The Second Leaders Debate - Sky NEWS HD

[StefanWolves]

I like the Glitz and glamor that Sky add to anything they do, because of all the big build up this one seems much more important and feels like it actually means something. I expect this debate to be MUCH more fiery than the one on ITV, because guess what, its going to be based on International Affairs - Afghan/Iraq, North Korea, Iran, anyone?

[Swastika]

Indeed ill be watching old chap!
What times it start, its slipped out of my mind?

[Tintinnabulate]

Its been on the radio all week. They make it sound like a super event (well it kind of is). Cant wait :D. They will have learnt from their mistakes last time. Would be interesting to see if Cameron and Brown look directly at the camera more or keep to their original way and speak to the audience.

[Fez]

One false move, a slip of the tongue and the Lib Dem's bubbly bubble of poll surge will POP!

[Swastika]

They're all having nice little digs at each other now haha.

[alexxxxx]

good disputes on the EU. i think nick might regret saying he'd give a yes/no vote on EU - because he probably won't.

[Hecktix]

good disputes on the EU. i think nick might regret saying he'd give a yes/no vote on EU - because he probably won't.

as well as saying he wouldnt spend money on typhoons.

[Neversoft]

I think all of Gordon's responses have been spot on so far. He is indeed quite good at these debates. Clegg hasn't really been doing himself any favors yet.

[StefanWolves]

Nick Cleggs policies are actually absurd. No to the Eurofighter Typhoon - No to Trident, instead knock up a quick alternative - no Nuclear weapons, even.

I don't agree with Camerons comments upon the heathrow third runway, but instead have faster rail - quite simply we should do both.

[alexxxxx]

cameron's been a bit absent. brown on top.

[StefanWolves]

I agree, Gordon Brown is on top IMO.

I think Clegg is last though, his policies are getting **** on by the other two at the moment.

[Swastika]

yeah brown's defiantly ahead so far.

[MattFr]

Clegg going on about irrelevant crap? Oh, there's a change!

[Nixt]

I think Clegg's awful policies are shining through in this debate. The Lib Dems are going to be put back in their place, thank God :P.

[Swastika]

david cameron vs gordon brown! david was nearly crying over leaflets just now.

[StefanWolves]

It amazes me how Gordon Brown can remember so much! it wouldn't surprise me, if someone asked him now to read the who of the Lib Dem manifesto out he would off by heart.

[Hecktix]

david cameron vs gordon brown! david was nearly crying over leaflets just now.

Slightly hypocritcal in my opinion, I mean it's not as if the Tories don't send out leaflets regarding Labour, exaggerating mistakes etc - I mean look at the latest billboards!

[Swastika]

Slightly hypocritcal in my opinion, I mean it's not as if the Tories don't send out leaflets regarding Labour, exaggerating mistakes etc - I mean look at the latest billboards!

True true, this it politics though - i like politics to be spicy ;)

[Hecktix]

I'm very impressed with Gordon Brown here, I thought he didn't do public speaking. This is impressive!

[MattFr]

I'm very impressed with Gordon Brown here, I thought he didn't do public speaking. This is impressive!

Really? I think he sounds like pathetic child.

[Hecktix]

Really? I think he sounds like pathetic child.

This is not the usual Gordon Brown, he usually sucks at these things, ten minutes ago he had David Cameron struggling to think of a response.. this is an intense political debate.

[Neversoft]

Is the programme shown on BBC2 at 11:30pm tonight the same exact debate Sky News just broadcast now? I ask because I wasn't able to watch the whole debate just now but would very much like to do so.

[Hecktix]

Is the programme shown on BBC2 at 11:30pm tonight the same exact debate Sky News just broadcast now? I ask because I wasn't able to watch the whole debate just now but would very much like to do so.

I'm not sure, It's over now anyway just awaiting the results.

I'm sure it will be on iPlayer or something as the BBC aired it too on BBC News.

[StefanWolves]

How the hell did David Cameron 'win'. I put second behind Gordon Brown.

[Hecktix]

How the hell did David Cameron 'win'. I put second behind Gordon Brown.

Cameron's performance was less than impressive imo..

Interesting.

[Nixt]

I think Cameron performed poorly in that debate, I fail to see how he won.

[StefanWolves]

I fail to see how anyone can 'win' a debate anyway. :P

[Hecktix]

I fail to see how anyone can 'win' a debate anyway. :P

Most true. I wonder how many people who voted actually listened.

[Neversoft]

To be honest I think Gordon Brown did better than Cameron in the first debate, but many websites still had him coming in last. They just don't want to acknowledge that Gordon Brown did well at something.

[StefanWolves]

I agree, Brown came second last week and first this week, it was clear for all to see in my opinion.

[Tintinnabulate]

When they mentioned Climate Change, I thought to myself "Undertaker must be fuming right now" because he doesn't believe in Climate Change.

Anyway, I missed the second half of the debate but I think Brown did so much better than the other two. Last week Nick Clegg wasn't bad but this week he wasn't as good. Maybe people didn't expect him to do great last week so he looked better than he really was. But this week its clearly: 1st Brown, 2nd Cameron, 3rd Clegg.

I understand from reading news stories that Cameron was annoyed that Labour have been sending leaflets about Tories? Oh yeah that is so out of order. Billboards all over the country is acceptable but leaflets aren't. I sometimes wonder how Cameron even because their leader...

The polls are a load of crap tbh.

[Fez]

Clegg did alright, less so than last week. I'd put him in a tie 1st place with Brown who was beautifully aggressive. The "Get real." line will stick with us and so will "I agree with Gordon."

Murdoch owned polls already reporting that Cameron came 1st, no surprise there.

I'd like to get Undertaker's thoughts on the European Union question proposed by the Bristol man. That and the fact that Clegg promised a referendum on the Euro.

Great debate.

[Tintinnabulate]

Clegg did alright, less so than last week. I'd put him in a tie 1st place with Brown who was beautifully aggressive. The "Get real." line will stick with us and so will "I agree with Gordon."

Murdoch owned polls already reporting that Cameron came 1st, no surprise there.

I'd like to get Undertaker's thoughts on the European Union question proposed by the Bristol man. That and the fact that Clegg promised a referendum on the Euro.

Great debate.

Clegg will have put off a lot of male votes when he said "size matters".

[MrPinkPanther]

I think Nick came on top however I think Gordon did VERY well, putting him a close second. I wasn't impressed with Cameron.

[Neversoft]

"I expected Clegg to come in saying he'd abolish volcanoes. They're part of the old geology, everyones fed up of them."

Haha, God bless Have I Got News For You and Andy Hamilton.

[Fez]

Clegg will have put off a lot of male votes when he said "size matters".

He didn't put me off winkwink

[-:Undertaker:-]

When they mentioned Climate Change, I thought to myself "Undertaker must be fuming right now" because he doesn't believe in Climate Change.

Anyway, I missed the second half of the debate but I think Brown did so much better than the other two. Last week Nick Clegg wasn't bad but this week he wasn't as good. Maybe people didn't expect him to do great last week so he looked better than he really was. But this week its clearly: 1st Brown, 2nd Cameron, 3rd Clegg.

I understand from reading news stories that Cameron was annoyed that Labour have been sending leaflets about Tories? Oh yeah that is so out of order. Billboards all over the country is acceptable but leaflets aren't. I sometimes wonder how Cameron even because their leader...

The polls are a load of crap tbh.

Oh I do believe in climate change as its been occuring since the Earth was formed, what I do not subscribe to is the false myth that we have man made climate change (we dont call it global warming now because that just exposes the total nonsense it is) and that somehow by taxing people you will prevent the Earth from warming up, despite the fact that the Earth has actually been cooling for the last ten to fifteen years.

If the Labour Party is so serious on climate change, why does it want another run-way built at Heathrow?
Does that not say to you what a mug they are taking you and the British people for?


Clegg did alright, less so than last week. I'd put him in a tie 1st place with Brown who was beautifully aggressive. The "Get real." line will stick with us and so will "I agree with Gordon."

Murdoch owned polls already reporting that Cameron came 1st, no surprise there.

I'd like to get Undertaker's thoughts on the European Union question proposed by the Bristol man. That and the fact that Clegg promised a referendum on the Euro.

Great debate.

The Labour Party promised a referendum on European Union reformal in their 2005 manifesto, they went back on that promise.
The Conservative Party promised a referendum on European Union reformal in their 2005 manifesto, they went back on that promise.
The Liberal Democrats promised a referendum on European Union reformal in their 2005 manifesto, they went back on that promise.

What I fail to grasp is; why would I, or anybody for that matter believe a word anyone of them says when it comes to the question of the European Union because quite frankly they have all lied/duped us and nothing suggests they will not do it again. I see Gordon Brown was again scaremongering, three million jobs may depend on Europe but nobody is suggesting that we stop trading/talking with Europe because we want to be friends with Europe but not governed by Europe. The pledge of Clegg's on the Euro is total nonsense because his track record when it comes to Europe and referendums is so bad that only a fool could fall for it again. The issue of David Cameron and his pledge to hold a referendum in future on any powers proposed to be transferred to Brussels is also utter tripe because the likelyhood is that we will never have another treaty as the Lisbon Treaty is self-amending.

Here is the straightforward and democratic solution; let the people decide in a referendum whether or not we want to be part of a European Union in which the aim is (like it or not) to create a European Superstate, its not a conspiracy or a crazy right wing scare story - its offical and its called for in the texts of the treaties which call for 'ever-closer Union'. If Nick Clegg is such a 'Democrat' and if the other two party leaders believe in democracy then they would give us that choice.

It is wishful thinking of anybody (especially Conservatives) to think that anyone of these men will deliever on their promises.

[Bun]

i LOVE how cameron has really messed this election campaign up. oh my god it's actually painful to watch! guess labour owe a lot to the liberals aha.

[Browney]

Yet again, I was left to read the polls and see that Cameron came first and scratch my head.

[Sameer!]

This debate was much closer than last week's debate, but I think the Conservatives won this one :)

[Jordy]

Well I agreed with most this thread and then all the recent posts are talking rubbish so I can't use the line "Well I agree with everyone...".

I thought Clegg was terrible, he was shown by Brown/Cameron the real idiot that he is and the crap policies he does indeed have. To be fair he was dreadful however it worries me he's still doing so well in the polls. People shouldn't be voting for him because he isn't Brown or Cameron, they should look at Lib Dem policies and look what they ******* are because they worry me to be frank :P - To conclude I'm losing faith in Britain and as someone said on Question Time, the leaders shouldn't be elected based on 90 minutes of television but 5 years of parliament.

Brown improved a bit on last week and was okay. Cameron was fantastic in the beginning, he was full out attacking and really seemed to have the higher ground for at least half the debate, then he seemed to drift into his boring ways of last weeks debate which was a little disappointing, but them again the questions were pretty dismal after a while so it's not surprising.

It's well worth reading a quick summary of the debates by John Crace, hilarious stuff;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/apr/16/leaders-tv-debate-clegg-brown-cameron (First debate)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/apr/23/digested-election-second-leaders-tv-debate (Second debate)


Cameron: I'm going to keep Trident to nuke the Chinese.
Clegg: I can save billions by taxing Lord Ashcroft.
Brown: We have to carry on spending on the NHS because I met a cancer patient who said she was only alive thanks to me.

[alexxxxx]

I think most people have to realise that the policies people are formulating won't appeal to everyone nor will they agree with them. So by saying their 'policies are rubbish' just means that, unless there is a completely factual element involved, it doesn't appeal to you.

If sums didn't add up = bad policy
to scrap/reform trident = policy based on an opinion.