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Hecktix
29-04-2010, 09:39 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/8652243.stm


Teacher Peter Harvey cleared of attempting to kill boy


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47749000/jpg/_47749542_009195992-1.jpg The jury took less than two hours to clear Harvey

A teacher who struck a pupil with a dumbbell has been acquitted of attempted murder and causing grievous bodily harm with intent.
Peter Harvey, 50, hit the 14-year-old with a 3kg (6.6lb) weight at All Saints' Roman Catholic School, Mansfield, in July 2009, a jury heard.
The boy, who said he could not recall the attack, suffered a fractured skull.
The science teacher had previously admitted a charge of causing grievous bodily harm.
Harvey had returned to work after being signed off with depression and stress for several months.
But the court heard he had been mocked by pupils moments before the attack.

In a statement Peter Harvey thanked supporters

The jury at Nottingham Crown Court took less than two hours to clear the father-of-two.
Afterwards, a spokeswoman for Harvey told a media conference the teacher said he "wanted to thank people for the tremendous report we have received".
"They include many past pupils, friends, neighbours and members of St John's church. I want to thank my wife and family for their love and care."
The court heard that he shouted "die, die, die" as he bludgeoned the boy with the weight after the pupil swore at him.
It emerged during the four-day trial that pupils at the school were trying to wind up Harvey so his reaction could be caught on a camcorder being used secretly by a girl in the class.
The footage was then to be passed around the school as a way of "humiliating" the teacher.
'Common sense'
His lawyer argued Harvey was in such a state when he battered the boy, a known trouble-maker, he could not have possibly intended to kill or seriously harm him.
The judge said he would not send the teacher to jail for grievous bodily harm without intent - which he had admitted.
Harvey spent eight months on remand awaiting trial before being bailed earlier this month.
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Harvey hit the boy with the weight after the pupil swore at him
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Years of abuse led teacher to attack (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/8652702.stm)
Teachers 'face fight with stress' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/8650462.stm)
Call to control mobiles in school (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/10092626.stm)

Judge Michael Stokes QC said: "Common sense has prevailed now we have heard all the evidence."
Turning to Harvey, the judge said: "I'm not going to send you to prison for this offence.
"I'm not even going to impose a suspended sentence.
"That would be wrong given that you have already served a sentence longer than can be lawfully suspended."
He added: "This court is looking to impose a community order which will assist you with the problems that you have had."
After the attack Harvey, who had just gone back to work after several months off with stress, told police he thought he had killed the boy.
Transcripts of an interview with detectives were read out in court.
Harvey said: "I can't remember it too well but I do recall it was like watching it on television, like it was not actually happening to me.
"I can remember the boy swearing and when that happened I was not really there."
'Really peaceful'
Harvey added: "We went through the door into the prep room and I remember standing over him with this metal weight and I remember hitting him twice.
"Something happened and I'm sure I dropped it. I remember feeling really peaceful."
Harvey bowed his head as the jury of six men and six women returned its unanimous verdict of not guilty.

The case 'was extremely complicated', police said

After hearing the judge's comments, he left by a side exit and will return to court to be sentenced for grievous bodily harm on 21 May.
Afterwards, Ch Insp Paul Winter, of Nottinghamshire Police, described the investigation as "extremely complicated", needing to be handled in a "highly sensitive way by officers with specialist skills."
He added: "We acknowledge the decision of the jury and hope that today's verdict will bring some degree of closure to all those involved and allow them to move on with their lives."
Rob Skelton of Nottinghamshire County Council said: "This was a very difficult case but it was highly unusual.
"Schools are normally very safe places. What occurred was out of the ordinary and totally unexpected, particularly in this school which enjoys a good reputation locally."
He added that the governing body of All Saints School would now deal with Mr Harvey's employment issues under its own internal procedures.


Good to hear.

HotelUser
29-04-2010, 09:49 PM
He should never be allowed to teach again.

GommeInc
29-04-2010, 10:02 PM
Unfortunately, this country has terrible schools. Good he got cleared of it, the boy most likely deserved it and seeing as they were clearly out to get the teacher, then there's an acceptable reason. It's the pupils at the school who are at fault, as they were blatantly trying to get the teacher in trouble, and he acted out exactly as anyone else would.

Heck, a teacher at my school pushed a child who was misbehaving, and apparently the teacher was violent and abusive. It's just what schools are like, and teachers do not get any support.

HotelUser
29-04-2010, 10:09 PM
That's really weird. I've never seen a professor exert any sort of physical or even horrible verbal abuse towards a student before:P

GommeInc
29-04-2010, 11:13 PM
You've not seen the British education system :P

HotelUser
30-04-2010, 12:57 AM
But laying a hand on a kid, and dear god I know how horrible some students are to their teachers, that's just terrifying.

-:Undertaker:-
30-04-2010, 01:59 AM
A terrible case really, very hard to judge something like this;- some schools are truly awful, he must go through hell and the same applies for many other schools around this country. We need to install disipline back into schools as soon as possible before this country just spirals out of control.

[DC]eption
30-04-2010, 02:07 AM
A terrible case really, very hard to judge something like this;- some schools are truly awful, he must go through hell and the same applies for many other schools around this country. We need to install disipline back into schools as soon as possible before this country just spirals out of control.

not just schools but the legal system to. Britian has gone soft.

Stephen
30-04-2010, 02:57 AM
It makes me sick some teens tbh. In my old school people used to try and piss the teacher off to try and get him to hit them or something so they could get him sacked. That's like telling your wife to hit you on the head with a hammer so you can make an accident claim or somethin

Bailey
30-04-2010, 05:58 AM
Seeing as All Saint's is the "best school in my area", its nice to see everything isn't so picture perfect as they make out.

Glad he got cleared, that kid was a ******.

alexxxxx
30-04-2010, 06:15 AM
i heard that its quite a decent school. i'm glad he got let off - he was made to go back to work even though he wasn't fit and then a class obviously knew about this and started to provoke him (they had their phones out for heaven's sake) and he lost it. i saw all the news vans and sky news all outside the court on the way home.

Catzsy
30-04-2010, 09:49 AM
He was cleared on attempted murder and GBH with intent but pleaded guilty to GBH and was freed as the judge was satisfied that the eight months he had been remanded in prison for was enough. He really must have had enough and just snapped. I hope he can get over this period in his life.

J0SH
30-04-2010, 10:20 AM
Haha, no matter how the student acted you don't smash them over the head with a dumbell

Stephen
30-04-2010, 02:06 PM
yes you do

Tintinnabulate
30-04-2010, 02:40 PM
The boy got what he deserved. Wont try it again.

cocaine
30-04-2010, 02:49 PM
some students treat teachers absolutely awfully, in my school and i'm sure in others. i'm pretty sure the boy got what he deserved.

Hecktix
30-04-2010, 02:57 PM
I disagree with the violence aspect however I'm glad he got off the attempted murder charge as that was pathetic.

He was punished for the violence aspect and in my eyes that's all that needs to be said.

Swastika
30-04-2010, 03:27 PM
dont care how much he got tortured, he shouldn't have hit a kid over the head with a dumbell.
he probs cant control his class and gets ripped all his life or is a doyle of a teacher.

Axel
30-04-2010, 03:44 PM
dont care how much he got tortured, he shouldn't have hit a kid over the head with a dumbell.
he probs cant control his class and gets ripped all his life or is a doyle of a teacher.

No, he can't control his students because they've obviously a bunch of *****. How would you control them? Teachers have no authority except for giving detentions really, and even then students can choose not to turn up.

Shar
30-04-2010, 04:14 PM
He must have been really angry to commit such a violent act, the boy must have had it coming to him, however no teacher has the right to ever attack their students like that so I'm happy he got punished in one way. But I agree with the fact that he didn't deserve to get charged with attempted murder so it was good that he got cleared. He's going to have a guilty conscious for life anyhow.

ifuseekamy
30-04-2010, 05:04 PM
The boy is tellingly a waste of space that'll likely amount to nothing. If he had killed him it'd have been a service to society more than anything.

Stephen
30-04-2010, 06:20 PM
Tbh if you were a teacher and you were being humiliated by a bunch of idiots, you'd want to hit the main idiot. He just did what most teachers only dream of doing and I bet most teachers who put up with what he had to put up with would shake his hand

Ajthedragon
01-05-2010, 04:16 PM
The kid pushed him off the edge - he couldn't be held responsible for his actions. :rolleyes:

I suppose its just one of those things.

Smits
01-05-2010, 04:29 PM
I'm sorry but no matter what the 14 year old boy says, you dont smash their face repeatedly with a dumbell. It's actuallt quite scary that so many people on here seem to think that kind of behaviour is acceptable. Sickening almost.

Sure, he didnt want to murder the kid (you screem die die die all the time right?) so he was cleared of that. But there is clear intent when you deliberately hit somebody with a weapon repeatedly.

So the kids were out of order, a teacher should be able to deal with that.

Bailey
01-05-2010, 04:39 PM
So the kids were out of order, a teacher should be able to deal with that.

A mentally unstable teacher?

Volumise
01-05-2010, 04:45 PM
he shouldn't be a teacher if he cant handle it.

Nixt
01-05-2010, 04:54 PM
I'm sorry but no matter what the 14 year old boy says, you dont smash their face repeatedly with a dumbell. It's actuallt quite scary that so many people on here seem to think that kind of behaviour is acceptable. Sickening almost.

Sure, he didnt want to murder the kid (you screem die die die all the time right?) so he was cleared of that. But there is clear intent when you deliberately hit somebody with a weapon repeatedly.

So the kids were out of order, a teacher should be able to deal with that.

They jury can't have thought there was clear intent, otherwise he would have been prosecuted under s.18 OAPA rather than s.20

HotelUser
01-05-2010, 07:42 PM
They jury can't have thought there was clear intent, otherwise he would have been prosecuted under s.18 OAPA rather than s.20

Of course there was clear intent, The student was being your typical obnoxious male teenager, but after knowing that the teacher would inflict physical pain upon a student as opposed to following a more standard and suitable technique of discipline doesn't sit nicely with me, and I can't see it sitting nicely with the parents, either.

Nixt
01-05-2010, 07:44 PM
Of course there was clear intent, The student was being your typical obnoxious male teenager, but after knowing that the teacher would inflict physical pain upon a student as opposed to following a more standard and suitable technique of discipline doesn't sit nicely with me, and I can't see it sitting nicely with the parents, either.

He was charged with grievous bodily harm under section 20 of the Offences Against the Person Act 1861. If someone intends to cause grievous bodily harm, they are charged under section 18 which specifies specific intent to cause harm. He either intended to cause harm but not really serious harm, or was reckless as to causing grievous bodily harm.

HotelUser
01-05-2010, 07:48 PM
He was charged with grievous bodily harm under section 20 of the Offences Against the Person Act 1861. If someone intends to cause grievous bodily harm, they are charged under section 18 which specifies specific intent to cause harm. He either intended to cause harm but not really serious harm, or was reckless as to causing grievous bodily harm.

Because of the condition he was in they didn't charge him with intent then I suppose.

Nixt
01-05-2010, 07:52 PM
Because of the condition he was in they didn't charge him with intent then I suppose.

Exactly. He was angry, so he was reckless as to causing serious harm but didn't actually intend to cause it because he was so angry. Meaning he didn't intend it. At least not according to the law, anyway.

HotelUser
01-05-2010, 07:58 PM
Exactly. He was angry, so he was reckless as to causing serious harm but didn't actually intend to cause it because he was so angry. Meaning he didn't intend it. At least not according to the law, anyway.

I can see his point of view, but I still wouldn't want my child in his class, knowing that he is able to become that angry, if that makes sense.

--ss--
02-05-2010, 01:42 PM
The kids most likely deserved it.

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