Ideas - *controversial*

[lorren]

Before you read I know some of these are controversial. They're welcome to adjustments. Just saying yes/no isn't really useful. If you don't think we need them then explain why. It's a fact that HxF is no longer the most active Habbo Forum but I think it so easily could be as Habbox is easily the biggest and most influential fansite across Habbo. Even foreign hotels don't have a fansite like this.

It's mainly based around a problem that has been highlighted a good eight or so months ago now and has never really been directly combated effectively, membership retention. We have so many people signing up and then not posting or staying active for long. It has been put down to attitudes of older members, I don't buy this whatsoever. In no way is this forum more exclusive than others that do well.

Put the blab in spoiler, just why I made this thread etc:)

Keeping members at HxF
I think the only reason they don't stay is because it's so hard to become established on here. I look at the members who have posted recently who don't have really high post counts or a join date from years ago and they're mostly users who have come back from a ban.

Everything on this forum is putting new people off:

- Avatars
- Arcade
- Reputation
- Join Date
- Post count
- User rank

Avatars
Sure OK, they're progressive and it could be argued it's an incentive to post and be active to try and get a bigger avatar. In reality, I don't think that's the case. Small avatars look awful, I can't have an avatar that looks good which is annoying but I can't because the size makes them look ridiculous. I don't see why all users can't have the simple 150x150. People aren't going to stop buying donator or become less active because of an avatar.

Arcade
Again, why can't this just be open to all users... I feel it would benefit the forum more. If new users, came on, enjoyed the arcade and were given full access maybe they'd come back again just to use the arcade and even if they make 5 or so posts each time they come on it's still a help. I also think the arcade scores should be wiped, make it more active.

Reputation
It's really hard to move up the reputation ladder. It's unlikely any other 'new' user would get that much. I think this should either be scrapped entirely. Reputation doesn't make people stay, or at least it shouldn't but it defo puts people off.

Join Date
Thinking behind this is maybe if there wasn't proof they were a new user, they wouldn't feel so new. It's not important at all and I don't think this should be displayed when you post. Or at least have the option, if possible for it not to be displayed on the forum.

Post count
Seeing as the forum has been open so long some people have mammoth post counts. Again, I think if possible people should be allowed to make it so it doesn't display. Maybe even some of the more active users would do it to not look as addicted.

User Rank
The bronze stars are disgusting. Can't these just be replaced with userbars "new user" "loyal member" "legendary". Whatever. I just hate the star system and I think having a horrid star under your name would put you off the forum.
A lot of these are related to the fact the forum is so old. People who are new feel intimidated by the older members, even if they aren't threatening. If people were able to hide there own which are insignificant in comparison then maybe they'd be more inclined to post.

Anyway, I know these are controversial and I'd be surprised if anyone actually agreed but I think the systems we have at the moment although they work fine they put new members off the forum. If these were changed, I genuinely believe we could attract new people and make them stay. With the merge coming more people will be visiting and if we can make them stay, you'll be laughing!

[dogboy123]

Before you read I know some of these are controversial. They're welcome to adjustments. Just saying yes/no isn't really useful. If you don't think we need them then explain why. It's a fact that HxF is no longer the most active Habbo Forum but I think it so easily could be as Habbox is easily the biggest and most influential fansite across Habbo. Even foreign hotels don't have a fansite like this.

It's mainly based around a problem that has been highlighted a good eight or so months ago now and has never really been directly combated effectively, membership retention. We have so many people signing up and then not posting or staying active for long. It has been put down to attitudes of older members, I don't buy this whatsoever. In no way is this forum more exclusive than others that do well.

Put the blab in spoiler, just why I made this thread etc:)

Keeping members at HxF
I think the only reason they don't stay is because it's so hard to become established on here. I look at the members who have posted recently who don't have really high post counts or a join date from years ago and they're mostly users who have come back from a ban.

Everything on this forum is putting new people off:

- Avatars
- Arcade
- Reputation
- Join Date
- Post count
- User rank

Avatars
Sure OK, they're progressive and it could be argued it's an incentive to post and be active to try and get a bigger avatar. In reality, I don't think that's the case. Small avatars look awful, I can't have an avatar that looks good which is annoying but I can't because the size makes them look ridiculous. I don't see why all users can't have the simple 150x150. People aren't going to stop buying donator or become less active because of an avatar.

Agreed, small avs look terrible, 150x150 looks nice. everyone should be able to have this

Arcade
Again, why can't this just be open to all users... I feel it would benefit the forum more. If new users, came on, enjoyed the arcade and were given full access maybe they'd come back again just to use the arcade and even if they make 5 or so posts each time they come on it's still a help. I also think the arcade scores should be wiped, make it more active.

Agreed, people like to play in the arcade, and if advertised more for newer members, could easily keep some entertained

Reputation
It's really hard to move up the reputation ladder. It's unlikely any other 'new' user would get that much. I think this should either be scrapped entirely. Reputation doesn't make people stay, or at least it shouldn't but it defo puts people off.

I think reputation should stay, and be visible. But I think it should be easier to move up in early stages

Join Date
Thinking behind this is maybe if there wasn't proof they were a new user, they wouldn't feel so new. It's not important at all and I don't think this should be displayed when you post. Or at least have the option, if possible for it not to be displayed on the forum.

Disagree with this, its good to see whos been loyal and stayed active, no problem to me.

Post count
Seeing as the forum has been open so long some people have mammoth post counts. Again, I think if possible people should be allowed to make it so it doesn't display. Maybe even some of the more active users would do it to not look as addicted.

People need to be recognised for the contribution they make on the forum, so I disagree.

User Rank
The bronze stars are disgusting. Can't these just be replaced with userbars "new user" "loyal member" "legendary". Whatever. I just hate the star system and I think having a horrid star under your name would put you off the forum.
A lot of these are related to the fact the forum is so old. People who are new feel intimidated by the older members, even if they aren't threatening. If people were able to hide there own which are insignificant in comparison then maybe they'd be more inclined to post.

Agreed with this

Anyway, I know these are controversial and I'd be surprised if anyone actually agreed but I think the systems we have at the moment although they work fine they put new members off the forum. If these were changed, I genuinely believe we could attract new people and make them stay. With the merge coming more people will be visiting and if we can make them stay, you'll be laughing!

Quotes in there, glad you brought this up lozz :love3:

[Tintinnabulate]

Avatars
Sure OK, they're progressive and it could be argued it's an incentive to post and be active to try and get a bigger avatar. In reality, I don't think that's the case. Small avatars look awful, I can't have an avatar that looks good which is annoying but I can't because the size makes them look ridiculous. I don't see why all users can't have the simple 150x150. People aren't going to stop buying donator or become less active because of an avatar.


I think avatars for new members should be bigger but it should be progressive. 90x100 is too small. When I joined on a new account, I didn't bother having a avatar as 90x100 is useless. Giving everyone 150x150 like Ben said is a bad idea. The 150x150 avatar size is one of the main reasons I buy donor. Give it to everyone and less people will buy donor.


Arcade
Again, why can't this just be open to all users... I feel it would benefit the forum more. If new users, came on, enjoyed the arcade and were given full access maybe they'd come back again just to use the arcade and even if they make 5 or so posts each time they come on it's still a help. I also think the arcade scores should be wiped, make it more active.

When I joined on my new account, I posted more to get rid of the arcade limitations. Maybe that was just me. However scores should not be wiped. It was recently wiped after the forum software upgrade. It will be unfair to those who spent ages trying to get a high score. I know I will be annoyed if mine was wiped.


Reputation
It's really hard to move up the reputation ladder. It's unlikely any other 'new' user would get that much. I think this should either be scrapped entirely. Reputation doesn't make people stay, or at least it shouldn't but it defo puts people off.

Scrapping it isn't a good idea as people like getting reputation for positive posts - especially new members. Maybe make it even easier to get higher reputation power like on CHF? I know it was recently edited but to get a rep power of 18, it took me 5 years which is a bit OTT.
Remember, many people have such high reputation points as you could buy it in the old days.


Join Date
Thinking behind this is maybe if there wasn't proof they were a new user, they wouldn't feel so new. It's not important at all and I don't think this should be displayed when you post. Or at least have the option, if possible for it not to be displayed on the forum.

As I told you on MSN, option to remove it is pointless as people can still check userid and therefore work out the date the person joined.


Post count
Seeing as the forum has been open so long some people have mammoth post counts. Again, I think if possible people should be allowed to make it so it doesn't display. Maybe even some of the more active users would do it to not look as addicted.

I think people like showing off their high post count. It gives people something to work towards. i.e. Jake posted lots to try and get to 1,000.


User Rank
The bronze stars are disgusting. Can't these just be replaced with userbars "new user" "loyal member" "legendary". Whatever. I just hate the star system and I think having a horrid star under your name would put you off the forum.
A lot of these are related to the fact the forum is so old. People who are new feel intimidated by the older members, even if they aren't threatening. If people were able to hide there own which are insignificant in comparison then maybe they'd be more inclined to post.

Again back to the MSN conversation. It was introduced due to the promotion system. I have suggested before that these should be replaced by user bars and if they really want, they can put the stars inside a user bar. The stars on their own look horrid.
I don't think I ever got a reply to this suggestion last time.

[Nixt]

Avatars
Sure OK, they're progressive and it could be argued it's an incentive to post and be active to try and get a bigger avatar. In reality, I don't think that's the case. Small avatars look awful, I can't have an avatar that looks good which is annoying but I can't because the size makes them look ridiculous. I don't see why all users can't have the simple 150x150. People aren't going to stop buying donator or become less active because of an avatar.


The reason progressive avatar sizes exist are for two reasons. First, to encourage members to post more and get the higher user rank in order to get the bigger avatar. Second, to encourage people to buy donator so they are able to. I do think it's unlikely people will post more on the basis of the fact they will be in with the chance of getting a bigger avatar, but I do think it's an extra incentive to buy donator which, to be frank, we can't afford to lose. It will be interesting to see what people think of this though and if they do say the bigger avatar sizes don't really affect their decision to buy donator it's something that could certainly be looked into. Equally though, I'm not totally convinced members are put off from joining the forum on the basis of their avatar not being able to be a certain size. I think what is more off putting is when a member signs up, uses an avatar that is too big and very quickly gets a PM saying "Sorry, your avatar is too big - please remove it". Unifying avatar sizes would end this, which is potentially beneficial.


Arcade
Again, why can't this just be open to all users... I feel it would benefit the forum more. If new users, came on, enjoyed the arcade and were given full access maybe they'd come back again just to use the arcade and even if they make 5 or so posts each time they come on it's still a help. I also think the arcade scores should be wiped, make it more active.

I agree. In fairness I don't think it would affect us that much either way, but I don't see any real issues with making it so anyone can use it and therefore see no reason why this shouldn't be the case.


Reputation
It's really hard to move up the reputation ladder. It's unlikely any other 'new' user would get that much. I think this should either be scrapped entirely. Reputation doesn't make people stay, or at least it shouldn't but it defo puts people off.

Removing reputation altogether would undoubtedly annoy the older members, who are just as important as the newer members we wish to retain. Indeed, it would annoy me because I have tried my best to help members across my four years at Habbox and have built up my reputation largely on that basis. Additionally I find reputation a good way to reward users if they help me and is a good incentive to get people doing things. Perhaps reforms in regard to the reputation system could be looked at - although this is something that's happened quite a lot before and it hasn't had that much of an impact. There are certain aspects of the reputation system that could well be reformed though, and we can look into this.


Join Date
Thinking behind this is maybe if there wasn't proof they were a new user, they wouldn't feel so new. It's not important at all and I don't think this should be displayed when you post. Or at least have the option, if possible for it not to be displayed on the forum.

I'm in two minds here. Some members are very proud of the time they joined and like to display it, which is fair enough. Equally I don't think it's *that* big a deal, although I do see how some newer members might be intimidated by members who have a join date from a long time ago, and the ability to remove it may help us decrease this intimidation and thus the overall intimidation members seem to experience when they join.


Post count
Seeing as the forum has been open so long some people have mammoth post counts. Again, I think if possible people should be allowed to make it so it doesn't display. Maybe even some of the more active users would do it to not look as addicted.

I personally don't think this has a massive impact. It's something we could consider implementing though, depending on the overall views of members.


User Rank
The bronze stars are disgusting. Can't these just be replaced with userbars "new user" "loyal member" "legendary". Whatever. I just hate the star system and I think having a horrid star under your name would put you off the forum.
A lot of these are related to the fact the forum is so old. People who are new feel intimidated by the older members, even if they aren't threatening. If people were able to hide there own which are insignificant in comparison then maybe they'd be more inclined to post.

To an extent, I agree. Perhaps a considerable overhaul of the rank system is in order, as it is somewhat outdated (particularly when you look at them on the new skins). This isn't just limited to the graphics but the way the user rank system works. Specific suggestions in regard to how it could change are welcome and it is definitely something we will look into.


Anyway, I know these are controversial and I'd be surprised if anyone actually agreed but I think the systems we have at the moment although they work fine they put new members off the forum. If these were changed, I genuinely believe we could attract new people and make them stay. With the merge coming more people will be visiting and if we can make them stay, you'll be laughing!

Whilst I feel some of your suggestions aren't the real reason people aren't staying, perhaps a mass reform of some, if not all, of these suggestions could be implemented to coincide with the merge. I think this would create a surge in activity that would appeal to members and as such mean some will remain. Equally if we display it in a way that shows we intend to make sure the forum appeals to newer members, they may feel more welcomed as they see we are making an effort for them.

It will be interesting to see member responses to this thread because I feel that's key in establishing whether it would be safe to implement some of them. Whilst they sound easy to suggest, many factors must be considered in making such changes and it is important to see what our current members say before we go ahead and implement them.

Thanks for your suggestions though, and +rep :).

[xxMATTGxx]

Before you read I know some of these are controversial. They're welcome to adjustments. Just saying yes/no isn't really useful. If you don't think we need them then explain why. It's a fact that HxF is no longer the most active Habbo Forum but I think it so easily could be as Habbox is easily the biggest and most influential fansite across Habbo. Even foreign hotels don't have a fansite like this.

It's mainly based around a problem that has been highlighted a good eight or so months ago now and has never really been directly combated effectively, membership retention. We have so many people signing up and then not posting or staying active for long. It has been put down to attitudes of older members, I don't buy this whatsoever. In no way is this forum more exclusive than others that do well.

Put the blab in spoiler, just why I made this thread etc:)

Keeping members at HxF
I think the only reason they don't stay is because it's so hard to become established on here. I look at the members who have posted recently who don't have really high post counts or a join date from years ago and they're mostly users who have come back from a ban.

Everything on this forum is putting new people off:

- Avatars
- Arcade
- Reputation
- Join Date
- Post count
- User rank

Avatars
Sure OK, they're progressive and it could be argued it's an incentive to post and be active to try and get a bigger avatar. In reality, I don't think that's the case. Small avatars look awful, I can't have an avatar that looks good which is annoying but I can't because the size makes them look ridiculous. I don't see why all users can't have the simple 150x150. People aren't going to stop buying donator or become less active because of an avatar.

I have to agree with you that small avatars look awful and can also be a pain to find/create and make them look good. I don't think 150x150 would be an option for all, as users like to stay active and post to climb through the ranks or buy donator to get these extra features. Maybe an increase of 90x100 to tackle the small size or 150x150 for all. Hmm, would have to be something that would need discussion fully with other members of Management.


Arcade
Again, why can't this just be open to all users... I feel it would benefit the forum more. If new users, came on, enjoyed the arcade and were given full access maybe they'd come back again just to use the arcade and even if they make 5 or so posts each time they come on it's still a help. I also think the arcade scores should be wiped, make it more active.

I don't agree that the arcade should be wiped again, not yet anyway. Although making it open to all would be a good idea.

Reputation
It's really hard to move up the reputation ladder. It's unlikely any other 'new' user would get that much. I think this should either be scrapped entirely. Reputation doesn't make people stay, or at least it shouldn't but it defo puts people off.

Getting rid of reputation all together isn't a good idea in my opinion. There would be nothing to replace it with? Unless a thanks system but we may as well keep the reputation system that way. It's nice to have this system as it can be used as a thanks, prizes and so on. Maybe an overview of the current system and see what we can change would be possible solution though.


Join Date
Thinking behind this is maybe if there wasn't proof they were a new user, they wouldn't feel so new. It's not important at all and I don't think this should be displayed when you post. Or at least have the option, if possible for it not to be displayed on the forum.

I don't see the big issue with the join date here? I know some users like to tell others that they have been on here for 5 years or more. Newer members shouldn't really be put off people who have been on here longer but I can see why in some aspects. An option to not have it shown? Although like stated by Sav it would be easily to make out via the ID.




Post count
Seeing as the forum has been open so long some people have mammoth post counts. Again, I think if possible people should be allowed to make it so it doesn't display. Maybe even some of the more active users would do it to not look as addicted.

I'm going to see what other people think first. I'm not sure this is an issue that should be tackled.


User Rank
The bronze stars are disgusting. Can't these just be replaced with userbars "new user" "loyal member" "legendary". Whatever. I just hate the star system and I think having a horrid star under your name would put you off the forum.
A lot of these are related to the fact the forum is so old. People who are new feel intimidated by the older members, even if they aren't threatening. If people were able to hide there own which are insignificant in comparison then maybe they'd be more inclined to post.

We could do with an update on the ranking system especially the titles and the graphics, the stars really don't look well on the new skins. This is something I personally would like to see changed and I'm sure it will be something that will be discussed.

Anyway, I know these are controversial and I'd be surprised if anyone actually agreed but I think the systems we have at the moment although they work fine they put new members off the forum. If these were changed, I genuinely believe we could attract new people and make them stay. With the merge coming more people will be visiting and if we can make them stay, you'll be laughing!

Thanks for creating the thread in feedback, it is always nice to see suggestions and ideas on how we can improve HabboxForum. :) +Rep



In the boldness.

[hah]

Sorry but the progressive thing is a load of ****. I could list about 10 forums that i haven't stayed on because the avatar limit was so small, on Habboforum i made jake give me VIP so that i could have bigger avatar (was like 150x150 for all members and 200x200 for vip i think#). Clubhabbo and every other fansite allow all users to have 150x150 avatars and they are not seeing donor profits decrease or less people postings. It seems to have the opposite effect on Habbox..... less posts and less donor (obv not the only reason tho).

So i agree on that point major............ and the arcade one lol
you put limitations on everything in this forums and its stupid :S, yeah sure you get the odd user posting so they can play the arcade but the other 90% just get fed up and leave

and them stars are ******* vile

[Alkaz]

Avatars - I agree. Some of the sizes are way to small. Perhaps if there was to be larger sizes (but still keeping the max at 150x150) then there could be larger upload sizes for different ranks. I wanted to upload an animated avatar a while ago and I couldn't because the file size was to big and was very annoying.
Arcade - Again I think that something like the arcade should be free for all. To keep something there for VIP's then perhaps they could be the only people who could create tournaments etc. I know a lot of people use forums and spend a lot of time on the arcade and only post now and again whilst using the arcade but stay loyal to the site.
Reputation - I know that not many people liked the original changes to the reputation system back in 2008 or when ever it was. A lot of people with 20+ rep powers now were able to take advantage of the relaxed rules on reputation back then but now it is extremely hard to get rep and it is pretty unfair for those new users. If I was playing the forum and for example I only got 20 rep points in one month and knew that I needed 100's to get a single rep power I wouldn't want to stay for that long knowing the rep powers of some people.
Join Date - I don't actually see any problem with this as it is now?
Post Count - Again nothing really wrong as it is at the moment.
User Rank - Perhaps it would be better to have something like the old reputation comments instead of the star system.

Some pretty good suggestions and I would like to see most of them implemented and if not all of them but with some changes to what you have suggested.

[dogboy123]

Also, I'd like to think the reason people post on the forum is because they enjoy it, and they like the community. Not to gain all these features

[Tintinnabulate]

One thing is for sure, a major overhaul is required.

Skins (Alkaz has an amazing idea). More promotion etc.

[hah]

Also, I'd like to think the reason people post on the forum is because they enjoy it, and they like the community. Not to gain all these features

amazing point ben lol

[Pyroka]

why does this sound like a tune ive heard before... regardless, disagree with most except the userbar idea would be gd i think so yeah gd one for that.

[dogboy123]

Just to add to the avatar thing. If I was new on a forum (like i did on hf) I liked making myself look like established on the forum. Having a tiny av, and some horrible bronze stars doesn't really let you fit in.

[AgnesIO]

Before you read I know some of these are controversial. They're welcome to adjustments. Just saying yes/no isn't really useful. If you don't think we need them then explain why. It's a fact that HxF is no longer the most active Habbo Forum but I think it so easily could be as Habbox is easily the biggest and most influential fansite across Habbo. Even foreign hotels don't have a fansite like this.

It's mainly based around a problem that has been highlighted a good eight or so months ago now and has never really been directly combated effectively, membership retention. We have so many people signing up and then not posting or staying active for long. It has been put down to attitudes of older members, I don't buy this whatsoever. In no way is this forum more exclusive than others that do well.

Put the blab in spoiler, just why I made this thread etc:)

Keeping members at HxF
I think the only reason they don't stay is because it's so hard to become established on here. I look at the members who have posted recently who don't have really high post counts or a join date from years ago and they're mostly users who have come back from a ban.

Everything on this forum is putting new people off:

- Avatars
- Arcade
- Reputation
- Join Date
- Post count
- User rank

Avatars
Sure OK, they're progressive and it could be argued it's an incentive to post and be active to try and get a bigger avatar. In reality, I don't think that's the case. Small avatars look awful, I can't have an avatar that looks good which is annoying but I can't because the size makes them look ridiculous. I don't see why all users can't have the simple 150x150. People aren't going to stop buying donator or become less active because of an avatar.

What would be the point in ANY user ranks if there was no reason to want to post? People wouldn't post so much on the forum if here were no incentives.

Arcade
Again, why can't this just be open to all users... I feel it would benefit the forum more. If new users, came on, enjoyed the arcade and were given full access maybe they'd come back again just to use the arcade and even if they make 5 or so posts each time they come on it's still a help. I also think the arcade scores should be wiped, make it more active.

People don't join forums to play at the arcade. If they do then they are no use to Habbox what so ever. The arcade is just a little treat users get for being on the forum and staying active. Also you clearly don't know this, but the arcade scores were wiped one or to months ago?

Reputation
It's really hard to move up the reputation ladder. It's unlikely any other 'new' user would get that much. I think this should either be scrapped entirely. Reputation doesn't make people stay, or at least it shouldn't but it defo puts people off.

The point in reputation is you BUILD it. Check u reputation in the dictionary.

Join Date
Thinking behind this is maybe if there wasn't proof they were a new user, they wouldn't feel so new. It's not important at all and I don't think this should be displayed when you post. Or at least have the option, if possible for it not to be displayed on the forum.

I think I will just ignore this..

Post count
Seeing as the forum has been open so long some people have mammoth post counts. Again, I think if possible people should be allowed to make it so it doesn't display. Maybe even some of the more active users would do it to not look as addicted.

Oh I see what you mean here. When I was knew when I saw I only made 1 post I wanted to leave. It was so hurtful.

User Rank
The bronze stars are disgusting. Can't these just be replaced with userbars "new user" "loyal member" "legendary". Whatever. I just hate the star system and I think having a horrid star under your name would put you off the forum.
A lot of these are related to the fact the forum is so old. People who are new feel intimidated by the older members, even if they aren't threatening. If people were able to hide there own which are insignificant in comparison then maybe they'd be more inclined to post.

Intimidated? Is this a joke? Yet you want userbars that say NEW USER. That surely makes you look newer than a few bronze stars?

Anyway, I know these are controversial and I'd be surprised if anyone actually agreed but I think the systems we have at the moment although they work fine they put new members off the forum. If these were changed, I genuinely believe we could attract new people and make them stay. With the merge coming more people will be visiting and if we can make them stay, you'll be laughing!


Check the bold ;)

[Tintinnabulate]

Habbox needs to start installing modifications. CHF do it and I dont see it getting hacked regularly. Habbox need to stop worrying. I would be happy to suggest some amazing modifications which would make the forum more enjoyable.

There is like 190 users online, yet I only see the same 5-10 people post in Spam.

[Pyroka]

Habbox needs to start installing modifications. CHF do it and I dont see it getting hacked regularly. Habbox need to stop worrying. I would be happy to suggest some amazing modifications which would make the forum more enjoyable.

There is like 190 users online, yet I only see the same 5-10 people post in Spam.

dnt mean to be rude spesh since i see sexy calum viewing this thread but chf does get hacked.... and i cant remember the last time hxf got hacked since omg idk probs 3-4 yrs?? they need to start convertin guests into users

mebbe a quicker sign up system but then thats vbulletin so yknow

[hah]

What would be the point in ANY user ranks if there was no reason to want to post? People wouldn't post so much on the forum if here were no incentives.

People don't join forums to play at the arcade. If they do then they are no use to Habbox what so ever. The arcade is just a little treat users get for being on the forum and staying active. Also you clearly don't know this, but the arcade scores were wiped one or to months ago?

A bit of a contradiction there :S
People who look for incentives to posts are no use either :S


And it seems you dont either, they were wiped in dec

[AgnesIO]

A bit of a contradiction there :S


And it seems you dont either, they were wiped in dec

I thought they were wiped when vB 4.0 was brought in?

And no Graham.. People DON'T join the forum to play the arcade, HOWEVER after you have been loyal to the forum incentives are normally required to keep members here.

And let's be honest, the longer the list - whatever the list may be - the more people will want to have more posts.

[hah]

I dont no any users who look for things for posting lol
could you name some

[immense]

Check the bold ;)

Probably the worst post throughout the entire thread. The title is called controversial, the ideas were bound to be. It also says they're welcome for adjustments. Then you strut in here like you're a descendent of Immenseman. Your attitude to this and therefore your feedback is very tedious. Up until now every member, including 3 of the 4 General Management have replied and agreed to certain elements, altered others and believed that others are fine as they are. As it happens, I agree with the entirety of them and I'd put my life on the line that these would ease newer member's worries. They're not perfect, that has been acknowledged but by belittling a new member like that is ridiculous. No wonder they won't want to stay when people like you are pig ignorant. Talking about jokes like you mentioned, I think the joke is firmly back with you.

Anyway, I agree with all of these points as I've already mentioned. The Avatar's are ridiculous, I can't even use one because it's so horrendously small. All forums have 150x150, some even bigger. I really think this, the arcade and user ranks needs to change the most. Posting and reputation would help but they're not as big as the others and they would anger the old members, only to a certain extent. Anyway, glad that people have been constructive in here and +REP to the original poster who has come up with some ideas I hope to see implemented soon such as:

+ Bigger Avatars
+ Free access to arcade for all members
+ Revamp of user rank system

[AgnesIO]

I dont no any users who look for things for posting lol
could you name some

Well let me start by questioning:

If you posted 10,000 times and suddenly every member on the forum had all the standard bronze star feature, could you HONESTLY tell me there would not be an upror, because people get such a lame amount of features?

No need to answer that.

EDIT:

Lorren isn't ******* new..
And last time you did that 'IMMENSEMAN'S OPINIONS ON YOU' crap you said you hated how I posted controversial ideas.

I also don't understand where this thouht came from that new members brick it when they sign u? It it nonsense, I certainly didn't when I signed up - there never has and never will be a reason to be scared to sign up to forum, and the last thing on earth anyone could possibly worry about when they first sign up is that they can't have a big avatar?

[hah]

No i wouldn't care less lol

[AgnesIO]

No i wouldn't care less lol

I pomise ou at least half the users with let's say 10,000 - or even 5,000 posts would moan.

[hah]

oh you can read minds

[Tintinnabulate]

Then you strut in here like you're a descendent of Immenseman. Y

ROFL. I think instead of just saying the ideas are crap, peope need to suggest new ones or say why they actually agree of disagree.

[immense]

EDIT:

Lorren isn't ******* new..
And last time you did that 'IMMENSEMAN'S OPINIONS ON YOU' crap you said you hated how I posted controversial ideas.

I also don't understand where this thouht came from that new members brick it when they sign u? It it nonsense, I certainly didn't when I signed up - there never has and never will be a reason to be scared to sign up to forum, and the last thing on earth anyone could possibly worry about when they first sign up is that they can't have a big avatar?

Maybe not new in terms of join date. The fact she has less than 50 posts is pretty self-explanatory. Also, talking about when you signed up is *NOT* useful. You signed up three years ago. Hundreds of thousands of posts have happened since then and the forum has changed dramatically. If I signed up to a forum and had a new join date, no posts, couldn't have a decent avatar, couldn't use the arcade, had rank bronze stars under my name I'm not sure I would stay either. For the love of God.

[AgnesIO]

ROFL. I think instead of just saying the ideas are crap, peope need to suggest new ones or say why they actually agree of disagree.

I did say why. And for most those ideas you can only say 'Yes or No'. Unless we have have half the post count on and half off?

[Nixt]

Hey does anyone think that sometimes newer members might be put off when they see more established members bickering? I think it's possible.


ROFL. I think instead of just saying the ideas are crap, peope need to suggest new ones or say why they actually agree of disagree.

I quite agree. One key problem I find with people's feedbacks is they will outright disagree (and even when people agree) and yet fail to justify why in depth which makes our job impossible.

[dogboy123]

People are saying 'but the old users wouldnt like this' or w/e. That annoys me because the old members will stay because they like the forum, we need new members for the forum to grow. It seems pointless people are disagreeing to some of these things to pander to the older members

[AgnesIO]

Hey does anyone think that sometimes newer members might be put off when they see more established members bickering? I think it's possible.



I quite agree. One key problem I find with people's feedbacks is they will outright disagree (and even when people agree) and yet fail to justify why in depth which makes our job impossible.

What do you mean '(and even when people agree)' - does that mean if one person likes an idea everyone has to?

The problem is unlike many people, I cannot be bothered to write an essay on why I don't think post count should be turned off.

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Might I point out habbox has over 50,000 'active' members, is the most successful habbo fansite, and continues to grow? Are people not realising if people still sign up and post there is not a problem. DON'T FIX WHAT IS NOT BROKEN.

[lorren]

I would have been here more and posted more if the features were improved for newer members.


Might I point out habbox has over 50,000 'active' members, is the most successful habbo fansite, and continues to grow? Are people not realising if people still sign up and post there is not a problem. DON'T FIX WHAT IS NOT BROKEN.

total ignorance right here. Must be no point of this section if nothing should be improved.

[Blob]

I agree with most of them. Maybe the competitions team could setup a posting quest for new users or something, to keep them entertained while they post.

[dogboy123]

What do you mean '(and even when people agree)' - does that mean if one person likes an idea everyone has to?

The problem is unlike many people, I cannot be bothered to write an essay on why I don't think post count should be turned off.

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Might I point out habbox has over 50,000 'active' members, is the most successful habbo fansite, and continues to grow? Are people not realising if people still sign up and post there is not a problem. DON'T FIX WHAT IS NOT BROKEN.


I dont see many new users posting any further than their welcome threads...

[Barmi]

dnt mean to be rude spesh since i see sexy calum viewing this thread but chf does get hacked.... and i cant remember the last time hxf got hacked since omg idk probs 3-4 yrs?? they need to start convertin guests into users

mebbe a quicker sign up system but then thats vbulletin so yknow

Oh absolutely! It's been compromised once in recent memory, but that was through human error. Some plugins and modifications are useful, and I'm sure Habbox management are much more welcoming to the idea than they were a few years ago... but I'm also sure they are cautious to keep such things minimised so as to safeguard forum stability. By and large, the most popular plugins are very safe... stability concerns are usually more of an issue.

@OP: I do agree with you on the avatars point, and I hope management discuss it. As someone rightly pointed out in this thread, it's an instant at-a-glance inferiority/superiority thing. I don't think new members are concerned about progression, reputation or join date –– they want to feel equal right away. 'Progression' can be saved in other areas if you're concerned about keeping members for a long time (if you truly believe 'progression' is what keeps them interested...), but larger avatar sizes for a brand new user would be a great change, keeping new members a little bit happier.

Edit: Obviously, there is only so much that can be done to retain new members. After the drama over at another official fansite (users were discussing where they should 'migrate' to), it's clear that some people are terribly fickle and don't want to join an existing community –– but rather want a community to form around them. We shouldn't pander too much to that crowd. In Habbox's case, its best bet is luring young Habbos in from its main site and keeping them here with features that rival most other sites.

[AgnesIO]

I would have been here more and posted more if the features were improved for newer members.



total ignorance right here. Must be no point of this section if nothing should be improved.

No new ideas are often posted here. Sorry I just dont think being able to turn post count off is justifiable. Thank god the features haven't been available then imo ;)


I dont see many new users posting any further than their welcome threads...

That's ALWAYS been the case. Most users will never log back on, but yu can't stop that. That's just like on habbo ..

[immense]

Just want to throw an adjustment into the ring. Maybe for avatars if it's a concern that people won't buy donor if they don't get a bigger avatar, they could have theirs replaced to 180x180 (vip also) and 150x150 can be for everyone else. I think people buy it more for their coloured name and userbar anyway. I think anything smaller is just silly because you can't even have a good avatar you want to be displayed because the limitations make it less appealing. People need to take pride in their account and not feel so excluded. This could help.

Also, as Ben mentioned you see a new user make a welcome thread and then you never see them post again. Something has to be done about this I think.

[Tintinnabulate]

Well let me start by questioning:

If you posted 10,000 times and suddenly every member on the forum had all the standard bronze star feature, could you HONESTLY tell me there would not be an upror, because people get such a lame amount of features?

No need to answer that.

EDIT:

Lorren isn't ******* new..
And last time you did that 'IMMENSEMAN'S OPINIONS ON YOU' crap you said you hated how I posted controversial ideas.

I also don't understand where this thouht came from that new members brick it when they sign u? It it nonsense, I certainly didn't when I signed up - there never has and never will be a reason to be scared to sign up to forum, and the last thing on earth anyone could possibly worry about when they first sign up is that they can't have a big avatar?

I think you raise some good points. People try and not get banned as they dont want to start again. Giving everyone the same features would mean people don't have anything to work towards. its a fact some people like having higher post count - and they should be rewarded. Its only right.

On my forum, I didn't have strict rules. It was simply: Do not be rude. Do not post inappropriate stuff i.e. porn, Do not post links to phishers, Do not spam.

The forum ran amazingly well. I had over 40,000 members sign up in less than 2 years with the site getting in the top 9,000 ranked sites on Alexa. I was getting 30,000 - 40,000 uniques a day. Why? I installed many modifications which people would like. If someone broke a rule, my moderators edited it and sent a friendly PM.
When I had the forum, hundreds of the same forum existed, but people joined mine because it looked welcoming and had so many features to offer.

Right now, what is different about habboxforum and other forums such as CHF? Its a standard vBulletin forum. They need to customise it, more better skins (someone from the forum department really needs to speak to Alkaz for some advice on skins or AGM's need to look at the AGM forum)

The PM's Habbox sends if you break a rule is like you have done something very serious - same with CHF. Th PM template needs to be changed.

This is an example of a PM I received:

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Hi Saurav,

In this post you posted something pointless and off topic.

May I remind you that it is against the Rules to post pointlessly:


A6. Do not post pointlessly ~ A pointless post has no relevance to the topic, any previous post that is relevant, is meaningless (ghnrgher etc) or does little to contribute to the discussion.
Please do not make a habit of this or further action may be taken.

Thanks,
{name} (Forum Moderator)

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Its just so serious and so off putting for new members.

However, if it said this it would be so much better:

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Hi Saurav,

In this post you posted something which can be considered pointless and off-topic.

I would like to take this opportunity to link you to our forum rules and to please read it if you haven't already.

The rule your post has broken is:


A6. Do not post pointlessly ~ A pointless post has no relevance to the topic, any previous post that is relevant, is meaningless (ghnrgher etc) or does little to contribute to the discussion.

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to PM me :)

Thanks,
{name} (Forum Moderator)

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Something like that which is friendly.

I have only mentioned my forum because I want to prove that modifications do help. Simple rules do help. Nicer PMs do help. Staff being very active does help.

The site offers something unique - rare values.
Its time to think of whats unique about HabboxForum.

[Nixt]

What do you mean '(and even when people agree)' - does that mean if one person likes an idea everyone has to?

The problem is unlike many people, I cannot be bothered to write an essay on why I don't think post count should be turned off.

I mean when people agree it is sometimes nice for them explain why they agree. Just saying "I agree" or "I disagree" does little to help us take their feedback into account and then go ahead and implement suggestions.


Might I point out habbox has over 50,000 'active' members, is the most successful habbo fansite, and continues to grow? Are people not realising if people still sign up and post there is not a problem. DON'T FIX WHAT IS NOT BROKEN.

You are quite correct but what one must also consider is that in comparison to what it used to be Habbox most certainly isn't as popular. Any website needs to be constantly evolving and if Habbox fails to do so and falls further and further behind this lapse in activity that is proven by statistics will only get worse. I don't think we're in dire straits but we do need to continue to evolve in order to remain the most successful Habbo fansite out there, particularly with merge coming up.




Oh absolutely! It's been compromised once in recent memory, but that was through human error. Some plugins and modifications are useful, and I'm sure Habbox management are much more welcoming to the idea than they were a few years ago... but I'm also sure they are cautious to keep such things minimised so as to safeguard forum stability. By and large, the most popular plugins are very safe... stability concerns are usually more of an issue.

I quite agree that the current Habbox management are much more open to suggestions for additional plugins than ever before. As with any policy change we do need to take into account many things and forum security and stability is one of them. Nevertheless we are more than willing to implement plugins we feel will be useful.

[Pyroka]

I mean when people agree it is sometimes nice for them explain why they agree. Just saying "I agree" or "I disagree" does little to help us take their feedback into account and then go ahead and implement suggestions.



You are quite correct but what one must also consider is that in comparison to what it used to be Habbox most certainly isn't as popular. Any website needs to be constantly evolving and if Habbox fails to do so and falls further and further behind this lapse in activity that is proven by statistics will only get worse. I don't think we're in dire straits but we do need to continue to evolve in order to remain the most successful Habbo fansite out there, particularly with merge coming up.





I quite agree that the current Habbox management are much more open to suggestions for additional plugins than ever before. As with any policy change we do need to take into account many things and forum security and stability is one of them. Nevertheless we are more than willing to implement plugins we feel will be useful.

i think hxf and chf management should unite and suggest different plugins to eachother yay

btw lol calum i didnt realise i was followin u on twitter what a silly sausage

[W00TZEH]

whoah way too much to read! its a big fat no from me!

Edited by Nicola (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not post pointlessly

[Inseriousity.]

When I was new, I didn't really care much for features and whatnot. It's only when I decided to stay that I would have liked these features. I decided to stay because of the community so if we're thinking of gaining new members, I still think the community is the bigger priority.

However, I think the new users are targeted by the moderators, they are easy targets as they're not clued up with how the forum works and so if a new user gets a PM saying 'your avatar is too big', it looks like the site is too strict and they may be put off by that. I do believe the system is light on new users so there's no problems there but the fact they have to get a PM in the first place probably put a few people off.

As for the arcade, I've always been amazed at the restrictions on it. It just seems so bizarre and unnecessary!

[Tintinnabulate]

What do you mean '(and even when people agree)' - does that mean if one person likes an idea everyone has to?

The problem is unlike many people, I cannot be bothered to write an essay on why I don't think post count should be turned off.

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Might I point out habbox has over 50,000 'active' members, is the most successful habbo fansite, and continues to grow? Are people not realising if people still sign up and post there is not a problem. DON'T FIX WHAT IS NOT BROKEN.

I posted stats last month which clearly showed HabboxForum is no longer the most popular.


whoah way too much to read! its a big fat no from me!

My simple rule is: If you cba reading, don't bother posting. Its very disrespectful.

[Catzsy]

I think you raise some good points. People try and not get banned as they dont want to start again. Giving everyone the same features would mean people don't have anything to work towards. its a fact some people like having higher post count - and they should be rewarded. Its only right.

On my forum, I didn't have strict rules. It was simply: Do not be rude. Do not post inappropriate stuff i.e. porn, Do not post links to phishers, Do not spam.

The forum ran amazingly well. I had over 40,000 members sign up in less than 2 years with the site getting in the top 9,000 ranked sites on Alexa. I was getting 30,000 - 40,000 uniques a day. Why? I installed many modifications which people would like. If someone broke a rule, my moderators edited it and sent a friendly PM.
When I had the forum, hundreds of the same forum existed, but people joined mine because it looked welcoming and had so many features to offer.

Right now, what is different about habboxforum and other forums such as CHF? Its a standard vBulletin forum. They need to customise it, more better skins (someone from the forum department really needs to speak to Alkaz for some advice on skins or AGM's need to look at the AGM forum)

The PM's Habbox sends if you break a rule is like you have done something very serious - same with CHF. Th PM template needs to be changed.

This is an example of a PM I received:

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Hi Saurav,

In this post you posted something pointless and off topic.

May I remind you that it is against the Rules to post pointlessly:


Please do not make a habit of this or further action may be taken.

Thanks,
{name} (Forum Moderator)

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Its just so serious and so off putting for new members.

However, if it said this it would be so much better:

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Hi Saurav,

In this post you posted something which can be considered pointless and off-topic.

I would like to take this opportunity to link you to our forum rules and to please read it if you haven't already.

The rule your post has broken is:



If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to PM me :)

Thanks,
{name} (Forum Moderator)

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Something like that which is friendly.

I have only mentioned my forum because I want to prove that modifications do help. Simple rules do help. Nicer PMs do help. Staff being very active does help.

The site offers something unique - rare values.
Its time to think of whats unique about HabboxForum.

All mods are instructed to send friendly pms and I am sure most do. If you have had one that isn't as your example you should report it to the Forum Manager as it not advocated by Habbox to do this. I would also like your comments that this is not the norm in the pms you receive because we do not use templates. To point out one that is not up to standard is not fair on the mods. What happened to your forum?

[W00TZEH]

I posted stats last month which clearly showed HabboxForum is no longer the most popular.



My simple rule is: If you cba reading, don't bother posting. Its very disrespectful.
I read the original post, but all the posts after that was a step too far.

[Tintinnabulate]

What do you mean '(and even when people agree)' - does that mean if one person likes an idea everyone has to?

The problem is unlike many people, I cannot be bothered to write an essay on why I don't think post count should be turned off.

----

Might I point out habbox has over 50,000 'active' members, is the most successful habbo fansite, and continues to grow? Are people not realising if people still sign up and post there is not a problem. DON'T FIX WHAT IS NOT BROKEN.


All mods are instructed to send friendly pms and I am sure most do. If you have had one that isn't as your example you should report it to the Forum Manager as it not advocated by Habbox to do this. I would also like your comments that this is not the norm in the pms you recieve. To point out one that is not up to standard is not fair on the mods.

Its the only one I have on this account. My banned account had similar ones. None were friendly. I know Mods are encouraged to send friendly PM's but unfortunately not all do.

[dogboy123]

I think something happens like this. But I think that when they join they should get a friendly PM from a bot that is friendly, and attracts them to use the forum. Also a guestbook message from the bot.

I think the first bit already applies

[Tintinnabulate]

I think something happens like this. But I think that when they join they should get a friendly PM from a bot that is friendly, and attracts them to use the forum. Also a guestbook message from the bot.

I think the first bit already applies

They get an email. They also get a PM.

[dogboy123]

Whats the bot called? Whats the PM like?

[Catzsy]

Its the only one I have on this account. My banned account had similar ones. None were friendly. I know Mods are encouraged to send friendly PM's but unfortunately not all do.

Well in that case you should report the mods that don't. I cannot believe you have not had one friendly pm?

[Tintinnabulate]

Well in that case you should report the mods that don't. I cannot believe you have not had one friendly pm?

Well tbh I had 2 infractions before being permd so I did not have many. I know many of the PM's I have received are serious rather than friendly.

[Nixt]

Its the only one I have on this account. My banned account had similar ones. None were friendly. I know Mods are encouraged to send friendly PM's but unfortunately not all do.

This is something that will have to be looked into and I would encourage anyone to send any 'unfriendly' PMs to Oli to be dealt with. It was my intention, when I recently wrote a new mod guide, to include PM templates that didn't need to be followed to the letter but would give our moderators an idea of what a friendly PM should look like. If this is still an issue I am sure Oli will look into it.


I think something happens like this. But I think that when they join they should get a friendly PM from a bot that is friendly, and attracts them to use the forum. Also a guestbook message from the bot.

I think the first bit already applies

Members do get a message when they sign up and I do think we discussed changing it to make it more friendly not long ago. I think it comes from "System" or something like that. I'd much rather it came from Forum God or maybe even MattGarner so it looks a lot friendlier and can be replied to. Additionally I think maybe myself, Matt, Roxy, Alkaz, Oli and the Moderators could put in more effort in maybe giving new members visitor messages to make them feel more welcome. Obviously not us all inundating every new member, but if we spot a new member we could give them a VM if someone hasn't already. It's nothing major but could be beneficial.

[lorren]

Dear lorren,

You have received an infraction at Habbox Forum.

Reason: Inappropriate Language / Avoiding the filter
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You were warned by me a few days ago about avoiding the filter for this word, if you continue to do so, further action will be taken.


Regards,*Removed*

this was my mod message from a few months ago XD

(only posted to show you my mod message that i recieve)

[dogboy123]

System just looks stupid. Maybe even Welcome or something funny like The Habbox Cleaner or something like that would brighten the forum up. Also if someone joins after me telling them in HxHD i always try say hi to them, and its just someone to turn to if they have problems which is great

[Tintinnabulate]

This is something that will have to be looked into and I would encourage anyone to send any 'unfriendly' PMs to Oli to be dealt with. It was my intention, when I recently wrote a new mod guide, to include PM templates that didn't need to be followed to the letter but would give our moderators an idea of what a friendly PM should look like. If this is still an issue I am sure Oli will look into it.



Members do get a message when they sign up and I do think we discussed changing it to make it more friendly not long ago. I think it comes from "System" or something like that. I'd much rather it came from Forum God or maybe even MattGarner so it looks a lot friendlier and can be replied to. Additionally I think maybe myself, Matt, Roxy, Alkaz, Oli and the Moderators could put in more effort in maybe giving new members visitor messages to make them feel more welcome. Obviously not us all inundating every new member, but if we spot a new member we could give them a VM if someone hasn't already. It's nothing major but could be beneficial.

Yeah I suggested the visitor message idea in the Leaders Debates but I got flamed by some members for some reason.

I think its vital to get all management posting regularly. Its good to see it has improved though.

[Alkaz]

Additionally I think maybe myself, Matt, Roxy, Alkaz, Oli and the Moderators could put in more effort in maybe giving new members visitor messages to make them feel more welcome.
I actually started to do this a week or so ago but haven't had the time due to exams etc since but definitely is something which I do agree we should be doing. It is hardly any effort to leave a visitor message. Also to add to what Saurav said, I think that recently all members of management have been posting a bit more actively around the forum but still could be improved. :)

[Catzsy]

Well tbh I had 2 infractions before being permd so I did not have many. I know many of the PM's I have received are serious rather than friendly.

Well I would encourage any member to report an unfriendly pm as this is not what we are about.

[Hecktix]

Hi!

Sorry I've left this so late to reply, you just happened to post this on the blue moon which involves me actually leaving my house for a purpose other than college :O

Firstly, I'd like to thank you for writing this up and taking the time to attempt to help Habbox Forum. Feedback is something which we rely heavily on and any feedback is appreciated as it will help us move forward, which is of course what we aim to do.

I'm not going to quote your post and reply to every single bit, I'm simply going to post a response to your ideas.

I'm gonna put the negative stuff at the top so you leave my post on a positive note, the reputation system, the idea about post count not showing and the idea about join date not showing - I think Garion's shot them down pretty well so I'm just going to say that it won't be happening, particularly the not showing part of post count and join date. Reputation is something we may consider but this forum has had so much reputation system reform if our reputation was the economy we'd be in a worst state than this country.

I've read through this whole thread and from it I've decided what I am about to say. Obviously I will have to check with General Management whether I am allowed to conduct such radical changes I do not know.

Firstly, the arcade - I'm willing to give unlimited access to everyone, however restrict tournament permissions within the user-rank system. I am a big fan of the arcade and play it a lot and sometimes I wonder why not that many users are playing too then I remember that we restrict it, and then feel harsh! So yeah, unlimited arcade access to all will be added to the top of my list for updates this week.

On to my bigger decision. The Habbox Star User-Rank system was introduced quite some time ago and really the restrictions have not changed since then.

You are right in saying we need to reward the newer users with more privelidges. I do believe that if for a higher post count you get more privilidges this is an incentive to post, however I don't think it's so much of an incentive to actually have effect on the forum.

From reading the feedback in this thread, I would like to change the User-Rank system we have.

I would like to change it so we have five main userranks, I personally like the star system but only the coloured ones look good, the bronze ones for instance look disgusting, as you said. So my initial proposal is going to keep the stars however if that's not massively liked then this can be changed.

Five ranks: Gold, Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald & Platinum

Each rank will then have four stages which work similar to the way you progress through each star at the moment however for each extra star within your rank you progress you will be given a reward for achieving this. My proposal is that every time you reach a new star within your rank is that you recieve reputation points

So it'd kinda be like this:

Gold Members:
To be in this userrank you must have between 0 and 1000 posts.
For each extra star you need 250 posts and each time you gain an extra star you get 10 rep points.
Obviously I'm not going to go into detail here with the privilidges the member will get, however to make it relevant to the post, I'm going to say that Gold Members will be permitted to have an avatar of 120x120, something which in the current system you would need 2500 posts for.

Ruby Members:
To be in this user rank you must have between 1001 and 2500 posts.
For each extra star you would need 375 posts each time you gain an extra star you get 15 rep points
This usergroup would be permitted an avatar of 130x130 something which you would currently need 5000 posts for.

Sapphire Members:
To be in this user rank you must have between 2501 and 5000 posts
For each extra star you would need 625 posts each time you gain an extra star you would get 20 rep points.
This usergroup would be permitted an avatar of 140x140 something which you currently need 10000 posts for.

Emerald Members:
To be in this userrank you must have between 5001 and 10000 posts.
For each extra star you would need 1250 posts and would be rewarded with 25 rep points per star
This usergroup would be permitted an avatar of 150x150 something which you currently need 20,000 posts for.

Platinum Members
To be in this userrank you must have between 10,001 and 20,000 posts.
For each extra star you would need 2500 posts and would be rewarded with 30 rep points per star
This usergroup would get a 150x150 avatar and larger signature options in comparison with the Emerald group, this group would also be able to see who gave reputation.

What if we go over 20,000 posts?
If a member was to reach the 20,000 end limit then they would become a Habbox God and be placed into the Habbox God usergroup which will have a bolded coloured name and all VIP features permanently.

Please note this is an idea I've just drawn up here and now for you to discuss, if this was to go ahead (which hopefully it will) it will probably be changed quite a bit to suit your needs.

I hope this response is kinda what you were looking for.

[Alkaz]

That seems pretty good, Oli. The Habbox God permissions would mean that only one person would get it immediately but quiet a few are just a few hundred posts away so would be interesting to see their response to that proposed change :D

[FlyingJesus]

Avatars
Sure OK, they're progressive and it could be argued it's an incentive to post and be active to try and get a bigger avatar. In reality, I don't think that's the case. Small avatars look awful, I can't have an avatar that looks good which is annoying but I can't because the size makes them look ridiculous. I don't see why all users can't have the simple 150x150. People aren't going to stop buying donator or become less active because of an avatar.

Could have sworn I saw Oli saying he was going to make the default avatar size 100x100 rather than the 90x100 that it has been for some reason, and personally I don't see that as a terrible size. MSN display pictures are smaller than this (96x96 I think although I could be a couple out) and that's not something I ever see people complain about. If it was made easier to progress to whatever the secondary level of membership is with an increase there it would suffice rather than having everyone the same - taking away privileges takes away incentives.


Arcade
Again, why can't this just be open to all users... I feel it would benefit the forum more. If new users, came on, enjoyed the arcade and were given full access maybe they'd come back again just to use the arcade and even if they make 5 or so posts each time they come on it's still a help. I also think the arcade scores should be wiped, make it more active.

This I agree with (although scores don't need to be wiped - that was done recently anyway) as anyone hanging around the forum, even just for the arcade, is likely to post at some point or another. There's no harm to be had by implementing this.


Reputation
It's really hard to move up the reputation ladder. It's unlikely any other 'new' user would get that much. I think this should either be scrapped entirely. Reputation doesn't make people stay, or at least it shouldn't but it defo puts people off.

I am of course going to have a bias on this but really I can't see many of the older and more respected members being too happy at having their hard work erased. A change whereby earlier levels are easier to obtain (ie: 50 points needed to gain the first few rep powers, then 80 per power, 120 per power etc) would be preferential and although this would increase pretty much everyone's rep power, that would then actually make it easier for new members to get more rep and start their own way up - a win for everyone.


Join Date
Thinking behind this is maybe if there wasn't proof they were a new user, they wouldn't feel so new. It's not important at all and I don't think this should be displayed when you post. Or at least have the option, if possible for it not to be displayed on the forum.

Not really sure if this is necessary, and has been said elsewhere it can still be checked through the member number thingy (the word's gone right out of my head..) but if people really want it then sure, wouldn't bother me personally and don't think it would have much effect on anyone.


Post count
Seeing as the forum has been open so long some people have mammoth post counts. Again, I think if possible people should be allowed to make it so it doesn't display. Maybe even some of the more active users would do it to not look as addicted.

As far as I'm aware, those with the highest post counts are far more likely to be proud of their contributions than ashamed of looking addicted. This I can see being used more by those with lower post counts in order to hide the fact that they haven't been around long, in fact. Not convinced of this having much of an impact, positive or negative.


User Rank
The bronze stars are disgusting. Can't these just be replaced with userbars "new user" "loyal member" "legendary". Whatever. I just hate the star system and I think having a horrid star under your name would put you off the forum.
A lot of these are related to the fact the forum is so old. People who are new feel intimidated by the older members, even if they aren't threatening. If people were able to hide there own which are insignificant in comparison then maybe they'd be more inclined to post.

Gonna leave this one alone because it doesn't affect me and that's how I roll.


Anyway, I know these are controversial and I'd be surprised if anyone actually agreed but I think the systems we have at the moment although they work fine they put new members off the forum.

They aren't terrible ideas but I think the real problem is that we're simply too big for our own boots now. As you've been saying, people don't feel that they can fit in well enough, but this is always the case with new members on large forums. Those who join up and instantly become part of the community are usually those who already knew people here or were names of some sort on the hotel - not a bad thing always, but for the average joe it doesn't bode well no matter how big their avatars or what colour the stars are under their name.


People are saying 'but the old users wouldnt like this' or w/e. That annoys me because the old members will stay because they like the forum, we need new members for the forum to grow. It seems pointless people are disagreeing to some of these things to pander to the older members

Well we are kind of important. Alienating those who've been around a long time in order to try getting newer members to stick around basically amounts to starting a new forum, which is a difficult thing to do without a lot of support.


I'd much rather it came from Forum God or maybe even MattGarner so it looks a lot friendlier and can be replied to. Additionally I think maybe myself, Matt, Roxy, Alkaz, Oli and the Moderators could put in more effort in maybe giving new members visitor messages to make them feel more welcome. Obviously not us all inundating every new member, but if we spot a new member we could give them a VM if someone hasn't already. It's nothing major but could be beneficial.

I think this is one of the more important issues that's come up recently - if management themselves get involved with newer members (and not just with a pre-set welcome message) then they're more likely to feel a part of the forum than just having a few people trying to raise post count in their welcome thread and then being sent off to play in the sand.


Hi!

Hi.


Firstly, the arcade - I'm willing to give unlimited access to everyone, however restrict tournament permissions within the user-rank system. I am a big fan of the arcade and play it a lot and sometimes I wonder why not that many users are playing too then I remember that we restrict it, and then feel harsh! So yeah, unlimited arcade access to all will be added to the top of my list for updates this week.

Makes a lot of sense, as long as it's moderated properly. Seen plenty of hacked scores and nothing gets done about them until a big fuss is kicked up.



Gold Members:
To be in this userrank you must have between 0 and 1000 posts.
For each extra star you need 250 posts and each time you gain an extra star you get 10 rep points.
Obviously I'm not going to go into detail here with the privilidges the member will get, however to make it relevant to the post, I'm going to say that Gold Members will be permitted to have an avatar of 120x120, something which in the current system you would need 2500 posts for.

Ruby Members:
To be in this user rank you must have between 1001 and 2500 posts.
For each extra star you would need 375 posts each time you gain an extra star you get 15 rep points
This usergroup would be permitted an avatar of 130x130 something which you would currently need 5000 posts for.

Sapphire Members:
To be in this user rank you must have between 2501 and 5000 posts
For each extra star you would need 625 posts each time you gain an extra star you would get 20 rep points.
This usergroup would be permitted an avatar of 140x140 something which you currently need 10000 posts for.

Emerald Members:
To be in this userrank you must have between 5001 and 10000 posts.
For each extra star you would need 1250 posts and would be rewarded with 25 rep points per star
This usergroup would be permitted an avatar of 150x150 something which you currently need 20,000 posts for.

Platinum Members
To be in this userrank you must have between 10,001 and 20,000 posts.
For each extra star you would need 2500 posts and would be rewarded with 30 rep points per star
This usergroup would get a 150x150 avatar and larger signature options in comparison with the Emerald group, this group would also be able to see who gave reputation.

What if we go over 20,000 posts?
If a member was to reach the 20,000 end limit then they would become a Habbox God and be placed into the Habbox God usergroup which will have a bolded coloured name and all VIP features permanently.

Those restrictions etc look fine, but unsure about the rep given for attaining new stars. If it doesn't apply to current members then it would be unfair to those who've already posted loads, and if it does then I can see a large amount of rep suddenly appearing (in BACs, as it were) which has seemingly been something management have wanted to suppress over recent years. If management's ok with that then have a look into my rep idea that's somewhere above in this post :P

[Nicola]

Before you read I know some of these are controversial. They're welcome to adjustments. Just saying yes/no isn't really useful. If you don't think we need them then explain why. It's a fact that HxF is no longer the most active Habbo Forum but I think it so easily could be as Habbox is easily the biggest and most influential fansite across Habbo. Even foreign hotels don't have a fansite like this.

It's mainly based around a problem that has been highlighted a good eight or so months ago now and has never really been directly combated effectively, membership retention. We have so many people signing up and then not posting or staying active for long. It has been put down to attitudes of older members, I don't buy this whatsoever. In no way is this forum more exclusive than others that do well.

Put the blab in spoiler, just why I made this thread etc:)

Keeping members at HxF
I think the only reason they don't stay is because it's so hard to become established on here. I look at the members who have posted recently who don't have really high post counts or a join date from years ago and they're mostly users who have come back from a ban.

Everything on this forum is putting new people off:

- Avatars
- Arcade
- Reputation
- Join Date
- Post count
- User rank

Avatars
Sure OK, they're progressive and it could be argued it's an incentive to post and be active to try and get a bigger avatar. In reality, I don't think that's the case. Small avatars look awful, I can't have an avatar that looks good which is annoying but I can't because the size makes them look ridiculous. I don't see why all users can't have the simple 150x150. People aren't going to stop buying donator or become less active because of an avatar.

I agree that small avatars do look horrible and there really isn't much point in having them that size as most of the time, you can't even tell what it is. I do not agree that all users should have 150x150 though as avatar limits is something that increases with each rank which does make users post.

Arcade
Again, why can't this just be open to all users... I feel it would benefit the forum more. If new users, came on, enjoyed the arcade and were given full access maybe they'd come back again just to use the arcade and even if they make 5 or so posts each time they come on it's still a help. I also think the arcade scores should be wiped, make it more active.

Completely agree that it should be open to all users. Do not agree that the arcade should be wiped, it's not really fair on people who have worked hard on getting high scores.

Reputation
It's really hard to move up the reputation ladder. It's unlikely any other 'new' user would get that much. I think this should either be scrapped entirely. Reputation doesn't make people stay, or at least it shouldn't but it defo puts people off.

Completely disagree on it being scrapped entirely. I know when I started I loved getting rewarded for making good posts and threads. It actually made me want to post more, it was kind of a confidence boost really.

Join Date
Thinking behind this is maybe if there wasn't proof they were a new user, they wouldn't feel so new. It's not important at all and I don't think this should be displayed when you post. Or at least have the option, if possible for it not to be displayed on the forum.

I really don't see the join date as an issue tbh. Everyone started somewhere, everyone was once new to this forum.

Post count
Seeing as the forum has been open so long some people have mammoth post counts. Again, I think if possible people should be allowed to make it so it doesn't display. Maybe even some of the more active users would do it to not look as addicted.

I think post count is something people are quite proud of really, especially the older members. Like with the join date, I don't think this is a huge issue and if anything seeing the high post counts should make members want to post more so they can get that high.

User Rank
The bronze stars are disgusting. Can't these just be replaced with userbars "new user" "loyal member" "legendary". Whatever. I just hate the star system and I think having a horrid star under your name would put you off the forum.
A lot of these are related to the fact the forum is so old. People who are new feel intimidated by the older members, even if they aren't threatening. If people were able to hide there own which are insignificant in comparison then maybe they'd be more inclined to post.

I do like the stars but they are very outdated and I think they need to be spruced up a little bit. In response to the second part of your post, everyone started somewhere, even the older members were once new and as long as they enjoy posting around the forum they really shouldn't let this affect them.

Anyway, I know these are controversial and I'd be surprised if anyone actually agreed but I think the systems we have at the moment although they work fine they put new members off the forum. If these were changed, I genuinely believe we could attract new people and make them stay. With the merge coming more people will be visiting and if we can make them stay, you'll be laughing!

My thoughts in bold and purrrrrrple. I know some of what I said, well pretty much all has been echoed in this thread a few times but I thought I'd put forward my thoughts aswell.

From personal experience, I was never bothered by the rank system when I first came to the forum. I just posted for the love of it and not to get higher. I only started to get more interested in the rank system as I spent more time on the forum, probably because it took me a while to understand it but y'know :P

Not everyone is going to be like that and I'm sure a lot of new members might need that extra push to make them post. Especially if they are new to forums.

+rep for taking the time to do this and giving interesting suggestions :)




From reading the feedback in this thread, I would like to change the User-Rank system we have.

I would like to change it so we have five main userranks, I personally like the star system but only the coloured ones look good, the bronze ones for instance look disgusting, as you said. So my initial proposal is going to keep the stars however if that's not massively liked then this can be changed.

Five ranks: Gold, Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald & Platinum

Each rank will then have four stages which work similar to the way you progress through each star at the moment however for each extra star within your rank you progress you will be given a reward for achieving this. My proposal is that every time you reach a new star within your rank is that you recieve reputation points

So it'd kinda be like this:

Gold Members:
To be in this userrank you must have between 0 and 1000 posts.
For each extra star you need 250 posts and each time you gain an extra star you get 10 rep points.
Obviously I'm not going to go into detail here with the privilidges the member will get, however to make it relevant to the post, I'm going to say that Gold Members will be permitted to have an avatar of 120x120, something which in the current system you would need 2500 posts for.

Ruby Members:
To be in this user rank you must have between 1001 and 2500 posts.
For each extra star you would need 375 posts each time you gain an extra star you get 15 rep points
This usergroup would be permitted an avatar of 130x130 something which you would currently need 5000 posts for.

Sapphire Members:
To be in this user rank you must have between 2501 and 5000 posts
For each extra star you would need 625 posts each time you gain an extra star you would get 20 rep points.
This usergroup would be permitted an avatar of 140x140 something which you currently need 10000 posts for.

Emerald Members:
To be in this userrank you must have between 5001 and 10000 posts.
For each extra star you would need 1250 posts and would be rewarded with 25 rep points per star
This usergroup would be permitted an avatar of 150x150 something which you currently need 20,000 posts for.

Platinum Members
To be in this userrank you must have between 10,001 and 20,000 posts.
For each extra star you would need 2500 posts and would be rewarded with 30 rep points per star
This usergroup would get a 150x150 avatar and larger signature options in comparison with the Emerald group, this group would also be able to see who gave reputation.

What if we go over 20,000 posts?
If a member was to reach the 20,000 end limit then they would become a Habbox God and be placed into the Habbox God usergroup which will have a bolded coloured name and all VIP features permanently.

Please note this is an idea I've just drawn up here and now for you to discuss, if this was to go ahead (which hopefully it will) it will probably be changed quite a bit to suit your needs.

I hope this response is kinda what you were looking for.

Sorry to completely ignore the first part of your post Oli but I really love this idea. It sounds 10 times better and seems a lot more simplified and cleaned up compared to the current system, there really is too many ranks. Also started on a "Gold" sounds better than starting on a "Bronze".

Much better avatar size for newer members to start off with and I love the "Habbox God" usergroup aswell. That's a great way to reward the older members who clearly have a lot of dedication to the forum.

[Tintinnabulate]

Gold Members:
To be in this userrank you must have between 0 and 1000 posts.
For each extra star you need 250 posts and each time you gain an extra star you get 10 rep points.
Obviously I'm not going to go into detail here with the privilidges the member will get, however to make it relevant to the post, I'm going to say that Gold Members will be permitted to have an avatar of 120x120, something which in the current system you would need 2500 posts for.

Ruby Members:
To be in this user rank you must have between 1001 and 2500 posts.
For each extra star you would need 375 posts each time you gain an extra star you get 15 rep points
This usergroup would be permitted an avatar of 130x130 something which you would currently need 5000 posts for.

Sapphire Members:
To be in this user rank you must have between 2501 and 5000 posts
For each extra star you would need 625 posts each time you gain an extra star you would get 20 rep points.
This usergroup would be permitted an avatar of 140x140 something which you currently need 10000 posts for.

Emerald Members:
To be in this userrank you must have between 5001 and 10000 posts.
For each extra star you would need 1250 posts and would be rewarded with 25 rep points per star
This usergroup would be permitted an avatar of 150x150 something which you currently need 20,000 posts for.

Platinum Members
To be in this userrank you must have between 10,001 and 20,000 posts.
For each extra star you would need 2500 posts and would be rewarded with 30 rep points per star
This usergroup would get a 150x150 avatar and larger signature options in comparison with the Emerald group, this group would also be able to see who gave reputation.

What if we go over 20,000 posts?
If a member was to reach the 20,000 end limit then they would become a Habbox God and be placed into the Habbox God usergroup which will have a bolded coloured name and all VIP features permanently.

The 'Habbox God' idea needs tweaking. A permanent bolded colour name isnt a good idea. Its one of the reasons why people buy VIP. Also don't give them all the VIP features. Some people enter some competitions to try and win VIP.
If they already have a coloured name and all VIP features permanently, why would they pay to buy donor? Why would try bother with the competitions offering VIP?
Offer some VIP features but not all.

[AgnesIO]

The star idea seems fine, but didn't we put in MORE coloured stars to make it harder to get to the top? :L

I think the idea of starting on gold is alright, but in general I do thin the changing colour of stars is somewhat pointless. Although now to be biased, in my eyes it can only be good I will be platinum soon? lol :L

[Hecktix]

The 'Habbox God' idea needs tweaking. A permanent bolded colour name isnt a good idea. Its one of the reasons why people buy VIP. Also don't give them all the VIP features. Some people enter some competitions to try and win VIP.
If they already have a coloured name and all VIP features permanently, why would they pay to buy donor? Why would try bother with the competitions offering VIP?
Offer some VIP features but not all.

The thing is that only one person (so far) has reached this amount of posts. There are a couple of people nearing it. 20,000 posts is a massive feat and platinum members already have all VIP features apart from usertitle customisability. I like the idea of giving these guys a bolder name (of a particular colour) as a recognition of their efforts put into Habbox. It's kinda like rewarding their loyalty with special VIP, like we have done with the 5 year anniversary VIP. Perhaps this VIP should be limited although I think it's a good thing to give these members as we are giving every other member more, it is only fair that these guys deserve more too.

Obviously this is drawn on only a few figures achieving 'Habbox God' status. Should it become apparent that too many people are achieving the status then perhaps it would be time to change the user rank boundaries. This also happened in the past when it was only plausible to have the original star ranks at lower boundaries, for instance 10,000 was the maximum rank. This then changed when it was needed.

[Cosmic]

I won't quote the whole thing, but Oli I think the ideas for the new user ranks you proposed are brilliant. I think the rep points idea could also be very useful when making newer members feel more welcome.

[Tintinnabulate]

I am not sure how vB4 works, but is it possible to add rep points if they progress to a new usergroup? I dont think it was possible in vB3. Cant remember fully.

[Hecktix]

I am not sure how vB4 works, but is it possible to add rep points if they progress to a new usergroup? I dont think it was possible in vB3. Cant remember fully.

I've spoken with Jamesy and he thinks it's entirely possible to write something which would do it :)
I think this shows what a handy asset James is to Habbox, coding us unique plugins to benefit our members, including the recent background one :)

[Tintinnabulate]

I've spoken with Jamesy and he thinks it's entirely possible to write something which would do it :)
I think this shows what a handy asset James is to Habbox, coding us unique plugins to benefit our members, including the recent background one :)

Ah yes so it will have to be coded. Didnt think it was a feature which already existed in vBulletin.
Considering you guys have started installing some plugins now, what do you think of the idea of me sending you and Garion a list of plugins which already exist and why I think they should be added?

[Hecktix]

Ah yes so it will have to be coded. Didnt think it was a feature which already existed in vBulletin.
Considering you guys have started installing some plugins now, what do you think of the idea of me sending you and Garion a list of plugins which already exist and why I think they should be added?

I'd recommend posting them in feedback to get a view of other users as I am only likely to install plugins if I feel it will benefit a majority of users :)

[ihatehash]

sorry if something like this has been said i cba reading it all but one of the reasons habboxorum is no longer popular is because people are rude. especially to new members and that includes staff being rude aswell. old forum members and staff need to get off their high chairs and remember that if there are no new forum members this site will close down. people need to think about how they word something, and sarcasm is anoher trend I see arising I think mods need to crack down on genrally rude forum members and less on things such as pointless posting.

[Tintinnabulate]

sorry if something like this has been said i cba reading it all but one of the reasons habboxorum is no longer popular is because people are rude. especially to new members and that includes staff being rude aswell. old forum members and staff need to get off their high chairs and remember that if there are no new forum members this site will close down. people need to think about how they word something, and sarcasm is anoher trend I see arising I think mods need to crack down on genrally rude forum members and less on things such as pointless posting.

I agree. I have said before, when I first joined, I never came down to use 'Discuss Anything' as people had taken over it. I only started using it after I was made a Moderator thus forced to Moderate it. Its a fact that new members are scared to speak up against older members as they will just gang up on the new member.

When I came back on my new account, I posted in spam and a member told me to shut up because "I was new and knew nothing". He was obviously an idiot and was warned. If you go in Spam, theres only 5-10 people who post regularly. You don't see anyone else post there as they are terrified of being bullied. Somehow we need to get members using 'Discuss Anything' and 'Spam' more. An idea is to move General more towards the top which might increase activity as it will be seen more. Many new members come just for the Habbo sections and never go below it. If General was on top, more people would notice it. However its a big category and will therefore need to be broken up so it looks nicer at the top.

[immense]

But when I tried to welcome a new member. I posted a thread for them saying they're cool, linked them to the thread, repepd him, got other people to rep him, posted on his page and got him into a convo and made him say himself "he felt famous". I got a user note for targeting members :rolleyes:

[Tintinnabulate]

But when I tried to welcome a new member. I posted a thread for them saying they're cool, linked them to the thread, repepd him, got other people to rep him, posted on his page and got him into a convo and made him say himself "he felt famous". I got a user note for targeting members :rolleyes:

Which ever moderator warned you should be slapped. MattGarner himself replied to the thread and left the user a visitor message. There was no bullying involved.

[Black_Apalachi]

Also, I'd like to think the reason people post on the forum is because they enjoy it, and they like the community. Not to gain all these features

Agreed.

I have nothing against the Star system but I would have thought the most obvious thing would be to just scrap it in order to conform to those new style of user-bars and make everything uniform. One thing I really wish though is that user-bars were ALL stacked vertically.

[xxMATTGxx]

Ah yes so it will have to be coded. Didnt think it was a feature which already existed in vBulletin.
Considering you guys have started installing some plugins now, what do you think of the idea of me sending you and Garion a list of plugins which already exist and why I think they should be added?

I would also be very interested on what sort of plugins you feel that HxF should install. But please do what Oli as asked regarding posting them in feedback! :)


But when I tried to welcome a new member. I posted a thread for them saying they're cool, linked them to the thread, repepd him, got other people to rep him, posted on his page and got him into a convo and made him say himself "he felt famous". I got a user note for targeting members :rolleyes:

I thought you was joking when you posted this, I think it will be wise for you to bring this up with Oli.


Which ever moderator warned you should be slapped. MattGarner himself replied to the thread and left the user a visitor message. There was no bullying involved.

I won't agree with the slapping but yeah I did reply, left the user a visitor message and even gave him some rep because he made me laugh! I wouldn't of called it targeting it all, more welcoming him into the community. From his replies he seemed to of liked the attention? :S Unless I've got this all wrong.

[Hecktix]

I would also be very interested on what sort of plugins you feel that HxF should install. But please do what Oli as asked regarding posting them in feedback! :)



I thought you was joking when you posted this, I think it will be wise for you to bring this up with Oli.



I won't agree with the slapping but yeah I did reply, left the user a visitor message and even gave him some rep because he made me laugh! I wouldn't of called it targeting it all, more welcoming him into the community. From his replies he seemed to of liked the attention? :S Unless I've got this all wrong.

This issue has now been resolved however I will say this, I'm not super-human and I cannot read every PM a moderator sends. If you have a problem with any action taken by any moderator, PM me. I will not (usually) take action from a comment made in feedback, any problems should be addressed to me directly so I can sort them out.

I wasn't online last night very much so I had no idea what this was about when I saw these comments, I can't do anything unless I am contacted so instead of posting here for a quick moan it'd probably be a good idea to actually do something about it.

[jackass]

To be honest, I can't stand any of the current userbars OR stars. :(

I loved the original ones from way back...

[Alkaz]

I like the new ones, a lot more Habboy and fir most skins better. :)

[immense]

No Oli because I replied to the moderator, waited 18 or so hours and even though they had posted way after the PM was sent, they chose not to reply. This wouldn't have been mentioned if it wasn't relevant in this thread. Nobody should be blamed and it's not a criticism but it's the 4th thing that has gone wrong with moderation since my return.

[Hecktix]

No Oli because I replied to the moderator, waited 18 or so hours and even though they had posted way after the PM was sent, they chose not to reply. This wouldn't have been mentioned if it wasn't relevant in this thread. Nobody should be blamed and it's not a criticism but it's the 4th thing that has gone wrong with moderation since my return.

The moderators are fine, they rarely make mistakes and if they do it's corrected within pretty short time. In comparison to past times, the moderation of this forum is considerably better and moderation is not the issue here.

This thread seemed (to me) about improving features for new users, which we have made suggestions about.

[immense]

This thread is amazing, agreed. Lorren should win member of the month and be given a staff role straight away. That was just me replying to your comment directly aimed at me, which was explicitly linked to moderation.

[Hecktix]

This thread is amazing, agreed. Lorren should win member of the month and be given a staff role straight away. That was just me replying to your comment directly aimed at me, which was explicitly linked to moderation.

Fair enough.

And yes, this thread is good. Well done to all those involved in it's creation and I think it's really good for a newer member to post it :)

I just want to repost my idea about user ranks as I'd really appreciate feedback from users before changing everything, just because myself & General Management like an idea doesn't mean you lot will!


Gold Members:
To be in this userrank you must have between 0 and 1000 posts.
For each extra star you need 250 posts and each time you gain an extra star you get 10 rep points.
Obviously I'm not going to go into detail here with the privilidges the member will get, however to make it relevant to the post, I'm going to say that Gold Members will be permitted to have an avatar of 120x120, something which in the current system you would need 2500 posts for.

Ruby Members:
To be in this user rank you must have between 1001 and 2500 posts.
For each extra star you would need 375 posts each time you gain an extra star you get 15 rep points
This usergroup would be permitted an avatar of 130x130 something which you would currently need 5000 posts for.

Sapphire Members:
To be in this user rank you must have between 2501 and 5000 posts
For each extra star you would need 625 posts each time you gain an extra star you would get 20 rep points.
This usergroup would be permitted an avatar of 140x140 something which you currently need 10000 posts for.

Emerald Members:
To be in this userrank you must have between 5001 and 10000 posts.
For each extra star you would need 1250 posts and would be rewarded with 25 rep points per star
This usergroup would be permitted an avatar of 150x150 something which you currently need 20,000 posts for.

Platinum Members
To be in this userrank you must have between 10,001 and 20,000 posts.
For each extra star you would need 2500 posts and would be rewarded with 30 rep points per star
This usergroup would get a 150x150 avatar and larger signature options in comparison with the Emerald group, this group would also be able to see who gave reputation.

What if we go over 20,000 posts?
If a member was to reach the 20,000 end limit then they would become a Habbox God and be placed into the Habbox God usergroup which will have a bolded coloured name and all VIP features permanently.

[jackass]

Fair enough.

And yes, this thread is good. Well done to all those involved in it's creation and I think it's really good for a newer member to post it :)

I just want to repost my idea about user ranks as I'd really appreciate feedback from users before changing everything, just because myself & General Management like an idea doesn't mean you lot will!

I do actually like those ideas, especially the decreased post count for usergroups, and the Habbox God part. :)

It's just a shame that would make me fit into the 'Emerald' star usergroup, which I dislike. :(

[Hecktix]

I do actually like those ideas, especially the decreased post count for usergroups, and the Habbox God part. :)

It's just a shame that would make me fit into the 'Emerald' star usergroup, which I dislike. :(

It would make you post more to get rid of them then :D haha

[hah]

of so you're not getting rid of the **** ugly stars that no one likes and sorta isolates new users?
should be replaced with NICE GOOD LOOKING userbars

[dogboy123]

I agree, you should make some attractive userbars that look nice when users first sign up

[Hecktix]

of so you're not getting rid of the **** ugly stars that no one likes and sorta isolates new users?
should be replaced with NICE GOOD LOOKING userbars

We are keeping the star system but I will look into getting new userbars, how does it isolate new users?

[hah]

well you're hardly gunna fit in when you have **** ugly bronze stars and a small avatar (yes 100x100 is still small)

[Hecktix]

well you're hardly gunna fit in when you have **** ugly bronze stars and a small avatar (yes 100x100 is still small)

Graham, please read my suggestion.

[hah]

please read my answer......was telling you how they may feel isolated

[Hecktix]

please read my answer......was telling you how they may feel isolated

Yes and the suggestion states starting off as a GOLD member with a 120x120 avatar.

[Catzsy]

sorry if something like this has been said i cba reading it all but one of the reasons habboxorum is no longer popular is because people are rude. especially to new members and that includes staff being rude aswell. old forum members and staff need to get off their high chairs and remember that if there are no new forum members this site will close down. people need to think about how they word something, and sarcasm is anoher trend I see arising I think mods need to crack down on genrally rude forum members and less on things such as pointless posting.

Have you got any examples of this because as far as I can see rudeness by anybody to anybody is pretty much cracked down upon. Do you report the posts? I cannot also agree that Habbox is unpopular I do, however, agree that a small minority of members can give new members a rough ride on occasions.

[Matthew]

I agree with the avatars point, but the (optional) removal of post-counts and join-dates seems pointless.
Also, scrapping reputation points would surely not be fair on those who have worked hard to gain a good reputation status (i know you will say 'people dont forum just for reputation', but a lot of requests in the GFX section for example are payed for in +rep, and i bet a lot of people wouldnt bother making someone else a signature if they didnt get anything in return [remember some people cant afford to pay rl money or habbo 'money'])

[jackass]

How about changing the VIP userbars? Donator ones now are good, it's just VIP... :(

[Hecktix]

How about changing the VIP userbars? Donator ones now are good, it's just VIP... :(

It can be looked into as I'm with you in the fact they don't look too nice!

[Alkaz]

Its just the image which is simple to change, if people suggest anything they can be changed quiet easily.

[Martin]

At the time of the userbars being released, didn't some people think an image of a crown would be good? obviously would need a better crown image but something like:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3865423/crownsvip.png

[jackass]

At the time of the userbars being released, didn't some people think an image of a crown would be good? obviously would need a better crown image but something like:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3865423/crownsvip.png

Yeah, maybe that, but not so... mashed. :P

[dogboy123]

Why cant we just have something nice stackable and nice on the eye, like...


http://www.clubhabboforum.net/images/ranks/management.gif
http://www.clubhabboforum.net/images/ranks/yellow.gif
http://www.clubhabboforum.net/images/ranks/members.gif

[Jamesy]

Why cant we just have something nice stackable and nice on the eye, like...


http://www.clubhabboforum.net/images/ranks/management.gif
http://www.clubhabboforum.net/images/ranks/yellow.gif
http://www.clubhabboforum.net/images/ranks/members.gif

I like things like that, and I was quite disapointed when the initial designs put forward by Joe were changed to the current ones.

[Hecktix]

Why cant we just have something nice stackable and nice on the eye, like...


http://www.clubhabboforum.net/images/ranks/management.gif
http://www.clubhabboforum.net/images/ranks/yellow.gif
http://www.clubhabboforum.net/images/ranks/members.gif

Way too much like other forums, we aren't changing the style and we can't it was something set by Jin and I think it's quite an insult to those who made the current ones (which I think are very nice so long as the image within them is nice) to suggest a complete overhaul.

We will change the images though :)

[dogboy123]

I like the ones that there are now, but when you have two usertitles it just looks a mess :(

[Hecktix]

I like the ones that there are now, but when you have two usertitles it just looks a mess :(

I always wanted to look into this but Sam was strict in saying that we should only have one showing, then some other ones started showing anyway!

I'm not entirely sure why some stack vertically and some horizontally but I think it should be looked into and if it's not possible to tidy multiple bars up then restrict it so only one bar can stay.

[HotelUser]

Why cant we just have something nice stackable and nice on the eye, like...


http://www.clubhabboforum.net/images/ranks/management.gif
http://www.clubhabboforum.net/images/ranks/yellow.gif
http://www.clubhabboforum.net/images/ranks/members.gif

I agree with you Ben, I don't see why we can't have nice looking always vertically stacking userbars such as this!

[Martin]

Personally, I would love to be able to display more than one userbar, and for people who are in more than one department it should be allowed somehow! :P Maybe if it was limited to say three stacking or something if possible.

[Jamesy]

Personally, I would love to be able to display more than one userbar, and for people who are in more than one department it should be allowed somehow! :P Maybe if it was limited to say three stacking or something if possible.

I think that was why they are not stacked. You can't limit how many are stacked, and they wouldn't be prioritised if you could.

[immense]

Because Habbox isn't and shouldn't become a clone of other sites. Although, I would like a new skin. On HF, (admittedly a lot smaller) when we got a new skin ratings rocketed and there was a lot more posting, I think only because of the new skin. This was before all three of the owners didn't want to be part of HF any more so god knows what's going on now. I do think one skin is worth it, even if you have to spend money from somewhere! I will give a better reply on the proposed user rank settings another time.

[Tintinnabulate]

Because Habbox isn't and shouldn't become a clone of other sites. Although, I would like a new skin. On HF, (admittedly a lot smaller) when we got a new skin ratings rocketed and there was a lot more posting, I think only because of the new skin. This was before all three of the owners didn't want to be part of HF any more so god knows what's going on now. I do think one skin is worth it, even if you have to spend money from somewhere! I will give a better reply on the proposed user rank settings another time.

There is now a dedicated thread for the user ranks :).

[immense]

Will embrace you with my thoughts in said thread another time sausau.

[Hecktix]

Because Habbox isn't and shouldn't become a clone of other sites. Although, I would like a new skin. On HF, (admittedly a lot smaller) when we got a new skin ratings rocketed and there was a lot more posting, I think only because of the new skin. This was before all three of the owners didn't want to be part of HF any more so god knows what's going on now. I do think one skin is worth it, even if you have to spend money from somewhere! I will give a better reply on the proposed user rank settings another time.

We are looking into a new skin :)

[Alkaz]

Just to add in there about the user bars. The task was set a long time before we first saw them on the forum, it wasn't anyone in particulars fault be to remake them again would take a long time and like Oli said there isn't really a great need for it and it sets Habboxforum apart from the rest of the forums. :)

[Barmi]

Can someone please add a transparent 1px to the right of each of the images then?

[hah]

Way too much like other forums, we aren't changing the style and we can't it was something set by Jin and I think it's quite an insult to those who made the current ones (which I think are very nice so long as the image within them is nice) to suggest a complete overhaul.

We will change the images though :)

but that what people like...... so what if its like other forums......... its better having something nice that people like rather than some 20x20 butt ugly userbar with imaged crammed into them

[Richie]

I'm just going to be straight up with you




Avatars
Sure OK, they're progressive and it could be argued it's an incentive to post and be active to try and get a bigger avatar. In reality, I don't think that's the case. Small avatars look awful, I can't have an avatar that looks good which is annoying but I can't because the size makes them look ridiculous. I don't see why all users can't have the simple 150x150. People aren't going to stop buying donator or become less active because of an avatar.

No.




Arcade
Again, why can't this just be open to all users... I feel it would benefit the forum more. If new users, came on, enjoyed the arcade and were given full access maybe they'd come back again just to use the arcade and even if they make 5 or so posts each time they come on it's still a help. I also think the arcade scores should be wiped, make it more active.

Yes


Reputation
It's really hard to move up the reputation ladder. It's unlikely any other 'new' user would get that much. I think this should either be scrapped entirely. Reputation doesn't make people stay, or at least it shouldn't but it defo puts people off.

No


Join Date
Thinking behind this is maybe if there wasn't proof they were a new user, they wouldn't feel so new. It's not important at all and I don't think this should be displayed when you post. Or at least have the option, if possible for it not to be displayed on the forum.

No


Post count
Seeing as the forum has been open so long some people have mammoth post counts. Again, I think if possible people should be allowed to make it so it doesn't display. Maybe even some of the more active users would do it to not look as addicted.

No


User Rank
The bronze stars are disgusting. Can't these just be replaced with userbars "new user" "loyal member" "legendary". Whatever. I just hate the star system and I think having a horrid star under your name would put you off the forum.
A lot of these are related to the fact the forum is so old. People who are new feel intimidated by the older members, even if they aren't threatening. If people were able to hide there own which are insignificant in comparison then maybe they'd be more inclined to post.

Yes.

[AgnesIO]

Way too much like other forums, we aren't changing the style and we can't it was something set by Jin and I think it's quite an insult to those who made the current ones (which I think are very nice so long as the image within them is nice) to suggest a complete overhaul.

We will change the images though :)

If peope an take good feedback for their work they can take bad. The current userbars are not good lol

[Gibs960]

I hardly ever have a signature because they all look terribly small, they should be bigger, but with a limit :)

[Tintinnabulate]

I hardly ever have a signature because they all look terribly small, they should be bigger, but with a limit :)

Signature is good enough. 700x300 for Donor is very big.

[Blinger$]

*** replying to everything, but i like to display my join date. I feel proud to say that i have been here for a while tbh.

[Barmi]

If peope an take good feedback for their work they can take bad. The current userbars are not good lol
The ugly text doesn't help!


*** replying to everything, but i like to display my join date. I feel proud to say that i have been here for a while tbh.
My join date > your join date. lol.

[Blinger$]

My join date > your join date. lol.

I KNOW! bloody hell... oh well, still... 5 years is a bloody long time!

[Agnostic Bear]

Avatars
Sure OK, they're progressive and it could be argued it's an incentive to post and be active to try and get a bigger avatar. In reality, I don't think that's the case. Small avatars look awful, I can't have an avatar that looks good which is annoying but I can't because the size makes them look ridiculous. I don't see why all users can't have the simple 150x150. People aren't going to stop buying donator or become less active because of an avatar.
Exactly, 1 size for everyone is a good idea here.


Arcade
Again, why can't this just be open to all users... I feel it would benefit the forum more. If new users, came on, enjoyed the arcade and were given full access maybe they'd come back again just to use the arcade and even if they make 5 or so posts each time they come on it's still a help. I also think the arcade scores should be wiped, make it more active.
There could be bandwidth issues here. However if not this is a good idea.


Reputation
It's really hard to move up the reputation ladder. It's unlikely any other 'new' user would get that much. I think this should either be scrapped entirely. Reputation doesn't make people stay, or at least it shouldn't but it defo puts people off.
Exactly, reputation is a stupid system and should go. It frightens off new users and only makes the top users and the people who don't care stay.


Join Date
Thinking behind this is maybe if there wasn't proof they were a new user, they wouldn't feel so new. It's not important at all and I don't think this should be displayed when you post. Or at least have the option, if possible for it not to be displayed on the forum.
Join date should be forcibly hidden in spam, optional everywhere else.


User Rank
The bronze stars are disgusting. Can't these just be replaced with userbars "new user" "loyal member" "legendary". Whatever. I just hate the star system and I think having a horrid star under your name would put you off the forum.
A lot of these are related to the fact the forum is so old. People who are new feel intimidated by the older members, even if they aren't threatening. If people were able to hide there own which are insignificant in comparison then maybe they'd be more inclined to post.
Also agreed here. Force it in spam and possibly the 3 most active forums, make it optional everywhere else.


Anyway, I know these are controversial and I'd be surprised if anyone actually agreed but I think the systems we have at the moment although they work fine they put new members off the forum. If these were changed, I genuinely believe we could attract new people and make them stay. With the merge coming more people will be visiting and if we can make them stay, you'll be laughing!

Your points are all valid and I agree with all of them.

[HotelUser]

Can someone please add a transparent 1px to the right of each of the images then?

This would probably be a good idea.

[Neversoft]

Another idea is to approve new events to the VIP calendar quicker.

[jackass]

This is slightly off-topic, yet still somewhat relevant to the thread, but, the forum recently has been VERY active, with several posts every minute (just click on 'new posts' and see!). :D

[Hecktix]

Another idea is to approve new events to the VIP calendar quicker.

I can't see any that need approving atm?


This is slightly off-topic, yet still somewhat relevant to the thread, but, the forum recently has been VERY active, with several posts every minute (just click on 'new posts' and see!). :D

We've been getting record posts so far this year and we're starting to get 100-120 users online at any one time during peak hours again :D It's good!

[Neversoft]

I can't see any that need approving atm?

I submitted two earlier. :(

[Hecktix]

I submitted two earlier. :(

Will take a look again, I'm not too familiar with the calendar! :)

[Blinger$]

We've been getting record posts so far this year and we're starting to get 100-120 users online at any one time during peak hours again :D It's good!

I cannot wait for more international people to come on. its just dead between 11AM-5/6pm my time. its majorly boring, the only person apart from me who actually posts is bolt! the other few people just like to hang on the index page ;\

[immense]

yeah it has been awesome. so many threads to choose from. although i swear i have posted everything possible.

[AgnesIO]

1,002 posts now Jake - you certainly are a spammer :P

[Tintinnabulate]

1,002 posts now Jake - you certainly are a spammer :P


yeah it has been awesome. so many threads to choose from. although i swear i have posted everything possible.

oh ***** sake, u beat me :'(

[immense]

you were stupid to even compete, i have leah back kinda, lorren, megan trying to get others too :8

[Blinger$]

you were stupid to even compete, i have leah back kinda, lorren, megan trying to get others too :8

That's why i didn't bother.. and this reason


I cannot wait for more international people to come on. its just dead between 11AM-5/6pm my time. its majorly boring, the only person apart from me who actually posts is bolt! the other few people just like to hang on the index page ;\

[Tintinnabulate]

you were stupid to even compete, i have leah back kinda, lorren, megan trying to get others too :8

i was only 500 posts behind :( LOL.

[hah]

can i have the job of approving avatars because some people have god awful ones

[lorren]

can i have the job of approving avatars because some people have god awful ones

i assume i have a decent one (A)