Build help

[dbgtz]

Basically soonish I'm gonna build a pc (via tutorial :P). So basically I have no idea what I need really. I want it fast, large hard drive, looks cool, generally powerful and fail proof I guess. Limit: £650
+rep to all help :D Also what's that site everyone seems to use?

[Jack!]

Ebuyer :)

I reccomend Antec 300 Case, its very nice

Also, do you have any sorft of idea with PC building, you dont really want to break it when building it! Some tuts are a little crap tbh

[dbgtz]

ive got a rough idea
I'm sure I could also look at my current pc in comparison.

[Markeh]

It's not available at Ebuyer, but the Zalman Z7 Plus is a nice looking case, which I prefer compared to the 300.

However, I'd also recommend the NZXT Gamma.

[MattFr]

I got this late last year. Some of the parts probably aren't avaliable/there is probably better for the money, but it's a good starting point if you're stuck.
http://screensnapr.com/u/jf4f4h.png

[Luke]

Ebuyer
http://i47.tinypic.com/34rj9mf.png

Here's mine; haven't put a case on, but if I were you, I'd spend an extra 10-15 and ad the Antec 300 to that ^^ (Available from ebuyer @ http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143854)

Shame RAM costs so mucn now tbh =[

[MattFr]

Ebuyer
http://i47.tinypic.com/34rj9mf.png

Here's mine; haven't put a case on, but if I were you, I'd spend an extra 10-15 and ad the Antec 300 to that ^^ (Available from ebuyer @ http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143854)

Shame RAM costs so mucn now tbh =[
That i5 over a 965? rofl.

[N!ck]

That i5 over a 965? rofl.

I'd definitaly rather an i5 750 over a Phenom 965.

[MattFr]

I'd definitaly rather an i5 750 over a Phenom 965.

my 965 is running at 4ghz stable on air, and it's cheaper.

[Luke]

i5 750 is blue
Phenom II 965 is green
Results are red

Techspot:

Apps:
Microsoft Excel 2007 (lower = > Lg/Sm): 13.14/2.15 11.10/1.44
Phenom II 965 16%/33% = 24.5% faster
WinRAR Compression (lower = > Win7 DVD/720p file): 9.52/42.50 13.44/63.48
i5 750 29%/33% = 31% faster
Adobe Photoshop CS4 (lower = > Smart Blur/Extrude): 47.2/66.3 41.2/66.9
Phenom II 965 13%/-1% = 6% faster

Games:
Unreal Tournament 3 (FPS 1024x768/1920x1200): 268/162 263/164
Tie difference is less than 1%
Street Fighter IV (FPS 1024x768 1920x1200): 236/166 226/167
i5 750 4%/0% = 2% faster
Far Cry 2 (FPS 1024x768 1920x1200): 97/71 88/70
i5 750 9%/2% = 5.5% faster

Anandtech:
Apps:
Adobe Photoshop CS4 (lower = > ): 18.1 21.1
i5 750 = 14% faster
DivX 6.8.5 (lower = > ): 39.4 42.5
i5 750 = 7% faster
x264 HD encode 1st pass (FPS): 72.9 77.7
Phenom II 965 = 6% faster
x264 HD encode 2nd pass (FPS): 21 20.3
i5 750 = 3% faster
Windows media encder 9 x64 (lower = > ) 30 28
Phenom II 965 - 6% faster
3dsmax 9 (higher = > ): 13.4 11.9
i5 750 = 11% faster
Blender 2.48a (lower = better): 59.9 69.5
i5 750 = 14% faster
POV-Ray 3.73 (higher = > ): 2710 2706
Tie difference is less than 1%
Microsoft Excel 2007 (lower = > ): 20.1 23.8
i5 750 = 16% faster
Sony Vegas Pro 8 (lower = > ): 206 238
i5 750 = 13% faster
Sorenson Squeeze: FLV Creation (lower = > ): 127.7 134.6
i5 750 = 5% faster
PAR2 Archive Recovery (lower = > ): 29.7 32.8
i5 750 = 9% faster
WinRAR - Archive Creation (lower = > ) 96.2 105.7
i5 750 = 9% faster
Gaming:
Fallout 3 (FPS): 86.2 87.7
Phenom II 965 = 2% faster
Left 4 Dead (FPS): 130.1 126.1
i5 750 = 3% faster
Crysis Warhead (FPS): 83.3 81.4
i5 750 = 2% faster
Lost Circuits:
Apps:
Caligari TrueSpace 5.1 Vases (lower = > ): 55 63
i5 750 = 13% faster
Caligari TrueSpace 5.1 Ducati (^ same): 157 144
Phenom II 965 = 8% faster
MainConcept H.264 (lower = > ): 50.2 43.68
Phenom II 965 = 13% faster
DVD-Shrink 3.2 (lower = > ): 167 159
Phenom II 965 = 5% faster
Nero 9 Recode (lower = > ): 422 402
Phenom II 965 = 5% faster
V-Dub/DivX 6.8 no SSE4 (lower = > ): 16 15
Phenom II 965 = 6% faster
V-Dub/DivX 6.8 SSE4 (lower = > ): 17 20
i5 750 = 15% faster
DIEP Chess (higher = > ): 863563.4 948604.1
Phenom II 965 = 9% faster
Games:
Unreal Tournament 3 (FPS): 147 139
i5 750 = 5% faster
Devil May Cry 4 (FPS scene 1/2/3/4): 86.36/148.85/80.81/115.46 92.82/126.08/85.19/117.5
Tie difference is less than 1%
Far Cry2 Small Ranch (FPS high/avg/low): 73.49/32.37/21.96 56.96/31.89/22.69
i5 750 22%/1%/-3% = 7% faster
Guru3d:
Apps:
Video transcoding H.264 (lower = > ): 12.92 12.96
Tie difference is less than 1%
Kribi - Sponge Explode (FPS): 7.1 8.8
Phenom II 965 = 19% faster
AES Data Encryption (higher = > ): 21428 24500
Phenom II 965 = 12% faster
Games:
BiA: Hells Highway (FPS 1024x768/1280x1024): 91/83 77/75
i5 750 15%/10% = 12.5% faster
BiA: Hells Highway (FPS 1600x1200/1920x1200): 71/67 70/67
Tie difference is less than 1%
Crysis Warhard (FPS 1024x768/1280x1024): 57/47 54/45
i5 750 5%/4% = 4.5% faster
Crysis Warhard (FPS 1600x1200/1920x1200): 37/34 36/33
i5 750 3%/3% = 3% faster

OverclocksClub
Apps:
Apophysis (lower = > ): 27 21
Phenom II 965 = 22% faster
WinRAR ZIP (lower = > 100mb/500mb): 13/58 11/59
Phenom II 965 15%/-2% = 6.5% faster
WinRAR RAR (lower = > 100mb/500mb): 25/136 22/119
Phenom II 965 12%/12% = 12% faster
Office 2007 Excel (lower = > ): 5.5 8.2
i5 750 = 33% faster
POV Ray 3.7 (higher = > ): 2576 2778
Phenom II 965 = 7% faster
Games:
Far Cry2 (FPS 1280x1024/1680x1050/1920x1200): 65/58/51 69/63/55
Phenom II 965 6%/8%/7% = 7% faster
Crysis Warhead (^ same): 26/20/17 26/21/16
Tie difference is less than 1%
Bioshock (^ same): 166/128/109 156/125/102
i5 750 6%/2%/6% = 5% faster
COD: WAW (^ same): 82/70/59 81/70/60
Tie difference is less than 1%
Dead Space (^ same): 196/156/134 191/160/136
Tie difference is less than 1%
Fallout 3 (^ same): 83/81/78 80/76/75
i5 750 4%/6%/4% = 5% faster
Left 4 Dead (^ same): 118/98/83 117/98/85
Tie difference is less than 1%


Apps:
Handbrake (lower = > ): 217 211
Phenom II 965 = 3% faster
POV-Ray (higher = > ): 2531 2818.54
Phenom II 965 = 10% faster
WinRAR (lower = > 100mb/500mb/1000mb) 10/46/118 8/34/88
Phenom II 965 20%/26%/25% = 24% faster
Games:
Call of Juarez (FPS): 106 102
i5 750 = 4% faster
World in Conflict (FPS): 238 197
i5 750 = 17% faster
Lost Planet (FPS snow/cave) 261/113 280/112
Phenom II 965 7%/-1% = 3% faster
Left 4 Dead (FPS 1280x1024/1680x1050/1920x1200): 127/107/90 126/108/91
i5 750 = 1% faster
Crysis Warhard (FPS ^ same): 47/39/32 47/39/33
Phenom II 965 = 3% faster
Bioshock (^ same): 182/150/118 197/148/122
Phenom II 965 8%/-1%/3% = 3% faster
Far Cry 2 (^ same): 68/60/53 77/68/59
Phenom II 965 12%/12%/10% = 11% faster

Tomshardware:
Apps:
Main Concept 1.6.1 (lower = > ): 1.59 1.57
Phenom II 965 = 1% faster
iTunes v8.2.1.6 (lower = > ): 1.24 1.38
i5 750 = 10% faster
TMPGEnc 4.7 (lower = > DivX/Xvid): 2.07/3.42 2.37/4.06
i5 750 13%/16% = 14.5% faster
Lame 3.98.2 (lower = > ): 1.54 2.14
i5 750 = 28% faster
WinZip 12.1 (lower = > ): 4.57 5.07
i5 750 = 10% faster
WinRAR 3.90 (lower = > ): 1.06 1.26
i5 750 = 16% faster
3ds Max 2009 (lower - > ): 0.32 0.35
i5 750 = 8% faster
AVG Anti-Virus 8.5 (lower = > ): 2.20 2.13
Phenom II 965 = 3% faster
Photoshop CS4 (lower = > ): 2.03 2.51
i5 750 = 19% faster
Bit-Tech:
Apps:
GIMP Image Editing Test (higher = > ): 1197 1070
i5 750 = 11% faster
HandBrake Video Encoding (Higher - > ): 1939 1816
i5 750 = 6% faster
Mutlitasking Test (higher = > ): 1285 1003
i5 750 = 22% faster
Games:
Crysis (FPS avg/min.) 34/27 31/23
i5 750 9%/15% = 12% faster
X3: Terran Condlict 83/40 75/37
i5 750 10%/7% = 8% faster

Totals:
i5 750:
Apps: 337.5% / 24 wins = 14.0625% average lead.
Games: 96.5% / 15 wins = 6.4333% average lead.
Phenom II 965:
Apps: 205% / 18 wins = 11.3889% average lead
Games: 26% / 6 = 4.3333% average lead.
I understand those results can be confusing but you must look at them in this light, which wins the most and by how much? In both Apps and Games the i5 750 wins the most and by the most on average. What does this mean? The i5 750 is faster, even at lower clocks.



http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/272741-10-truth-phenom-updated

[MattFr]

Rofl, someone has too much time on their hands. The AMD, and mobos for the AMD are cheaper. It would be better to get better RAM and a better GPU for the price difference imo.

[N!ck]

At stock they are similar, but with a good cooler it is possible to pust the i5 to around 3.8-4GHz that's around a 50% increase for the i5 and if the 965 is at 4GHz that's around a 17% increase.

[Luke]

The 965 is £10 cheaper and your mobo is £6 cheaper. Ram is the same. So for £16 extra, your gaining performance, and 'future proofing' your PC for longer.

[MattFr]

The 965 is £10 cheaper and your mobo is £6 cheaper. Ram is the same. So for £16 extra, your gaining performance, and 'future proofing' your PC for longer.

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[Luke]

Okay then. 8-)