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[immense]

Hiya,

Noticed in the last two or so months that although HxF is still attracting the same amount of members and from what I can see guests as I'm used to yet from what I can see posting has declined. For example, some forums first page of threads goes back a week or longer (feedback is one).

I told this to a member of General Management and they agreed and told me it had discussed and asked me what I'd do. I don't think HxF is doing anything wrong, they have new comps, ok moderation, arcade etcetc. I fear if people don't get posting more it'll mean less members. I know a lot of members, especially older ones (from 2004-6) use other forums and other forums have now overtaken HxF in terms of activity.

I just think it needs to do something controversial because the only explanation is people are bored of Habbo. Campaigns to get people to sign up don't work because as FlyingJesus pointed out ages ago they don't stay for very long (the majority). So yeah, how would you improve it... what would you do if you were GM?

I think the fact it has a stable management team now will help because with all due respect to Sammeth. he was seen as a stop gap by many people and consciously or maybe even sub consciously this led to a lack of updates/ideas, when compared to other general managers.

[Hecktix]

I think the post rate is most definitely improving upon what it was in February, well I don't think I know, I can see the stats :P but obviously we can't get too complacent.

We are obviously doing things in an attempt to increase activity, last week we ran the Habbox Forum General Election which for the first part increased forum activity tremendously, although I'll be the first person to criticise the event for being too long, as I did when summarising the event with General Management.

The start of the United Kingdom summertime is always going to be quieter than normal as obviously people are going out in the nice weather as it hasn't been around for so long, however soon as exam season starts and then the summer holidays begin people will be indoors more therefore (hopefully) on the forum more and we as Habbox Management need to maximise the potential here.

We've already had lengthy discussions regarding the World Cup which is bound to generate a bit of activity around the forum as it's an international event most people pay attention to, we are certainly planning to play on this and attempt to increase activity through it.

We're also looking at bringing HxF to the current times, it's often said that Habbox Forum is more outdated than others, and where we do pride ourselves on where we are unique and differ to the other sites it does become apparent when we seem to be a few steps behind the others. This should be happening sooner rather than later.

As you have already mentioned we now have a stable management which is brilliant, all systems are working extremely well now and although I can't speak for other departments, the Forum have things ready to go which a month ago would still be waiting management approval so my thanks go to Matt and the others.

We're also still looking at freshening up the forum, recently when we held our Help Desk Takeover event we were told that the forum still looks dull, which is something I am looking to alter at the moment, earlier today I reduced the Feedback section to make it look a bit more tidy.

We also plan more posting-related competitions in specific sections, I think this summer could be very positive for Habbox, our stats show us to be improving on the very dry period we had over the winter.

[hah]

badges, new slimline clean looking skin, just some ideas :P

Also maybe you (not comps because they did it onces and they had to change the prize cause people didn't enter) could have posting competitions in spam or whatever........ and be like

500th post = 100rep
499th post = loses 30rep

something that will get people talking lol

[Inseriousity.]

With the merge coming up, I'd try to capitalise on that as best as I could (if I were GM obv). I'm sure there are secret plans but tbh that's the point. They're secret. There isn't enough communication between the departments to really merge together as one and try to gain the best possible outcome. If departments stopped trying to compete with each other and started working together (and I don't mean every now and then, the forum goes into HxHD - that's not criticising the forum dept or hxhd, just an example, I mean constant communication), there would be a lot more done and more effectively too.

edit: people were entering ben, they were just complaining along the way. ;)

[hah]

With the merge coming up, I'd try to capitalise on that as best as I could (if I were GM obv). I'm sure there are secret plans but tbh that's the point. They're secret. There isn't enough communication between the departments to really merge together as one and try to gain the best possible outcome. If departments stopped trying to compete with each other and started working together (and I don't mean every now and then, the forum goes into HxHD - that's not criticising the forum dept or hxhd, just an example, I mean constant communication), there would be a lot more done and more effectively too.

edit: people were entering ben, they were just complaining along the way. ;)

im not ben babes.

+ yeah i think comps and events should be merged
they are basically the same thing disagree all you want

could have an events dept. with like 10 staff
5 doing mainly forum events and 5 doing habbo events

[Blinger$]

badges, new slimline clean looking skin, just some ideas :P

Also maybe you (not comps because they did it onces and they had to change the prize cause people didn't enter) could have posting competitions in spam or whatever........ and be like

500th post = 100rep
499th post = loses 30rep

something that will get people talking lol
That'll get people talkin' ;)

[Inseriousity.]

oops yeah, your avatar's the same. my bad. :D

And of course I'm gonna disagree all I want, you're talking nonsense. It's not practical. Maybe if you actually did the job, you'd know.

[Alex3213]

im not ben babes.

+ yeah i think comps and events should be merged
they are basically the same thing disagree all you want

could have an events dept. with like 10 staff
5 doing mainly forum events and 5 doing habbo events

Then what's the point in the merge if that is the case? The reason for two departments, and I know that many have been over this many a time, is that it is not necessary. If a competitions staff wanted to do an event, they would apply for the events department. It's like saying that Habboxlive staff should be behind the HxHD bar. It isn't practical, it isn't sensible.

[hah]

Because you are basically doing the same thing :S
it works for every other forum thats habbo related so i dont see why it shouldnt work for habbox

and i see you still havent sorted those tacky images out :(

and it would could down on staff
habbox is way over staffed
jobs seem to be handed out willy-nilly

[immense]

I think the post rate is most definitely improving upon what it was in February, well I don't think I know, I can see the stats :P but obviously we can't get too complacent.

We are obviously doing things in an attempt to increase activity, last week we ran the Habbox Forum General Election which for the first part increased forum activity tremendously, although I'll be the first person to criticise the event for being too long, as I did when summarising the event with General Management.

The start of the United Kingdom summertime is always going to be quieter than normal as obviously people are going out in the nice weather as it hasn't been around for so long, however soon as exam season starts and then the summer holidays begin people will be indoors more therefore (hopefully) on the forum more and we as Habbox Management need to maximise the potential here.

We've already had lengthy discussions regarding the World Cup which is bound to generate a bit of activity around the forum as it's an international event most people pay attention to, we are certainly planning to play on this and attempt to increase activity through it.

We're also looking at bringing HxF to the current times, it's often said that Habbox Forum is more outdated than others, and where we do pride ourselves on where we are unique and differ to the other sites it does become apparent when we seem to be a few steps behind the others. This should be happening sooner rather than later.

As you have already mentioned we now have a stable management which is brilliant, all systems are working extremely well now and although I can't speak for other departments, the Forum have things ready to go which a month ago would still be waiting management approval so my thanks go to Matt and the others.

We're also still looking at freshening up the forum, recently when we held our Help Desk Takeover event we were told that the forum still looks dull, which is something I am looking to alter at the moment, earlier today I reduced the Feedback section to make it look a bit more tidy.

We also plan more posting-related competitions in specific sections, I think this summer could be very positive for Habbox, our stats show us to be improving on the very dry period we had over the winter.

I've visited regularly since winter and my ban in the second week in February and I'd say as would the management I've spoken to that it's got really bad. I don't see why you're trying to hide from this, or maybe it's just it looks less active but it's fine really and it's my mind playing tricks :P

Habboxforum is very out of date, as is Habbox itself. However, this has always been the case it has never been as appealing on the eye as other fansites. Yet this has never dragged it down in the past. The skins are an eye sore, they always have been when you compare them to the sleek look of ClubHabbo where a lot of the users have migrated too. There is no reason why it should be any more of a problem than it has before. I think there are other underlying issues which aren't being acted upon. Whatever these are I'm not so sure as for numerous reasons I'm not as active as I once was.

It always goes through a transitional period with one group replacing another. This time though there aren't enough active people replacing the flocks of people that have left. Think of all the active users that have quit in the last 6 months and not being replaced by people who are posting as much. Mentor, amy, leah to name three off the top of my head. These people are still about on the 'online world' just not here any longer.

I think that's because there is no option here. If you fall out with management like mentor did for example you won't get change because management won't speak out against one another and appear almost too timid to makes changes without consultation processes that take far too long. This is just one case such as mentor but it's true for other users. My mate taylooor for example, banned for account sharing and his ban rejected. I know another user who was banned for giving his account to someone IP banned (account sharing) and has been unbanned. It's one rule for one, one rule for another.

This isn't a dig at you, just scraping my brain as to what can be improved. I think you'll actually be a good Forum Manager although again you won't do anything controversial and will discuss things with General Management too long which is unfortunate for Habbox. However, I know that's out of your hands and you have to do what you have to do.



badges, new slimline clean looking skin, just some ideas :P

Also maybe you (not comps because they did it onces and they had to change the prize cause people didn't enter) could have posting competitions in spam or whatever........ and be like

500th post = 100rep
499th post = loses 30rep

something that will get people talking lol

It needs something to get people talking, get them on but when they are on it needs to continue talking. Things just seem regressive around here, like the refilter of the lmao with an f as an example. One step forward, two steps back.

I think Matt is the first GM that hasn't come straight in and made a decent strong change to determine his character for the rest of his 'reign'. Even Sam, made the reputation changes quick enough.

[Nixt]

Because you are basically doing the same thing :S
it works for every other forum thats habbo related so i dont see why it shouldnt work for habbox

and i see you still havent sorted those tacky images out :(

and it would could down on staff
habbox is way over staffed
jobs seem to be handed out willy-nilly

General Management have recently imposed limits on the number of staff each department is entitled to and we are working to further streamline departments to ensure we are focusing on quality and not quantity (of staff).

[immense]

General Management have recently imposed limits on the number of staff each department is entitled to and we are working to further streamline departments to ensure we are focusing on quality and not quantity (of staff).
Although that's a change, it's a poor one. It means decent candidates could be turned away although they could have the potential to be the best staff member in that department. One recent thing that proved really good was the election, a lot of the community got involved, was well ran and managed and looked really promising.

[Mathew]

In my eyes, people are taking their jobs here way too seriously.
I could understand the serious-ness if Habbox was a big business making thousands of pounds per year, but it isn't. It's a site aimed to support a chat room for teenagers. Lately there has been a lot of egos floating about and departments trying to make themselves look bigger and better (as Mike has said above). Some just need bringing back down to Earth and realising that this isn't real life and power here does not equal power in the wide world.

Departments need to work closely as a team and do something big - together. The HabboxForum Election was brilliant. It was controversial, everyone got involved and everyone enjoyed it. Funnily enough there wasn't any sore losers either! Everyone took it in good heart. Habbox is a gold tier fansite (but for how much longer?), so make use of that. It's taken a lot to get to that standard.

I am however looking forward to the rest of this year. I've started posting a lot more on HabboxForum lately. Everyone seems a lot friendlier than they once were and I actually enjoy posting here now (despite being a lurker for years) :P

[Nixt]

Although that's a change, it's a poor one. It means decent candidates could be turned away although they could have the potential to be the best staff member in that department. One recent thing that proved really good was the election, a lot of the community got involved, was well ran and managed and looked really promising.

We're not talking capping staff at low levels. The number of staff we're looking at in departments is basically for what we have now which I believe for most departments is more than adequate. The purpose of creating the limit is to ensure only the best staff are hired and retained and those that aren't performing are removed - rather than repeatedly hiring staff in addition to them to ensure things are being done. We're not being stingy because we recognise it's not like a business and we don't have costs with staff, but we are trying to ensure staff are doing their job and this is one way of doing it. Limits will be under constant evaluation.

We are also looking at changing the amount of away time staff are allowed (we can't have people taking the piss and disappearing for ridiculous amounts of time) etc. These are all things that are happening behind the scenes but we hope they will impact positively on Habbox as a whole.

As AGM for Staff I am first ensuring that communication between Managers and General Management is in tip top condition and will then go on to ensure communication between departments improves also. Regarding your point about Oli being able to make decisions he is, and has been, free to make decisions and all we ask is that he informs us of those decisions so we can have our own input. The current General Management team is very active and we are quick to approve things - and we only need to approve larger decisions that have significant impact, otherwise our managers need only keep us informed. They do not have to repeatedly ask for permission.

[immense]

We're not talking capping staff at low levels. The number of staff we're looking at in departments is basically for what we have now which I believe for most departments is more than adequate. The purpose of creating the limit is to ensure only the best staff are hired and retained and those that aren't performing are removed - rather than repeatedly hiring staff in addition to them to ensure things are being done. We're not being stingy because we recognise it's not like a business and we don't have costs with staff, but we are trying to ensure staff are doing their job and this is one way of doing it. Limits will be under constant evaluation.

We are also looking at changing the amount of away time staff are allowed (we can't have people taking the piss and disappearing for ridiculous amounts of time) etc. These are all things that are happening behind the scenes but we hope they will impact positively on Habbox as a whole.

As AGM for Staff I am first ensuring that communication between Managers and General Management is in tip top condition and will then go on to ensure communication between departments improves also. Regarding your point about Oli being able to make decisions he is, and has been, free to make decisions and all we ask is that he informs us of those decisions so we can have our own input. The current General Management team is very active and we are quick to approve things - and we only need to approve larger decisions that have significant impact, otherwise our managers need only keep us informed. They do not have to repeatedly ask for permission.

Yeah, that does sound better once fully explained :) However, that means you have to let management fire their staff with much more freedom, for not being up to scratch. You used to have to wait weeks to prove that before the staff editor would remove permissions. Communication is key, MAD was the best for that in my opinion as he was for the inter-department working which is a problem at the moment which I'm glad to see you're working on. Although not entirely sure that'll improve the forum.

[hah]

another thing is you dont let people know whats going on lol.
i didnt enter that competition with super super secret prize because i didnt know what it was and i just found out that matt introduced something that is coming soon but no users have been told yet....might get people excited and talking yakno

[Hecktix]

I've visited regularly since winter and my ban in the second week in February and I'd say as would the management I've spoken to that it's got really bad. I don't see why you're trying to hide from this, or maybe it's just it looks less active but it's fine really.

Habbox is very out of date, as is Habbox itself. However, this has always been the case it has never been as appealing on the eye as other fansites. Yet this has never dragged it down in the past. The skins are an eye sore, they always have been when you compare them to the sleek look of ClubHabbo where a lot of the users have migrated too. There is no reason why it should be any more of a problem than it has before. I think there are other underlying issues which aren't being acted upon. Whatever these are I'm not so sure as for numerous reasons I'm not as active as I once was.

It always goes through a transitional period with one group replacing another. This time though there aren't enough active people replacing the flocks of people that have left. Think of all the active users that have quit in the last 6 months and not being replaced by people who are posting as much. Mentor, amy, leah to name three off the top of my head. These people are still about on the 'online world' just not here any longer.

I think that's because there is no option here. If you fall out with management like mentor did for example you won't get change because management won't speak out against one another and appear almost too timid to makes changes without consultation processes that take far too long. This is just one case such as mentor but it's true for other users. My mate taylooor for example, banned for account sharing and his ban rejected. I know another user who was banned for giving his account to someone IP banned (account sharing) and has been unbanned. It's one rule for one, one rule for another.

This isn't a dig at you, just scraping my brain as to what can be improved. I think you'll actually be a good Forum Manager although again you won't do anything controversial and will discuss things with General Management too long which is unfortunate for Habbox. However, I know that's out of your hands and you have to do what you have to do.


I think you misinterpreted what I meant by the fact we have improved, because we have improved since the dire times of the winter although it's still not good enough by Habbox's standards.

In terms of this:

I know another user who was banned for giving his account to someone IP banned (account sharing) and has been unbanned. It's one rule for one, one rule for another.Can you please PM me the names so I can look into it? As if that is the true case, a mistake has been made somewhere in this system which is unacceptable.

As I said in my previous post we are looking at bringing Habbox to date, we have something in the system which we are hoping will really do that, and that's not stuck in the management approval system, it's in the process of being created to suit Habbox Forum's needs, as Management we had all approved of it within two days of Matt becoming GM, if it had been possible to get this approval then implement it immediately this would have been the big "Hi i'm MattGarner, General Manager" moment but unfortunately some things do take time and it's out of mine, Matt and Garion's hands.

This is partly why I've been ensuring that all of our World Cup campaign will be ready to launch immediately the day before the World Cup starts, I've gained all the relevant permission (within 5 minutes of discussing the ideas, which is certainly an improvement on the past :P) and we've nearly completed most of the planning.

When Matt took over as General Manager, Habbox was in a bit of a state, it still is in a bit of a state, he isn't gonna change that immediately but I can guaruntee that the whole General Management team are progressing towards fixing Habbox at a pace faster than I have seen from a General Management team since nvrspk4.

Miracles don't happen overnight and Matt has jumped straight in and started dealing with the more important things, which take a little bit more time to sort :)

@ Jake's comment about firing staff, that's very different with Garion as AGM (Staff) and was with MattGarner, we can hire/fire who we like within reason ofc - so that's something positive.

@ Graham, we can't reveal that prize for legal reasons.

[xxMATTGxx]

Ok it seems I should have done some big change on the night/early morning of me becoming GM and I apologise if that is what you were all waiting for. Sadly we don't live in a world of magic (I would love to be Harry potter) and some changes cannot be done within a matter of seconds, some changes (one that is in the works) does need some time to get fully developed and prepared for. All the other changes can be agreed on within minutes of being discussed; like Oli has mentioned some updates have been discussed and agreed pretty quickly which could of took longer in previous management.

I also like to confirm that any department manager is allowed to fire any of their staff with a fair reason. It does not take weeks or months, it takes a matter of minutes and maybe a couple of hours for the permissions to be removed until Garion comes online. They have control over their department and can hire/fire who they want. (Within reason)


another thing is you don’t let people know whats going on lol.
i didnt enter that competition with super super secret prize because i didnt know what it was and i just found out that matt introduced something that is coming soon but no users have been told yet....might get people excited and talking yakno

I understand that you did not enter as you didn't know what the prize was. Unfortunately we aren't allowed to discuss the prize with any of the Habbox members at this current time; this is something which is out of my hands. Although it does seem to be getting a good interest so far.

You also mention that I will be introducing something that is coming soon. I would love to announce it to you but at the moment it is still in the works. No this isn't down to because it takes months for approval it's because the change that is coming is something that needs work to it, plus it's not always a good thing to announce before it is actually released.

I'm happy to take on any ideas or suggestions you may have for any of the Habbox websites. You can either create a thread or PM me and then we can see if the ball can start rolling on them ideas.

[Nixt]

Yeah, that does sound better once fully explained :) However, that means you have to let management fire their staff with much more freedom, for not being up to scratch. You used to have to wait weeks to prove that before the staff editor would remove permissions. Communication is key, MAD was the best for that in my opinion as he was for the inter-department working which is a problem at the moment which I'm glad to see you're working on. Although not entirely sure that'll improve the forum.

As has been mentioned staff can fire who they want. MAD may have ensured communication between departments but I can't help but feel this was largely to do with the iron grip he had on everything which did not allow the freedom that you would like to see.

I think it's unfair to blame Matt for anything seeing as he has only been GM two minutes. He is working closely with all of us and we are working towards a great many changes that we hope will make things better. When Matt became GM his interest was not to quickly post something to say "hello I'm here", he aimed to begin to set things in motion that may take a little longer but will on the whole be a lot more beneficial to the forum than a quick change implemented mainly to try and create an impact to the beginning of his leadership.

[FlyingJesus]

We are obviously doing things in an attempt to increase activity, last week we ran the Habbox Forum General Election which for the first part increased forum activity tremendously, although I'll be the first person to criticise the event for being too long, as I did when summarising the event with General Management.

I don't think it was too long - indeed, with more planning it could have gone on right until the end of the real elections - it's more the fact that there was nothing to do after the first couple of days. "Parties" weren't allowed for some reason to divulge what their policies entailed and so all that could happen was pointless spamming of VOTE FOR US!!!! and other such threads. If (as I believe it should be, for the good of the community) it is done again at some point in some form, it would need further planning to include a larger number of events and, dare I say it, campaigns to further each cause - this rather than a simple slander match in spam.


+ yeah i think comps and events should be merged
they are basically the same thing disagree all you want

I've mentioned this plenty of times in the past and still believe in it, although not because I think they're the same thing. Comps as far as I can see has improved rather a lot since my old rants about how they'd simply post up a thread once a month and that was it for the entire department (which was certainly true back then) but it's still something that does not require a separate set of staff. I mean no disrespect to any of the comps staff, but it's really not a challenging job and could even be shared out among the entirety of the forum through the "competition ideas" area if the rest of the departments aren't willing to pick up the extra work.


Habboxforum is very out of date, as is Habbox itself. However, this has always been the case it has never been as appealing on the eye as other fansites. Yet this has never dragged it down in the past. The skins are an eye sore, they always have been when you compare them to the sleek look of ClubHabbo where a lot of the users have migrated too. There is no reason why it should be any more of a problem than it has before. I think there are other underlying issues which aren't being acted upon. Whatever these are I'm not so sure as for numerous reasons I'm not as active as I once was.

It always goes through a transitional period with one group replacing another. This time though there aren't enough active people replacing the flocks of people that have left. Think of all the active users that have quit in the last 6 months and not being replaced by people who are posting as much. Mentor, amy, leah to name three off the top of my head. These people are still about on the 'online world' just not here any longer.

Unfortunately I have to agree with this extract. I am of course one of the outdated folk here who would be glad to carry things on as they've always been - but pragmatically that is impossible because like it or not change does happen. I'm not sure if the update to VB4 was meant as a way of bring Habbox into the present (let's not kid ourselves about being "the future") but that made very little difference to things other than messing up the arcade again and losing us our favourite skin. As was mentioned somewhere else - the first post I do believe - it's been stated plenty of times before that bringing new members into the community is not an issue, but rather keeping those who do stumble across our vasty and somewhat open plains.


I think that's because there is no option here. If you fall out with management like mentor did for example you won't get change because management won't speak out against one another and appear almost too timid to makes changes without consultation processes that take far too long.

Although this has always been the case it is still a good point. Having been close with Sam I got a fairly good say in many things while he was GM, whereas now I don't imagine I'll have anywhere near the same amount of influence that others closer to Matt might enjoy. It happens, it always will do with any people near to those in positions of power, but whilst those in favour may come and go, it does appear that any blacklisted members get their opinions pushed aside and that negative status remains. I can't think of any members of current management who would really battle for an idea that I would advocate unless other (higher) management figures backed it up first, regardless of what it might be, and the same can be said for plenty of other people around here who've caused upsets in the past.


It needs something to get people talking, get them on but when they are on it needs to continue talking. Things just seem regressive around here, like the refilter of the lmao with an f as an example. One step forward, two steps back.

Finally I get something to disagree with you about! This one on a twofold point - firstly, that the changes regarding the filter did get people talking and actually increased activity as far as I could see, especially around the feedback area which has recently become something of a wasteland. Secondly, that the unfiltering in question should never have been done in the first place as it defied logic and would have set the way for a complete removal of the wordfilter, something that some people like the idea of but personally I advise against, and as far as I'm aware plenty of management at the time thought similarly, although that could have been down to the sycophantic nature of mid-level staff. On a more general point though I still have to concede that we do need something to get people riled up and active - be it good or bad.


Ok it seems I should have done some big change on the night/early morning of me becoming GM and I apologise if that is what you were all waiting for.

Nope, change for the sake of change is never a good thing. It might be my conservative roots coming through, but often it's best not to meddle when nothing needs doing - I believe you're right in not having made big actions straight away, especially if you have something good in the pipeline as has been hinted at.

Sorry if I missed anything important, I'm sure everyone wants me to comment on their views so they know if they're right or wrong.

[Black_Apalachi]

... Although this has always been the case it is still a good point. Having been close with Sam I got a fairly good say in many things while he was GM, whereas now I don't imagine I'll have anywhere near the same amount of influence that others closer to Matt might enjoy. It happens, it always will do with any people near to those in positions of power, but whilst those in favour may come and go, it does appear that any blacklisted members get their opinions pushed aside and that negative status remains. I can't think of any members of current management who would really battle for an idea that I would advocate unless other (higher) management figures backed it up first, regardless of what it might be, and the same can be said for plenty of other people around here who've caused upsets in the past. ...

I realise I'm ignoring a lot of things but I just wanted to pick up on this point. Surely it's better if management don't have favourites whom they'll agree with regardless? Probably one of the biggest argument causers is non-staff members appearing to be treated by management in a more superior manner than other regular members. I guess it's due to jealousy more than anything else but still, it shouldn't arise in the first place.

[FlyingJesus]

Oh absolutely, don't get me wrong about that. It's simply that I acknowledge it and (speaking from having been on both the favoured and undesirable personal lists) realise that not a lot can be done about it. I'd love to believe that logic could be the deciding factors in every decision made but this is simply not the case, and so I think rather than trying to change human nature it's best to limit what sanctions can be reasonably be placed on people who've caused problems in the past, be they personal disputes with upper management or disruptions across the forum, and not disregard a person's opinions simply for being who they are.

I like to think that this is generally the case as with the changes to .gif signature images a few weeks back, but especially with this new supposed ideal of rushing changes through instead of the old method of having them bounced around a bit first (which has come under fire in this very thread) it's entirely possible that the wrong choices can be made or dismissed - and quickly - on a whim and without being properly looked into. The now-not-so-recent filter change and consequent reversal is proof of this speedy update policy going awry.

[immense]

I think pretty much every other reply has agreed with me or raised a valid counter argument against something which I can acknowledge and see. Matt, I didn't mean it personally by the way and both Oli and Garion have told me you're doing things behind the scenes and sorting out the mess that was given to you. I look forward to any changes that will affect the users.


I realise I'm ignoring a lot of things but I just wanted to pick up on this point. Surely it's better if management don't have favourites whom they'll agree with regardless? Probably one of the biggest argument causers is non-staff members appearing to be treated by management in a more superior manner than other regular members. I guess it's due to jealousy more than anything else but still, it shouldn't arise in the first place.

It's going to though. Like when I was close with ---MAD--- he gave me AGM, maybe I was best suited for the role maybe it was because we were close and had a lot of jokes, like when he made me the banner etc. It happens. Then with nvr, we got on OK, he offered me staff editor, I rejected, I made a few immature comments, we never spoke again. Oh and the fact he reported me to Sulake, lol! Not a bad guy though. Then Sam, I just didn't get on with, never really did. Maybe that's proof that if you're friends with them you have more influence. AGM with one, permed with the other. It's not a bad thing, it's life. Most people won't get to like/dislike General Management on a personal level anyway so it's not an issue.

It can't ever be changed though. General Managment are always going to have the people they want to talk to more than others. I have Matt, Oli, Garion on MSN, although I'm not all that close to any. The majority of HxF wouldn't have them on there. Just the way the cookie crumbles.

Edit; also just to verify I spoke to Oli on MSN about what I said earlier about someone being unpermed for a perm offence and someone else not for the same offence was my mistake. Got the wrong end of the stick.

[Tintinnabulate]

I am surprised I didn't see this thread till now. I too have noticed a lot of members being online but a lack of posts. Take the 'Discuss Anything' forum for example, a year or two ago, the first page was filled with posts made in one day. Now it goes back several days.

I have been on this forum for over 5 years and number of posts in these forums have declined slowly mainly due to the people who used to post in them used to break a few rules too. Over time they ended up being perm banned. They left, meaning less activity, meaning some others left too.
That is why I have always asked for a mass unban. Place all unbanned users in a special usergroup, if they get more than 2 infractions = ban again as they clearly don't deserve to be here.

Even Habbo unban users from perm bans so I dont see why Habbox can't. It will increase a bit of activity for sure, and that is beneficial to the forum. Like I said, the special usergroup will mean the unbanned users will probably not break rules as they will want to keep their account.

Secondly, I would rather Matt makes good decisions rather than quick ones which end up harming the forum. Sammeth was a useless General Manager and I am very glad he left. I sent him 4 PM's and never got a reply. I believe he took up AGM (Staff) as he had less time with his previous job - meaning he should never have taken up GM. His attitude towards some members was also terrible.

Thirdly, read my signature :). I can't say anything else about it but to read my signature. If what I think will happen happens, people will love it. That's all I can say.

Habbox.com is also getting a makeover. Jin posted an announcement regarding it earlier this year stating you will be able to customise the site, move the content boxes around etc, so that should make Habbox unique as no other fansites offer that.
Habbox needs to offer more things rather than just Rare Values as the key thing. I have suggested to Alkaz a few ideas for the site, which he liked so I am hoping they will be implemented if they can get the right people to do it.

It will also be good to do more forum wide competitions - where members have to get together - as it makes the forum more active. The Forum Elections clearly increased activity. It also meant a lot of new members signed up to vote and hopefully some of those will stay on to post etc.

Another thing I think is vital (and this used to happen a lot back in 2006-2007), is for Forum (Super) Moderators to create threads and post regularly. I am not going to name any names as its unfair, but most Forum (Super) Moderators rarely ever create threads or make posts. Its a fact that new members love it when people in Red / Lime reply to their threads/posts.

This is not forum related but ... some HxHD staff are ridiculous. They are like robots. They look for key terms and not actually read the whole conversation. I was having a joke with someone in there and I called that person an idiot (clearly as a joke if they read the whole convo) and I got a warning. I am sure only JamesOYES seems to have common sense there.

[Grig]

Saurav- throughout the post I had to be nodding my head continuously through your points. I think after nvrspk4 left, there was a big vacuum left within Habbox and really, it was more or less Jin doing most of the work. The latest managerial changes seem to be working quite fine and things are starting to get done quicker, updates faster and I know there are lots of new ideas somewhere behind the scenes.

The forum isn't as active as one has been, now this could be due to a number of factors such as the fact the lack of major events. This HabboxForum Election event did indeed boost forum activity and kudos to everyone for that, as more initiatives like this will bag in people. We can't deny that we did have a lot of older members from the 04-06 era that have slowly left and sadly there was no one to fill their place.

I think it is time to look at all the dartments and see how the full potential could be maximised from them. This, as you so rightly pointed out Saurav needs to get people who don't take their job as seriously, I swear I may love my job here, but I don't treat it like I'm some manager of a big co-opertation making millions of dollars in profit. This is meant to be a past time activity, and some people are indeed taking it in the wrong way. I do agree with that help desk comment too, I have been in numerous drop ins, councils and help desks and Habbox' seems to have far from the best and most welcoming atmosphere. I also give kudos to JamesOYES there who is one of the staff members I respect there, for being more down to earth- it is people like that who would be the best in promoting to Habbox.

Also it seems the popularity of not only the forum here comes in question, but Habbox as a general site with a radio etc. as I have not seen such low listeners on radio primetime in years, they seem be going below 100 quite often now. I think it's due to a number of factors and may reflect on Habbox's declining popularity. If new initiatives and some promotion is done on Habbo, then I'm sure there can be some major breakthrough.

I am glad Matt is GM, as I know that he makes rational decisions without jumping into something too quickly and that is probably why you haven't seen any major breakthrough etc. just yet. I also think, as Jake pointed out there needs to be an element of risk taking and bold moves that go outside the box and that's where members could be attracted to the forum.

[Catzsy]

Yeah, that does sound better once fully explained :) However, that means you have to let management fire their staff with much more freedom, for not being up to scratch. You used to have to wait weeks to prove that before the staff editor would remove permissions. Communication is key, MAD was the best for that in my opinion as he was for the inter-department working which is a problem at the moment which I'm glad to see you're working on. Although not entirely sure that'll improve the forum.

Are you insane? Lol:D MAD was GM and FM and it wasn't communication - it was dictation. Sometimes, Jake I just wonder if you post threads just because. Habbox is still one of the two biggest fansites and is comparable in numbers to CHF. Members join everyday. Members leave especially this time of year. It has always been the same. What exactly are your suggestions to improve it or are you just posting because you now have more time on your hands?

[Tintinnabulate]

Are you insane? Lol:D MAD was GM and FM and it wasn't communication - it was dictation. Sometimes, Jake I just wonder if you post threads just because. Habbox is still one of the two biggest fansites and is comparable in numbers to CHF. Members join everyday. Members leave especially this time of year. It has always been the same. What exactly are your suggestions to improve it or are you just posting because you now have more time on your hands?

No, he is posting the facts. HxF is comparable to CHF yes, but we used to get more posts than them, now it's the opposite.

[HotelUser]

Are you insane? Lol:D MAD was GM and FM and it wasn't communication - it was dictation. Sometimes, Jake I just wonder if you post threads just because. Habbox is still one of the two biggest fansites and is comparable in numbers to CHF. Members join everyday. Members leave especially this time of year. It has always been the same. What exactly are your suggestions to improve it or are you just posting because you now have more time on your hands?

I agree, there's nothing new about this. Activity will increase in the summer, popularity will decrease and a handful of staff will resign come September, then around the Winter months it will regain popularity. With the merge and closing of HabboForum I think forum management should be secretly hi-fiving eachother :P

[immense]

Are you insane? Lol:D MAD was GM and FM and it wasn't communication - it was dictation. Sometimes, Jake I just wonder if you post threads just because. Habbox is still one of the two biggest fansites and is comparable in numbers to CHF. Members join everyday. Members leave especially this time of year. It has always been the same. What exactly are your suggestions to improve it or are you just posting because you now have more time on your hands?
Well you've been away half the time so I don't really expect you to understand. It's funny how you criticise me though when Saurav, Grig, Garion, FlyingJesus and Oli have agreed with me in certain elements. It was actually after a conversation with General Management that I posted this as you'd understand if you read the entirety of the post. Your attitude is very poor. General Management asked me what I'd do to help their decline in posts, I said I was unsure and made this thread to try and generate ideas. I don't have any more spare time on my hands than I have in the last few months so that false accusation is just trying to stir arguments. Same old. Also, just because you disliked ---MAD--- he made Habbox official, improved inter-department working, had a much bigger presence on Habbo etc. I'd say it was at its peak with him at the helm in fact. Don't let personal judgements blur reality.


No, he is posting the facts. HxF is comparable to CHF yes, but we used to get more posts than them, not its the opposite.
Someone with sense.

I agree, there's nothing new about this. Activity will increase in the summer, popularity will decrease and a handful of staff will resign come September, then around the Winter months it will regain popularity. With the merge and closing of HabboForum I think forum management should be secretly hi-fiving eachother :P

Again, you've never been overly active on the forum and wouldn't understand. Those who have, have agreed with me. Once again, if you'd read the entirety of the thread you would have realised I stated categorically there is nothing fundamentally wrong with Habbox. However, there is a decline in posting. New posts go back an hour sometimes, threads in Spam go back 24 hours sometimes. In my four years at Habbox, that has never happened.

[Catzsy]

Well you've been away half the time so I don't really expect you to understand. It's funny how you criticise me though when Saurav, Grig, Garion, FlyingJesus and Oli have agreed with me in certain elements. It was actually after a conversation with General Management that I posted this as you'd understand if you read the entirety of the post. Your attitude is very poor. General Management asked me what I'd do to help their decline in posts, I said I was unsure and made this thread to try and generate ideas. I don't have any more spare time on my hands than I have in the last few months so that false accusation is just trying to stir arguments. Same old. Also, just because you disliked ---MAD--- he made Habbox official, improved inter-department working, had a much bigger presence on Habbo etc. I'd say it was at its peak with him at the helm in fact. Don't let personal judgements blur reality.


Someone with sense.

Oh I understand well enough and we would have to agree to disagree on this because a lot of the initiatives were a complete waste of time and money such as the blogs and chat. I haven't been away half the time either(about 4 months in 5 years) and have worked under all the GM's since 2005 so please dont make out that I do not know what I am talking about. Nvr and Sam both had a lot to offer in their differing ways as did 8Freak8 before them and made Habbox what it is today and I do not like to see them disrepected. Oli, Garion, & Matt have made a tremendous effort to improve the forum. Great events at Easter, Forum at HXHD, groups and and more recently the Election initiative which I would say it is probably the highlight of many a year. I think Habbox really should gear themselves up for the merge and really take adavantage of it. What ideas have you got to improve the forum - it seems you prefer just to discuss personalities than actually suggest anything which is something you have accused me of. :P

[immense]

Someone quite clearly forgot to read the entirety of my post. I'll rise above and see if anyone else (like they began for Catzsy replied) has anything genuine and valid to help Habbox.

Anyway, to use CH as an example they've had four big updates in the last week:

http://www.clubhabboforum.net/forumdisplay.php?f=11
Account sharing
Policy updates - plan to change name changes and may others
Taking people off the blacklist, giving people another chance
Reputation changes

[Nixt]

Regarding "policy updates" we are soon to be implementing some of the policies from the winning party of the General Election and one in particular is quite exciting. I think the plan is for this to happen on Sunday but I don't see why we can't bring it forward but there may be practical issues in the way in which case we will get them to you as soon as possible.

[immense]

Ooooh, exciting :D Look forward to seeing what they are.

[Tintinnabulate]

Ooooh, exciting :D Look forward to seeing what they are.

Its exciting ;). I thought it was being done on Sunday so me and AlexOC could post it in Dev updates? :P

Some stats I thought people might like to know:

These are all for the 'Discuss Anything' forum.

17 threads have the last post date as 13 May 2005.
25 threads have the last post date as 13 May 2006.
13 threads have the last post date as 13 May 2007.
2 threads have the last post date as 13 May 2008.
2 threads have the last post date as 13 May 2009.
3 threads have the last post date as 12 May 2009.

The below is based on 20 threads per page.

For April 2005, it shows the following number of pages: 16 Full pages
For April 2006, it shows the following number of pages: 38 Full pages & 2 threads
For April 2007, it shows the following number of pages: 13 Full pages & 11 threads
For April 2008, it shows the following number of pages: 8 Full pages & 16 threads
For April 2009, it shows the following number of pages: 5 Full pages & 10 threads
For April 2010, it shows the following number of pages: 2 Full pages & 10 threads

[Nixt]

Its exciting ;). I thought it was being done on Sunday so me and AlexOC could post it in Dev updates? :P



You are posting it obv that was the terms of the competition noob.

[FlyingJesus]

The death of Discuss Anything can largely be attributed to the fact that there are forum areas for pretty much everything now except for random (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=642995) pointless (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=642842) questions (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=642985), anything else gets moved it seems. I posted a thread there a fair while back now about what I thought was a general issue and it got moved to the Health section, and countless threads across the years have been blasted away to spam.

Also I didn't know our election was just a rushed copy of the CH one, for shame. That said, hopefully this new policy or whatever will be something that actually works well for the community rather than just a people-pleasing idea that ends up either getting reversed or not affecting anyone. Not that we ever have updates like that of course...

[Tintinnabulate]

The death of Discuss Anything can largely be attributed to the fact that there are forum areas for pretty much everything now except for random (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=642995) pointless (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=642842) questions (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=642985), anything else gets moved it seems. I posted a thread there a fair while back now about what I thought was a general issue and it got moved to the Health section, and countless threads across the years have been blasted away to spam.

Also I didn't know our election was just a rushed copy of the CH one, for shame. That said, hopefully this new policy or whatever will be something that actually works well for the community rather than just a people-pleasing idea that ends up either getting reversed or not affecting anyone. Not that we ever have updates like that of course...

The update will be good and many people will probably use it/like it. I highly doubt it will be reversed unless there is something majorily wrong with it. Just wait till sunday =]

And I agree about threads being moved, I posted how Google has changed its page and it was moved to Technology.

[Nixt]

Also I didn't know our election was just a rushed copy of the CH one, for shame. That said, hopefully this new policy or whatever will be something that actually works well for the community rather than just a people-pleasing idea that ends up either getting reversed or not affecting anyone. Not that we ever have updates like that of course...

When Oli and I came up the idea we genuinely had no idea (believe it or not) about the CHF Election, and the way ours was run and executed was significantly different to theirs. It was mentioned quite a while back at the start of the General Election campaigning in real life as we discussed possible things we could do to tie in with it, seeing as we knew quite a lot of our members were following the real life election with enthusiasm. The actual details weren't discussed and planned until after CHF had posted the details of their election as we pretty much planned and posted the details on the same day, but it was mentioned and pretty much decided upon beforehand.

[Catzsy]

Someone quite clearly forgot to read the entirety of my post. I'll rise above and see if anyone else (like they began for Catzsy replied) has anything genuine and valid to help Habbox.

Anyway, to use CH as an example they've had four big updates in the last week:

http://www.clubhabboforum.net/forumdisplay.php?f=11
Account sharing
Policy updates - plan to change name changes and may others
Taking people off the blacklist, giving people another chance
Reputation changes

Well Habbox has been very busy itself in recent times:
Scrapping of post approval
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=620251&p=6208744#post6208744
Changes to reputation]
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=620715
Twitter User Filed added to profiles
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=620973&p=6218331#post6218331
New Video rule
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=632793
Rules revamp
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=633444
Site Updates]
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=633501
Ex- staff members merit badge and forum]
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=634377
Summary of User Interface Tweaks since the introduction of vB4 ]
'Habbo UK News & Rumours' description changed
Removal of the 'Hobbies' forum
Arcade Returns ~ Chance for you to choose new games!
Post-bit style chooser now available.
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=634469&p=6368874#post6368874
Removal of the OS sub-forums,
Changes in rep power for new users,
New userbars for Donators,
FAQ Update,
Release of Mobile Skin,
Image Resizer enabled.
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=635478
New Social Groups
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=635712
New Mobile Skin,
Arcade Changes,
Return of the Radio Plugin,
New Forum Rules Images.
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=636814
Updates to Habbox Rare Values system
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=636814
Re-organisation of 'Help / Questions / Feedback' Section
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=643075

Also number of posts/threads is not necessarily a key to a successful forum. Take Miss Alice - a very valued member of the forum but not that many posts. Habbox probably has less spam than a lot of other forums and so is known for quality rather than having to go through 10 threads to find one worthwhile. In fact we have many active quality forums. Members have not migrated in large numbers
and as I say many members join every day.


Taking people off the blacklist, giving people another chance

This interests me as I would say it takes a great deal more to ban somebody on Habbox than it would there and I know the management review bans and sutobans regularly and many members have been afforded a second chance. As I said before, although you didn't consider it, genuine or valid I believe that Habbox should really capitalise on the Habbo Merge with a lot of staff resources going into it. One thing that I would introduce is probably letting members have pictures of themselves in their avatars. I do think that now we allow them elsewhere on the forum the time has now come. What ideas do you have?

[immense]

How many of those encourage posting? Not many at all. This is the issue here, please stay on topic within my thread. I have already said I'm puzzled as to why posting has decline as has been corroborated with what Saurav has collected and that the only outcome is to do something controversial. However, I've been informed some strong changes are planned and seeing as the management team is relatively new (to their current positions) I feel I should see what happens within the next week or two and then I'll bless you with my ideas.

[Tintinnabulate]

Like I said before, most Moderators and Super Moderators rarely post. We all know who they are. I really think "Post regularly around the forum" should be added to their job description. If staff don't bother posting, why would the members bother?

[immense]

Yeah, I think they should be advised to post more. People are always more inclined to reply to threads made by senior figures. My threads when I was management would get more replies than they would now. I think that's management in general though Saurav rather than the moderation department. I don't know who the Super Moderators are any more and I've visited every few days since 2006 so it's not like I'm totally out of touch although my posting has declined.

[Nixt]

Like I said before, most Moderators and Super Moderators rarely post. We all know who they are. I really think "Post regularly around the forum" should be added to their job description. If staff don't bother posting, why would the members bother?

I recently revamped the Moderator's Guide and ensured it included:

As well as keeping the forum clean, you have a number of responsibilities as a Moderator that will be monitored throughout your trial and during your time on this team, these are:


Regularly posting around the forum, particularly in your section,
Posting in threads to encourage discussion and
Giving members reputation for good posts.

These are all very important parts of your job!

I do agree that staff posting is an issue but that is not limited to Moderators. We have a significant number of staff and they often make up a significant proportion of our online members and if they are not posting outside of their staff forums this does make the forum look very quiet. We did post a couple of threads before but they don't seem to have had a very big impact so I do think it's something we should look in to.

[immense]

That's difficult though because you can't really make it mandatory because their task is to do their jobs. I know some of my best RVRs would come on for 10mins per day, post the most accurate reports and get back to trade on Habbo.

[Tintinnabulate]

Yeah, I think they should be advised to post more. People are always more inclined to reply to threads made by senior figures. My threads when I was management would get more replies than they would now. I think that's management in general though Saurav rather than the moderation department. I don't know who the Super Moderators are any more and I've visited every few days since 2006 so it's not like I'm totally out of touch although my posting has declined.

I remember when I joined, I liked it when management / super mods replied to my thread or posts. I also replied to their threads or posts regularly. There are some managers who post regularly and there are some who never post. Till this week, I didn't know Faboosh was the Rare Values manager. I only realised when the resignation announcement was posted.

[Catzsy]

How many of those encourage posting? Not many at all. This is the issue here, please stay on topic within my thread. I have already said I'm puzzled as to why posting has decline as has been corroborated with what Saurav has collected and that the only outcome is to do something controversial. However, I've been informed some strong changes are planned and seeing as the management team is relatively new (to their current positions) I feel I should see what happens within the next week or two and then I'll bless you with my ideas.

I am staying on topic with your thread. I have only answered the points you have raised. Nice to know we are going to be blessed with ideas. At least I have suggested some. Controversial like what? As you say it's your thread so you should be at the forefront of suggestions. As to what Saurav says, I completely agree. Any staff should be active and contributing members as well. He does have a point there.

[Tintinnabulate]

I am staying on topic with your thread. I have only answered the points you have raised. Nice to know we are going to be blessed with ideas. At least I have suggested some. Controversial like what? As you say it's your thread so you should be at the forefront of suggestions.

Although it would be great if Jake posts his ideas now rather than later, his thread's aim was to ask others for suggestions and there is no problem with that. This thread has already resulted in some good ideas. Could a member of management please reply to my essay in this thread with their opinions? :).

[Richie]

I think it'd be good if people could like/dislike other peoples posts, kinda like facebook, but I doubt that could happen. Yeah we have the rep system but its pointless cos the majority of the time the -reps get removed. I think the forums grand, Its just going a little inactive because people are studying for exams, the election **** did my head in.

[immense]

I think it'd be good if people could like other peoples posts, kinda like facebook, but I doubt that could happen. I think the forums grand, Its just going a little inactive because people are studying for exams, the election **** did my head in.
I think a thanks system would be awesome! I was against it but I think it could do well. It'd have to replace reputation though which is a good system and been part of Habbox for so many years.

[Catzsy]

I think it'd be good if people could like/dislike other peoples posts, kinda like facebook, but I doubt that could happen. Yeah we have the rep system but its pointless cos the majority of the time the -reps get removed. I think the forums grand, Its just going a little inactive because people are studying for exams, the election **** did my head in.

We do have a 'rate thread' system at the top of the forum that never gets used - I am sure that would be good to use.

[FlyingJesus]

This interests me as I would say it takes a great deal more to ban somebody on Habbox than it would there and I know the management review bans and sutobans regularly and many members have been afforded a second chance.

As far as I could tell from the thread that got linked, the "blacklist" is just their name for the DNHL here rather than anything to do with actual bans.


As I said before, although you didn't consider it, genuine or valid I believe that Habbox should really capitalise on the Habbo Merge with a lot of staff resources going into it. One thing that I would introduce is probably letting members have pictures of themselves in their avatars. I do think that now we allow them elsewhere on the forum the time has now come. What ideas do you have?

The merge represents a great opportunity to get a new wave of members in, but we still have (as we did last year when I was making threads to the effect) a problem with retaining them in any number or quality. Pictures in avatars comes up fairly often as a suggestion but as far as I've ever seen it always gets shot down - not just by management but by the general populace.


I don't know who the Super Moderators are any more and I've visited every few days since 2006 so it's not like I'm totally out of touch although my posting has declined.

Init I'm here most days really (cool kid) and I wouldn't be able to name the mod team at all. Maybe I'm just that good these days, but I think a fair chunk of the blame lies with them not integrating with the community enough.


That's difficult though because you can't really make it mandatory because their task is to do their jobs. I know some of my best RVRs would come on for 10mins per day, post the most accurate reports and get back to trade on Habbo.

With RVRs that's acceptable I'd say, as they're still doing their job properly in that way. When it comes to community management (ie: not so much site staff) and moderation there really should be more of a presence, as they're meant to be a part of the forum by definition.


I remember when I joined, I liked it when management / super mods replied to my thread or posts. I also replied to their threads or posts regularly. There are some managers who post regularly and there are some who never post. Till this week, I didn't know Faboosh was the Rare Values manager. I only realised when the resignation announcement was posted.

I think the problem lies partly in the fact that people have for the past god knows how long been demanding that staff and members be treated with more equality, when in terms of making an actual status of staff - and in particular higher up members of staff - the opposite would be more helpful. There needs to somehow be a balance between them being "one of us" as it were and still being a dominant force that people respect if not like. I'm sure it's not the case with all staff but I think pretty much everyone knows that a lot of community staff (DJs and Help Desk staff in particular) are ignored as being beneath even normal members in many threads they get into, especially ones that tend to require you to have your own opinions, and there's not going to be any easy way to sort out staff-member relations without making paradoxical demands.

[dogboy123]

Not reading the whole thread, but I think a major key to getting more people signed up is through habbo. On total just trhough HxHD I've got about 10+ people signed up and running on the forum. If we pushed the forum on habbo then it'd be a win win situation!

[Catzsy]

The merge represents a great opportunity to get a new wave of members in, but we still have (as we did last year when I was making threads to the effect) a problem with retaining them in any number or quality. Pictures in avatars comes up fairly often as a suggestion but as far as I've ever seen it always gets shot down - not just by management but by the general populace.

Well I personally think things have moved on now. There used to be no pictures, then pictures in a thread now pictures on the forum except for an avatar so the reasons given then probably bullying etc etc have gone really. I know some people think they look 'tacky' but most of the other forums/social networking sites have them for teens so it seems to be a normal requirement these days and is expected. We do have a new management team so worth putting forward.

[Nixt]

Regarding having pictures of yourself as an avatar I did create feedback poll regarding this to which the majority answered no. It appears that all of the feedback polls have disappeared though so if a significant amount of members seem in favour of this I will create another one to see if opinions have changed.

[hah]

Like I said before, most Moderators and Super Moderators rarely post. We all know who they are. I really think "Post regularly around the forum" should be added to their job description. If staff don't bother posting, why would the members bother?

i agree here and even when they post they are so annoying and gay (happy)
it really gets on my nerves, the only ones who dont seem to be doing this is dinasaw, orangessh and dannnzo
which i like because they act like a normal user..

[Hecktix]

Moderator posting has increased since I've been in Forum Management as it was one of the things that Garion and I saw that needed to be cracked down upon when we took over. I agree that moderators do not post enough, in particular the Super Moderators and will be looking at ways to increase this posting.

A lot of our team are busy with exams at the moment though, so this may explain some absence.

[HotelUser]

Well you've been away half the time so I don't really expect you to understand. It's funny how you criticise me though when Saurav, Grig, Garion, FlyingJesus and Oli have agreed with me in certain elements. It was actually after a conversation with General Management that I posted this as you'd understand if you read the entirety of the post. Your attitude is very poor. General Management asked me what I'd do to help their decline in posts, I said I was unsure and made this thread to try and generate ideas. I don't have any more spare time on my hands than I have in the last few months so that false accusation is just trying to stir arguments. Same old. Also, just because you disliked ---MAD--- he made Habbox official, improved inter-department working, had a much bigger presence on Habbo etc. I'd say it was at its peak with him at the helm in fact. Don't let personal judgements blur reality.


Someone with sense.


Again, you've never been overly active on the forum and wouldn't understand. Those who have, have agreed with me. Once again, if you'd read the entirety of the thread you would have realised I stated categorically there is nothing fundamentally wrong with Habbox. However, there is a decline in posting. New posts go back an hour sometimes, threads in Spam go back 24 hours sometimes. In my four years at Habbox, that has never happened.

Your accusation is pretty lame, considering I too have been, especially 2006 onward, always active on the forum, and have worked under each GM and AGM (the smart, and not so smart) since. The incentives to join and attract users when I was apparently incognito for the past six years have been more than lame. Paying $300 for a flash-based chat which a grand total of three people actually used was a horribly unattractive decision. To increase members and forum popularity Garion and Oliver, in conjunction with the events department, should be doing exactly what they've been doing for months. Getting the Habbox name out there on the client, and then keeping new forum users here with the well-kept atmosphere and forum events (like the election) is going to play a key role in drawing in all sorts of new American and Australian users proceeding the merge. If anyone is slacking, in my opinion, it's whoever's responsible (if anyone) for forum coding. There are a lot of useful forum plugins, such as live posts, tapatalk plugin, BBCode in usertitles and interactive javascript content which would enhance the forum, and improve on it significantly. Just the push required to get embedded youtube (which intertwined to the long wait for the vbulletin upgrade, and the skins not being done prior to) was what I'd regard as a hint of laziness which should have happened. Other than something like that I'm not even sure there's much constructive to Habbox's popularity decisions to be made through this thread. Especially since general management (of which two of them have previously managed the forum) are flexible and have a vast experience of knowing what works and what doesn't, and that Oliver has already stated, in what's a satisfactory lengthy post, targets outlining his commitment and plans to increase forum activity.

[Tintinnabulate]

Garion, Oli, any reply to this please? :) http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=643162&p=6456993#post6456993

Your accusation is pretty lame, considering I too have been, especially 2006 onward, always active on the forum, and have worked under each GM and AGM (the smart, and not so smart) since. The incentives to join and attract users when I was apparently incognito for the past six years have been more than lame. Paying $300 for a flash-based chat which a grand total of three people actually used was a horribly unattractive decision. To increase members and forum popularity Garion and Oliver, in conjunction with the events department, should be doing exactly what they've been doing for months. Getting the Habbox name out there on the client, and then keeping new forum users here with the well-kept atmosphere and forum events (like the election) is going to play a key role in drawing in all sorts of new American and Australian users proceeding the merge. If anyone is slacking, in my opinion, it's whoever's responsible (if anyone) for forum coding. There are a lot of useful forum plugins, such as live posts, tapatalk plugin, BBCode in usertitles and interactive javascript content which would enhance the forum, and improve on it significantly. Just the push required to get embedded youtube (which intertwined to the long wait for the vbulletin upgrade, and the skins not being done prior to) was what I'd regard as a hint of laziness which should have happened. Other than something like that I'm not even sure there's much constructive to Habbox's popularity decisions to be made through this thread. Especially since general management (of which two of them have previously managed the forum) are flexible and have a vast experience of knowing what works and what doesn't, and that Oliver has already stated, in what's a satisfactory lengthy post, targets outlining his commitment and plans to increase forum activity.

Live post has been discussed. It would slow the forum down too much.
BBCode in usertitles is not there as members cannot have editable usertitles. Donors can have editable ones while VIP can have HTML ones.
Javascript is likely to cause security flaws. Many skins were done before the vb4 release? Only the old ones were recreated after. It took time to get them up as Jin wasn't on as much as no one else had FTP access. So you are trying to point out flaws which never existed. Sort your own department out first seriously as you seem to have zero clue about the forum.

[Catzsy]

i agree here and even when they post they are so annoying and gay (happy)
it really gets on my nerves, the only ones who dont seem to be doing this is dinasaw, orangessh and dannnzo
which i like because they act like a normal user..

Well the rest of us will remember that in future. Not.............:P

[Alkaz]

Habbox.com is also getting a makeover. Jin posted an announcement regarding it earlier this year stating you will be able to customise the site, move the content boxes around etc, so that should make Habbox unique as no other fansites offer that.
Habbox needs to offer more things rather than just Rare Values as the key thing. I have suggested to Alkaz a few ideas for the site, which he liked so I am hoping they will be implemented if they can get the right people to do it.
Indeed you did. Hopefully some of them ideas will be implemented as soon as possible or with the new version of Habbox. :)

[HotelUser]

Garion, Oli, any reply to this please? :) http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=643162&p=6456993#post6456993


Live post has been discussed. It would slow the forum down too much.
BBCode in usertitles is not there as members cannot have editable usertitles. Donors can have editable ones while VIP can have HTML ones.
Javascript is likely to cause security flaws. Many skins were done before the vb4 release? Only the old ones were recreated after. It took time to get them up as Jin wasn't on as much as no one else had FTP access. So you are trying to point out flaws which never existed. Sort your own department out first seriously as you seem to have zero clue about the forum.

That's true about live posts, but I thought other forums of the same popularity as Habbox had them?

Since when could VIPs directly embed HTML into their signatures?

Javascript is a client side language and would pose absolutely no threats to Habbox Forum.

There was a delay after VB4 (along with many complaining threads) about themes, or rather lack thereof.

My department is already sorted. I would consider it exceedingly petty to bring in old quarrels between you and my staffmembers into a thread about Habbox Forum.

[Tintinnabulate]

(which intertwined to the long wait for the vbulletin upgrade, and the skins not being done prior to) was what I'd regard as a hint of laziness which should have happened.

Just to add to my above post: There was one person doing the skins. A good skin doesn't take 5 minutes to make you know. The only skins which were made afterwards were the old skins.

[HotelUser]

Just to add to my above post: There was one person doing the skins. A good skin doesn't take 5 minutes to make you know. The only skins which were made afterwards were the old skins.

There are, I am sure, able and willing users (as I pointed out at the time) who would have been more and happy to do up some wonderful skins. Jewish Bear was practically posting thread per minute on what needed to be done, he should have been allowed to theme himself.

[Tintinnabulate]

That's true about live posts, but I thought other forums of the same popularity as Habbox had them?

Since when could VIPs directly embed HTML into their signatures?

Javascript is a client side language and would pose absolutely no threats to Habbox Forum.

There was a delay after VB4 (along with many complaining threads) about themes, or rather lack thereof.

My department is already sorted. I would consider it exceedingly petty to bring in old quarrels between you and my staffmembers into a thread about Habbox Forum.

I am honestly starting to think you are drunk today.
Other forums dont have a huge database like habbox's. Only those who have owned/run such a large forum realise how bad live posts is. Its ok for small forums, never for big ones.

When did I say anything about signatures? I said usertitles as you mentioned usertitles. HTML should never be allowed in signatures. It is a security flaw and vB recommend that you do not allow it. I could easily add 10000000 pop ups in my signature. I am sure you would love that.

You said skins weren't made. Tbh I prefer good skins rather than crap rushed skins.

If you read my first post in this thread (located on page 3) you will see that your department is far from sorted. I get warned for stupid things such as making jokes or calling someone an idiot in a friendly jokey way.

[Nixt]

I am surprised I didn't see this thread till now. I too have noticed a lot of members being online but a lack of posts. Take the 'Discuss Anything' forum for example, a year or two ago, the first page was filled with posts made in one day. Now it goes back several days.

Policy 'in my day' was if a thread in "Discuss Anything" and was relevant to another forum as well it should be left in Discuss Anything providing it isn't really more suited to another forum. For example a thread such as "HELP MY COMPUTER R BROKE" would really be better suited in Tech but something like "What computer would you buy?" if posted in Discuss Anything could really just stay there. This is really down to Moderator discretion; if a more established member posts such a thread in Discuss Anything it is obvious they did so because they wanted it there. This is something I am sure Oli will look into.


I have been on this forum for over 5 years and number of posts in these forums have declined slowly mainly due to the people who used to post in them used to break a few rules too. Over time they ended up being perm banned. They left, meaning less activity, meaning some others left too.
That is why I have always asked for a mass unban. Place all unbanned users in a special usergroup, if they get more than 2 infractions = ban again as they clearly don't deserve to be here.

Even Habbo unban users from perm bans so I dont see why Habbox can't. It will increase a bit of activity for sure, and that is beneficial to the forum. Like I said, the special usergroup will mean the unbanned users will probably not break rules as they will want to keep their account.

I personally don't think this is a good idea. A significant amount of the people who are banned are banned for a good reason and I feel it's only fair, just and reasonable to keep those bans. If members feel their ban is unfair they are more than welcome to appeal it and we are generally quite good on evaluating situations. I'll cut you a deal, though. Perhaps on the weekend when I have a little more time I will go through the Permanent ban lists and have a look see if I think there are certain bans that aren't fair or could be considered unfair in the current forum climate. If I think there are I will unban the user and email them informing them that there old account is unbanned. I will have to discuss this with both Matt and Oli first, I'm just throwing ideas out there.


Habbox.com is also getting a makeover. Jin posted an announcement regarding it earlier this year stating you will be able to customise the site, move the content boxes around etc, so that should make Habbox unique as no other fansites offer that.
Habbox needs to offer more things rather than just Rare Values as the key thing. I have suggested to Alkaz a few ideas for the site, which he liked so I am hoping they will be implemented if they can get the right people to do it.

Yes I think this will be happening in the summer which is good! Habbox.com is our number one source for members and if this is optimised the forum will benefit from it.


It will also be good to do more forum wide competitions - where members have to get together - as it makes the forum more active. The Forum Elections clearly increased activity. It also meant a lot of new members signed up to vote and hopefully some of those will stay on to post etc.

I really did enjoy the Forum Election competition and I would love to do more. I'll be honest though I do find it hard to come up with ideas sometimes but we will try. If anyone can suggest any competitions I'd be more than willing to start running them.


Another thing I think is vital (and this used to happen a lot back in 2006-2007), is for Forum (Super) Moderators to create threads and post regularly. I am not going to name any names as its unfair, but most Forum (Super) Moderators rarely ever create threads or make posts. Its a fact that new members love it when people in Red / Lime reply to their threads/posts.

This has now been addressed by Oli within the Mod Forum and will also be closely monitored by us both.


This is not forum related but ... some HxHD staff are ridiculous. They are like robots. They look for key terms and not actually read the whole conversation. I was having a joke with someone in there and I called that person an idiot (clearly as a joke if they read the whole convo) and I got a warning. I am sure only JamesOYES seems to have common sense there.

You can contact me with any complaints about HxHD Staff and I will look into it. I am sure Ben and David would also like to know if there staff aren't doing their jobs properly too. We can only fix these things if you give us examples and show us when it does happen.

[HotelUser]

I am honestly starting to think you are drunk today.
Other forums dont have a huge database like habbox's. Only those who have owned/run such a large forum realise how bad live posts is. Its ok for small forums, never big ones.

When did I say anything about signatures? I said usertitles as you mentioned usertitles. HTML should never be allowed in signatures. It is a security flaw and vB recommend that you do not allow it. I could easily add 10000000 pop ups in my signature. I am sure you would love that.

You said skins weren't made. Tbh I prefer good skins rather than crap rushed skins.

If you read my first post in this thread (located on page 3) you will see that your department is far from sorted. I get warned for stupid things such as making jokes or calling someone an idiot in a friendly jokey way.


Contrary to what's not popular believe I'm not drunk.

I meant usertitles, you cannot directly embed HTML into usertitles for the exact reasons you outlined. That's why BBCode would be the suitable replacement which has not been implemented.

Read my last post about skins.

If you're experiencing problems with HxHD, you shouldn't post it in a HxF thread. You should make a new thread or PM HxHD management.

[Tintinnabulate]

Contrary to what's not popular believe I'm not drunk.

I meant usertitles, you cannot directly embed HTML into usertitles for the exact reasons you outlined. That's why BBCode would be the suitable replacement which has not been implemented.

Read my last post about skins.

If you're experiencing problems with HxHD, you shouldn't post it in a HxF thread. You should make a new thread or PM HxHD management.

BBCode would mean brandon and Yoshi will not have much to do :P I dont think it would be possible to have multiple line usertitles using BBCode. Asking brandon etc to do it doesn't take long and they usually do it within 24 hours.

[Nixt]

There are, I am sure, able and willing users (as I pointed out at the time) who would have been more and happy to do up some wonderful skins. Jewish Bear was practically posting thread per minute on what needed to be done, he should have been allowed to theme himself.

If members would like to make a skin for us and have the ability to do we would love to hear from them!


Contrary to what's not popular believe I'm not drunk.

I meant usertitles, you cannot directly embed HTML into usertitles for the exact reasons you outlined. That's why BBCode would be the suitable replacement which has not been implemented.

Read my last post about skins.

If you're experiencing problems with HxHD, you shouldn't post it in a HxF thread. You should make a new thread or PM HxHD management.

People can request VIP HTML usertitles is what he means.

[HotelUser]

BBCode would mean brandon and Yoshi will not have much to do :P I dont think it would be possible to have multiple line usertitles using BBCode. Asking brandon etc to do it doesn't take long and they usually do it within 24 hours.

No it's not. All it requires is replacing the input box with a textbox, a few lines of preg_replace and nl2br.

[xxMATTGxx]

I am honestly starting to think you are drunk today.
Other forums dont have a huge database like habbox's. Only those who have owned/run such a large forum realise how bad live posts is. Its ok for small forums, never for big ones.

When did I say anything about signatures? I said usertitles as you mentioned usertitles. HTML should never be allowed in signatures. It is a security flaw and vB recommend that you do not allow it. I could easily add 10000000 pop ups in my signature. I am sure you would love that.

You said skins weren't made. Tbh I prefer good skins rather than crap rushed skins.

If you read my first post in this thread (located on page 3) you will see that your department is far from sorted. I get warned for stupid things such as making jokes or calling someone an idiot in a friendly jokey way.


Contrary to what's not popular believe I'm not drunk.

I meant usertitles, you cannot directly embed HTML into usertitles for the exact reasons you outlined. That's why BBCode would be the suitable replacement which has not been implemented.

Read my last post about skins.

If you're experiencing problems with HxHD, you shouldn't post it in a HxF thread. You should make a new thread or PM HxHD management.


Are you two getting confused regarding the so called "HTML" user titles for VIPs where they can be bold, in colour or even scrolling etc. That gets done by the Feature Managers and they can't add that themselves.


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Forum Skins:

We know that users aren't too popular with the new skin choices we have at the moment but we are thinking about getting another one made or even a couple more. Although I won't promise anything but it sure is in discussion. If you can create skins for Vb 4 then do please stand up and wave to us (contact myself or Forum Management)

Live Post:

It may of been a good feature but this is something we did not want to add on to the forum. I believe it was something to do with the impact of the server load.

Javascript:

What JavaScript are we actually talking about here?

Vb4 Delay:

It wasn't really our fault, although you may say it is because we chose to upgrade to it. But the fact certain releases/updates kept getting pushed back by vBulletin, it took longer to get installed public. Although we always did have a test forum so we could try the skins out etc etc.

Thanks System:

I do like thanks systems although on some forums it counts for reputation and others it doesn't. So the reputation system as we know it would probably have to be demolished, which could put some upset to users. So probably would not happen.


I probably have missed stuff but I will keep checking the thread over and over again and try and post with answers.

[Tintinnabulate]

Are you two getting confused regarding the so called "HTML" user titles for VIPs where they can be bold, in colour or even scrolling etc. That gets done by the Feature Managers and they can't add that themselves.


------------------------------

Forum Skins:

We know that users aren't too popular with the new skin choices we have at the moment but we are thinking about getting another one made or even a couple more. Although I won't promise anything but it sure is in discussion. If you can create skins for Vb 4 then do please stand up and wave to us (contact myself or Forum Management)

Live Post:

It may of been a good feature but this is something we did not want to add on to the forum. I believe it was something to do with the impact of the server load.

Javascript:

What JavaScript are we actually talking about here?

Vb4 Delay:

It wasn't really our fault, although you may say it is because we chose to upgrade to it. But the fact certain releases/updates kept getting pushed back by vBulletin, it took longer to get installed public. Although we always did have a test forum so we could try the skins out etc etc.

Thanks System:

I do like thanks systems although on some forums it counts for reputation and others it doesn't. So the reputation system as we know it would probably have to be demolished, which could put some upset to users.


I probably have missed stuff but I will keep checking the thread over and over again and try and post with answers.

HotelUser seems to be confused about HTML yes :).

Install a thanks system and I will hack you and delete this forum kk. It was discussed in lenth last time and it was agreed it wont be installed as its useless, crap and pointless. Dont bring it up again for debate please :(.

[Nixt]

HotelUser seems to be confused about HTML yes :).

Install a thanks system and I will hack you and delete this forum kk. It was discussed in lenth last time and it was agreed it wont be installed as its useless, crap and pointless. Dont bring it up again for debate please :(.

I personally agree with this, I don't feel a thanks system is really that good and I'd rather stick with reputation.

[HotelUser]

HotelUser seems to be confused about HTML yes :).

Install a thanks system and I will hack you and delete this forum kk. It was discussed in lenth last time and it was agreed it wont be installed as its useless, crap and pointless. Dont bring it up again for debate please :(.

Nope, you are entirely confused about HTML. Refer to this (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=643162&p=6457638#post6457638) post.

[Tintinnabulate]

Nope, you are entirely confused about HTML. Refer to this (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=643162&p=6457638#post6457638) post.

You mentioned BBCode usertitles. I said HTML usertitles exist but you have to request it. Then you mentioned HTML signatures.

[Hecktix]

I am surprised I didn't see this thread till now. I too have noticed a lot of members being online but a lack of posts. Take the 'Discuss Anything' forum for example, a year or two ago, the first page was filled with posts made in one day. Now it goes back several days.

Discuss Anything is a peculiar forum, I personally don't like it, when it was introduced Habbox's other forums were much more restrictive, however now I believe we have forums which cater for most topics and on the rare occasion something doesnt fit we have Discuss Anything. There was a point last year where I felt people would post in discuss anything out of sheer laziness to post in the correct forum. In terms of forums in general being quiet, it's because Habbox is quiet and I think one of the main issues is that staff are not posting as much as staff used to.


I have been on this forum for over 5 years and number of posts in these forums have declined slowly mainly due to the people who used to post in them used to break a few rules too. Over time they ended up being perm banned. They left, meaning less activity, meaning some others left too.
That is why I have always asked for a mass unban. Place all unbanned users in a special usergroup, if they get more than 2 infractions = ban again as they clearly don't deserve to be here.

Even Habbo unban users from perm bans so I dont see why Habbox can't. It will increase a bit of activity for sure, and that is beneficial to the forum. Like I said, the special usergroup will mean the unbanned users will probably not break rules as they will want to keep their account.Where I see the benefits of this I see more problems, 95% of permanently banned users are free to create a new account and post at Habbox Forum, you have done it, Jake has done it, Graham has done it and recently Wootzeh has returned on a new account also. We do clear the "Autoban" list quite regularly and something we have started introducing is extended temporary autobans rather than permanent autobans.


Secondly, I would rather Matt makes good decisions rather than quick ones which end up harming the forum. I agree whole heartedly.


Thirdly, read my signature :). I can't say anything else about it but to read my signature. If what I think will happen happens, people will love it. That's all I can say. I think this will be a big statement to the Forum that members are listened to, it was often said following the Election that no policies would be implemented so I think the fact that we are implementing certain policies suggested by The Rainbow Party (watch this space) will really shine out, it will also bode well for future competitions as it will show they have more promise. I noticed a thread on ClubHabboForum about their election in which SkaterChu shot down every single policy his candidates suggested. Bit different here, eh? .


It will also be good to do more forum wide competitions - where members have to get together - as it makes the forum more active. The Forum Elections clearly increased activity. It also meant a lot of new members signed up to vote and hopefully some of those will stay on to post etc.As said above, I think our changes on sunday will really give value to such competitions and as Forum Manager I intend to run a lot of competitions like this. I know the Competitions Department are cooking something special up for the World Cup which they would like our help with and I am also planning a few forum things too. I will also be speaking to Roxy about bringing the Habbox Summer Spectacular onto the forum as well, instead of it simply just being a Habbo thing which I think will be good.


Another thing I think is vital (and this used to happen a lot back in 2006-2007), is for Forum (Super) Moderators to create threads and post regularly. I am not going to name any names as its unfair, but most Forum (Super) Moderators rarely ever create threads or make posts. Its a fact that new members love it when people in Red / Lime reply to their threads/posts. As Garion said, this is actually part of the Moderator job description and I have made efforts to re-enforce this recently.

@ thanks system = NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Richie]

just leave the forum how it is for **** sake, i hate change, its grand how it is ppl are just trying to add pointless things that we don't need.

[HotelUser]

You mentioned BBCode usertitles. I said HTML usertitles exist but you have to request it. Then you mentioned HTML signatures.

I mentioned signatures first and then corrected myself proceeding this saying I meant to say titles, and I am perfectly aware that you can request an HTML title, but I'm saying the feature could be implemented directly into the profile editing page, which you completely ignored in my post.

[Tintinnabulate]

Where I see the benefits of this I see more problems, 95% of permanently banned users are free to create a new account and post at Habbox Forum, you have done it, Jake has done it, Graham has done it and recently Wootzeh has returned on a new account also. We do clear the "Autoban" list quite regularly and something we have started introducing is extended temporary autobans rather than permanent autobans.

What problems would a mass unban cause? I am sure the special usergroup would elimate a lot of them.

[Richie]

What problems would a mass unban cause? I am sure the special usergroup would elimate a lot of them.

It would cause certain people to leave the navy and come bk, we dnt want that, soz ur permmed bud, deal with it haaa yeowwwwwww.

[Hecktix]

What problems would a mass unban cause? I am sure the special usergroup would elimate a lot of them.

Well generally people get banned for good reason, if someone wants to use HxF after being banned they simply create a new account, I can't see it being any different if they were unbanned, if they wanted to post here they'd make a new account.

[Tintinnabulate]

Well generally people get banned for good reason, if someone wants to use HxF after being banned they simply create a new account, I can't see it being any different if they were unbanned, if they wanted to post here they'd make a new account.

I understand what you are saying but using your old account is totally different to a new one.

[Catzsy]

I understand what you are saying but using your old account is totally different to a new one.

So what does that mean for all the majority of the members that have never been banned and and have kept an account for years when they see others just getting their accounts back after perm bans? Preferential treatment for those who have been?. The rules are there for a reason and Habbox doesn't just ban members and any old ones that were banned by a previous member of management with no reason given have been looked at already. You have to go some on here to get a perm ban under the pm/warning/infraction system. If a person can't hack being permed banned then they shouldn't break the rules. Most proper E-rebels know it goes with the territory and accept it as such.

[Tintinnabulate]

So what does that mean for all the majority of the members that have never been banned and and have kept an account for years when they see others just getting their accounts back after perm bans? Preferential treatment for those who have been?. The rules are there for a reason and Habbox doesn't just ban members and any old ones that were banned by a previous member of management with no reason given have been looked at already. You have to go some on here to get a perm ban under the pm/warning/infraction system. If a person can't hack being permed banned then they shouldn't break the rules. Most proper E-rebels know it goes with the territory and accept it as such.

I merely suggested it to increase forum activity.

[Catzsy]

I merely suggested it to increase forum activity.

How is unbanning a few permed accounts going to increase activity?

[Inseriousity.]

I agree with Richie (wow, did I just say that? :P). It doesn't always have to be change, change, change. Improve what you've got before you change things.

[Tintinnabulate]

How is unbanning a few permed accounts going to increase activity?

I already explained it in my first post.

[HotelUser]

I already explained it in my first post.

These people who have been permed and have since moved on from Habbox will not suddenly flock back because they've been unbanned. Moreover most of them deserved to be perm banned anyways.

[Catzsy]

I already explained it in my first post.

There are so few Saurav - I really cannot see it making a difference except that the person concerned gets their account back and as most of the members who are already here on different accounts. People who have been on here and not banned should be recognised more if anything. The Anniversary VIP is okay for 5 years but maybe they should have something more if their account has never been banned at certain times e.g. 1. 2. 3 4, years. The only other accounts that are perm banned are spam bots, hackers, keyloggers etc who would not be welcome anyway.

[Hecktix]

There are so few Saurav - I really cannot see it making a difference except that the person concerned gets their account back and as most of the members who are already here on different accounts. People who have been on here and not banned should be recognised more if anything. The Anniversary VIP is okay for 5 years but maybe they should have something more is there account has never been banned at certain times e.g. 1. 2. 3 4, years.

Watch this space!

[Tintinnabulate]

There are so few Saurav - I really cannot see it making a difference except that the person concerned gets their account back and as most of the members who are already here on different accounts. People who have been on here and not banned should be recognised more if anything. The Anniversary VIP is okay for 5 years but maybe they should have something more if their account has never been banned at certain times e.g. 1. 2. 3 4, years.

A slightly increased activity is better than nothing.

[HotelUser]

A slightly increased activity is better than nothing.

previously banned trolls wont exactly be welcomed back with open arms :P

[Catzsy]

A slightly increased activity is better than nothing.

Well yes but surely they can be dealt with on their individual merits by members coming back on other acccounts and proving beyond any doubt that they should be given a second chance and get their old account back. A mass unban would not be fair as I said to those who do abide by the rules. Just my opinion though.

[hah]

scrap that pointless posting rule and only count it as things like "dsjfldjsfodsjflsdfjsdlfjlsd;frlkds;f,sdlfmds"

and add something like

"please add more content to your post" for posts like "lmaooooooo or lol"
i dont post in most threads because chances are it might be off topic

[Catzsy]

scrap that pointless posting rule and only count it as things like "dsjfldjsfodsjflsdfjsdlfjlsd;frlkds;f,sdlfmds"

and add something like

"please add more content to your post" for posts like "lmaooooooo or lol"
i dont post in most threads because chances are it might be off topic

I do have to agree with you here and it is something that management know I disagree on. Pointless is random - nothing else in my book such a ROFLKOPTER or VCHDSS. The old rule made a lot more sense in my opinion. A thread was allowed to go slightly off-topic but if it really started veering off in another direction with nothing to do with the thread then a mod would post to say 'please keep on-topic.' These posts are not pointless as they mean something and are usually related to the topic in some way. I would say this is a big factor putting members off posting.

[Richie]

scrap that pointless posting rule and only count it as things like "dsjfldjsfodsjflsdfjsdlfjlsd;frlkds;f,sdlfmds"

and add something like

"please add more content to your post" for posts like "lmaooooooo or lol"
i dont post in most threads because chances are it might be off topic


this



I do have to agree with you here and it is something that management know I disagree on. Pointless is random - nothing else in my book such a ROFLKOPTER or VCHDSS. The old rule made a lot more sense in my opinion. A thread was allowed to go slightly off-topic but if it really started veering off in another direction with nothing to do with the thread then a mod would post to say 'please keep on-topic.' These posts are not pointless as they mean something and are usually related to the topic in some way. I would say this is a big factor putting members off posting.


and this +rep


edit: gotta spread rosie

[Tintinnabulate]

previously banned trolls wont exactly be welcomed back with open arms :P

not everyone was banned for being a troll

[Black_Apalachi]

scrap that pointless posting rule and only count it as things like "dsjfldjsfodsjflsdfjsdlfjlsd;frlkds;f,sdlfmds"

and add something like

"please add more content to your post" for posts like "lmaooooooo or lol"
i dont post in most threads because chances are it might be off topic

I don't get how the content of your post compared to the topic, is down to chance. Surely you know what you are typing and can see whether it has any relevance or not?

[Blinger$]

Watch this space!
This is what annoys me. You guys always say "WATCH DIS SPACE" and then 5 months on nothing happens.


hey hye guess what forum.. watch this space! THERE WILL BE ANOTHER POST SOON! (its not a dig at you oli, just general management ;))


Your accusation is pretty lame, considering I too have been, especially 2006 onward, always active on the forum, and have worked under each GM and AGM (the smart, and not so smart) since. The incentives to join and attract users when I was apparently incognito for the past six years have been more than lame. Paying $300 for a flash-based chat which a grand total of three people actually used was a horribly unattractive decision. To increase members and forum popularity Garion and Oliver, in conjunction with the events department, should be doing exactly what they've been doing for months. Getting the Habbox name out there on the client, and then keeping new forum users here with the well-kept atmosphere and forum events (like the election) is going to play a key role in drawing in all sorts of new American and Australian users proceeding the merge. If anyone is slacking, in my opinion, it's whoever's responsible (if anyone) for forum coding. There are a lot of useful forum plugins, such as live posts, tapatalk plugin, BBCode in usertitles and interactive javascript content which would enhance the forum, and improve on it significantly. Just the push required to get embedded youtube (which intertwined to the long wait for the vbulletin upgrade, and the skins not being done prior to) was what I'd regard as a hint of laziness which should have happened. Other than something like that I'm not even sure there's much constructive to Habbox's popularity decisions to be made through this thread. Especially since general management (of which two of them have previously managed the forum) are flexible and have a vast experience of knowing what works and what doesn't, and that Oliver has already stated, in what's a satisfactory lengthy post, targets outlining his commitment and plans to increase forum activity.

As long as their are more events that international people can participate in, and it isn't JUST oriented around the UK. If we want to go international, we shouldn't just have the election crap when the UK are having an election, do it for the other countries too... Also, with competitions like the election new members stand next to no chance with winning. The older members will all bunch together and form a "super group" which most of the older folks will vote for, which leaves the newbies losing, thus them potentially leaving... Maybe if you set it so you have to have half the team as new members and half as old ones it'll incorporate everyone together?


Sorry, i used the election as an example, its just the most recent event.

[HotelUser]

This is what annoys me. You guys always say "WATCH DIS SPACE" and then 5 months on nothing happens.


hey hye guess what forum.. watch this space! THERE WILL BE ANOTHER POST SOON! (its not a dig at you oli, just general management ;))



As long as their are more events that international people can participate in, and it isn't JUST oriented around the UK. If we want to go international, we shouldn't just have the election crap when the UK are having an election, do it for the other countries too... Also, with competitions like the election new members stand next to no chance with winning. The older members will all bunch together and form a "super group" which most of the older folks will vote for, which leaves the newbies losing, thus them potentially leaving... Maybe if you set it so you have to have half the team as new members and half as old ones it'll incorporate everyone together?


Sorry, i used the election as an example, its just the most recent event.

I wasn't overly enthusiastic about the election because I'm from Canada--I obviously don't care about British politics :p However I thought the HxF election was pretty cool, it was around the same time as the UK election yeah, but I don't think they were debating Europe related issues!

Luring in without intimidating new young users has been something that's been discussed for awhile, I'm not sure there's a quick remedy for it.

[xxMATTGxx]

This is what annoys me. You guys always say "WATCH DIS SPACE" and then 5 months on nothing happens.


hey hye guess what forum.. watch this space! THERE WILL BE ANOTHER POST SOON! (its not a dig at you oli, just general management ;))



As long as their are more events that international people can participate in, and it isn't JUST oriented around the UK. If we want to go international, we shouldn't just have the election crap when the UK are having an election, do it for the other countries too... Also, with competitions like the election new members stand next to no chance with winning. The older members will all bunch together and form a "super group" which most of the older folks will vote for, which leaves the newbies losing, thus them potentially leaving... Maybe if you set it so you have to have half the team as new members and half as old ones it'll incorporate everyone together?


Sorry, i used the election as an example, its just the most recent event.

I understand how annoying that can be. Although the thing Oli is talking about is* currently being developed, sadly it doesn't take a couple of days to get it all correct and perfect!

* = I think he is talking about this, if not then oops.

[immense]

Awesomeeeeeeee maffew. Anyway, what m^ or whatever said is a good point. You seem to be banking on a lot of people signing up on the merge which is very likely seeing as this is still the biggest UK forum, if not the most active. For this to happen and for them to stay you need to entice them with US/CA/AU/SG events, even if it's just forum competitions asking questions about their country. What is the biggest region in Canada? What is the currency in Australia? - examples. That way, British people can google and the international users will feel like something is being done for them. Just an idea.

[Blinger$]

Awesomeeeeeeee maffew. Anyway, what m^ or whatever said is a good point. You seem to be banking on a lot of people signing up on the merge which is very likely seeing as this is still the biggest UK forum, if not the most active. For this to happen and for them to stay you need to entice them with US/CA/AU/SG events, even if it's just forum competitions asking questions about their country. What is the biggest region in Canada? What is the currency in Australia? - examples. That way, British people can google and the international users will feel like something is being done for them. Just an idea.

Call me blinger ;)

I think the best comp I've Entered so far was the one about the capitals of each country! Amazin' comp tbh

[immense]

I also agree whole heartedly with Graham and Rosie I think it was with the off-topic posting rule.

[Nixt]

This is what annoys me. You guys always say "WATCH DIS SPACE" and then 5 months on nothing happens.


hey hye guess what forum.. watch this space! THERE WILL BE ANOTHER POST SOON! (its not a dig at you oli, just general management ;))

There are many things that are being worked on and I am sorry if in the past you have experienced that these changes don't come about. I can assure you though if we mention something is being implemented regarding something it will happen :).


As long as their are more events that international people can participate in, and it isn't JUST oriented around the UK. If we want to go international, we shouldn't just have the election crap when the UK are having an election, do it for the other countries too... Also, with competitions like the election new members stand next to no chance with winning. The older members will all bunch together and form a "super group" which most of the older folks will vote for, which leaves the newbies losing, thus them potentially leaving... Maybe if you set it so you have to have half the team as new members and half as old ones it'll incorporate everyone together?

I quite agree we need to try and incorporate new members and it's an issue that's been mentioned before. It's quite difficult to make older members include new members though. There are so many older members that are stuck in their way, as it were.


Awesomeeeeeeee maffew. Anyway, what m^ or whatever said is a good point. You seem to be banking on a lot of people signing up on the merge which is very likely seeing as this is still the biggest UK forum, if not the most active. For this to happen and for them to stay you need to entice them with US/CA/AU/SG events, even if it's just forum competitions asking questions about their country. What is the biggest region in Canada? What is the currency in Australia? - examples. That way, British people can google and the international users will feel like something is being done for them. Just an idea.

We will definitely make a considerable effort, come the merge, to ensure that users from international communities are catered for as well :). I came up with an idea that we create public joinable usergroups (like the IT Crowd and Pixel Artists Group) that is relevant to each Hotel / International community. Then you get a little userbar with a country flag on it or something. I know one argument against this would be that it encourages factions but I think it's a nice little thing to do so people can show their heritage. What do you guys think?


I also agree whole heartedly with Graham and Rosie I think it was with the off-topic posting rule.

I will have Oli look into this.

[Inseriousity.]

Call me blinger ;)

I think the best comp I've Entered so far was the one about the capitals of each country! Amazin' comp tbh

You raised interesting points in your feedback survey about this, we'll definitely be making a note of it!

[Hecktix]

Pointless Posting Ruleee.


A6. Do not post pointlessly ~ A pointless post has no relevance to the topic, any previous post that is relevant, is meaningless (ghnrgher etc) or does little to contribute to the discussion. A pointless thread either has no meaning, is something posted that is not true (e.g. false story in news and rumours) or a thread that doesn't prompt a discussion. Replying to a pointless post will also be considered pointlessly posting.

Which bits don't you like and I'll look into ensuring it's lightened up on.

It must be noted though that a while back when we became quite strict on this, there was a lot of spam being scattered around the forums but perhaps it is time for more lenience here.

[Tintinnabulate]

Pointless Posting Ruleee.



Which bits don't you like and I'll look into ensuring it's lightened up on.

It must be noted though that a while back when we became quite strict on this, there was a lot of spam being scattered around the forums but perhaps it is time for more lenience here.

This:


Replying to a pointless post will also be considered pointlessly posting.

If someone doesnt know a post is pointless (as a mod hasnt edited it yet), its unfair to warn the person who replied to it too.

[immense]

Pointless Posting Ruleee.



Which bits don't you like and I'll look into ensuring it's lightened up on.

It must be noted though that a while back when we became quite strict on this, there was a lot of spam being scattered around the forums but perhaps it is time for more lenience here.
"little to contribute to the discussion" i think you should be able to reply to a post in there even if it's not about the original topic. thread: fave colour
person1: red
person2: thats the colour of my car!

or whatever, nothing about their fave colour and contributes little (nothing) to the discussion

[Hecktix]

This:



If someone doesnt know a post is pointless (as a mod hasnt edited it yet), its unfair to warn the person who replied to it too.


"little to contribute to the discussion" i think you should be able to reply to a post in there even if it's not about the original topic. thread: fave colour
person1: red
person2: thats the colour of my car!

or whatever, nothing about their fave colour and contributes little (nothing) to the discussion

I agree with both points made here :)

[immense]

fabby dabby doo! will those be in sunday changes then? (if they still happen)

[Hecktix]

fabby dabby doo! will those be in sunday changes then? (if they still happen)

Yep, if not this week definitely next week :)

[immense]

fantastic, look forward to 'em.

[Tintinnabulate]

Yep, if not this week definitely next week :)

This sunday please so me and Alex can take full credit kk. hahaha.

[Catzsy]

Pointless Posting Ruleee.



Which bits don't you like and I'll look into ensuring it's lightened up on.

It must be noted though that a while back when we became quite strict on this, there was a lot of spam being scattered around the forums but perhaps it is time for more lenience here.


Pointless posting and off-topic should be separated as they used to be because many members are upset that their comments are not pointlesss. The rule does not follow any dictionary definiton - it just makes the statement that anything that does not contribute positively to the post is 'pointless' when it is more likely to be off-topic.

Original rule

A6. Do not post pointlessly ~ A pointless post has no relevance to the topic, any previous post that is relevant, is meaningless (ghnrgher etc) or does little to contribute to the discussion. A pointless thread either has no meaning, is something posted that is not true (e.g. false story in news and rumours) or a thread that doesn't prompt a discussion. Replying to a pointless post will also be considered pointlessly posting.

So this is a suggestion for alteration:

A6
. Do not post off-topic ~ An off-topic post has no relevance to the topic, any previous post that is relevant, or does little to positively contribute to the discussion.
. Do not spam/make pointless posts. It is not allowed to post random, meaningless, posts or threads on the forum. Examples of this are (ROFLCOPTER!!!!!!); (BYRDSB +HKK; ) (I am a plane)
or something along those lines. It can still be one rule but I believe it would be clearer to the members what they can and can't do.

[hah]

Pointless Posting Ruleee.



Which bits don't you like and I'll look into ensuring it's lightened up on.

It must be noted though that a while back when we became quite strict on this, there was a lot of spam being scattered around the forums but perhaps it is time for more lenience here.


"little to contribute to the discussion" i think you should be able to reply to a post in there even if it's not about the original topic. thread: fave colour
person1: red
person2: thats the colour of my car!

or whatever, nothing about their fave colour and contributes little (nothing) to the discussion

yeah what jake said really.... pointless is "dfksfjdkslfjdlksf" not having a convo

[Nixt]

I think we really need to be careful about how we reform the rule. A lot of members have mentioned that they use HxF because our threads provide substance and isn't that spammy. If we don't do it properly we could totally destroy this reputation that I think is a good one to have.

[Hecktix]

I think we really need to be careful about how we reform the rule. A lot of members have mentioned that they use HxF because our threads provide substance and isn't that spammy. If we don't do it properly we could totally destroy this reputation that I think is a good one to have.

I agree, my plans are mainly to follow Rosie's lines in separating pointless posting and off topic :)

[immense]

Remember though a forum is a place to discuss things and all discussions lead to other discussions. It's how discussion works!

[Hecktix]

Remember though a forum is a place to discuss things and all discussions lead to other discussions. It's how discussion works!

Yeah each discussion needs to have substance.

[hah]

Yeah each discussion needs to have substance.

which reduces discussion because no everyones gunna post if you have to have substance......
it doesnt even seem like you're changing anything other than the name to me lol :S

[immense]

Yeah that rule makes the same rule clearer. No change.

[Hecktix]

which reduces discussion because no everyones gunna post if you have to have substance......
it doesnt even seem like you're changing anything other than the name to me lol :S

I will look at what I can do although we don't want spam, but we do want discussion. I will change the rule how I think that it will allow more discussion (i.e. going slightly off topic) and perhaps allow briefer posts, but not things like LOL etc.

[immense]

Yeah, sounds good, we don't want things like lol or even cool but I want to be able to have ever so slightly off topic posts within threads without being penalised.

[hah]

like i already said ;l lol



scrap that pointless posting rule and only count it as things like "dsjfldjsfodsjflsdfjsdlfjlsd;frlkds;f,sdlfmds"

and add something like

"please add more content to your post" for posts like "lmaooooooo or lol"
i dont post in most threads because chances are it might be off topic

[HotelUser]

I thought the rule was you're allowed to post something non-related to what the thread started said, so long as what you're saying relates to the post you're quoting. If this is so what's wrong with that?

[immense]

I thought the rule was you're allowed to post something non-related to what the thread started said, so long as what you're saying relates to the post you're quoting. If this is so what's wrong with that?

I think that is what it used to be.

[HotelUser]

I think that is what it used to be.

Why was that changed, then?

[Hecktix]

Why was that changed, then?

It hasnt been changed...


A pointless post has no relevance to the topic, any previous post that is relevant

To me that says a pointless post has no relevance to the topic, or any previous post, meaning that if it doesn't have relevance to the topic it must have relevance to another previous post!

I will add the "or" though if you think it's needed.

[Nixt]

When did that actually change because I always thought that providing it stayed on topic within a post in the thread, it was fine. Or am I being stupid?

[HotelUser]

It hasnt been changed...

So then why can't the rule on pointless posting be amended to what Cat suggested, and Jake, discussions can still spark other discussions in the same thread.

[Hecktix]

When did that actually change because I always thought that providing it stayed on topic within a post in the thread, it was fine. Or am I being stupid?

It didn't change, see above post! You were the one that wrote the rule :P

@ dave, read the post above lol it says a post has to be relevant to the topic or another post.

[immense]

So then why can't the rule on pointless posting be amended to what Cat suggested, and Jake, discussions can still spark other discussions in the same thread.

They can't. Read the bit about contributing, my example that I gave about the colour and the car could be penalised with the current rule.

[FlyingJesus]

It was my understanding (having actually written the rule...) that that was indeed the case. The only difference between the current rule and the one proposed appears to be that under the "new" rule people could start a ridiculous conversation that hasn't followed on from the thread at all and only the first person to mention it would be reprimanded. Say there's a thread about fish fingers, if someone posts up "hi I love hairless cats" this would currently be removed for pointless posting, as would replies to it because they are by default pointless - after all, if that post is pointless it should be removed, and therefore replies to it would look out of the blue themselves. It makes very little sense to change this as far as I can see.

[HotelUser]

They can't. Read the bit about contributing, my example that I gave about the colour and the car could be penalised with the current rule.

Sorry, I missed your example Jake! Surly that cannot be considered as pointless posting, because in both you refer to the colour red which is key in the initial post!

[Hecktix]

Sorry, I missed your example Jake! Surly that cannot be considered as pointless posting, because in both you refer to the colour red which is key in the initial post!

This is correct and nothing in the current rule suggests that this would be pointless.

[immense]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthrea...58#post6461058
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthrea...50#post6460050

This is what I meant. Just got a PM about those. They are replying to two people who have quoted me. Sure, it's not adding anything to the original discussion but it's not my fault I have been spoken to. Being penalised for replying and promoting discussion.

[Nixt]

Neither of those links work for me Jake, even when I try edit your post :(

[immense]

oh me neither, one min.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=643404&p=6460050#post6460050
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=643404&p=6461058#post6461058

[Hecktix]

oh me neither, one min.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=643404&p=6460050#post6460050
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=643404&p=6461058#post6461058

If you have an issue with any moderation then PM me, it's simple really, I happen to agree with you on those two posts aren't pointless and will sort them.

[immense]

Yeah, I'm not bothered about them, just thought using an example was the best way to get my point across. If you agree, maybe alter the rule so the moderators don't interpret it differently as they have done.

[Nixt]

I think a simple clarification of the current pointless posting rule for Moderators would suffice, rather than pointlessly changing the rule altogether.

[immense]

Yeha, like a thread in mod forum or something would do the job

[Tintinnabulate]

oh me neither, one min.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=643404&p=6460050#post6460050
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=643404&p=6461058#post6461058

I was warned for:

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=643404&p=6459089#post6459089

and the rule quoted was:



A6. Do not post pointlessly ~ A pointless post has no relevance to the topic, any previous post that is relevant, is meaningless (ghnrgher etc) or does little to contribute to the discussion.


My post was relevant to the previous post thus wasn't a pointless post. I think the rules need to be clarified for Moderators again or they need to be less strict as even if the rules were strict, I shouldnt have been warned as it was revelant to the previous post. But yeah, Oli is sorting it :).

[Hecktix]

I think the majority of our moderators know how to apply the current rules but I will clarify.

I've not had any problems with pointless posting (until these instances tonight) which means they're clearly doing something right :P

[Kyle]

looks like that danzooo fella needs some moderation lessons

Edited by Bolt660 (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not target or be negative towards other forum members.

[immense]

Don't be mean kyle, it's confusing! Also, what has confused me more, in the PM about my usernote being removed I was told they were on the verge of breaking the rules, lol. They either are or aren't.

[Tintinnabulate]

Another idea I was thinking of is allowing new members to have a slightly bigger avatar. When I registered a new account last month, I didn't bother having an avatar as 90x100 is quite small.

and yeah Jake, I just got the same PM.

[immense]

lmao innit, i had an av, saw how small it was and quickly removed

[Hecktix]

Don't be mean kyle, it's confusing! Also, what has confused me more, in the PM about my usernote being removed I was told they were on the verge of breaking the rules, lol. They either are or aren't.

Well no, there is something called borderline, Jake.


Another idea I was thinking of is allowing new members to have a slightly bigger avatar. When I registered a new account last month, I didn't bother having an avatar as 90x100 is quite small.

and yeah Jake, I just got the same PM.

I think 90x100 is fine, although I always wondered why it was not 100x100.

[immense]

Yeah but with that rule, Oli they are replying to another post in that thread therefore not borderline unless I misunderstood the rule.

[Tintinnabulate]

Well no, there is something called borderline, Jake.



I think 90x100 is fine, although I always wondered why it was not 100x100.

Yes but my post related to the previous post so surely thats not boderline - as the rules state if it relates to the previous post, its allowed?

[Hecktix]

Yes but my post related to the previous post so surely thats not borderline - as the rules state if it relates to the previous post, its allowed?

Perhaps not? Your sanction was removed so I don't really see the issue here. I don't quite know what the Super Moderator is getting at telling you the posts were borderline but it's certainly not an issue, as the issue was the moderator's actions had been reversed.

This thread is in regards to Forum Activity, and Forum Moderation is not reducing forum activity at present, so yeah, back on topic please?

[immense]

Could have well put a new user off though. They wouldn't know how to go about getting it changed and I assume every usernote isn't checked in detail.

[Hecktix]

Could have well put a new user off though. They wouldn't know how to go about getting it changed and I assume every usernote isn't checked in detail.

From experience, if a new user has a problem with something they have been sent by a moderator they reply to the PM the moderator sends, the moderator is then required to explain why they made their decision and inform the member of who to PM if they wish to appeal.

Moderators are always going to make mistakes, as they are human.

[hah]

i wouldnt mind if everyone was allowed to play arcade (without limits) and everyone was allowed same size sigs and avs

[Tintinnabulate]

About avatars, maybe change it to 100x100 as then at least its slightly bigger.


i wouldnt mind if everyone was allowed to play arcade (without limits) and everyone was allowed same size sigs and avs

Your way promotion system pretty much becomes useless...

[HotelUser]

i wouldnt mind if everyone was allowed to play arcade (without limits) and everyone was allowed same size sigs and avs

I completely agree about the arcade. I think people's signatures are really too big as it is, but that's just personal taste I suppose.

[Hecktix]

About avatars, maybe change it to 100x100 as then at least its slightly bigger.



Your way promotion system pretty much becomes useless...

I'm willing to increase the size to 100x100, as I said I was always baffled as to why it was 90x100!

I strongly believe the avatars should progress as you become an older member, I think the smaller avatars on HxF are quite nice compared to other forums where people always have huge avatars.

In regards to the arcade, again it's nice to build things up for members but then again perhaps the plays are quite limited at the moment, although recently increased.

[Tintinnabulate]

I'm willing to increase the size to 100x100, as I said I was always baffled as to why it was 90x100!

I strongly believe the avatars should progress as you become an older member, I think the smaller avatars on HxF are quite nice compared to other forums where people always have huge avatars.

In regards to the arcade, again it's nice to build things up for members but then again perhaps the plays are quite limited at the moment, although recently increased.

The arcade limits are good. It made me post more on my new account to try and get the limits off.

[Hecktix]

The arcade limits are good. It made me post more on my new account to try and get the limits off.

Oooh, good to see that they do work :D

[hah]

small avatars are the most vilest things ever

[Jsoh]

idk about the forum but the management team obviously has something to do with it, you see other sites with activity close / near enough to habboxforum and their management teams are more organised and they work 100% better. no need for unneccessary departments nd stuff. management team should be;

owner, co-owner
general manager
staff manager
community manager
community manager
forum manager
moderation manager
news manager
radio manager
radio manager
content manager

because atm the management team is TOTALLY unneccesary, you have competitions and events which could be merged into one department, features manager and forum manager could be merged, then moderation manager made, it makes me feel that the management team atm must be useless if you have to hire so many people in the least rude way as possible. one of the community managers would be responsible for big events and the events team, one would be responsible for forum events and the hxhd.. the content manager would be responsible for graphics and content/ coding, the staff manager would be responsible for keeping the staff teams in tip top shape and removing anyone unnecessary, reporting to the gm and owner if a manager is being lazy. seems a much better idea instead of loads of peeps..

[Tintinnabulate]

idk about the forum but the management team obviously has something to do with it, you see other sites with activity close / near enough to habboxforum and their management teams are more organised and they work 100% better. no need for unneccessary departments nd stuff. management team should be;

owner, co-owner
general manager
staff manager
community manager
community manager
forum manager
moderation manager
news manager
radio manager
radio manager
content manager

because atm the management team is TOTALLY unneccesary, you have competitions and events which could be merged into one department, features manager and forum manager could be merged, then moderation manager made, it makes me feel that the management team atm must be useless if you have to hire so many people in the least rude way as possible. one of the community managers would be responsible for big events and the events team, one would be responsible for forum events and the hxhd.. the content manager would be responsible for graphics and content/ coding, the staff manager would be responsible for keeping the staff teams in tip top shape and removing anyone unnecessary, reporting to the gm and owner if a manager is being lazy. seems a much better idea instead of loads of peeps..

Hi,

I dont see the point in having both a Moderation Manager and a Forum Manager? I agree there should be one features manager not two as I dont think two are required. I dont see Yoshi post much either - maybe he is away, not sure (oh nvm he is, just saw his usertitle). But still, one features manager is enough.

Events department do Habbo events while Competitions do forum competitions.

I think the GM and 3 AGM system is fine at the moment.

[Hecktix]

idk about the forum but the management team obviously has something to do with it, you see other sites with activity close / near enough to habboxforum and their management teams are more organised and they work 100% better. no need for unneccessary departments nd stuff. management team should be;

owner, co-owner
general manager
staff manager
community manager
community manager
forum manager
moderation manager
news manager
radio manager
radio manager
content manager

because atm the management team is TOTALLY unneccesary, you have competitions and events which could be merged into one department, features manager and forum manager could be merged, then moderation manager made, it makes me feel that the management team atm must be useless if you have to hire so many people in the least rude way as possible. one of the community managers would be responsible for big events and the events team, one would be responsible for forum events and the hxhd.. the content manager would be responsible for graphics and content/ coding, the staff manager would be responsible for keeping the staff teams in tip top shape and removing anyone unnecessary, reporting to the gm and owner if a manager is being lazy. seems a much better idea instead of loads of peeps..

I don't think Habbox's management structure is anything to do with a period of low posts on the forum.

Habbox's Management structure is quite simple and everybody has work to do, no other fansite has as much activity as Habbox (perhaps they may be getting more forum posts at the moment but im talking activity in terms of site hits, forum and habbo here).

[HotelUser]

idk about the forum but the management team obviously has something to do with it, you see other sites with activity close / near enough to habboxforum and their management teams are more organised and they work 100% better. no need for unneccessary departments nd stuff. management team should be;

owner, co-owner
general manager
staff manager
community manager
community manager
forum manager
moderation manager
news manager
radio manager
radio manager
content manager

because atm the management team is TOTALLY unneccesary, you have competitions and events which could be merged into one department, features manager and forum manager could be merged, then moderation manager made, it makes me feel that the management team atm must be useless if you have to hire so many people in the least rude way as possible. one of the community managers would be responsible for big events and the events team, one would be responsible for forum events and the hxhd.. the content manager would be responsible for graphics and content/ coding, the staff manager would be responsible for keeping the staff teams in tip top shape and removing anyone unnecessary, reporting to the gm and owner if a manager is being lazy. seems a much better idea instead of loads of peeps..

There's nothing wrong with the current Hichary in my opinion. I don't see the benefits to changing it.

[FlyingJesus]

you have competitions and events which could be merged into one department

Agree, been covered plenty of times


features manager and forum manager could be merged, then moderation manager made

That would effectively keep the number of managers the same (merging two then creating a new one) and so would be absolutely pointless, especially since as far as I'm aware the FM is moderation manager. Also features I'm guessing is more to do with the site than the forum so it wouldn't be in the best interests of either part of Habbox to have the two in one job. Your suggestion really cuts down on no jobs at all and instead leaves certain departments without proper management whilst merging completely unrelated jobs. Not so useful.

[Blinger$]

Agree, been covered plenty of times



That would effectively keep the number of managers the same (merging two then creating a new one) and so would be absolutely pointless, especially since as far as I'm aware the FM is moderation manager. Also features I'm guessing is more to do with the site than the forum so it wouldn't be in the best interests of either part of Habbox to have the two in one job. Your suggestion really cuts down on no jobs at all and instead leaves certain departments without proper management whilst merging completely unrelated jobs. Not so useful.
The only job i have seen brandon (is it still him?) is the VIP stuff

[FlyingJesus]

Oh is that what it is fair play but I like Brandon he's like the senile old man with a cap who you let have a job holding the door open for people in a shop because he's just been here forever and won't know what to do with himself otherwise.

[Catzsy]

I think the majority of our moderators know how to apply the current rules but I will clarify.

I've not had any problems with pointless posting (until these instances tonight) which means they're clearly doing something right :P

I think you will find that they have not been interpreting it the old way and it did get way stricter then it used to be but your clarification in the mod forum has helped. Just to clarify myself. 0ff- topic' only used to get edited when it completely veered away from the original subject but spam/pointless posts have always been dealt with. I still think the rule should be clearer in context though as just because something does not always contribute positively to the topic of a thread does not make it pointless as in a dictionary definition because it does make sense but is 'off topic' and I have had members who are confused when getting a pm because of this. This, however, is probably splitting hairs.

[hah]

i think we should get a shoutbox and it should be limited to people with a certain amount of time here and posts etc

http://i44.tinypic.com/bdtxsn.png

[Inseriousity.]

I've always liked shoutboxes :)

[Tintinnabulate]

i think we should get a shoutbox and it should be limited to people with a certain amount of time here and posts etc

http://i44.tinypic.com/bdtxsn.png

No. Bad idea. Will use up too much server resources thus slow the site down. Secondly it will mean less posts.

[hah]

since the posts have decreased im sure the resources aren't that high and that can take its place

[Tintinnabulate]

since the posts have decreased im sure the resources aren't that high and that can take its place

The huge database and traffic is what affects it...

[immense]

shoutboxes are the worst thing ever

[Black_Apalachi]

The shoutbox was removed not long ago, was it not? So I doubt it will be back any time soon.


It was my understanding (having actually written the rule...) that that was indeed the case. The only difference between the current rule and the one proposed appears to be that under the "new" rule people could start a ridiculous conversation that hasn't followed on from the thread at all and only the first person to mention it would be reprimanded. Say there's a thread about fish fingers, if someone posts up "hi I love hairless cats" this would currently be removed for pointless posting, as would replies to it because they are by default pointless - after all, if that post is pointless it should be removed, and therefore replies to it would look out of the blue themselves. It makes very little sense to change this as far as I can see.


I think a simple clarification of the current pointless posting rule for Moderators would suffice, rather than pointlessly changing the rule altogether.

These posts I agree with.

[Nixt]

Shoutboxes are horrible. This thread is about trying to work out why people are posting less - not giving them more reason not to post. The one on CHF is barely used anyway I don't think? I am sure I saw a thread posted by Skaterchu that pretty much said a lot of members were actually calling for it to be removed but he wasn't going to. I just don't feel the need for one myself. If you're a fan of spam, it would probably effect that forum most... No more pointless spam threads, you'll just 'shout' it instead.

[immense]

Yeah things like shout boxes and arcades are OKish but they do stop people from posting. Also, Black_Apalachi I can't remember a recent shout box? I know there was one years ago but not recently. Could be wrong though.

[Nixt]

Yeah things like shout boxes and arcades are OKish but they do stop people from posting. Also, Black_Apalachi I can't remember a recent shout box? I know there was one years ago but not recently. Could be wrong though.

We had a shoutbox years ago but it was removed. The most recent thing we had close to it was the chat system which was an abominable waste of money and a total waste of time.

[immense]

Yeah didn't think I remembered one. LMAO the chat, that was good fun the 5 times it was used and got active be me and ryan (gomme) but yeah, a waste of money for sure.

[Tintinnabulate]

Who the hell thought the chat would be a good idea?

[xxMATTGxx]

Who the hell thought the chat would be a good idea?

MAD obviously did or maybe he just wanted to buy something for the sake of it.

[Axel]

Maybe the forum is becoming a bit more inactive, but I'm sure making completely pointless threads in almost every sub-section of the forum isn't going to do anything, except create more pointless posts. But if pointless posts and activity go hand in hand and are seen as a good thing, then go ahead and turn every section into a spam section.

[immense]

Who the hell thought the chat would be a good idea?

It was back when HxF had more posts than any other forum, had got official status back, had technical people that came on daily as well as making money. Apart from the official status none of those apply any longer.

[Catzsy]

It was back when HxF had more posts than any other forum, had got official status back, had technical people that came on daily as well as making money. Apart from the official status none of those apply any longer.

But chat was a bad decision and never used and technical people do come on daily. As far as posts and threads are concerned I do prefer quality as well as Axel but there is no denying it increases activity. Also it was when Habbo stopped fansites being able to sell VIP that it made less money and has nothing to do with who was GM at the time.

[immense]

I don't get what you're on about, I never said it did. Please stop your personal criticisms of the previous General Manager. What I said was facts. Nothing to do with ---MAD--- like you assumed.

[hah]

Maybe the forum is becoming a bit more inactive, but I'm sure making completely pointless threads in almost every sub-section of the forum isn't going to do anything, except create more pointless posts. But if pointless posts and activity go hand in hand and are seen as a good thing, then go ahead and turn every section into a spam section.

I happen to find who has attached and detached earlobes along with who can lick their noses very interesting

[immense]

I happen to find who has attached and detached earlobes along with who can lick their noses very interesting
LMAO and I think my "what vegetable do you resemble" was great, although it got moved to spam after axel kicked up a fuss

[Catzsy]

I don't get what you're on about, I never said it did. Please stop your personal criticisms of the previous General Manager. What I said was facts. Nothing to do with ---MAD--- like you assumed.

Excuse me I was replying to your post and there was no personal criticisms of anybody :S

To re-interate:


It was back when HxF had more posts than any other forum, had got official status back, had technical people that came on daily as well as making money. Apart from the official status none of those apply any longer

1. Saurav said that 'Chat' was a bad idea and I agreed saying that Chat was a bad decision because it was never used.
How can you disagree with that?
2. Technical people do come on everyday - you said they didn't.
3. The reason that Habbox or any fansite makes less money is because of Habbo stopping the sale of VIP.

Where are the personal criticisms of anybody and what you said cannot be considered facts as you don't actually know the financial position of Habbox anymore than I do.

[immense]

and has nothing to do with who was GM at the time.



Where are the personal criticisms of anybody and what you said cannot be considered facts as you don't actually know the financial position of Habbox anymore than I do.

right about there.

also, the 300$ for the chat was profit sierk made with habbox, i was in the conversation with mad and sierk when the decision was made, they both wanted it. it has since been said that the running costs don't cover the server costs, just the other day.

[Catzsy]

right about there.

also, the 300$ for the chat was profit sierk made with habbox, i was in the conversation with mad and sierk when the decision was made, they both wanted it. it has since been said that the running costs don't cover the server costs, just the other day.

So exactly what time are you referring to then? MAD was gm then and I was saying that it was nothing to do with whoever was GM. If it has been him when Habbo stopped VIP then the same would happened so there are no personal comments.

[immense]

Ah, my bad, apologies! Thought you were belittling everything he had done and saying the successes of Habbox I mentioned were nothing to do with the GM. Anyway, it's nice to see that the first page in Spam and Discuss Anything has improved dramatically since this thread. Feedback has been better too, whether that lasts or not, we'll see. Before people say it's spammy threads, I think only one of the influx of threads by myself, Leah and Oli were moved to spam. Rest of them prompted decent conversation.

[Catzsy]

Ah, my bad, apologies! Thought you were belittling everything he had done and saying the successes of Habbox I mentioned were nothing to do with the GM. Anyway, it's nice to see that the first page in Spam and Discuss Anything has improved dramatically since this thread. Feedback has been better too, whether that lasts or not, we'll see. Before people say it's spammy threads, I think only one of the influx of threads by myself, Leah and Oli were moved to spam. Rest of them prompted decent conversation.

No, I never had any complaints about him on the technical side at all. Yes the new threads have prompted discussion
but I do think the 'vegatable' one was scraping the barrel somewhat at the end of a hard thread posting day. :P

[Tintinnabulate]

MAD obviously did or maybe he just wanted to buy something for the sake of it.

I didnt realise the GM had the power to buy such a thing. In all honesty, it was the stupidest decision - whoever approved it. An awful looking chat system which was never promoted was bound to fail. I don't think they did a poll asking if users wanted it either?


cannot be considered facts as you don't actually know the financial position of Habbox anymore than I do.

Today is your lucky day.
Average running cost per month is £300.
Google advertising revenue bring in about £225 per month.
I think donor brings in about £50-60 per month.

[xxMATTGxx]

I didnt realise the GM had the power to buy such a thing. In all honesty, it was the stupidest decision - whoever approved it. An awful looking chat system which was never promoted was bound to fail. I don't think they did a poll asking if users wanted it either?



Today is your lucky day.
Average running cost per month is £300.
Google advertising revenue bring in about £225 per month.
I think donor brings in about £50-60 per month.

It was later expalined by Jake on what happened regarding the chat system.

[Tintinnabulate]

It was later expalined by Jake on what happened regarding the chat system.

This bit? Anyway, its been scrapped and that's good.


also, the 300$ for the chat was profit sierk made with habbox, i was in the conversation with mad and sierk when the decision was made, they both wanted it. it has since been said that the running costs don't cover the server costs, just the other day.

[Hecktix]

shoutboxes are the worst thing ever


Shoutboxes are horrible. This thread is about trying to work out why people are posting less - not giving them more reason not to post. The one on CHF is barely used anyway I don't think? I am sure I saw a thread posted by Skaterchu that pretty much said a lot of members were actually calling for it to be removed but he wasn't going to. I just don't feel the need for one myself. If you're a fan of spam, it would probably effect that forum most... No more pointless spam threads, you'll just 'shout' it instead.

In agreement with these about shoutboxes.

In comment to the discussion about chat systems going on, you're arguing about the past, this thread is about the future!

[immense]

No, I never had any complaints about him on the technical side at all. Yes the new threads have prompted discussion
but I do think the 'vegatable' one was scraping the barrel somewhat at the end of a hard thread posting day. :P

LMAO that thread cracks me up, caused so much drama at least 10 different people have said the same thing. I was going to post the fruit equivalent but maybe I'll save that for my next thread posting frenzy :L

[Catzsy]

LMAO that thread cracks me up, caused so much drama at least 10 different people have said the same thing. I was going to post the fruit equivalent but maybe I'll save that for my next thread posting frenzy :L

With the same result! :P :D

[Axel]

LMAO and I think my "what vegetable do you resemble" was great, although it got moved to spam after axel kicked up a fuss

And quite rightly. 'What vegetable do you resemble' is quite obviously a spam thread, and you were pushing it with that thread. You, as well as anyone else with half a brain, know that that thread is not worth anything and you were trying to be funny with it, which is supported by the fact that you were laughing about making the thread the whole time in the spam forum. Just because the forum may be becoming inactive, something that I haven't really noticed considering I rarely visit any other section of the forum apart from spam and anime forums, doesn't mean you spamming it with god awful threads will help anything. Although I haven't really noticed a decrease in activity, it is evident that the quality of posts has decreased dramatically, and you're one of the main culprits I've noticed. You know that you spam as much as I do, so please let's not turn this into another argument.

And I'm not just focusing on you. There are plenty of other cases of stupid threads to increase activity. For example, I barely visit the Runescape section, but last time I did there was at least 10 threads on trivial topics like 'what is your favourite rock to mine' and 'what is your favourite tree to cut', all by the same person. Being an ex-runescape player, I know for a fact that people don't think long and hard about what their favourite rock to mine is, and I feel that again they're all just spam threads, which is backed up by the fact that in each of the threads, a certain member would post 'x is my favourite rock to mine', and then once someone else had posted, he'd post 'oh ye i changed my mind, y is actually my favourite rock to mine', which is just obviously a piss take.

[immense]

And quite rightly. 'What vegetable do you resemble' is quite obviously a spam thread, and you were pushing it with that thread. You, as well as anyone else with half a brain, know that that thread is not worth anything and you were trying to be funny with it, which is supported by the fact that you were laughing about making the thread the whole time in the spam forum. Just because the forum may be becoming inactive, something that I haven't really noticed considering I rarely visit any other section of the forum apart from spam and anime forums, doesn't mean you spamming it with god awful threads will help anything. Although I haven't really noticed a decrease in activity, it is evident that the quality of posts has decreased dramatically, and you're one of the main culprits I've noticed. You know that you spam as much as I do, so please let's not turn this into another argument.

How hypocritical. You say you don't use the forum much and then continue with your post that doesn't add anything to the thread and say that I spam a lot. You obviously use it quite a lot to notice that. I haven't been told off for spamming. I made ONE spammy thread, just the one and it was moved. Sure, it was a joke. You seem to be suggesting that jokes aren't allowed on the forum... even if they weren't I wouldn't appreciate another member telling me off for them as to be quite frank it's nothing to do with you. Channel your obvious enthusiasm into something more constructive because this thread is about helping the forum not your personal concerns with regards to one thread.

[Axel]

How hypocritical. You say you don't use the forum much and then continue with your post that doesn't add anything to the thread and say that I spam a lot. You obviously use it quite a lot to notice that. I haven't been told off for spamming. I made ONE spammy thread, just the one and it was moved. Sure, it was a joke. You seem to be suggesting that jokes aren't allowed on the forum... even if they weren't I wouldn't appreciate another member telling me off for them as to be quite frank it's nothing to do with you. Channel your obvious enthusiasm into something more constructive because this thread is about helping the forum not your personal concerns with regards to one thread.

I didn't say I don't use the forum much... I said I barely use any other forums apart from spam and anime forum.

And I'm not saying jokes aren't allowed... I said that you feel that the forum needs more activity, but I feel that spamming the other boards with useless threads won't help anything. That is what the spam forum is for.

And no, you're wrong, it is entirely to do with me. I am a member of this forum too, and I have every right to my opinion. Just because I'm not a member of staff, doesn't mean you should just ignore me. Or, as you were suggesting yesterday, just because I don't have a super high 18k post counts like you used to, doesn't mean you should just ignore me, saying that I don't wouldn't dare challenge you if you were on immenseman. Or I don't know, maybe my opinion is invalid because I'm not down with the kids in the spam forum, who make completely ridiculous threads about what vegetables they look like. Sorry about that, but I'm still allowed my opinion, thanks. I'm sure some of the people with sense agree with me.

[Black_Apalachi]

And quite rightly. 'What vegetable do you resemble' is quite obviously a spam thread, and you were pushing it with that thread. You, as well as anyone else with half a brain, know that that thread is not worth anything and you were trying to be funny with it, which is supported by the fact that you were laughing about making the thread the whole time in the spam forum. Just because the forum may be becoming inactive, something that I haven't really noticed considering I rarely visit any other section of the forum apart from spam and anime forums, doesn't mean you spamming it with god awful threads will help anything. Although I haven't really noticed a decrease in activity, it is evident that the quality of posts has decreased dramatically, and you're one of the main culprits I've noticed. You know that you spam as much as I do, so please let's not turn this into another argument.

And I'm not just focusing on you. There are plenty of other cases of stupid threads to increase activity. For example, I barely visit the Runescape section, but last time I did there was at least 10 threads on trivial topics like 'what is your favourite rock to mine' and 'what is your favourite tree to cut', all by the same person. Being an ex-runescape player, I know for a fact that people don't think long and hard about what their favourite rock to mine is, and I feel that again they're all just spam threads, which is backed up by the fact that in each of the threads, a certain member would post 'x is my favourite rock to mine', and then once someone else had posted, he'd post 'oh ye i changed my mind, y is actually my favourite rock to mine', which is just obviously a piss take.

I have to agree with this. I have noticed a lack of topics to post in recently so it was nice to see Oli getting a few going and then doherty and Leah I think it was, followed suit but then they started to seem less and less interesting with many consisting of questions that you can't do much else other than give a one word answer to.

[immense]

I have to agree with this. I have noticed a lack of topics to post in recently so it was nice to see Oli getting a few going and then doherty and Leah I think it was, followed suit but then they started to seem less and less interesting with many consisting of questions that you can't do much else other than give a one word answer to.

If you feel the thread is spammy report it like Axel did and if it is it will be removed. Around 50 were made when I asked some people to and as far as I can see only one was moved to Spam. I know you like to open numerous tabs and reply to every post but you don't have too. If I don't feel a thread is constructive, I don't reply. Simples.

[Axel]

If you feel the thread is spammy report it like Axel did and if it is it will be removed. Around 50 were made when I asked some people to and as far as I can see only one was moved to Spam. I know you like to open numerous tabs and reply to every post but you don't have too. If I don't feel a thread is constructive, I don't reply. Simples.

Although the thread annoyed me, I didn't actually report it... guess someone beat me to it.

[HotelUser]

How hypocritical. You say you don't use the forum much and then continue with your post that doesn't add anything to the thread and say that I spam a lot. You obviously use it quite a lot to notice that. I haven't been told off for spamming. I made ONE spammy thread, just the one and it was moved. Sure, it was a joke. You seem to be suggesting that jokes aren't allowed on the forum... even if they weren't I wouldn't appreciate another member telling me off for them as to be quite frank it's nothing to do with you. Channel your obvious enthusiasm into something more constructive because this thread is about helping the forum not your personal concerns with regards to one thread.

Haha, there was a thread about what vegetable you are? That doesn't sound very non spammy to me! When you were going post crazy, if I didn't know you I would of said you wanted quick post count, but I don't think you care about that, meh, they were interesting threads, Leah's too!

[Tintinnabulate]

Haha, there was a thread about what vegetable you are? That doesn't sound very non spammy to me! When you were going post crazy, if I didn't know you I would of said you wanted quick post count, but I don't think you care about that, meh, they were interesting threads, Leah's too!

Well he is in a bet to see who gets to the next 1,000 first :P

[immense]

Innit, betting with three people, beating them all :8

[HotelUser]

Well he is in a bet to see who gets to the next 1,000 first :P

Didn't hear that; obviously he's trying to make Habbox a better place :)

[Shar]

You had a head start and you're a hxf addict!

Innit, betting with three people, beating them all :8

[Black_Apalachi]

If you feel the thread is spammy report it like Axel did and if it is it will be removed. Around 50 were made when I asked some people to and as far as I can see only one was moved to Spam. I know you like to open numerous tabs and reply to every post but you don't have too. If I don't feel a thread is constructive, I don't reply. Simples.

I'm not that worried, honestly. It was just an observation seeing as others were also commenting on the subject.

[immense]

You had a head start and you're a hxf addict!

30 post headstart, now like 400 in front

p.s. black_apalachi, cool lol :S great input