear of the health and safety brigade coming down on them like a tonne of bricks as they do with the smallest of things these days. That is why at first I was sceptical. :)

they close during snow because out airports and runways are now 100% equiped to deal with it so rather than seeing planes crash they do the correct thing, UK useally doesnt get alot of snow so its not a problem, i am sure the more and more snow we get each year the better we will get at handling like other places

[cocaine]

As usual the nanny state kicks in and goes completely over the top.

Global Warming, Climate Change, Swine Flu and killer volcanos, one thing is for sure and that is that we are all going to die!!1!!

heres to arguing points you know nothing about!
ash can give aircraft great difficulty, as once the ash enters its fans, can clog up and cause the engines to fail. what happens when the engine fails? the plane comes down.

so of course this is just another implementation from the government to wrap us up in cotton woo- oh.. no, wait it's actually saving lives.

[Hitman]

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/1050314/1/.html

"It is very variable how long these eruptions last - anywhere from a few days to over a year," Magnus Tumi Gudmundsson, a professor of geophysics and civil protection advisor, told AFP. "Judging from the intensity of this one, it could last a long time," he added.

Hope not.

[xxMATTGxx]

As I added to my earlier post, I just looked at the satelitte photos and said that I can see the ash is coming over the British Isles so I can see why they are closed. In regards to the aviation industry; it ground to a halt when we had a few centimetres of snow and was a shambles and I expect the reason why they feel the need to close or stop running (during snow conditions) is because they are under the fear of the health and safety brigade coming down on them like a tonne of bricks as they do with the smallest of things these days. That is why at first I was sceptical. :)

I do agree some cases they did go a bit OTT regarding airports closing when we had snow. Although in this matter, I strongly agree with NAT's decision regarding such matter. But at least you checked the satellite images and seen it for yourself. Unlike other people on different forums! :(

[-:Undertaker:-]

they close during snow because out airports and runways are now 100% equiped to deal with it so rather than seeing planes crash they do the correct thing, UK useally doesnt get alot of snow so its not a problem, i am sure the more and more snow we get each year the better we will get at handling like other places

Canada and the United States manage pretty well with awful weather conditions yet the United Kingdom seems to grind to a halt with a few centimetres of snow. As Matt agrees, its over the top when it comes to the snow issue because other nations manage just fine even in much worse conditions than anything the UK experiences.


heres to arguing points you know nothing about!
ash can give aircraft great difficulty, as once the ash enters its fans, can clog up and cause the engines to fail. what happens when the engine fails? the plane comes down.

so of course this is just another implementation from the government to wrap us up in cotton woo- oh.. no, wait it's actually saving lives.

I just admitted that theres an ash cloud coming to the United Kingdom and said that I was at first sceptical because usually when it comes to aviation, they are under immense pressure not to fly because of health and safety fears. In future, it helps to read my posts before commenting.

[xxMATTGxx]

Canada and the United States manage pretty well with awful weather conditions yet the United Kingdom seems to grind to a halt with a few centimetres of snow. As Matt agrees, its over the top when it comes to the snow issue because other nations manage just fine even in much worse conditions than anything the UK experiences.



I just admitted that theres an ash cloud coming to the United Kingdom and said that I was at first sceptical because usually when it comes to aviation, they are under immense pressure not to fly because of health and safety fears. In future, it helps to read my posts before commenting.

Regarding your first point. Yes we may not manage with heavy snow well regarding to the other countries, I know we don't for a fact. I was off college for an extra week due to it all. Although in some cases I guess it is better to be safe then sorry.

I do think the airports could do a better job in managing the snow on their grounds. But that is quite hard when the snow keeps falling heavy and once you have cleared the runway, its got snow on it again. The airspace in them days was still open, just problems on the ground halted flights from getting in and out.

-------

But the issue we have is not something we can manage or change. The winds are blowing it in this direction, mother nature doing what it does best! :P



http://listverse.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/bafs009.jpg

[hah]

I WAS MENT OT BE GOING SPAIN FOR A WEEKEND BLOODY ******S

my last bit of freedom since i go into navy

yeah im sure you were
and you can still go babe (thats if you're not lying) because they are reopen tomorrow :)

[xxMATTGxx]

NASA:

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/444587main1_icelandvolcano-20100615-670.jpg

The MODIS instrument on NASA's Terra satellite captured an Ash plume from Eyjafjallajokull Volcano over the North Atlantic at 11:35 UTC (7:35 a.m. EDT) on April 15, 2010. Credit: NASA/MODIS Rapid Response Team

[Hitman]

yeah im sure you were
and you can still go babe (thats if you're not lying) because they are reopen tomorrow :)
Might reopen, nothing is for sure because it could go on.

[hah]

http://RBGuides.com/screenshots/fcb24771.png

are the blue x's closed airports?

[xxMATTGxx]

http://RBGuides.com/screenshots/fcb24771.png

are the blue x's closed airports?

Edit: Scrap that. I think that's the places they are getting the data from.

[Yoshimitsui]

Wait untill tomorow when Europe get it and the they can't fly out back to the UK. It's going to cause a right mess.

[xxMATTGxx]

The cloud of volcanic ash continues to cover much of the UK. Following a review of the latest Met Office information, NATS advises that restrictions will remain in place in UK controlled airspace until 1300 (UK time) tomorrow, Friday 16 April, at the earliest.

However, flights from Northern Ireland and the Western Isles of Scotland to and from Glasgow, Edinburgh and Prestwick may be allowed in the period from 0100 (UK time) to 1300 (UK time) tomorrow subject to individual co-ordination. North Atlantic traffic to and from Edinburgh, Glasgow, Prestwick and Belfast may also be allowed in the period.

We will review further Met Office information and at 0230 (UK time) tomorrow we will advise the arrangements that will be in place through to 1800 (UK time) tomorrow. However be aware that the situation cannot be said to be improving with any certainty as the forecast affected area appears to be closing in from east to west. We continue to work closely with airports, airlines, and the rest of Europe to understand and mitigate the implications of the volcanic eruption.

From NATS.

[Titch]

yeah im sure you were
and you can still go babe (thats if you're not lying) because they are reopen tomorrow :)

Well i was i offered a flight for saturaday but no point going then so going butlins, dont forget they cant just say ok u cn go tomorrow or when it clears, cus there are tens of thousands of flights to be sorted. and i presume they will sort long haul flights first and cargo.

[-Heart]

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/04/fireball-lights-night-sky-over-5-midwest-states/1

We iz gown die *******.

[HotelUser]

Thanks Iceland, yet another way to screw us over!

Yeah, how dare Iceland have volcanic activity.

[xxMATTGxx]

Update from NATS:


Statement on Icelandic volcanic eruption: Friday April 16, 0230

The cloud of volcanic ash continues to cover much of the UK and the eruption in Iceland continues. Following a review of the latest Met Office information, NATS advises that restrictions will remain in place in UK controlled airspace until 1900 (UK time) today, Friday 16 April, at the earliest.

However, flights in Northern Ireland and the Western Isles of Scotland to and from Glasgow and Prestwick may be allowed up to 1300 (UK time) today, subject to individual co-ordination. North Atlantic traffic to and from Glasgow, Prestwick and Belfast may also be allowed over the same period. We will review further Met Office information and at 0830 (UK time) we will advise the arrangements that will be in place until 0100 (UK time) on Saturday, 17 April.

In general, the situation cannot be said to be improving with any certainty as the forecast affected area appears to be closing in from east to west. We continue to work closely with airports, airlines, and the rest of Europe to understand and mitigate the implications of the volcanic eruption.

[xxMATTGxx]

New Update that has just came in a few minutes ago from NATS:


Statement on Icelandic volcanic eruption: Friday April 16, 0830

The cloud of volcanic ash continues to cover much of the UK and the eruption in Iceland continues. Following a review of the latest Met Office information, NATS advises that restrictions preventing flights in English controlled airspace will remain in place until 0100 (UK time) tomorrow, Saturday 17 April, at the earliest.

Flights in Northern Ireland and the Western Isles of Scotland to and from Glasgow and Prestwick will continue to be allowed until 1900 (UK time) subject to individual co-ordination. North Atlantic traffic to and from Glasgow, Prestwick and Belfast may also be allowed in this period.

From 1900 (UK time), forecasts indicate that Scottish airspace may be able to accept domestic flights within Scotland and Northern/Southern Ireland, and North Atlantic flights to/from airports in Scotland and Northern Ireland.

We will review further Met Office information and at 1330 (UK time) we will advise further arrangements. In general, the situation is dynamic and subject to change.

We continue to work closely with airports, airlines, and the rest of Europe to understand and mitigate the implications of the volcanic eruption.

[Tintinnabulate]

Uh oh. 2 days of no flights in and out of the country. Not good.

[xxMATTGxx]

Uh oh. 2 days of no flights in and out of the country. Not good.

It will be costing the airlines millions. Even when the airspace is fully back open, there is gonna be a big backlog. :(

[lazerman]

Any chances of ash falling to the ground in south part of england?

[xxMATTGxx]

Any chances of ash falling to the ground in south part of england?

Haven't seen much regarding that apart from places in Scotland.

[Tintinnabulate]

I am hoping another volcano erupts and all flights till 25th April get canceled. Wont happen but I can only hope.

[xxMATTGxx]

I am hoping another volcano erupts and all flights till 25th April get canceled. Wont happen but I can only hope.

And why would you want this to happen?

[Mathew]

Just checked our flight home this morning and it's been cancelled.

Rung them up and the next flight they can get us on is on Tuesday. An extra 4 days in Orlando, yay!! :)
It will mean a connection in Atlanta, then another in Charles de Gaulle. Will be a long day, getting home about 10pm Wednesday night (school Thursday) but I suppose it has to be done.

I'm just happy to be here longer! :P

[xxMATTGxx]

NATS Update


Statement on Icelandic volcanic eruption: Friday April 16, 1445

The cloud of volcanic ash continues to move south through the UK and the eruption in Iceland continues.

Following a review of the latest Met Office information, NATS advises that restrictions preventing flights in controlled airspace over England and Wales will remain in place until 0700 (UK time) tomorrow, Saturday 17 April, at the earliest. From 1900 (UK time) today ATC restrictions will be lifted in a large part of Scottish airspace including Scottish airports, Shetland, Orkneys and also Northern Ireland.

On this basis, North Atlantic traffic can also operate to/from points in this airspace. Please note these arrangements do not mean that all flights will operate. Anyone hoping to travel today or tomorrow should contact their airline before going to the airport.

We are looking for opportunities when the ash cloud moves sufficient for us to enable some flights to operate under individual coordination with ATC. Some aircraft were able to operate at Manchester this morning, although restrictions are now reapplied to Manchester.

We hope there may be some opportunity from the north into Newcastle after 0100 (UK time) tomorrow - Saturday. We will review further Met Office information and at 2030 (UK time) we will advise further arrangements. In general, the situation is dynamic and subject to change.

We continue to work closely with airports, airlines, and the rest of Europe to understand and mitigate the implications of the volcanic eruption.

[Titch]

NATS Update

doesnt look to be getting better then

[xxMATTGxx]

doesnt look to be getting better then

Sure doesn't!

[cocaine]

doesnt look to be getting better then

yes it does? :S


From 1900 (UK time) today ATC restrictions will be lifted in a large part of Scottish airspace including Scottish airports, Shetland, Orkneys and also Northern Ireland.

wait actually. if its still erupting why are restrictions being lifted?

[xxMATTGxx]

yes it does? :S



wait actually. if its still erupting why are restrictions being lifted?

The wind could be moving it a different way. But England is still pretty much buggered.

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Flight Simulator Shows What Conditions Would Be Like Flying Through Volcanic Ash


http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/flight-simulator-shows-what-condition-would-be-like-flying-through-volcanic-ash-041610

[Smits]

Lucky people wo get an extended holiday. It's cause havoc though.

[cocaine]

my friends due to play orlando - heathrow today. but he has to get a plane from orlando - glasgow (because of the lifted atc restrictions on scotland but not england) and get a 7 hour coach journey down to london

[Technologic]

Its not getting better really, its just the wings sort of now missing scotland, bringing it down through the north sea and then backwards across the south and midlands from the east.

[Fez]

My stepfather can't come back until Wednesday. Way they organised it all.

[Hitman]

I actually saw some of the ash this morning. The sky cleared up and there was a sort of faint glowing orange line in the sky which was quite wide. Gone now I think.

[Stefy09]

NATS Update


Statement on Icelandic volcanic eruption: Friday April 16, 1445

The cloud of volcanic ash continues to move south through the UK and the eruption in Iceland continues.

Following a review of the latest Met Office information, NATS advises that restrictions preventing flights in controlled airspace over England and Wales will remain in place until 0700 (UK time) tomorrow, Saturday 17 April, at the earliest. From 1900 (UK time) today ATC restrictions will be lifted in a large part of Scottish airspace including Scottish airports, Shetland, Orkneys and also Northern Ireland.

On this basis, North Atlantic traffic can also operate to/from points in this airspace. Please note these arrangements do not mean that all flights will operate. Anyone hoping to travel today or tomorrow should contact their airline before going to the airport.

We are looking for opportunities when the ash cloud moves sufficient for us to enable some flights to operate under individual coordination with ATC. Some aircraft were able to operate at Manchester this morning, although restrictions are now reapplied to Manchester.

We hope there may be some opportunity from the north into Newcastle after 0100 (UK time) tomorrow - Saturday. We will review further Met Office information and at 2030 (UK time) we will advise further arrangements. In general, the situation is dynamic and subject to change.

We continue to work closely with airports, airlines, and the rest of Europe to understand and mitigate the implications of the volcanic eruption.

Amazing how they could predict such an event from that time in history!

[xxMATTGxx]

NATS UPDATE


Statement on Icelandic volcanic eruption: Friday April 16, 2045

The volcanic ash cloud continues to affect UK airspace. Following the latest update from the Met Office, NATS advises that the restrictions currently in place across UK controlled airspace will remain in place until at least 1300 (UK time) on Saturday April 17.

There are currently no airspace restrictions in Scotland, Northern Ireland and in an area over the North Sea that includes the Shetlands and Orkney Isles. Manchester, Liverpool and all airports North of those may be available from 0400 (UK time) – 1000 (UK time) for departures to and arrivals from the North and West subject to individual co-ordination. However, please be advised that the situation is continuously changing. Forecasts indicate that the ash cloud is expected to return over Northern England at 1000 (UK time) and it is likely that restrictions will be reintroduced.

Please note these arrangements do not mean that all flights will operate. Anyone hoping to travel today or tomorrow should contact their airline before going to the airport.

We are looking for opportunities when the ash cloud moves sufficiently for us to enable some flights to operate under individual coordination with ATC.

We will review further Met Office information and at 0900 (UK time) on Saturday we will advise further arrangements.

We continue to work closely with airports, airlines, and the rest of Europe to understand and mitigate the implications of the volcanic eruption.

[Stefy09]

I would be too scared to fly as soon as it opens again

[Con]

Lucky people wo get an extended holiday. It's cause havoc though.
Not really lucky :( Costs so much really :P
My mum and sister are stuck in italy. And the way the cloud is apparently moving, it's gonna head towards italy :rolleyes: so I don't think they'll be coming back for a while :rolleyes:

[Stefy09]

isn't that good?

[Con]

isn't that good?

not really? If people are stuck somewhere, they will have to pay a LOT of money for hotel rooms, food etc. that they weren't prepared to pay for in the first place, and some people have work/school/etc. on moday again, so yeah...not really a good thing :P

[Stefy09]

Yo if my sister got stuck in another country then I'd be laughing

[Inseriousity.]

^^ hehe same. peace and quiet, woohoo.

[xxMATTGxx]

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Scandinavian airline SAS warned it would temporarily lay off up to 2,500 employees in Norway starting Monday if flights halted due to a giant cloud of volcanic ash remained on the ground. Skip related content

"We have today warned 2,500 employees there could be temporary lay-offs. A final decision will be made on Monday," SAS spokeswoman Elisabeth Manzy told AFP late Friday.

Only employees in Norway had received the warning because Norwegian law requires two days of advanced notice in these cases, she said, adding that workers in Sweden and Denmark would be notified later since laws there were different.

"We can't fly. Our entire fleet is on the ground ... There is nothing for them to do," Manzy explained.

All SAS flights in the company's hub cities Copenhagen, Oslo and Stockholm have been cancelled until Saturday at 1500 GMT at the earliest, "but everything could still be closed on Monday," she said.

All employees hit by the temporary lay-off would get their job back once flights were back in the air, Manzy said.

The lay-offs "will last only as long as this extraordinary situation is happening," she said.

SAS cancelled 742 flights on Friday, grounding all but a few flights in the north of Norway, where services restarted at a very slow pace.

The company has refused to say how much the volcano blast had cost it but according to Danish Boarding.dk, a specialised air travel news site, SAS was losing around 120 million Danish kroner (16 million euros, 22 million dollars) per day.

Millions of passengers remained stranded across Europe after a huge cloud of ash from a volcano eruption that began in Iceland on Wednesday swept across Europe, grounding thousands of flights in the biggest air travel shutdown since World War II.


Not good news at all!

[xxMATTGxx]

Saturday April 17: Latest update at 0415 (UK Time)

Following the latest information from the MET Office, NATS advises that restrictions across UK controlled airspace have been extended until at least 1900 (UK Time) today Saturday 17 April and that restrictions to Scottish and Manchester airspace have been re-applied until the same time.

Current forecasts show that the situation is worsening throughout Saturday. We are continuing to look for windows of opportunity to handle individual flights in UK controlled airspace.

The next update will be at approximately 0900 (UK time) as planned.

[Titch]

i can see this going on for a few weeks tbh

[xxMATTGxx]

i can see this going on for a few weeks tbh

Yeah and if it carries on Airlines are going to struggle big time.

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Statement on Icelandic volcanic eruption: Saturday April 17, 0830

The volcanic ash cloud from Iceland is moving around and changing shape. Based on the latest information from the Met Office, NATS advises that the restrictions currently in place across UK controlled airspace will remain in place until at least 0100 (UK time) tomorrow, Sunday 18 April.

We are looking for opportunities when the ash cloud moves sufficiently for us to make some airspace available within Scotland and Northern Ireland, which may enable some domestic flights to operate under individual coordination with ATC; we will be coordinating this closely with airlines and airports. It is most unlikely that many flights will operate today and anyone hoping to travel should contact their airline before travelling to the airport.

We will continue to monitor Met Office information and review our arrangements in line with that. We will advise further arrangements at approximately 1500 (UK time).


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[Hitman]

New types of engine should be made that can fly through the ash. It will be possible. Expensive and time consuming but possible. This could potentially go on for years - although the chances are very low for years, but weeks or months is not out the window.

It's not good at all. Sometimes it's exciting when there's some big thing happening, but this is quite annoying if it continues.

[xxMATTGxx]

New types of engine should be made that can fly through the ash. It will be possible. Expensive and time consuming but possible. This could potentially go on for years - although the chances are very low for years, but weeks or months is not out the window.

It's not good at all. Sometimes it's exciting when there's some big thing happening, but this is quite annoying if it continues.


Hmm but not only the engines. The whole airframe, cockpit windows and so on.

[Inseriousity.]

Hmm but not only the engines. The whole airframe, cockpit windows and so on.

If that's the case then surely even 'emergency' flights are in danger too!! What's an example of an emergency flight cos it'd have to be huge to risk that?!!

[Titch]

well we wont see gary linkier on match of day this weekend, steve bennet wont be reffering the manchester derby today, the queen and prince charles wont be attending the polish guys funeral, ice hockey champions have been delayed by 1 day for travel, no eddie jordan for f1 this weekend, tis really screwing plp over

[xxMATTGxx]

If that's the case then surely even 'emergency' flights are in danger too!! What's an example of an emergency flight cos it'd have to be huge to risk that?!!

They would have to come in much lower, that is why VFR traffic is allowed. But you can't just do this for all of the traffic, jet engines are made to have maximum performance at high altitude. So planes flying lower = burn loads of fuel.

Emergency flights > Low on fuel, medical emergencies. Although I doubt there will be much of them now since everyone knows that the airspace is restricted so Atlantic crossing's won't even be made to fly over the UK and parts of Europe.

[PaulMacC]

Damn, I have a lot of stuff in the post coming from England :[

[BeanEgg]

Ouch! I can see a massive ash cloud now in the distance! About 15 miles long, could be longer though!

[Titch]

was a beautiful sunrise this morning! least its good for one thing!

[Hitman]

No clouds in the sky, beautiful morning! Although looking into the sky now I can see a very faint haze, possibly the ash?

[triston220]

New update, all UK airspace is closed till tomorrow at current.

[alexxxxx]

my grandad's stuck in amsterdam - not the first time someone's had to stay in amsterdam because of the 'ash. ;)

[Hitman]

my grandad's stuck in amsterdam - not the first time someone's had to stay in amsterdam because of the 'ash. ;)
Aha good one. ;) :P

[GommeInc]

my grandad's stuck in amsterdam - not the first time someone's had to stay in amsterdam because of the 'ash. ;)
Oooh, that was terrible ;)

Apparently some flights maybe sent to France and then shipped to here. My auntie is in Spain and is set to come Tuesday (if the ash disappears and they can fly).

[xxMATTGxx]

Oooh, that was terrible ;)

Apparently some flights maybe sent to France and then shipped to here. My auntie is in Spain and is set to come Tuesday (if the ash disappears and they can fly).

When are they thinking of doing that? I'm guessing not at the moment due to:


EuroControl:

No landings and take offs are possible for civilian aircraft across most of northern and central Europe . This includes Austria, Belgium, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Northern France, most of Germany, Hungary, Ireland, northern Italy, the Netherlands, southern Norway, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland and the UK. In some of these areas the upper airspace has been made available, depending on the observed and forecasted area of ash contamination. However, it is difficult to access this airspace as in most cases the surrounding area is not available for flights.

[cocaine]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs416.snc3/25110_385186396465_599326465_4413918_1364961_n.jpg

wow haha

[Tintinnabulate]

Realistically, what are the chances of this lasting for another week?

BREAKING NEWS:

UK flight restrictions extended until seven o'clock on Sunday morning

[xxMATTGxx]

Statement on Icelandic volcanic eruption: Saturday April 17, 1445

The volcanic ash cloud from Iceland is moving around and changing shape. Based on the latest information from the Met Office, NATS advises that the restrictions currently in place across UK controlled airspace will remain in place until at least 0700 (UK time) tomorrow, Sunday 18 April.

There may be some airspace available within Scotland, Northern Ireland and England north of Leeds up till 1900 (UK time), which may enable some domestic flights to operate under individual coordination with ATC. We will be coordinating this closely with airlines and airports. We would repeat, it is most unlikely that many flights will operate today and anyone hoping to travel should contact their airline before travelling to the airport. After 1900 (UK time), Met Office forecasts show the ash cloud progressively covering the whole of the UK.

We will continue to monitor Met Office information and review our arrangements in line with that. We will advise further arrangements at approximately 2100 (UK time), today.

[cocaine]

Realistically, what are the chances of this lasting for another week?

BREAKING NEWS:

UK flight restrictions extended until seven o'clock on Sunday morning


The last time this volcano erupted (1923 i believe) it lasted over a year - so who knows.

[xxMATTGxx]

The last time this volcano erupted (1923 i believe) it lasted over a year - so who knows.

1823 :P


Over the past 1,100 years, Eyjafjallajökull has erupted four times: in 920, 1612, between 1821–1823, and in 2010.

[cocaine]

1823 :P

ahh it was 50/50 between 1823 and 1923, i remembered there was a '23' somewhere it from where i read it on a.net yesterday :P

[Hitman]

Wow hardly any planes flying over Europe!

[Tintinnabulate]

The last time this volcano erupted (1923 i believe) it lasted over a year - so who knows.

I dont understand how it could have affected them much in 1823. Surely they didnt have the technology to see the ash travelling. So how can they say it lasted a year :S Confused.

But this wont help the economy one bit. I feel sorry for small businesses whose owners went on holiday and cant get back.

[Titch]

if this goes on for more than 1month we will see airlines going bust/.

EDIT: To dander, they mean the eruption lastest a year, Like it pumped out lava and ash for a year

[cocaine]

I dont understand how it could have affected them much in 1823. Surely they didnt have the technology to see the ash travelling. So how can they say it lasted a year :S Confused.

But this wont help the economy one bit. I feel sorry for small businesses whose owners went on holiday and cant get back.

because people live in iceland

[Tintinnabulate]

if this goes on for more than 1month we will see airlines going bust/.

EDIT: To dander, they mean the eruption lastest a year, Like it pumped out lava and ash for a year

Oh right. But yeah, small airlines could easily go bankrupt.

http://i44.tinypic.com/14bl1l3.png


because people live in iceland

I meant the other countries ... :rolleyes:

[cocaine]

I meant the other countries ... :rolleyes:

because records would have been passed between countries? oh however did people communicate before the telephone :rolleyes:

[Meanies]

cba to read back and see if someones already said it but on the news yesterday some guy said theres another volcano near it and in the past when the one thats caused all the problems now (not even gna attempt the name), the one near it has also erupted. so like, might be worse

[xxMATTGxx]

if this goes on for more than 1month we will see airlines going bust/.

EDIT: To dander, they mean the eruption lastest a year, Like it pumped out lava and ash for a year

It will. Most likely the smaller airlines will go first then depending how long this will last I won't be surprised if a big airline started going down. Hopefully it will start clearing up next week like some people are suggesting it will.



cba to read back and see if someones already said it but on the news yesterday some guy said theres another volcano near it and in the past when the one thats caused all the problems now (not even gna attempt the name), the one near it has also erupted. so like, might be worse


Each of the first three of these incidents directly preceded a major eruption in the nearby subglacial volcano, Katla. There is so far no evidence that Katla will erupt because of its vicinity to the current eruption in Eyjafjallajökull. Katla, which is a much more active volcano, known for its powerful subglacial eruptions and its large magma chamber, much larger than that of the Eyjafjallajökull volcano system, has still not shown any unusual activity, like expansion of the crust or seismic activity. However, one cannot rule out that possibility, since history has shown that Eyjafjallajökull can be a precursor to additional Katla activity. Some geophysicists in Iceland support the notion that the recent volcanic eruption at Eyjafjallajökull may trigger a second eruption at Katla, which would cause major flooding due to melting of glacial ice.

[Tintinnabulate]

because records would have been passed between countries? oh however did people communicate before the telephone :rolleyes:

I meant it wouldnt have affected other countries much.
Is that so hard to understand? :rolleyes:

[cocaine]

I meant it wouldnt have affected other countries much.
Is that so hard to understand? :rolleyes:

well it obviously didn't did it? what could have possibly been disrupted? i said it lasted a year, i didnt say it disrupted daily life in 1823 :S

[Tintinnabulate]

well it obviously didn't did it? what could have possibly been disrupted? i said it lasted a year, i didnt say it disrupted daily life in 1823 :S

I was asking about the ash cloud over Europe not the volcano. Gosh some people really lack common sense.
I was merely asking, don't know why you feel the need to be so argumentative. Guess its in some peoples nature to act hard.

[cocaine]

I was asking about the ash cloud over Europe not the volcano. Gosh some people really lack common sense.
I was merely asking, don't know why you feel the need to be so argumentative. Guess its in some peoples nature to act hard.

perhaps if you had liked to have made the actual question clearer instead of asking two things in one sentence then we'd have got along just fine. and honey, im not trying to act hard to impress you, don't flatter yourself.

[Tintinnabulate]

perhaps if you had liked to have made the actual question clearer instead of asking two things in one sentence then we'd have got along just fine. and honey, im not trying to act hard to impress you, don't flatter yourself.

or maybe you could have asked me to rephrase it ...
hard as in OMGZ I AM E-COOL. I AM BETTER THAN U. pathetic.

[cocaine]

or maybe you could have asked me to rephrase it ...
hard as in OMGZ I AM E-COOL. I AM BETTER THAN U. pathetic.

common sense denoted that the question was "So how can they say it lasted a year". and don't get in a strop because you didn't make your question clear enough :S

[Hitman]

Guys chill out. Dander we had a 'run in' before so I didn't really want to comment, seeing as we 'made up'. It's just a forum guys chillllllllllllllllllllllllll and enjoy the sunshine!

[Nixt]

Hey ladies shall we stop throwing our toys out of the pram because I quite like this thread - it's very interesting and informative - and I don't want to close it. Ta.

How long do they think this is going to go on for, then? I know loads of people who are away because obviously it's been the Easter holidays and tings!

[Hitman]

Hey ladies shall we stop throwing our toys out of the pram because I quite like this thread - it's very interesting and informative - and I don't want to close it. Ta.

How long do they think this is going to go on for, then? I know loads of people who are away because obviously it's been the Easter holidays and tings!
I reckon it'll go on for another week or so and then the wind might change, but I think it'll be a big problem. Maybe it won't be though, I hope it isn't. It not only has an impact on airlines but also businesses...

Hey but at least Russia aren't flying over our airspace at the moment!

[Nixt]

I reckon it'll go on for another week or so and then the wind might change, but I think it'll be a big problem. Maybe it won't be though, I hope it isn't. It not only has an impact on airlines but also businesses...

Yeah well my mum's partner works for DHL and he said their warehouses in Bristol and London are filling up and there's obviously nowhere for anything to go because they can't fly it out of the country!

[cocaine]

my friend who was meant to come home last night (from orlando-glasgow instead of heathrow as scottish airspace was open, incidentally they were told it was the only flight going to britain that day) turned around after an hour because scottish airspace closed again. now they're being told they may be able to go to dublin on tuesday, where hes going to get the ferry to liverpool then drive home. ouch.

[Tintinnabulate]

Hey ladies shall we stop throwing our toys out of the pram because I quite like this thread - it's very interesting and informative - and I don't want to close it. Ta.

How long do they think this is going to go on for, then? I know loads of people who are away because obviously it's been the Easter holidays and tings!

Some say it will be over by Wednesday but God knows.


"This eruption started on 20 March," he said. "So in a sense it's been erupting already for almost a month.

"We will be watching the seismic activity because [from that] we will be able to see the predictions in changes in the behaviour of the volcano that will herald a increase or decrease in its activity."

And currently, there appears to be far less seismic activity in Iceland than in the days running up to Wednesday's eruption. This could mean that the worst is over.

But according to the most recent reports from the UK Met Office and the Icelandic Met Service, ash is now being released in pulses rather than a continuous plume.

[Hitman]

Yeah well my mum's partner works for DHL and he said their warehouses in Bristol and London are filling up and there's obviously nowhere for anything to go because they can't fly it out of the country!
Yeah it's not good. Just think, people who own businesses where they ship stuff via airmail won't be able to send goods, delivery companies (for overseas) won't be able to send stuff, imported food won't get here, etc. It really goes to show how much we rely on planes.

[Tintinnabulate]

Yeah it's not good. Just think, people who own businesses where they ship stuff via airmail won't be able to send goods, delivery companies (for overseas) won't be able to send stuff, imported food won't get here, etc. It really goes to show how much we rely on planes.

Forgot about imported food. Imagine running your own business, going on holiday and you can get back. Business wont be open so basically you aren't making any money.

[xxMATTGxx]

When such problems occur you just realise how important the aviation industry is in today's world. Then you have these green people having a party because there's no planes in the sky! Blah.

[Tintinnabulate]

Meteorologists say the ash cloud could remain over Europe for a further FIVE DAYS.

British Airways this morning cancelled all short-haul flights until Monday morning at the earliest.

And Thomson Airways, Ryanair and Flybe planes will remain grounded until Monday afternoon.


Its costing British and Irish airlines around £26-28 million per day.

[alexxxxx]

Gary Lineker was in the canary islands on holiday and managed to get a plane to Madrid, rented a car, drove to madrid through the night (12 hour drive) and then got on a train from Paris to London. That's what i call dedication.

[Hitman]

Forgot about imported food. Imagine running your own business, going on holiday and you can get back. Business wont be open so basically you aren't making any money.
Imported food is important! I want my Brazilian corned beef! :P But no imported foods means no [imported] foods in the shops, less business and less money. You are quite right though, those are also important.

[cocaine]

http://i40.tinypic.com/u6794.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/24m5lw9.jpg

[Hitman]

Stunning pictures, thanks for posting them... hope it clears up soon.

[xxMATTGxx]

Since there is free airspace some of the people have been taking advantage! :P

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_m_Sq-5fiago/S8nK3y0VYSI/AAAAAAAAAf8/BkG1byoQfZo/s800/Presentation3.jpg

[cocaine]

Since there is free airspace some of the people have been taking advantage! :P

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_m_Sq-5fiago/S8nK3y0VYSI/AAAAAAAAAf8/BkG1byoQfZo/s800/Presentation3.jpg

LOL. as VFR a/c are allowed to operate, does that mean you could fly into heathrow and do a few circuits as there'd be virtually no traffic at all!?

[xxMATTGxx]

LOL. as VFR a/c are allowed to operate, does that mean you could fly into heathrow and do a few circuits as there'd be virtually no traffic at all!?

They would have to accept it of course? I would laugh if there was planes doing touch and gos and all sorts at Heathrow though. Some airports have carried out work such as lightbulb replacements etc. :P

[cocaine]

They would have to accept it of course? I would laugh if there was planes doing touch and gos and all sorts at Heathrow though. Some airports have carried out work such as lightbulb replacements etc. :P

but if there are zero atc services - is that zero atc for IFR flights not VFR ones though?

[xxMATTGxx]

but if there are zero atc services - is that zero atc for IFR flights not VFR ones though?

Hmmm, suppose you are right. Although I heard some local ATC before at a local aerodrome. But I think Heathrow would be different, I haven't seen anywhere on the net that they have accepted any VFR.

[Hitman]

This is all Labour's fault! If Labour weren't in power there would be no volcano and no ash! ;)

[Tintinnabulate]

This is all Labour's fault! If Labour weren't in power there would be no volcano and no ash! ;)

Hahah I have been waiting for someone to blame Labour :P

[hah]

or maybe you could have asked me to rephrase it ...
hard as in OMGZ I AM E-COOL. I AM BETTER THAN U. pathetic.

seems like you're throwing a strop for no reason at all (or else because no one knows what you're saying/being proved wrong). Werent you complaint about peopl being childish the other day, and its not only matt, i still dont know what you mean by your question


Dunno if its being posted but the news said Irish airspace has been reopened

[xxMATTGxx]

seems like you're throwing a strop for no reason at all (or else because no one knows what you're saying/being proved wrong). Werent you complaint about peopl being childish the other day, and its not only matt, i still dont know what you mean by your question


Dunno if its being posted but the news said Irish airspace has been reopened

I can't seem to find it on Irish Aviation Authority.


"Restrictions in Irish Airspace extended to 1300 Sunday 18th April 2010"

[hah]

It was a radio channel lol, maybe they were wrong

[xxMATTGxx]

Statement on Icelandic volcanic eruption: Saturday April 17, 2045

The volcanic ash cloud from Iceland is moving around and changing shape. Based on the latest information from the Met Office, NATS advises that the restrictions currently in place across UK controlled airspace will remain in place until at least 1300 (UK time) tomorrow, Sunday 18 April.

We will continue to monitor Met Office information and review our arrangements in line with that. We will advise further arrangements at approximately 0300 (UK time), Sunday 18 April.

[dirrty]

eurgh i hope everything is fine by late wednesday/early thursday as my mums coming back :l

[joshuar]

My parents went away on Thursday, they were the last flight to leave Gatwick airport at 11:00am. Thank god, cause I love having the house to myself. But I know someone who is stranded abroad on a stretched credit card and he's been told he could be there for 3 weeks, and his visa expires tomorrow. Dunno what's gunna happen with him now. It's amazing how it's bringing not just the country, but Europe to it's knees. The rail and ferry industries have never been so popular.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47664000/gif/_47664299_03_17.04_1850_466.gif

This is the latest image of the ash, which has now covered the UK completley.

[Hitman]

Indeed Joshuar it's amazing.

Look at this guys: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/8627661.stm

Aviation experts: do you reckon the ash could have contributed?

[Stefy09]

How long did it go on for last time it erupted?

[Tintinnabulate]

How long did it go on for last time it erupted?

Last time it erupted in early 1800's so God knows.

[BeanEgg]

Not sure, but this one's been on for a nearly a month now.

[xxMATTGxx]

The volcanic ash cloud from Iceland shows continued and extensive cover of the UK. Based on the latest information from the Met Office, NATS advises that the restrictions currently in place across UK controlled airspace will remain in place until at least 1900 (UK time) today, Sunday April 18.

Next Update @ 9am.

[GoldenMerc]

Drove back from scotland at 10pm last night parents booked a flight back for monday, there still wondering how there getting home :P

[Tintinnabulate]

Next Update @ 9am.

Update at 0830

We are awaiting further information which means this morning’s update will be delayed a little.

We hope to be able to provide our next update shortly after 10am.

[xxMATTGxx]

Statement on Icelandic volcanic eruption: Sunday April 18, 1000

The volcanic ash cloud from Iceland is currently spread acoss the UK. Based on the latest information from the Met Office, NATS advises that the restrictions currently in place across UK controlled airspace will remain in place until at least 0100 (local time) tomorrow, Monday 19 April.

There may be limited opportunity in Orkney and Shetland from 1900 (local time) today for some flights to operate under individual coordination with ATC. However, it is most unlikely that many flights will operate today and anyone hoping to travel should contact their airline before travelling to the airport.

We will continue to monitor Met Office information and review our arrangements in line with that. We will advise further arrangements at approximately 1500 (local time), today.

[Tintinnabulate]

Statement on Icelandic volcanic eruption: Sunday April 18, 1000

The volcanic ash cloud from Iceland is currently spread acoss the UK. Based on the latest information from the Met Office, NATS advises that the restrictions currently in place across UK controlled airspace will remain in place until at least 0100 (local time) tomorrow, Monday 19 April.

There may be limited opportunity in Orkney and Shetland from 1900 (local time) today for some flights to operate under individual coordination with ATC. However, it is most unlikely that many flights will operate today and anyone hoping to travel should contact their airline before travelling to the airport.

We will continue to monitor Met Office information and review our arrangements in line with that. We will advise further arrangements at approximately 1500 (local time), today.

Awesome. Leave it closed till Sunday midnight and then reopen it and I will be happy.

[Stefy09]

Hello, does anyone know if this will affect virtual airlines in europe?

[alexxxxx]

http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90777/90853/6954668.html - interesting article.

[GommeInc]

When are they thinking of doing that? I'm guessing not at the moment due to:
Hmmm, so some people in America are gonna be annoyed :P As for my auntie, she's in Spain so she'll probably get transport to France and then a train or ferry here. That's what I overheard at least, or it's one plan.

So it's reach Slovenia? That's pretty impressive :S

[xxMATTGxx]

Hello, does anyone know if this will affect virtual airlines in europe?

Not really. FS networks would be getting more traffic in Europe than there is in real life. :P


http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90777/90853/6954668.html - interesting article.

I was reading about that on some other forums. Although I would not call them "test flights" since they do not contain any specialized equipment for weather checking and so on. Since the normal weather radars don't pick it up at all.

[Andys]

Know someone who's in Dubai who reckons he won't be flying 'till at least 3rd May.
Last time it erupted it lasted for about 5 months I think.

Edited by MattGarner (Assistant General Manager): Accidental double post due to forum lag.

[xxMATTGxx]

British Airways:


RT @SkyNewsBreak: BA tells Sky News it is planning a test flight from Heathrow this afternoon, subject to approval by NATS.

[Stefy09]

Even if they did a test flight and it was okay, I still wouldn't go on a plane until the ash is fully gone cos you never know the test flights might be a lucky shot and next one that goes up with passengers on will go boomboom

[xxMATTGxx]

Sky News are reporting: Spain reopens all airports closed by volcanic ash. Airports in southern France also reopen.

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Statement on Icelandic volcanic eruption: Sunday April 18, 1500

Conditions around the movement of the layers of the volcanic ash cloud over the UK remain dynamic. NATS is maintaining close dialogue with the Met Office and with the UK’s safety regulator, the CAA, in respect of the international civil aviation policy we follow in applying restrictions to use of airspace. We are currently awaiting CAA guidance.

We are working closely with Government, airports and airlines, and airframe and aero engine manufacturers to get a better understanding of the effects of the ash cloud and to seek solutions.

Based on the latest information from the Met Office, NATS advises that the restrictions currently in place across UK controlled airspace will remain in place until at least 0700 (local time) tomorrow, Monday 19 April.

We will of course continue to make best use of any breaks in the ash cloud to offer opportunities to airlines as they arise. There may be limited opportunity in Orkney and Shetland from 1900 (local time) today for some flights to operate under individual coordination with ATC. However, it is most unlikely that many flights will operate today and anyone hoping to travel should contact their airline before travelling to the airport.

We will continue to monitor Met Office information and review our arrangements in line with that. We will advise further arrangements at approximately 2100 (local time), today.

[Tintinnabulate]

http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90777/90853/6954668.html - interesting article.

I think they are banning the flights as there is a risk. Not every planes engine will fail, but there is a chance (and its happened before) so thats the ban reason I think.

@Andys, the volcano erupted for a year I think last time.

[iAdam]

I reckon governments will step in providing funding for the bigger airlines.

Sport events are being cancelled because of this thing.

[Stefy09]

england are out of the world cup

[Tintinnabulate]

england are out of the world cup
When does it start anyway?

[Stefy09]

june .

[xxMATTGxx]

Statement on Icelandic volcanic eruption: Sunday April 18, 2100

Based on the latest information from the Met Office, NATS advises that the current restrictions across UK controlled airspace due to the volcanic ash cloud will remain in place until at least 1900 (local time) on Monday 19 April.

There may currently be some limited opportunities in Shetland for flights, subject to individual co-ordination with ATC. However, anyone hoping to travel should contact their airline before travelling to the airport.

Conditions around the movement of the layers of the volcanic ash cloud over the UK remain dynamic. NATS is maintaining close dialogue with the Met Office and with the UK's safety regulator, the CAA, in respect of the international civil aviation policy we follow in applying restrictions to use of airspace. We are currently awaiting CAA guidance.

We are working closely with Government, airports and airlines, and airframe and aero engine manufacturers to get a better understanding of the effects of the ash cloud and to seek solutions.

The next update will be issued at approximately 0300 (local time).

[Sam]

Well i've been extensively following everything to do with the eruption the past few days because my girlfriend is stranded in America. Each time her flight gets cancelled, they have to wait a week to try and get on a new one. So at the moment, for me, its fingers crossed for the all clear by this Friday coming.

Obviously there is a risk that even if the test flights are fine, that others planes could be damaged but Germany has sent up 8 planes, along with France sending up planes and now the UK. The UK test flight appeared to be fine but now they're doing testing to analyse the damage (if any) that was done to the plane but all is looking good so far. Personally i think they're being a little too over cautious myself. I believe they should at least provide flights to the spanish region and transport to France for those stranded in America. Then people can ferry it home.

Just hoping for the weather to change myself. This is getting ridiculous. You'd expect the British government to be a little more prepared than what they are.

[MattFr]

Just hoping for the weather to change myself. This is getting ridiculous. You'd expect the British government to be a little more prepared than what they are.
Oh yes, I'm sure all governments have plans for when the airspace is closed due to volcanic ash.

[Stefy09]

sup ma gf is stuck in america so i demand that they fly all people stuck in america to spain so they can get the ferry home

[Hitman]

Well i've been extensively following everything to do with the eruption the past few days because my girlfriend is stranded in America. Each time her flight gets cancelled, they have to wait a week to try and get on a new one. So at the moment, for me, its fingers crossed for the all clear by this Friday coming.

Obviously there is a risk that even if the test flights are fine, that others planes could be damaged but Germany has sent up 8 planes, along with France sending up planes and now the UK. The UK test flight appeared to be fine but now they're doing testing to analyse the damage (if any) that was done to the plane but all is looking good so far. Personally i think they're being a little too over cautious myself. I believe they should at least provide flights to the spanish region and transport to France for those stranded in America. Then people can ferry it home.

Just hoping for the weather to change myself. This is getting ridiculous. You'd expect the British government to be a little more prepared than what they are.
To be fair to the Government they can't do much. It's not like they can get a massive fan and flow the ash away... and they wouldn't have been expecting it. What else can they do?

[Nixt]

They could and probably do have some contingencies for an extended closure of UK airspace, for whatever reason :P.

[Tintinnabulate]

Thing is, if tests flights don't crash, it doesn't mean its safe for all planes. When the last plane crashed due to ash, it was 1 plane, not all. And 1 plane crashing is bad.

[Sam]

Oh yes, I'm sure all governments have plans for when the airspace is closed due to volcanic ash.

Not necessarily volcanic ash but they should have some form of plan on what to do concerning transport in event of a natural disaster. It's like they're thinking up what to do as they go along


sup ma gf is stuck in america so i demand that they fly all people stuck in america to spain so they can get the ferry home

lol i wasn't sure if i should comment on this as *Removed*. Didn't demand it. It's a suggestion. They seem to be focusing mainly on transport for people stuck in the European region. But barely anything is being done for those stuck abroad in places such as America. Don't reply if you're going to act like *Removed*

Edited by Catzsy (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not be rude to others.

[Tintinnabulate]

Not necessarily volcanic ash but they should have some form of plan on what to do concerning transport in event of a natural disaster. It's like they're thinking up what to do as they go along



lol i wasn't sure if i should comment on this as you clearly have the mentality of a two year old. Didn't demand it. It's a suggestion. They seem to be focusing mainly on transport for people stuck in the European region. But barely anything is being done for those stuck abroad in places such as America. Don't reply if you're going to act like you have some form of mental disorder :L

Most, actually probably no government plans for volcanic ash to cloud their airspace ...
They have plans for earthquakes etc but this is a very very very rare thing. Not only that, its very unpredictable as it depends on wind direction and the volcano itself.

[Sam]

It's also pretty annoying how we've had bad, unpredictable weather for ages. Now all of a sudden it's sunny, theres barely any wind and everything's calm :L

EDIT: There is one thing i don't get. They said one of the test flights was carried out at 8,000ft which is below the ash so it cannot be valid. I don't know much about flying myself, but why dont they just operate the flights at 8,000 ft?

My two cents.

[MattFr]

It's also pretty annoying how we've had bad, unpredictable weather for ages. Now all of a sudden it's sunny, theres barely any wind and everything's calm :L

EDIT: There is one thing i don't get. They said one of the test flights was carried out at 8,000ft which is below the ash so it cannot be valid. I don't know much about flying myself, but why dont they just operate the flights at 8,000 ft?

My two cents.
Jet engines aren't efficient at that altitude. They would burn too much fuel.

[Yoshimitsui]

I am loving the fact that every time this volcano is in conversation (Offline/online) people have now become avaition experts after watching the Air Crash Investigation on the Speedbird 009 :P. Makes me laugh.

[Sam]

Jet engines aren't efficient at that altitude. They would burn too much fuel.

But it's still possible right? Surely burning more fuel is better than losing £130 million a day from not taking off at all.

[Yoshimitsui]

But it's still possible right? Surely burning more fuel is better than losing £130 million a day from not taking off at all.

They wouldn't then be able to operate to their destination as more fuel will be required, thus causing for decreasing the amount of passenger/cargo/luggage or being unable to depart the runway.

[Titch]

I am loving the fact that every time this volcano is in conversation (Offline/online) people have now become avaition experts after watching the Air Crash Investigation on the Speedbird 009 :P. Makes me laugh.

I classify myself as an avaition expert because i have watched all 19 episodes of air crash investigation thank you :) Not just that 1!!!!!!!!!!!!

[xxMATTGxx]

I classify myself as an avaition expert because i have watched all 19 episodes of air crash investigation thank you :) Not just that 1!!!!!!!!!!!!

There's more then one season/series. I don't class myself as an expert, I just know some bits and bobs and that's about it.

Edit: Just because the big airlines like BA, LH and so on have done test flights and seem ok, doesn't mean it is. They aren't exactly aircraft fitted with the correct weather testing equipment now.

[Sam]

Ah right :) Well like i said, i'm not an expert on flying :P I havent even seen one episode of Air Crash Investigation :(

[Tintinnabulate]

And just because they didnt crash doesnt mean others wont either...

[Titch]

There's more then one season/series. I don't class myself as an expert, I just know some bits and bobs and that's about it.

Edit: Just because the big airlines like BA, LH and so on have done test flights and seem ok, doesn't mean it is. They aren't exactly aircraft fitted with the correct weather testing equipment now.

There is 19 episodes altogether so far across the seasons and specials ;) Addict right here. :D

I was joking about thinking im an expert btw, i knw **** all.

[Sam]

And just because they didnt crash doesnt mean others wont either...

But surely if it appears that there's no damage at all then theres a lot less chance of the plane crashing? Like if there was visible damage to the engine, even if it was extremely minor then that would be a worry. It's just from what people are saying it hasnt effected the engines at all.

[Tintinnabulate]

But surely if it appears that there's no damage at all then theres a lot less chance of the plane crashing? Like if there was visible damage to the engine, even if it was extremely minor then that would be a worry. It's just from what people are saying it hasnt effected the engines at all.

And I am sure it didnt affect most of the planes last time, but it affected one and it crashed.

[Sam]

Well it didn't crash.. Maybe they'll start looking for some prevention methods incase it ever happens again. ;D

EDIT: BA are saying their test flight encountered no difficulties now too and everything appears to be fine. Little bit more good news i guess :)

[Nixt]

But surely if it appears that there's no damage at all then theres a lot less chance of the plane crashing? Like if there was visible damage to the engine, even if it was extremely minor then that would be a worry. It's just from what people are saying it hasnt effected the engines at all.

I suppose the question you have to ask is, even if the risk is minimal, would you rather your girlfriend take the risk of death and come home earlier or just wait :P.

[Tintinnabulate]

I suppose the question you have to ask is, even if the risk is minimal, would you rather your girlfriend take the risk of death and come home earlier or just wait :P.

I think its that very question which will cause most people not to fly.

[Sam]

That's not the only reason i want flights to start again. Of course i'd rather she came home safe than risk being in a plane crash. I was just curious because several people are saying that they're blowing this way out of proportion and being too over-cautious. So i came here to see what others think, and ask a few questions :L

[Titch]

I suppose the question you have to ask is, even if the risk is minimal, would you rather your girlfriend take the risk of death and come home earlier or just wait :P.

take the risk, quicker she gets home the quicker you get sexytime :)

Please note this was a joke :)

[Sam]

Lmao i can live without sexytime for a while :L I only ask questions because i'm generally someone who gets curious about stuff. I'm not trying to insist she comes home right now. I've mainly been reading up because i want to see if she can come home for her Saturday flight. Because they went to New York for a week and Floridda for 2 weeks, So obviously now they're low on funds, and not much is being done to financially support people who are struggling abroad.

[Tintinnabulate]

Lmao i can live without sexytime for a while :L I only ask questions because i'm generally someone who gets curious about stuff. I'm not trying to insist she comes home right now. I've mainly been reading up because i want to see if she can come home for her Saturday flight. Because they went to New York for a week and Floridda for 2 weeks, So obviously now they're low on funds, and not much is being done to financially support people who are struggling abroad.
Thought airlines had to provide accommodation and food for free?

[Nixt]

The ban is being maintained by NATS and other official bodies, whom I would trust more than the commercial airlines who are losing a lot of money! I see what you're saying I just wouldn't be willing to take the risk really :(.

[Sam]

They provide accomodation at the airports and food their too from what i'm aware. I called her last night and she said they get some a little money each day or something, but they're still paying for a Hotel each night and food and stuff.

People are only questioning the severity of the actions taken because the images produced by the Met office of the estimated size and capacity of the ash cloud is supposedly way off what it actually is.