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-:Undertaker:-
14-05-2010, 06:36 PM
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100005678/europes-fiscal-fascism-brings-british-withdrawal-ever-closer/



Just when you thought the EU could not go any further down the road towards authoritarian excess, it gets worse. The European Commission is calling for EU powers to vet budgets of the 27 member states before the draft laws have been presented to the House of Commons, the Tweede Kamer, the Folketing, the Bundestag, the Assemblee Nationale, or other national parliaments. It applies to Britain even though we are not in EMU.


http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/files/2010/05/eu-flag.jpg




Fonctionnaires and EU finance ministers will pass judgement on the British (or Dutch, or Danish, or French) budgets before the elected bodies of these ancient and sovereign nations have seen the proposals. Did we not we not fight the English Civil War and kill a king over such a prerogative? Yet again we are discovering the trick played on our democracies by Europe’s insiders when they charged ahead with EMU, brushing aside warnings by their own staff economists that monetary union was unworkable without fiscal union. Jacques Delors knew perfectly well that this would lead inevitably to a crisis, but it would be the “beneficial crisis” that would force sovereign parliaments to submit to demands that they would never otherwise accept.

This is now playing out before our eyes. Club Med governments have built up €7 trillion sovereign debt under the cover of monetary union, which shut down the warning signals for borrowers and creditors alike. We are now near – or beyond – the point of no return. Eurozone states must go along with this cynical entrapment, or risk economic catastrophe. The conspirators have succeeded. The €750bn shock and awe package agreed over the weekend clearly alters the character of the European Project, crossing the line towards an EU debt union and an EU Treasury. How long will it be now before the EU acquires direct tax-raising powers?

As French president Nicolas Sarkozy said: “We have a veritable economic government”. I hope the excellent and proud French people realise what this means before it is too late, as it is for the Greek, Irish, Portuguese, and Spanish peoples. They are being forced by the logic of the economic machine to squeeze fiscal policy at a time when they are either in recession or trapped in a deeper perma-slump without offsetting stimulus. A Deutsche Bank note to clients said these countries have given up all three instruments of economic control: fiscal, monetary, and exchange. They are powerless. We are under an “EU protectorate”, said Spain’s opposition leader Mariano Rajoy last week, though it was empty, useless rhetoric since he does not draw any of the necessary conclusions from this intolerable state of affairs.In other words, the European Union is now going for another power grab which will place us even more under the finger of the euro-elite in Brussels. We are now moving towards having our national budgets managed or even created by the European Union which in essence, means electing a British government is nothing but puppetry because the elected government has barely any power of which to resist EU demands as shown last week when the European Union forced Britain to risk £13 billion to keep its shattered monetary union intact - and we were powerless to resist along with our then-Chancellor Alistair Darling who was as much use as a puppet to its masters.

Thoughts, should the EU or the British government have control over national British budgets?

Jordy
14-05-2010, 06:40 PM
You know what I'm indifferent about this. Everything suggests it's wrong but if the EU could of stopped our stupid Labour government doing such a thing, I'd certainly be grateful.

-:Undertaker:-
14-05-2010, 06:41 PM
You know what I'm indifferent about this. Everything suggests it's wrong but if the EU could of stopped our stupid Labour government doing such a thing, I'd certainly be grateful.

An 'organisation' which hasnt had its audits signed off for the past decade is reliable when it comes to economics/finance?
I mean maybe there'd be some scope for argument if it was financially and economically sound, but its worse than Labour and thats saying something.

Jordy
14-05-2010, 06:49 PM
An 'organisation' which hasnt had its audits signed off for the past decade is reliable when it comes to economics/finance?
I mean maybe there'd be some scope for argument if it was financially and economically sound, but its worse than Labour and thats saying something.Perhaps, I'm unsure that even the EU would get us in debt when times are good.

immense
14-05-2010, 06:51 PM
You make it sound like the EU are the root of all evil. They're not doing it for fun.

-:Undertaker:-
14-05-2010, 06:54 PM
Perhaps, I'm unsure that even the EU would get us in debt when times are good.

Well when the EU gets its audits checked out (and finishes the disasterous monetary union) i'll give it credit for financial/economic capability, sadly I cant see it ever happening until the entire thing collapse as it will eventually.


You make it sound like the EU are the root of all evil. They're not doing it for fun.

So you are happy with your elected government being powerless in regards to the economy?

immense
14-05-2010, 06:56 PM
There you go again! They're not powerless, they can still do what they want within the budget, which is considerable. Has this even been passed yet?

-:Undertaker:-
14-05-2010, 06:58 PM
There you go again! They're not powerless, they can still do what they want within the budget, which is considerable. Has this even been passed yet?

That is exactly what happened with agriculture, fishing, social policy (immigration, working times) and the courts - now most of the powers lay with the European Union. So the question remains, are you happy with your laws being made by unelected eurocrats in Brussels? In regards to the timeframe, the article gives a timetable of the introduction.

The project is the creation of a European Superstate which is what these people work towards everyday despite never having asked the people of Europe whether or not they want their nation-states abolished and replaced with a federal europe, so yeah its fun to them.

dbgtz
14-05-2010, 09:27 PM
This would make sense if we use the euro as our currency so it prevents large-scaled debt and market crash n ****, but were not.

alexxxxx
16-05-2010, 02:07 PM
won't happen.

FlyingJesus
16-05-2010, 05:14 PM
as much use as a puppet to its masters.

To be fair a puppet is generally quite useful to its master

Niall!
17-05-2010, 05:05 PM
That is exactly what happened with agriculture, fishing, social policy (immigration, working times) and the courts - now most of the powers lay with the European Union. So the question remains, are you happy with your laws being made by unelected eurocrats in Brussels? In regards to the timeframe, the article gives a timetable of the introduction.

The project is the creation of a European Superstate which is what these people work towards everyday despite never having asked the people of Europe whether or not they want their nation-states abolished and replaced with a federal europe, so yeah its fun to them.

You babble on about a European Superstate every ******* thread.

Have you not realised that the British citizens have a knack of electing incompetent buffoons to govern us, and that taking power away from them may be EXACTLY what we need?

-:Undertaker:-
17-05-2010, 05:19 PM
You babble on about a European Superstate every ******* thread.

Have you not realised that the British citizens have a knack of electing incompetent buffoons to govern us, and that taking power away from them may be EXACTLY what we need?

You have no problem with being governed by unelected eurocrats who wish to abolish the United Kingdom?

What a poor attitude to take considering all the lives that were lost in the process of maintaining independence throughout all of history, while I would agree partially with that statement - its not worth sacraficing democracy and our country to spite inept politicians.

As for the European Superstate - well yes I would babble on about it, especially in a EU thread which I created.

Niall!
17-05-2010, 06:38 PM
You have no problem with being governed by unelected eurocrats who wish to abolish the United Kingdom?

What a poor attitude to take considering all the lives that were lost in the process of maintaining independence throughout all of history, while I would agree partially with that statement - its not worth sacraficing democracy and our country to spite inept politicians.

As for the European Superstate - well yes I would babble on about it, especially in a EU thread which I created.

I have a problem with being governed by idiots.

-:Undertaker:-
17-05-2010, 07:17 PM
I have a problem with being governed by idiots.

Well while our lot are mostly idiots, granted - trust me that the European Union is one hundred times as worse; they have a convicted embezzeler as the Head Commissioner, a woman who was part of CND and most likely took donations during the Cold War from our enemy the Soviet Union, a man whos been convicted of fraud and had to resign twice in this country because of that issue and a lot more - I also recall that the head of the anti-fraud department in the EU is actually a convicted fraudster also. The video below has a quick run through of the criminal convictions within the European Union and its top brass.

Human audit on the Barroso Commission (worth a watch).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGPjOoS8AAc

GommeInc
17-05-2010, 09:57 PM
If doing this law module has taught me anything, the EU is a waste of time in terms of how the judiciary system and legal system works. What happens in mainland Europe may not have an relevance in the United Kingdom, but they have the power to change laws because the European Courts are higher up in the hierarchy.

This probably won't happen anyway. We would have to be in the Euro, and even if we were it would just be a waste f time and cause more problems if anything, seeing as that is what the Euro seems to be best at, ruining it for the majority, rather than the minority.

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