Labour's farewell note.. along with debts of over £2 trillion

[-:Undertaker:-]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1279242/Labour-Ministers-parting-shot-national-debt-ballons-2trillion.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8688470.stm


Labour delivered a final two-fingered salute to Britain by boasting 'there's no money left' on leaving office, it emerged yesterday as it became clear that the true size of the national debt is more than £2trillion. The new Chief Secretary to the Treasury, Liberal Democrat David Laws, revealed that he arrived at his office to discover a handover note from his Labour predecessor Liam Byrne. It read: 'Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there is no money. Kind regards and good luck!' Traditionally, departing ministers leave detailed and constructive private advice for their successors, whatever their party.
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Experts are warning that 25 per cent spending cuts in most government departments are now necessary - the biggest seen for 65 years. Chancellor George Osborne is preparing to unveil the first tranche, worth £6billion, next week. He will deliver an emergency Budget, which will include tax hikes and spending reductions, on June 22, but will sketch out initial belt-tightening measures on Monday.

Next week's cuts will include curbs on public-sector recruitment, scrapping big civil service bonuses, axing ID cards and major Government IT projects, and renegotiating contracts with 70 suppliers to Whitehall. In an unexpected move, all spending signed off by Labour since January 1 is being reviewed and could be cancelled. That includes £420million committed to dozens of school building projects, a series of costly defence contracts and a £600million computer contract for new personal pensions accounts.

The coalition government yesterday said it was increasingly clear that Gordon Brown had been 'cooking the books' for years by keeping massive liabilities off the nation's balance sheet and publishing wildly optimistic growth forecasts. A new independent watchdog, which will take over the job from the Treasury of predicting the future path of the economy, has been asked to conduct a full-scale audit of the public books to inform next month's Budget. The Office for Budget Responsibility, headed by Sir Alan Budd, a founding member of the Bank of England's monetary policy committee, will end what Mr Osborne described as the 'fictional' forecasts issued by his predecessors.The Conservatives and Liberal Democrats on the other hand are only proposing at the moment £6 billion worth of cuts which is small change compared to a deficiet of something like £180 billion per year. The joke is on ourselves and our families ultimately as we will be paying/suffering for the mess they left office with (as Labour usually do). The debt is expected to be over the £2 trillion mark and its growing every second of the day.

Thoughts, what areas would you cut in public expenditure?

[Alkaz]

There could be spending cuts in literally every department. A while ago at school I was looking through several of the school catalogs and the prices for somethings is just extortionate and because these companies know that they have been recommended to the school by the Government that they will order from them and they will be paid these ridiculous sum. When really if things were done better and left down to the individual school/county councils then a lot of money could be saved that way.

Again about ridiculous things which have been put in place. A few years ago my local council didn't spend their entire annual budget for roads because the work simply didn't need to be done. The following year when work was needed, because they hadn't spend the money from the previous year they got a considerable amount less for when they actually needed it. Now to save it happening again they do unnecessary work just to use the money so they get it again next year. However with his money being 'wasted' there are many other areas which could benefit from a cash injection but councils seem not to be able to do it.

If they really want to make spending cuts then they really good do it down to the smallest things. I doubt that now VAT is going/gone up to 20% it will ever go back down, they will say something about it going down to 15% in the worst economic times ever and eventually we will forget that it was 17.5% and 20% will be the normal. I just hope that this Government really do the country some good.

[Tintinnabulate]

. It read: 'Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there is no money. Kind regards and good luck!'

ROFL. That actually made me laugh. Funny man. I shall be doing a proper reply to this too but just thought I had to post that first.

[Tintinnabulate]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1279242/Labour-Ministers-parting-shot-national-debt-ballons-2trillion.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8688470.stm


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/17/article-1279043-099ED11B000005DC-807_634x458.jpg


The Conservatives and Liberal Democrats on the other hand are only proposing at the moment £6 billion worth of cuts which is small change compared to a deficiet of something like £180 billion per year. The joke is on ourselves and our families ultimately as we will be paying/suffering for the mess they left office with (as Labour usually do). The debt is expected to be over the £2 trillion mark and its growing every second of the day.

Thoughts, what areas would you cut in public expenditure?



£6 billion is still a lot. How do you / UKIP propose to cut more per year? :S

[MattFr]

£6 billion is still a lot. How do you / UKIP propose to cut more per year? :S
Well I thought that would be obvious, you know, since UKIP stand for being out of the EU. £103 billion could be saved pretty easily there.

[Jordy]

I did laugh to be honest, although I suppose he highlights a rather important issue. I don't really think anyone knows the figure for debt, it's not a clear cut thing but I do agree with you, £6 Billion really isn't enough. I'm gonna wait and find out what else they do but my faith in the new government will be diminished soon enough if nothing better is done.

[Grig]

Not going to say anything just one word - epic.

Shows what economic mess the UK is truly in.

[kuzkasate]

Lol saw this on the news yesturday I actually sat there and laughed at the T.V.

Tbh, whats 6 billion going to do?

[Sharon]

Oh wow, I never knew a trillion existed

[Catzsy]

Oh well here we go. All political parties say its a mess when they get in and exagerate. So much for the new progressive government with a new way and new thinking. Will be no different than last time. VAT and Capital Gains tax will go up at the first possible opportunity and they are supposed to be the 'no tax party'. Hope lib-dems keep them to their promises.

[Jordy]

Oh well here we go. All political parties say its a mess when they get in and exagerate. So much for the new progressive government with a new way and new thinking. Will be no different than last time. VAT and Capital Gains tax will go up at the first possible opportunity and they are supposed to be the 'no tax party'. Hope lib-dems keep them to their promises.The Lib Dems are the ones dragging down the Conservatives, I'm not saying the blame should all be put on them, but they're equally or more blameable, Lib Dems admitted themselves they're holding back the Conservatives on some cuts and are behind some of the rises.

[Catzsy]

The Lib Dems are the ones dragging down the Conservatives, I'm not saying the blame should all be put on them, but they're equally or more blameable, Lib Dems admitted themselves they're holding back the Conservatives on some cuts and are behind some of the rises.

Well I have to say that I would be expecting a rise in VAT even if they had a majority. It seems the norm with them. We will have to see how it goes. Is too soon to be too critical about them.

[dbgtz]

rob the banks that will help (obviously I dont mean rob them literally).
Seriously I'm sure they could cut loads of cash quite simply but theyre too scared too because people will argue. For example cut benefits from those who don't need it, like my parents don't need child benefits. That could save a bit if it applied to all types of benefits.

[-:Undertaker:-]

£6 billion is still a lot. How do you / UKIP propose to cut more per year? :S

£130 billion saved for business a year by removing EU regulations.
£9 to £16 billion saved in direct EU funds a year.
£unknown(*) amount saved in removing EU regulations from government which entails police etc.
£10+ billion saved by cutting foreign aid/lowering the amount.
£untold(*) billions saved by drastically cutting the public sector in this country.
+numerous other cuts(*) in areas.

Total (average): £153 billion
(*) figures not included in sum total.


Oh well here we go. All political parties say its a mess when they get in and exagerate. So much for the new progressive government with a new way and new thinking. Will be no different than last time. VAT and Capital Gains tax will go up at the first possible opportunity and they are supposed to be the 'no tax party'. Hope lib-dems keep them to their promises.

It has been Labour telling lies that has been the cause of the problem, they've now found that Brown and Darling moved financial debts/hid them so it was excluded from the debt total in which it appeared as though our debt was around the £800 billion mark when infact its been found to be over £2 trillion. It has also been uncovered that civil servants complained (very rare for that to occur) about massive spends on wasteful projects which Lord Mandelson (former Business secretary) commissioned in the final months leading to the end of Labour government.

VAT is the best solution to raise whilst lowering other taxes but I doubt that will happen under this Conservative/Liberal government because they are pretty much on the same line as the one that has just left office. VAT means that money is spent whereas if you directly tax then it immediately removes money from business and the economy in general. Everytime Labour get into office they leave us in a financial mess and their economic policy for 'growth' can be summed up pretty easily (read it aloud to see the flaw in it);

Spend what you havent got to get yourself out of debt.


Well I have to say that I would be expecting a rise in VAT even if they had a majority. It seems the norm with them. We will have to see how it goes. Is too soon to be too critical about them.

Indeed it does sadly because whenever Labour leave office they seem to leave with massive debts and a generally dire economic situation - yet once the Tories sort the economy out, Labou gain office again and the cycle continues.

[Catzsy]

£130 billion saved for business a year by removing EU regulations.
£9 to £16 billion saved in direct EU funds a year.
£unknown(*) amount saved in removing EU regulations from government which entails police etc.
£10+ billion saved by cutting foreign aid/lowering the amount.
£untold(*) billions saved by drastically cutting the public sector in this country.
+numerous other cuts(*) in areas.


Total (average): £153 billion
(*) figures not included in sum total.



It has been Labour telling lies that has been the cause of the problem, they've now found that Brown and Darling moved financial debts/hid them so it was excluded from the debt total in which it appeared as though our debt was around the £800 billion mark when infact its been found to be over £2 trillion. It has also been uncovered that civil servants complained (very rare for that to occur) about massive spends on wasteful projects which Lord Mandelson (former Business secretary) commissioned in the final months leading to the end of Labour government.



VAT is the best solution to raise whilst lowering other taxes but I doubt that will happen under this Conservative/Liberal government because they are pretty much on the same line as the one that has just left office. VAT means that money is spent whereas if you directly tax then it immediately removes money from business and the economy in general. Everytime Labour get into office they leave us in a financial mess and their economic policy for 'growth' can be summed up pretty easily (read it aloud to see the flaw in it);

Spend what you havent got to get yourself out of debt.



Indeed it does sadly because whenever Labour leave office they seem to leave with massive debts and a generally dire economic situation - yet once the Tories sort the economy out, Labou gain office again and the cycle continues.

Dan you only have their word for that - there is no proof at all. What you choose to believe of course is up to you.
Every new government says the same. For the party of 'no tax' we will see. Also Labour did not plan to raise VAT but we will never know whether their plan would have worked or not now.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Dan you only have their word for that - there is no proof at all. What you choose to believe of course is up to you.
Every new government says the same. For the party of 'no tax' we will see. Also Labour did not plan to raise VAT but we will never know whether their plan would have worked or not now.

Rosie senior civil servants have been the ones who have come out and said this, Labour even left a note on the desk saying all the money had gone - I do not see what more evidence you need to see how economically incompetant they are, were and always have been. Infact to add to this, Labour even said that government spending (money it didnt have) it the way to get out of debt - they, you and I know fully well that you cannot spend your way out of debt with money that you have not got.

This Conservative Party is no conservative party so you will see very little from them, they have already raised taxed on banking sector (one of our biggest sectors) and are planning to hit the taxpayer with a tax bombshell to continue to pay for amazing government waste while they cut a flimsy £6 billion off the deficiet - I mean you couldnt even make it up. The ideal and correct way to go about lowering the deficiet is not only by cutting waste and the public sector but by also raising VAT slightly whilst also at the same time lowering most taxes in general and scrapping the stealth taxes Labour imposed over their 13 year rule (of course Cameron and co will not because they are practically from the same page as Labour itself).

[Catzsy]

Rosie senior civil servants have been the ones who have come out and said this, Labour even left a note on the desk saying all the money had gone - I do not see what more evidence you need to see how economically incompetant they are, were and always have been. Infact to add to this, Labour even said that government spending (money it didnt have) it the way to get out of debt - they, you and I know fully well that you cannot spend your way out of debt with money that you have not got.

This Conservative Party is no conservative party so you will see very little from them, they have already raised taxed on banking sector (one of our biggest sectors) and are planning to hit the taxpayer with a tax bombshell to continue to pay for amazing government waste while they cut a flimsy £6 billion off the deficiet - I mean you couldnt even make it up. The ideal and correct way to go about lowering the deficiet is not only by cutting waste and the public sector but by also raising VAT slightly whilst also at the same time lowering most taxes in general and scrapping the stealth taxes Labour imposed over their 13 year rule (of course Cameron and co will not because they are practically from the same page as Labour itself).

I will do some research on this as you may well be right but I VAT is an insideous tax that effects people on fixed incomes especially pensioners & disabled people. Also retailers will take huge advantage of this as they did the last time. What stealth taxes, Dan ?

[-:Undertaker:-]

I will do some research on this as you may well be right but I VAT is an insideous tax that effects people on fixed incomes especially pensioners & disabled people. Also retailers will take huge advantage of this as they did the last time. What stealth taxes, Dan ?

VAT is a better method of taxation because it is on what you buy in general, so its not automatically removed from your wages like most other taxes and allows business to also profit in turn creates jobs as we know fully well. The retailers will be at a huge advantage(?) and rightly so because it then means they can generate more wealth, employ more people, open more stores and thus they are better off but so is the state because it also then recieves more money via taxation without harming the business.

The stealth taxes (some of them) can be seen on the following links;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-335860/New-Labour-sham-157-stealth-tax-rises.html
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/garbagegate/item2/stealth.htm
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23819493-labour-stealth-taxes-will-rob-pensioners-of-pound-110-a-year.do

[jam666]

I will do some research on this as you may well be right but I VAT is an insideous tax that effects people on fixed incomes especially pensioners & disabled people. Also retailers will take huge advantage of this as they did the last time. What stealth taxes, Dan ?

A rise in VAT is inevitable and to be truthfully honest we have one of the lowest VAT rates in europe as in most other european countrys its at 20% or above. Whilst it may seem unfair, it will affcect EVERYONE regardless of income and is therefore a fair form of tax (as the libdems would say), however im no lib dem and therefore see tax rises as a ridiculous way to control our budget defecit. We have a VERY LARGE public sector and jobs NEED to be cut. You may think this is unfair but these civil servants are NOT making any money for the country and are a drain on resources. therefore a solution to this would be to TRANSFER these jobs to the PRIVATE sector which will mean that very few people will lose their job and that they start contributing to the economy.

[Smits]

Well theres deffinately going to be cuts, but 6 billion isn't enough.

The lib dems wanted to increase tax on richer people, but i doubt the conservatives are going to let that happen, nor do i think it's fair.

[dbgtz]

it isn't labours fault
its our fault (our being society)

alot of noobs vote in the ones who wont do spending cuts and are like "benefits for all" otherwise they wont be voted in. Then theyre too scared to do cuts which piles up and up.

[Starburst..x]

Okay right so the Daily Mail are saying that Labour have left the country in 2 trillion pounds worth of debt, well may I just ask that when the Tories came out of power before Labour came in how much debt did they leave us in? They certainly did not leave the country in a stable position either.
Thats what annoys me about both of these parties, they spend too much time ******** and moaning about one another (just look at the election) and they just love telling us how much the other party has done wrong. It's like listening to children trying to compete with eachother.
How about they man the **** up and try and sort out this mess that they've each claimed to get to try and get us out of countless amount of times. No wonder this years election was a hung parliament, as the public obviously have dwindling faith in either of the two parties.
Furthermore I know it's not something you can sort out over night, which begs the question will it ever go away? even with all these amazing promises they seem to give us?

Oh and I really can see how Liam Byrne left a note saying 'Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there is no money. Kind regards and good luck!'
Do the Daily Mail really think we're all morons?.....Oh wait, don't answer that.

[-:Undertaker:-]

it isn't labours fault
its our fault (our being society)

alot of noobs vote in the ones who wont do spending cuts and are like "benefits for all" otherwise they wont be voted in. Then theyre too scared to do cuts which piles up and up.

Labour do not believe in cuts, they believe in spending what you do not have which makes as much sense as their economic policy which was 'spend more money (which we dont have) to get yourself out of debt - in short that basically means they wanted to spend their way out of debt and anyone with a grasp of common sense would see the gaping flaw in that plan.


Okay right so the Daily Mail are saying that Labour have left the country in 2 trillion pounds worth of debt, well may I just ask that when the Tories came out of power before Labour came in how much debt did they leave us in? They certainly did not leave the country in a stable position either.
Thats what annoys me about both of these parties, they spend too much time ******** and moaning about one another (just look at the election) and they just love telling us how much the other party has done wrong. It's like listening to children trying to compete with eachother.
How about they man the **** up and try and sort out this mess that they've each claimed to get to try and get us out of countless amount of times. No wonder this years election was a hung parliament, as the public obviously have dwindling faith in either of the two parties.
Furthermore I know it's not something you can sort out over night, which begs the question will it ever go away? even with all these amazing promises they seem to give us?

Oh and I really can see how Liam Byrne left a note saying 'Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there is no money. Kind regards and good luck!'
Do the Daily Mail really think we're all morons?.....Oh wait, don't answer that.The Conservatives did not leave a pile of debt worth over £2 trillion when they left office, infact quite the opposite as it is well known that John Major and his Conservative government left the country with good finances when they left office in 1997. The same occured in the 1970s with Labour and it got so bad we had to go with cap in hand to the IMF to bail us out because we were broken as a country, both financially and socially with unrest being caused by the thuggish socialists who wanted more and more power through the unions which were demanding, weekly, that the government pledge to fund pay rises/schemes it could not afford and thus turned to debt to survive.

The question you should be asking is not whether the Daily Mail thinks we are morons as it is only reporting what Liam Byrne wrote, the question should be 'why do people keep voting Labour into office if it leads to financial ruin everytime they end their reign in office?' - now that is a very good question and while the Conservative Party is fundementally lost in its values & ways - we cannot escape the fact that it is Labour who yet again ruined the finances of this country.

[MattFr]

Labour do not believe in cuts, they believe in spending what you do not have which makes as much sense as their economic policy which was 'spend more money (which we dont have) to get yourself out of debt - in short that basically means they wanted to spend their way out of debt and anyone with a grasp of common sense would see the gaping flaw in that plan.

The Conservatives did not leave a pile of debt worth over £2 trillion when they left office, infact quite the opposite as it is well known that John Major and his Conservative government left the country with good finances when they left office in 1997. The same occured in the 1970s with Labour and it got so bad we had to go with cap in hand to the IMF to bail us out because we were broken as a country, both financially and socially with unrest being caused by the thuggish socialists who wanted more and more power through the unions which were demanding, weekly, that the government pledge to fund pay rises/schemes it could not afford and thus turned to debt to survive.

The question you should be asking is not whether the Daily Mail thinks we are morons as it is only reporting what Liam Byrne wrote, the question should be 'why do people keep voting Labour into office if it leads to financial ruin everytime they end their reign in office?' - now that is a very good question and while the Conservative Party is fundementally lost in its values & ways - we cannot escape the fact that it is Labour who yet again ruined the finances of this country.

I would +rep you for this but I'm plagued by this cautioned user badge. Good post.

[Starburst..x]

[SIZE=2] The question you should be asking is not whether the Daily Mail thinks we are morons as it is only reporting what Liam Byrne wrote, the question should be 'why do people keep voting Labour into office if it leads to financial ruin everytime they end their reign in office?' - now that is a very good question and while the Conservative Party is fundementally lost in its values & ways - we cannot escape the fact that it is Labour who yet again ruined the finances of this country.


Exactly, they are only reporting that Liam Byrne did that and this is done by word of mouth, I'm pretty sure that reporter was not there when they found this so called note, and lets remember here The Daily Mail is a tory paper and is often seen to be taken with a pinch of salt, like many papers.

At the end of the day just because this is your opinion it doesn't make it right, and just because you disagree with my opinion it doesn't make what Im saying wrong. Everyone has a different view on politics which is why there are different parties. Just because the tories may provide for you does not mean they provide for everyone else. I know plenty of people in which the years of Thatcher almost ruined them, and in their opinion brought this country to its knees.
People keep voting Labour into power because they are right for them. Furthermore if the tories are such an amazing party why did they not win this election with flying colours and have to pretty much grovel to the lib dems to have a coalition with them!? because people have as much faith in the Labour party as they do the Conservatives. Neither party has managed to pull this country out of financial problems, and they probably never will do. If everyone really wanted this so called change, someone completely new should have been voted in instead of having the same two go round and round making the same old mistakes.

[immense]

Exactly, they are only reporting that Liam Byrne did that and this is done by word of mouth, I'm pretty sure that reporter was not there when they found this so called note, and lets remember here The Daily Mail is a tory paper and is often seen to be taken with a pinch of salt, like many papers.

At the end of the day just because this is your opinion it doesn't make it right, and just because you disagree with my opinion it doesn't make what Im saying wrong. Everyone has a different view on politics which is why there are different parties. Just because the tories may provide for you does not mean they provide for everyone else. I know plenty of people in which the years of Thatcher almost ruined them, and in their opinion brought this country to its knees.
People keep voting Labour into power because they are right for them. Furthermore if the tories are such an amazing party why did they not win this election with flying colours and have to pretty much grovel to the lib dems to have a coalition with them!? because people have as much faith in the Labour party as they do the Conservatives. Neither party has managed to pull this country out of financial problems, and they probably never will do. If everyone really wanted this so called change, someone completely new should have been voted in instead of having the same two go round and round making the same old mistakes.

Fantastic post. Refreshing to know I'm not the only one on the forum that understands all reports with regards to political parties and supposed occurrences have to be taken with a pinch of salt.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Exactly, they are only reporting that Liam Byrne did that and this is done by word of mouth, I'm pretty sure that reporter was not there when they found this so called note, and lets remember here The Daily Mail is a tory paper and is often seen to be taken with a pinch of salt, like many papers.

At the end of the day just because this is your opinion it doesn't make it right, and just because you disagree with my opinion it doesn't make what Im saying wrong. Everyone has a different view on politics which is why there are different parties. Just because the tories may provide for you does not mean they provide for everyone else. I know plenty of people in which the years of Thatcher almost ruined them, and in their opinion brought this country to its knees.
People keep voting Labour into power because they are right for them. Furthermore if the tories are such an amazing party why did they not win this election with flying colours and have to pretty much grovel to the lib dems to have a coalition with them!? because people have as much faith in the Labour party as they do the Conservatives. Neither party has managed to pull this country out of financial problems, and they probably never will do. If everyone really wanted this so called change, someone completely new should have been voted in instead of having the same two go round and round making the same old mistakes.

The Thatcher years improved the entire countries wealth by a large margin with hundreds of businesses being registered everyday, the only people who really lost out under Thatcher as a group were the heavy industry workforce (which were making a loss anyway), the bloated public sector with its non-jobs and the lazy layabouts dependent on the state and its welfare. The country was not brought to its knees under Thatcher so you really do need to re-examine what people are saying to you - infact Thatcher was so successful that Labour actually copied her economic policy (with the exception that Labour spent what they did not have hence why we have ended up with a debt of over £2 trillion). I am not questioning your right to an opinion, I am merely challenging the opinon itself.

The Conservatives were not voted to office this time because they are not conservative and its as simple as that really. The Conservative Party has historically pulled this country out of the financial disasters Labour created (see 1979 for more information) and that is indisputable if you take a look at history and the economic policy. The Daily Mail may be a conservative paper (as are most best selling papers) but unlike the Daily Mirror it actually often critcises the party it officaly supports whereas the Daily Mirror would still support Labour tommorow if the country was on fire. Liam Byrne did say that as he wrote it down on a note and left it on the desk at the Treasury - David Laws (Liberal Democrat) then published it to the media and Liam Byrne was forced to defend his silly little snide joke much to the embaraessment of the Labour Party.

[jam666]

Exactly, they are only reporting that Liam Byrne did that and this is done by word of mouth, I'm pretty sure that reporter was not there when they found this so called note, and lets remember here The Daily Mail is a tory paper and is often seen to be taken with a pinch of salt, like many papers.

At the end of the day just because this is your opinion it doesn't make it right, and just because you disagree with my opinion it doesn't make what Im saying wrong. Everyone has a different view on politics which is why there are different parties. Just because the tories may provide for you does not mean they provide for everyone else. I know plenty of people in which the years of Thatcher almost ruined them, and in their opinion brought this country to its knees.
People keep voting Labour into power because they are right for them. Furthermore if the tories are such an amazing party why did they not win this election with flying colours and have to pretty much grovel to the lib dems to have a coalition with them!? because people have as much faith in the Labour party as they do the Conservatives. Neither party has managed to pull this country out of financial problems, and they probably never will do. If everyone really wanted this so called change, someone completely new should have been voted in instead of having the same two go round and round making the same old mistakes.

Oh deary me, where shall we start?. This is the classic dilusional labour party support who actually thinks thatcher brought this country to its knees. Sorry but your 31 years too late and if you looked at the facts and the events leading up to the 1979 election you will see that the LABOUR party brought this country to its knees in the winter of discontent (google it) therefore your opinion is not valid.

Granted, the conservatives did not win an outright victory but they gained nearly 100 seats, whilst the other two main partys LOST seats. Therefore you can NOT say they lost the election as they clearly did not. What are you drabbling onabout with groveling the the lib dems?. The conservatives could of formed a government without them so they clearly did not grovel and you will see that it was the labour party who tried to cohurst the lib dems into a rainbow alliance simply because they could not accept defeat and wanted to hold on to power for as long as possible (it wouldnt of surprised me if gordon brown superglued himself to the door of Number 10).

People do NOT have any faith what so ever in the labour party and any person who had basic maths and observational skills could see this. LABOUR lost ALOT of seats in the general elections which PROVES people have lost faith in them (i dont know why they had faith in the first place) and therefore LOST the general election. If people had faith they would still be in power but thankfully they are not.

Please look at the facts and you will see that LABOUR has caused this country financial problems throughout history. First in the 1970's and now in the present day. Who was it that fixed the mess they left behind?. It was a Conservative government that cleaned it up and made this country prosper but low and behold they have to do it yet AGAIN. The Conservatives left government in 1997 with one the best debt records this country ahs ever seen, and now look it.