[IRA] Irish Republican Army

[Richie]

I'm going to get piles of haters but I don't give two flying *****. I wish the IRA were still around fighting to get the six county's back. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying killing innocent people is the way to get Ireland back as its own country, but at least it felt that some people still cared that that Britain 'pissed in our country and are still proud of it'. I love how although the British invaded Ireland almost 100 years ago people still cared. Over the last 5 years or so people seemed to stop caring. Yes the world moves on but at the end of the day Northern Ireland is still ran by the British government.


If Iraq had a strong enough army to take over certain parts of Britain and did so, would you like to see Britain back as its own country? Of course you would, so for those disagreeing with me are they just biased?


I know most people on the forum are British and are obviously not going to agree that the IRA could be somewhat good.


Yes I know the IRA wasn't created just to attempt to get northern Ireland back, but this is all I really care about, I don't care who's what religion I just want to see ROI whole again.


What do you think?

[scottish]

well in all honesty who cares about ireland

[::Art::]

Long live the IRA!!!!

[Richie]

well in all honesty who cares about ireland

Obviously you


The IRA are seen as either Heroes or as terrorists. I'm sure eveyone knows what boat I'm standing on.

[Jordy]

The people of Northern Ireland want to be British not Irish, end of.

[::Art::]

The IRA are legends.

[scottish]

the failboat?

http://gallery.computingzone.net/d/3258-1/failboat.jpg

[Richie]

The people of Northern Ireland want to be British not Irish, end of.

Only because the majority of them have ancestors who were british.


If the IRA are terrorists so are the british, 'on January 30, 1972 soldiers from the British armys, parachuted into Ireland and opened fire on unarmed and peaceful civilians'.


No I'm sick of this nationalist ****, anytime any topic that relates to the British being in the wrong, people spam it on purpose and get it closed.

[::Art::]

Don't forget Bloody Sunday Richie.

[Richie]

Don't forget Bloody Sunday Richie.


Yeah I know, but everyone looks at the IRA as being the invading terrorists yet the British armys never get mentioned.

[::Art::]

Yeah I know, but everyone looks at the IRA as being the invading terrorists yet the British armys never get mentioned.

Ikr. We get all the blame when they do most of it :l

[Jordy]

How can we have a serious discussion when you're advocating a terrorist organisation, these killed many hundreds of innocent civilians across the UK during the 20th century and even tried to assassinate the prime minister. There's other ways to go about discussing the issue of Northern Ireland. For me though it's as simple as this, the people of Northern Ireland overwhelmingly have always wanted to be British, and British they shall be.

[Richie]

How can you have a serious discussion when you're advocating a terrorist organisation, these killed many hundreds of innocent civilians across the UK over the 20th century and even tried to assassinate the prime minister. There's other ways to go about discussing the issue of Northern Ireland. For me though it's as simple as this, the people of Northern Ireland overwhelmingly have always wanted to be British, and British they shall be.

Fair point, but then again the british done the exact same but vice-versa about 50 years ago.

[marriott0.01]

ROI is not a very stable country as it is, should be thankful that Britain still rules over Northern Ireland. And it's also not like you don't get your own government.

[scottish]

Only because the majority of them have ancestors who were british.


If the IRA are terrorists so are the british, 'on January 30, 1972 soldiers from the British armys, parachuted into Ireland and opened fire on unarmed and peaceful civilians'.


No I'm sick of this nationalist ****, anytime any topic that relates to the British being in the wrong, people spam it on purpose and get it closed.


lol we own

[Jordy]

Bloody Sunday was wrong but it's a tiny event compared to the atrocities committed by the IRA, death tolls say it all. It's no wonder soldiers strayed into Ireland to be fair, I've spoke to a few Royal Marines about this and the Irish government would usually refuse to extradite or they'd play hell about human rights, the cases would drag on for months despite them being clearly terrorists.

[::Art::]

Why would we be glad Britain took over some of our country. I would love a 32 county Ireland.

[Richie]

ROI is not a very stable country as it is, should be thankful that Britain still rules over Northern Ireland. And it's also not like you don't get your own government.


Stable as in.. money wise

[alexxxxx]

yeah i support the IRA along with Al-Qaeda... :rolleyes:

please nationalists don't spread your stuff on here - or put it in the debate forum so everyone can ignore it.

[Jordy]

Why would we be glad Britain took over some of our country. I would love a 32 county Ireland.The Northern Irish were glad to be British, the IRA were the ones in the wrong, trying to make them become part of Ireland against their will.

[marriott0.01]

Stable as in.. money wise

It was the first country, who uses the euro, to enter a depression... Euro is never a strong currency god help it if the UK ever go with the Euro.

[Richie]

The Northern Irish were glad to be British, the IRA were the ones in the wrong, trying to make them become part of Ireland against their will.

The british forced Irish citizens to leave northern ireland and claimed the land to be theirs... so clearly if they were british they are going to want to be part of the british government..

[alexxxxx]

It was the first country, who uses the euro, to enter a depression... Euro is never a strong currency god help it if the UK ever go with the Euro.

yes because the euro is the single thing that matters in an economy. (Y)

[Jordy]

Ireland is not stable money wise, as Marriott has pointed out. It's heading the same way as Greece at the moment. The ROI makes the UK look stable money wise.

Richie I don't see what you're getting at, that kinda proves my point that they want to be British. The ones who wanted to be Irish, were in Ireland.

[Pyroka]

irish man walks out of a bar.

ba dum tiss.

anyway richie calm down bby northern irish peepz obv like being part of the UK else they wouldve moaned more about it. its just ireland are like w8 u just nicked our land sorta y u do that but now northern ireland has its own rules it doesnt have to adhear to what ireland wants it to do.

if you dig, lol i love my irish man bar joke

[Richie]

Richie I don't see what you're getting at, that kinda proves my point that they want to be British. The ones who wanted to be Irish, were in Ireland.


I'm trying to say, if the people in northern Ireland at the time were Irish well then they wouldn't want to be under the british governments power. At the time the british armys forced the irish out of NI so the majority who owned land were british, but only because they invaded Ireland.

[Technologic]

If you want your country back you don't go around blowing up city centres. Ulster is part of the UK, deal with it buddy

[Richie]

If you want your country back you don't go around blowing up city centres. Ulster is part of the UK, deal with it buddy

Yeah its wrong, but it was the only way they could attempt to make the british government see if they made Ireland whole again, the bombings would stop.



Edit: Look at the video at the time northern Ireland citizens clearly wanted to become part of Britain


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZMspl_-nVI

[Geraint]

no surrender to the ira.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Richie I dont know how much more this can be spelt out to you but Northern Ireland wants to be a part of the United Kingdom and rejects your nationalism at which you turned religion in on itself and held Ireland back for decades thanks to the terrorist ways of Ireland and the IRA who simply could not accept the fact that the people of Northern Ireland wished to remain a part of the United Kingdom and not be a part of the Republic. It is rather simple; a part of a country called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland wanted to leave - the United Kingdom allowed those who wished to leave to do so and so the Irish Republic was formed. Those who wanted to stay part of the United Kingdom did so.

As for you being so against the British, you didnt hate our money when it was flowing your way during the 1990s and early 2000s in the form of the European Union did you? - I must say that it always amazes me, anti-British this and anti-English that - yet they still accept our money cap in hand. Incredible, just incredible.

[Richie]

Richie I dont know how much more this can be spelt out to you but Northern Ireland wants to be a part of the United Kingdom and rejects your nationalism at which you turned religion in on itself and held Ireland back for decades thanks to the terrorist ways of Ireland and the IRA who simply could not accept the fact that the people of Northern Ireland wished to remain a part of the United Kingdom and not be a part of the Republic. It is rather simple; a part of a country called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland wanted to leave - the United Kingdom allowed those who wished to leave to do so and so the Irish Republic was formed. Those who wanted to stay part of the United Kingdom did so.

As for you being so against the British, you didnt hate our money when it was flowing your way during the 1990s and early 2000s in the form of the European Union did you? - I must say that it always amazes me, anti-British this and anti-English that - yet they still accept our money cap in hand. Incredible, just incredible.


I was waiting for your post, I never said I hated the british... if I did I wouldn't be on the forum, all I want to see is Ireland its own country again. I've tried to explain why NI went british but people find it hard to get my posts into their heads...

[-:Undertaker:-]

I was waiting for your post, I never said I hated the british... if I did I wouldn't be on the forum, all I want to see is Ireland its own country again. I've tried to explain why NI went british but people find it hard to get my posts into their heads...

The argument that you are trying to put forward is the view of the Chinese (historical) which is that all land belongs to those who were originally there. The flaw is this argument is quite evident and that is that most of Africa would be returned to the British, Democratic Taiwan would be returned to Mainland China and islands such as the Falklands would belong to nobody as nobody has previously owned them fully. The Republic of Ireland is its own country, it is a country whos people wish to be a part of the nation-state of the Republic of Ireland. The mindset you seem to have is that because you are an island, you must automatically own every part of that island even if it tramples over democracy and the will of the people - that is the wrong mindset and a backward one.

[alexxxxx]

Edit: Look at the video at the time northern Ireland citizens clearly wanted to become part of Britain


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZMspl_-nVI

yes because that video isn't a propaganda video.

[Catzsy]

Richie, I feel you are being very simplistic about this. Ireland is a country of great complexity and the biggest problem there is sectarianism between the catholics and the protestants. The Republic of Ireland is mainly Catholic and Northern Ireland mainly Protestant. It has taken decades to get peace in the country so I feel you should celebrate this. If the people of Northern Ireland want to be re-united then it will be done by way of democracy. The fact that Northern Ireland exists is because the majority of the people want it to be otherwise I am sure it would have been done by now.
It is not the British Government who is holding on to it - it is the people of Northern Ireland. The IRA are no different from any other terrorist force who when they haven't got a majority mandate resort to bloodshed and violence. To glorify them like you are doing here appears to be a bit niave to me. SinnFein are a democratic force in the country and it is up them to get the necessary support for a referendum to make your wish come true. What happened 50 or 100 years ago is pretty irrelevant now. It is the same down here when people say what happened centuries ago. Countries and people move on and it would like blaming the present day german people for what Hitler did.

[Richie]

The argument that you are trying to put forward is the view of the Chinese (historical) which is that all land belongs to those who were originally there. The flaw is this argument is quite evident and that is that most of Africa would be returned to the British, Democratic Taiwan would be returned to Mainland China and islands such as the Falklands would belong to nobody as nobody has previously owned them fully. The Republic of Ireland is its own country, it is a country whos people wish to be a part of the nation-state of the Republic of Ireland. The mindset you seem to have is that because you are an island, you must automatically own every part of that island even if it tramples over democracy and the will of the people - that is the wrong mindset and a backward one.

Well thats your opinion, but my views are different. If the IRA was still around today I'd be behind them 100%.



It has taken decades to get peace in the country so I feel you should celebrate this.

Since the British invaded Ireland it never has never will, sure only in 2007 there were riots in the heart of dublin because of it... so hardly



What happened 50 or 100 years ago is pretty irrelevant now.

It does to me at the end of the day the british killed irish familys ancestors. But what happened 50 years ago is okay because it was the British who were in the wrong, but 10 years ago its still okay to blame the IRA on 'terrorist attacks'

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well thats your opinion, but my views are different. If the IRA was still around today I'd be behind them 100%.

No that is your view that I have described and I have just explained to you why that view is fundamentally flawed, would you kindly address my points please because afterall you wanted a discussion and now you have one.

[Hitman]

If England continues to have Islamic extremists threatening our way of life (freedom) then there will be an English equivalent of the IRA...

[Pyroka]

If England continues to have Islamic extremists threatening our way of life (freedom) then there will be an English equivalent of the IRA...

its called the EDL lol, i know not as severe but hey theyre trying

[alexxxxx]

If England continues to have Islamic extremists threatening our way of life (freedom) then there will be an English equivalent of the IRA...

it's called the EDL.

[Hitman]

its called the EDL lol, i know not as severe but hey theyre trying
The EDL went through my mind, but honestly, there is going to be big trouble if something isn't done. Members of the EDL will be the first to sign up. :P But it's a serious issue... mark my words in 10 years maximum, if nothing is done. We will have big problems.

And I mean allout warfare, like bombs in Mosques and guns and ****.

[Catzsy]

Well thats your opinion, but my views are different. If the IRA was still around today I'd be behind them 100%.




Since the British invaded Ireland it never has never will, sure only in 2007 there were riots in the heart of dublin because of it... so hardly




It does to me at the end of the day the british killed irish familys ancestors. But what happened 50 years ago is okay because it was the British who were in the wrong, but 10 years ago its still okay to blame the IRA on 'terrorist attacks'

No what the British did 50 years ago was very wrong but peace has finally come to Ireland. It is not just the IRA - it was also protestant terrorists too. I cannot remember their name. If hatred of what happened 50/100 years ago or what happened 10 years ago cannot be put in the past I see no hope of a united ireland because it is hatred that devides it.

[Richie]

The argument that you are trying to put forward is the view of the Chinese (historical) which is that all land belongs to those who were originally there. The flaw is this argument is quite evident and that is that most of Africa would be returned to the British, Democratic Taiwan would be returned to Mainland China and islands such as the Falklands would belong to nobody as nobody has previously owned them fully.

That's fair enough, but I'm talking about the IRA and why the republicans had setup an army to retrieve its country.


The mindset you seem to have is that because you are an island, you must automatically own every part of that island even if it tramples over democracy and the will of the people - that is the wrong mindset and a backward one..

Perhaps it is, I stick by what I said though and in my opinion its not the wrong mindset



If England continues to have Islamic extremists threatening our way of life (freedom) then there will be an English equivalent of the IRA...

Thats perfectly fine though, its the British.

[Richie]

No the British diwhat d 50 years ago was very wrong but peace has finally come to Ireland. It is not just the IRA - it was also protestant terrorists too. I cannot remember their name. If hatred of what happened 50/100 years ago or what happened 10 years ago cannot be put in the past I see no hope of a united ireland because it is hatred that devides it.

I personally don't think it ever will.

[Catzsy]

That's fair enough, but I'm talking about the IRA and why the republicans had setup an army to retrieve its country.



Perhaps it is, I stick by what I said though and in my opinion its not the wrong mindset



Thats perfectly fine though, its the British.

Without doubt you are entitled to your opinion. I can see Ireland becoming united again within a decade if peace remains. Of course to Islamic terrorists you are infidels too:P.

[Misawa]

The IRA = terrorists. Anyone who sees different is out of their skull.

[Catzsy]

The IRA = terrorists. Anyone who sees different is out of their skull.

He is not denying they are/were.

[-:Undertaker:-]

That's fair enough, but I'm talking about the IRA and why the republicans had setup an army to retrieve its country.

Perhaps it is, I stick by what I said though and in my opinion its not the wrong mindset

Thats perfectly fine though, its the British.

But it is not entirely your island.

The land at the north of the island belongs to the United Kingdom and not the Republic of Ireland. The point on most Irish being killed by the British is totally untrue, infact most of them came to the United Kingdom in the days of the Empire anyway because if we are to be honest; there was sod all in Ireland at the time and it was Britain who provided the jobs, food and security and was the driving force of the modern world - being from Liverpool my ancestors on one side were also Irish who came here for those exact reasons when Liverpool was the centre of the British Empire.

If you take the view of the historical Chinese, which is that an entire island belongs to one nation/those first there own it then do you accept that the British have right to claim back or take back most of Africa, North America and parts of Asia? + the Spanish & Portugese can claim back most of South America - I presume you agree with that being the case(?) because thats exactly what you are arguing for right now and its exactly what the IRA stood for.

[Richie]

But it is not entirely your island.

The land at the north of the island belongs to the United Kingdom and not the Republic of Ireland. The point on most Irish being killed by the British is totally untrue, infact most of them came to the United Kingdom in the days of the Empire anyway because if we are to be honest; there was sod all in Ireland at the time and it was Britain who provided the jobs, food and security and was the driving force of the modern world - being from Liverpool my ancestors on one side were also Irish who came here for those exact reasons when Liverpool was the centre of the British Empire.

If you take the view of the historical Chinese, which is that an entire island belongs to one nation/those first there own it then do you accept that the British have right to claim back or take back most of Africa, North America and parts of Asia? + the Spanish & Portugese can claim back most of South America - I presume you agree with that being the case(?) because thats exactly what you are arguing for right now and its exactly what the IRA stood for.

Yeah I do and I agree with everything that I have highlighted.

[Swastika]

I don't think you've thought this whole IRA thing through and you've joined the bandwagon because your a proud Irishmen.
Good for you that your proud to be Irish and all that other stuff, but the IRA are idiots who went about things the wrong way killing innocent people by blowing up city centres.
No surrender.

http://www.leafpile.com/TravelLog/NorthIreland/Sectarianism/NoSurrender.jpg

[PaulMacC]

The people of Northern Ireland want to be British not Irish, end of.
Your wrong there Jordy. The majority of Catholics in Northern Ireland want to be Irish. Catholics currently have around 55% of the overall population so unless a referendum is called we'll never know.

I'm Catholic, I dont really care whether it is Northern Ireland or Ireland.

[alexxxxx]

Your wrong there Jordy. The majority of Catholics in Northern Ireland want to be Irish. Catholics currently have around 55% of the overall population so unless a referendum is called we'll never know.

I'm Catholic, I dont really care whether it is Northern Ireland or Ireland.

well in the 2001 census only 40% said they were catholic and only 45% say they are from catholic background.

[Jordy]

Your wrong there Jordy. The majority of Catholics in Northern Ireland want to be Irish. Catholics currently have around 55% of the overall population so unless a referendum is called we'll never know.

I'm Catholic, I dont really care whether it is Northern Ireland or Ireland.Well 71% voted for the Belfast Agreement in 1998. And in 1973 on the sovereignty referendum, 98.9% voted to stay as part of the UK (I understand there was a boycott, however it's still well above 50% assuming all the boycotters would of voted to join ROI). There has been referendums and the results are pretty clear.

[PaulMacC]

Well 71% voted for the Belfast Agreement in 1998. And in 1973 on the sovereignty referendum, 98.9% voted to stay as part of the UK (I understand there was a boycott, however it's still well above 50% assuming all the boycotters would of voted to join ROI). There has been referendums and the results are pretty clear.
Northern Ireland has had huge political changes within the past 10 years. Regardless, I wouldn't vote in a referendum even if I could.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Northern Ireland has had huge political changes within the past 10 years. Regardless, I wouldn't vote in a referendum even if I could.

Indeed such as the ridiculous system which allows Sinn Fein permanent power-sharing and the Irish government power on and over Northern Irish affairs even if they are not elected by the peoples of Northern Ireland as the devolved national government of Nothern Ireland.

[FlyingJesus]

The idea that Northern Ireland "belongs" to the Republic is about as sound as the idea that the USA "belongs" to Britain.

[Smits]

I just want to get one thing clear.

You're not denying that the IRA are terrorists and idiots, yet if they returned you would 100% support them?

SOmething is wrong here..

[Richie]

I just want to get one thing clear.

You're not denying that the IRA are terrorists and idiots, yet if they returned you would 100% support them?

SOmething is wrong here..

Yep if that was the only way to make the British government see sense. I know my views sound ridiculous but thats just how strongly i feel about it.

[Swastika]

what do your parents think of your IRA beliefs?

[FlyingJesus]

see sense


The idea that Northern Ireland "belongs" to the Republic is about as sound as the idea that the USA "belongs" to Britain.

Not just the British government who need to see sense apparently.
Having ideals is a fine thing, but zealously following them when it's clearly illogical and wrong is nothing to admire.

[Richie]

what do your parents think of your IRA beliefs?

My mam doesn't agree with it but my dad would.


Not just the British government who need to see sense apparently.
Having ideals is a fine thing, but zealously following them when it's clearly illogical and wrong is nothing to admire.

I obviously wouldn't want see innocent people being killed and I agree that my views are wrong but thats just how I see it.

[FlyingJesus]

If you agree that your views are wrong how can you stand by them? It's like saying "I know it's wrong to stamp on babies but I'll do it anyway and pretend that I agree with it"

[Richie]

If you agree that your views are wrong how can you stand by them? It's like saying "I know it's wrong to stamp on babies but I'll do it anyway and pretend that I agree with it"


Well il put it like this


I think its right for the IRA to fight for our country but I think its wrong that they kill innocent people, but if it all has to come as one I'd choose to follow them.

[FlyingJesus]

But it isn't your country

[Adamm]

in my opinion, ireland can have their land of potatoes and greenery because it has no use to me, northern ireland can have their land of... potatoes and guiness and big green hats like the one that this man is sporting:
http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/18309.jpg

i am english, not british. no i did not vote english democrats i voted ukip but that's a WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY. cba, ireland have ur silly little ireland back.

[Richie]

But it isn't your country

It isn't mine personally :P but it does really belong to the Irish government and not the British.

[FlyingJesus]

If you know the history of your republic you'll know that it wasn't the original country - it's an offshoot of Ireland that the British allowed to be created in order to stop all-out war in the face of guerilla terrorist raids, so no it does not belong to the Irish government.

[Stephen]

Not reading 7 pages of posts so I'll go and say ma thang.

First a nazi on the forum and now terrorists. What is this

[Richie]

If you know the history of your republic you'll know that it wasn't the original country - it's an offshoot of Ireland that the British allowed to be created in order to stop all-out war in the face of guerilla terrorist raids, so no it does not belong to the Irish government.

That makes allot of sense considering the English raided Ireland as I would class a terrorist group, the British killed 200+ IRISH Civilians, at the end of the day, the IRA and the British army have blood on their hands.



Not reading 7 pages of posts so I'll go and say ma thang.

First a nazi on the forum and now terrorists. What is this

Hardly a terrorist.. I'm not part of the IRA I said if they were still around I'd support them and before someone goes off on a mad one again I AGREE the IRA were in the wrong, at times.

[FlyingJesus]

That makes allot of sense considering the English raided Ireland as I would class a terrorist group

If you're already in charge of a country and use force to fight back against a group of radicals who've taken up arms in an attempt to take over, that isn't being a terrorist it's defending your land. You could possibly have reason to call them terrorists if they'd destroyed everything randomly and recklessly to try scaring people into bowing down to them, but trying to keep control of an area that you are already in command of isn't terrorism. Furthermore the English did not raid Ireland, they were already there.

[Richie]

If you're already in charge of a country and use force to fight back against a group of radicals who've taken up arms in an attempt to take over, that isn't being a terrorist it's defending your land. You could possibly have reason to call them terrorists if they'd destroyed everything randomly and recklessly to try scaring people into bowing down to them, but trying to keep control of an area that you are already in command of isn't terrorism. Furthermore the English did not raid Ireland, they were already there.

They killed innocent people though.. 'not armed' even children.. how can you class that as defending your land?

They could of easily went around it by forcing the people to move, giving them a chance.

[Black_Apalachi]

I always thought what's the point of th UK governing Northern Ireland but when I was little I remember asking my dad, who was Irish, and he said the people of Northern Ireland want to be part of the UK. As far as the IRA goes, is there any substance in thinking that there's a difference between the original IRA and the modern vigilante type eejits? If not, then the IRA in general is just as bad as Cromwell and what he did to Ireland.

[FlyingJesus]

They could of easily went around it by forcing the people to move, giving them a chance.

What so you reckon the republican insurgents would have just moved on and abandoned the mission if the British had asked them nicely?

[ifuseekamy]

Well for one the UK is hardly comparable to Iraq. We aren't imposing some kind of dictatorship on NI. They probably have enough common sense to look beyond senseless nationalism and realise it's far more beneficial to be part of the UK than NI.

[Jordy]

That makes allot of sense considering the English raided Ireland as I would class a terrorist group, the British killed 200+ IRISH Civilians, at the end of the day, the IRA and the British army have blood on their hands.

Hardly a terrorist.. I'm not part of the IRA I said if they were still around I'd support them and before someone goes off on a mad one again I AGREE the IRA were in the wrong, at times.If there wasn't terrorists around they wouldn't of needed to send the army in to restore order, civilian deaths are a sad but inevitable aspect of that. If the IRA weren't there, the deaths wouldn't of happened.

Your views are all over the place, the bottom line is, as a last resort you do support the killing of innocent british civilians and you do sympathise with the IRA, I've safely come to that conclusion after reading all your posts. What right do you have to kill people because we're not returning land to you which isn't yours? The British have been fair and democratic.

[W00TZEH]

When i was young
I had no sense
I bought a flute for 50 pence
the only tune
that i could play
was **** the vale and the IRA

K then so there's nothing wrong with the EDL? Right?

[Richie]

What so you reckon the republican insurgents would have just moved on and abandoned the mission if the British had asked them nicely?

Yeah I understand because like little kids would of took out machine guns and opened fire on the British.

[FlyingJesus]

As you are proving quite finely, children are capable of making the wrong decisions and getting themselves in the way of big issues that they don't understand.

[Richie]

As you are proving quite finely, children are capable of making the wrong decisions and getting themselves in the way of big issues that they don't understand.

Just to clarify, your saying it was okay that the British killed innocent civilians including young children?

[FlyingJesus]

No I don't think I've ever said anything of the sort.

[Richie]

'What so you reckon the republican insurgents would have just moved on and abandoned the mission if the British had asked them nicely?'


that gave me the impression

[FlyingJesus]

Republic insurgents =/= innocent civs and children

[Richie]

Republic insurgents =/= innocent civs and children

Okay well then il refer back to this

'What so you reckon the republican insurgents would have just moved on and abandoned the mission if the British had asked them nicely?'

Most likely not but why did they British have to kill innocent civilians to get 'their' land back?

[FlyingJesus]

I'm sure they probably didn't but that isn't justification for the IRA, which is the point of this thread.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Richie why do you keep mentioning victims/people in general when its been shown that you have little regard for people and their opinions, namely the people of Northern Ireland and the British victims of the IRA. All you care about is the crazy notion that because Ireland used to own the north of the island it is located on, that it somehow automatically has the right to govern the people who live there.

[kuzkasate]

I have to agree with you Richie. I find it kinda sad but theres nout we can do tbh

[-:Undertaker:-]

I have to agree with you Richie. I find it kinda sad but theres nout we can do tbh

You also support terrorism which is being used to take back a part of an island which does not want to be a part of the Irish Republic?
Incredible really.

[kuzkasate]

You also support terrorism which is being used to take back a part of an island which does not want to be a part of the Irish Republic?
Incredible really.

no. as richie said, he doesnt support the terrorism idea. and neither do i. but then again, you wouldnt understand unless your foreign so..

[FlyingJesus]

Actually he quite clearly said he would go along with it "100%", and telling people they can't understand a situation unless they're foreign is ridiculous. You're allowed to be proud of your country, sure, but suggesting that the IRA were ever right to do what they did is nonsense - just like their theory that NI belongs to ROI.

[Smits]

Yep if that was the only way to make the British government see sense. I know my views sound ridiculous but thats just how strongly i feel about it.

then there is nothing else to declare apart from this; there is something wrong with you, mentally.

Who in their right mind would support terrorism of any kind? I mean you go on about all these innocents being killed by the british or whatever, but then you say you support this kind of behavior. Unbelievable that people like you exist.

[kuzkasate]

Actually he quite clearly said he would go along with it "100%", and telling people they can't understand a situation unless they're foreign is ridiculous. You're allowed to be proud of your country, sure, but suggesting that the IRA were ever right to do what they did is nonsense - just like their theory that NI belongs to ROI.

sorry but i didnt read the whole 9 pages. but i wouldnt go as far as saying terrorism should be involved. and in my eyes, its true. unless your foreign, you wont understand this.

oh btw im not irish lol just incase you thought i was being biased

[MattFr]

Lol, who is gonna take a bunch of violent Irish people seriously? No one.

[Richie]

Lol, who is gonna take a bunch of violent Irish people seriously? No one.

I'm sure if someone you loved was blown up by them, you would.

[alexxxxx]

I'm sure if someone you loved was blown up by them you would.

GO! IRA GO!

[MattFr]

I'm sure if someone you loved was blown up by them, you would.
If someone I loved was blown up by them I would hate them more. Why would I suddenly agree with disgusting terrorists?

[Adamm]

Lol, who is gonna take a bunch of violent Irish people seriously? No one.
Oh aye they're so scary with their spud guns

[Smits]

sorry but i didnt read the whole 9 pages. but i wouldnt go as far as saying terrorism should be involved. and in my eyes, its true. unless your foreign, you wont understand this.

oh btw im not irish lol just incase you thought i was being biased

Wont understand what exactly?

[kuzkasate]

Wont understand what exactly?
why richie thinks like this..

[Richie]

If someone I loved was blown up by them I would hate them more. Why would I suddenly agree with disgusting terrorists?

Yeah but you'd want the violence to stop, meaning you would want Ireland whole again.

[Jordy]

why richie thinks like this..Not only do you understand what he says, but you also agreed with it too. Perhaps you should also understand that the land was never Irish and the Northern Irish want to be British.

[Richie]

Not only do you understand what he says, but you also agreed with it too. Perhaps you should also understand that the land was never Irish and the Northern Irish want to be British.

THEY WANTED TO BE BRITISH BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THEM THAT MOVED INTO NORTHERN IRELAND AND PUSHED THE ACTUAL IRISH OUT WERE FROM BRITAIN

[kuzkasate]

Not only do you understand what he says, but you also agreed with it too. Perhaps you should also understand that the land was never Irish and the Northern Irish want to be British.
Thats Northern Ireland. I know around 9 Irish people. 7 of them class them selves as Irish and dont want to be classed as British cos they dont want to be.

[Smits]

why richie thinks like this..
Ahh right,what's there to understand? He agrees with terrorists and supports violence...


Yeah but you'd want the violence to stop, meaning you would want Ireland whole again.

Actually i'd want the exact opposite, because by wanting that i'd be supporting the IRA that killed my family... So no.

[Richie]

Ahh right,what's there to understand? He agrees with terrorists and supports violence...



Actually i'd want the exact opposite, because by wanting that i'd be supporting the IRA that killed my family... So no.

But then you'll be at risk of letting them murder another family member.

[MattFr]

Yeah but you'd want the violence to stop, meaning you would want Ireland whole again.

I thought the IRA had stopped being violent yo?

[Richie]

I thought the IRA had stopped being violent yo?

They have..

[Smits]

But then you'll be at risk of letting them murder another family member.

No i woyuldnt because regardless of what i supported, i wouldnt have the power to stop it. In other words even if i did support them, theyd still carryu on...

[Richie]

No i woyuldnt because regardless of what i supported, i wouldnt have the power to stop it. In other words even if i did support them, theyd still carryu on...

true but I thought you were speaking from the governments perspective.

[Jordy]

THEY WANTED TO BE BRITISH BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THEM THAT MOVED INTO NORTHERN IRELAND AND PUSHED THE ACTUAL IRISH OUT WERE FROM BRITAINFirst of all I've never heard of such a thing, I've heard of them voluntarily moving and Catholics being forced out their homes by Protestant groups. If these people want to be Irish anyway I don't see the problem, they get what they want. Northern Ireland is not Irish.

[MattFr]

They have..

So who cares anymore? No one.

[Richie]

First of all I've never heard of such a thing, I've heard of them voluntarily moving and Catholics being forced out their homes by Protestant groups. If these people want to be Irish anyway I don't see the problem, they get what they want. Northern Ireland is not Irish.

I beg to differ, people who live there still class themselves as Irish and not British


So who cares anymore? No one.

Read the first post..

[Jordy]

I beg to differ, people who live there still class themselves as Irish and not BritishJust 26% of the population.

[MattFr]

Read the first post..
Plenty of people want out the EU too. You don't see groups of people going around, blowing people up for that though do you? The way it is is the way it is. Live with it.

[Smits]

Plenty of people want out the EU too. You don't see groups of people going around, blowing people up for that though do you? The way it is is the way it is. Live with it.

Exactly, theyre is supporting a cause or having a view, and there is supporting terrorism and plain murder..

[Catzsy]

Richie. Northern Ireland have virtual home rule. If they wanted a referendum on re-uniting Ireland they could do so.
People all over the world who have moved into other countries can be seen as threatening 'the indigenous' population but it doesn't mean that a terrorist organistion needs to take action. This is how the world evolves.
Indeed main land Britain and the states has had a great deal of Irish people who have made decided to make their homes there. I am not sure what has sparked this off but in my view you should watch some Thin Lizzy videos instead of that propaganda. :P xxx

[scottish]

Pat and Mick landed themselves a job at a sawmill. Just before morning tea Pat yelled, "Mick! I lost me finger!"
"Have you now?" says Mick. "And how did you do it?" "I just touched this big spinning thing here like thi.....Damn! There goes another one!"

[22andy2231]

Screw the IRA they are a pile of _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ excuse my IRAsh. They arent gone they are just waiting. . Why cant they just get lost and let northern ireland be northern ireland.

Instead they have to start of the troubles again. you have no idea what they do because ur down south. . well up here in northern ireland everyone hates the IRA even the catholics themselves.

i have 1 word to say


OMAGH BOMB !!!!

who caused it. THE IRA. . they are just a pile of murders they fight just becasue they have nothing to do with their sad lives.

[scottish]

"Paddy," asked the barmaid, "what are those two bulges in the front of your trousers?" "Ah," said Paddy. "They're hand grenades. Next time that queer O'Flaherty comes feeling my balls, I'll blow his bloody fingers off!"

[FlyingJesus]

in my eyes, its true. unless your foreign, you wont understand this.

That's almost as ridiculous a theory as Richie's one that the IRA are good people


I'm sure if someone you loved was blown up by them, you would.

Nice terrorist attitude there, congrats


THEY WANTED TO BE BRITISH BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THEM THAT MOVED INTO NORTHERN IRELAND AND PUSHED THE ACTUAL IRISH OUT WERE FROM BRITAIN

brb ignoring the fact that Britain already owned Ireland before 1916...


I beg to differ, people who live there still class themselves as Irish and not British

That's just plain old nationalism that everyone has. Plenty of people here still prefer to be called English, people in Scotland prefer Scottish and the Welsh... well no-one cares what they think.

[Wise]

well in all honesty who cares about ireland

Irish people?

I care about Ireland a great deal.


-- And what even happened to The Irish Language? Gaelic was the best :l Not many people speak it now-a-days..

English with their English... Pah!

[scottish]

and you're irish so at my statement, i don't care what you think as you're irish.

[Wise]

and you're irish so at my statement, i don't care what you think as you're irish.

:L

I see, so I have to listen to what you say because you are scottish?

Okay, Oh Might Master, please let me lick your shoes..

[Richie]

Irish people?

I care about Ireland a great deal.


-- And what even happened to The Irish Language? Gaelic was the best :l Not many people speak it now-a-days..

English with their English... Pah!

Blame Britain

[Jordy]

If Gaelic is so good you'll have no problem teaching it yourself in your own time at home from a book or something, I'm sure it'll be very useful.

[Matty]

Interesting topic seeing the views, I just hate all the fanboys in modern ages where their knowledge is limited.