Great British Justice

[Hitman]

A road menace was seen laughing and giggling just moments after he killed a doting father while showing off in a high performance car.
Zaffer Kurshid, 21, had just passed his driving test and was in his brother's powerful Volvo S60 car when he ploughed into Robert Allen at 70mph in a 30mph zone.
The 36-year-old was chasing his dog who had run into a road when Kurshid roared into him at 70mph, catapulting the father-of-one 40 yards into the air.

As the victim lay dying, Kurshid, of Bolton, Greater Manchester, sped off with rap music blaring from the stereo and dumped the 155mph car.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1280818/Driver-giggled-mowing-killing-dog-walker-jailed-years.html#ixzz0oqr0hi1v



NOT. What the **** is wrong with people?

[AgnesIO]

Thankfully, as someone who will be running for the next election (joking), I have a cure.

We need to ram in to that careless **** and 70mph, enough times for him to die. What a ******.

[Caution]

'Zaffer Kurshid' - What's the chances he's British, slim..? Kick him out, or preferably drive into him at high speed several times.

[Jordy]

Some of you make it sound like he's raped a child or something. The laughing is of course despicable and so is the driving off but I'm often seeing people on here go on about how they're going over the speed limit and I'm sure peoples parents do it too. He did not intentionally do it or murder anyone, I'm afraid a guy was stood in the middle of a road from what I can gather and should be more careful, it may of being going 70MPH but cars don't come out of no where, they're incredibly loud.

I think four years is pretty much fair, for his attitude I'd chuck him in for a few more years but I don't see any real issue here. I hope none of you ever end up on a jury :P

[MattFr]

Kurshid, of Bolton, Greater Manchester, sped off with rap music blaring

Call me what you want, but this says it all.

[Jamesy]

'Zaffer Kurshid' - What's the chances he's British, slim..? Kick him out, or preferably drive into him at high speed several times.

I'm not sure what his name or ethnicity has to do with it. I've seen some pretty horrendous drivers on the roads who aren't of foreign descent. I agree with Jordy.

[kuzkasate]

Call me what you want, but this says it all.

True that.. once I was in with a group of friends and some guy stopped in the car thinkin he was bad and was like "YO WHT U LOOKIN AT YO" and before we could say anythin he drove off..

Thats terrible, what he did. He could of atleast stopped. In countries like Afghanistan (I think) for doing something like that, you'll get killed, which tbh is fair. Not only have you killed someone, but you ran away and left him to die? Hope he dies a miserable death in prison.

[Jordy]

True that.. once I was in with a group of friends and some guy stopped in the car thinkin he was bad and was like "YO WHT U LOOKIN AT YO" and before we could say anythin he drove off..

Thats terrible, what he did. He could of atleast stopped. In countries like Afghanistan (I think) for doing something like that, you'll get killed, which tbh is fair. Not only have you killed someone, but you ran away and left him to die? Hope he dies a miserable death in prison.Why on earth would we want to copy anything from Afghanistan? I seriously don't think their justice system is a good model for ours to copy (or anyone elses). I do not think any country in the world would execute someone for going over the speed limit.

Of course he has attitude problems and should of stopped, but the bottom line is, he did not go out intending to kill someone and is not a murderer. He simply went over the speed limit and for some reason someone was in the middle of the road.

[MattFr]

Why on earth would we want to copy anything from Afghanistan? I seriously don't think their justice system is a good model for ours to copy (or anyone elses). I do not think any country in the world would execute someone for going over the speed limit.

Of course he has attitude problems and should of stopped, but the bottom line is, he did not go out intending to kill someone and is not a murderer. He simply went over the speed limit and for some reason someone was in the middle of the road.
What is wrong with you? This sicko drove at 70 in a 30, killed a person, drove off laughing and dumped the car. Can you not see the fundamentally important moral issues here? He killed someone and went off laughing.

This is what's wrong with our country; people like you always find the best in sick little criminals. He's a sick man, he should be executed, get over it.

[Jordy]

What is wrong with you? This sicko drove at 70 in a 30, killed a person, drove off laughing and dumped the car. Can you not see the fundamentally important moral issues here? He killed someone and went off laughing.

This is what's wrong with our country; people like you always find the best in sick little criminals. He's a sick man, he should be executed, get over it.Yeah because I'm against the death penalty for speeding I'm clearly what's wrong with this country. Driving 70 in a 30 zone really is not a major crime, it deserves points on your license and at most a driving ban. Of course however though he killed a man who was in the middle of the road, drove off (possibly laughing, although we don't know this, it could of easily been made up) and lied to the police, hence why he deserves four years in prison and maybe a few more.

How on earth does that deserve execution? You're sick minded and need to learn the ******* justice system.

[MattFr]

Yeah because I'm against the death penalty for speeding I'm clearly what's wrong with this country. Driving 70 in a 30 zone really is not a major crime, it deserves points on your license and at most a driving ban. Of course however though he killed a man who was in the middle of the road, drove off (possibly laughing, although we don't know this, it could of easily been made up) and lied to the police, hence why he deserves four years in prison and maybe a few more.

How on earth does that deserve execution? You're sick minded and need to learn the ******* justice system.
Sorry, let me say it again. He killed someone, of course its a major crime.

I know the justice system and I hate it, and that's my opinion. Do you have a problem with my opinion?

[Jordy]

Sorry, let me say it again. He killed someone, of course its a major crime.

I know the justice system and I hate it, and that's my opinion. Do you have a problem with my opinion?What is wrong with you more to the point? You seriously think someone should be executed for going over the speed limit and then driving off?

[MattFr]

What is wrong with you more to the point? You seriously think someone should be executed for going over the speed limit and then driving off?
You're making me angry. Do you want me to repeat it for the what, 4th time? HE KILLED SOMEONE BECAUSE HE WAS BEING AN IDIOT.

[Jordy]

You're making me angry. Do you want me to repeat it for the what, 4th time? HE KILLED SOMEONE BECAUSE HE WAS BEING AN IDIOT.Does being an idiot deserve the death penalty?

[MattFr]

Does being an idiot deserve the death penalty?

OMG. NO *REMOVED* KILLING SOMEONE DESERVES THE DEATH PENALTY.

Think of the mans children. They have to live the rest of their lives without a dad, all because of some idiot. And this idiot is allowed to walk free after 4 years!? It's madness.

Edited by Nicola (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not be rude to other forum members.

[Jordy]

OMG. NO *REMOVED* KILLING SOMEONE DESERVES THE DEATH PENALTY.

Think of the mans children. They have to live the rest of their lives without a dad, all because of some idiot. And this idiot is allowed to walk free after 4 years!? It's madness.The guy was in the middle of the road. He didn't go out with the intention of killing somebody nor did he intentionally run him over. I actually don't mind people who say one eye for an eye, if he shot him and you were calling for the death penalty, I would still categorically disagree with you but I'd just think fair enough. Except this guy was speeding and a guy was in the middle of the road and you're suggesting he's executed for that. So for a poor attitude and going over the speed limit you wouldn't give him another chance, you'd just dish out to him the worst punishment you could give?

Also post reported, learn to debate properly pal. Go fetch a glass of water and calm down.

[MattFr]

The guy was in the middle of the road. He didn't go out with the intention of killing somebody nor did he intentionally run him over. I actually don't mind people who say one eye for an eye, if he shot him and you were calling for the death penalty, I would still categorically disagree with you but I'd just think fair enough. Except this guy was speeding and a guy was in the middle of the road and you're suggesting he's executed for that. So for a poor attitude and going over the speed limit you wouldn't give him another chance, you'd just dish out to him the worst punishment you could give?

Also post reported, learn to debate properly pal. Go fetch a glass of water and calm down.
I got angry because you twisted and misunderstood my incredibly coherent posting 3 times. As if an infraction phases me anyway.

Ok, lets hit it from a different perspective, our current obviously has low lying fog. Your dad gets hit by a car going at more than double the speed limit and the driver drives off laughing. You don't care. See my point?

[Jordy]

I got angry because you twisted and misunderstood my incredibly coherent posting 3 times. As if an infraction phases me anyway.

Ok, lets hit it from a different perspective, our current obviously has low lying fog. Your dad gets hit by a car going at more than double the speed limit and the driver drives off laughing. You don't care. See my point?Yeah, but he got four years in jail, he wasn't let off. I would most probably be distort if it was my own father and want a much tougher sentence but that'd be completely biased and it's not how the justice system works.

[MattFr]

Yeah, but he got four years in jail, he wasn't let off. I would most probably be distort if it was my own father and want a much tougher sentence but that'd be completely biased and it's not how the justice system works.
4 years for killing someone is light. They're lives are ended, the family's lives are devastated and destroyed and this person gets to walk free after a measly 4 years. I'm not just targeting the justice system here, I'm targeting your complete lack of moral decency. I know how the justice system works, thank you.

[Jordy]

4 years for killing someone is light. They're lives are ended, the family's lives are devastated and destroyed and this person gets to walk free after a measly 4 years. I'm not just targeting the justice system here, I'm targeting your complete lack of moral decency. I know how the justice system works, thank you.It's not your average killing though, the guy was stood in the road from what I can gather, I hate to say it but any not too alert driver could of run him over, perhaps even if they were going the speed limit. 4 years is a rather long time in jail for something quite similar to manslaughter. You can't really take into account the laughing either as there's pretty much no evidence on that. I think a few more years would be fair considering he also drove off but I don't really see an issue here like I said in my original post.

[MattFr]

It's not your average killing though, the guy was stood in the road from what I can gather, I hate to say it but any not too alert driver could of run him over, perhaps even if they were going the speed limit. 4 years is a rather long time in jail for something quite similar to manslaughter. You can't really take into account the laughing either as there's pretty much no evidence on that. I think a few more years would be fair considering he also drove off but I don't really see an issue here like I said in my original post.

I can't see my point getting through to you so I'm gonna stop.

[ifuseekamy]

I'm often seeing people on here go on about how they're going over the speed limit and I'm sure peoples parents do it too.
The kind of people that moan about speed cameras no doubt.

[AgnesIO]

It's not the fact he killed someone I am angry about, heck loads of people get killed from cars, not that speeding is right.

The fact he went off LAUGHING is what makes me sick. He clearly didn't CARE that he killed someoned

[alexxxxx]

It's not the fact he killed someone I am angry about, heck loads of people get killed from cars, not that speeding is right.

The fact he went off LAUGHING is what makes me sick. He clearly didn't CARE that he killed someoned

where's the evidence of that, just a claim.. if you're standing several metres away (7+) you can't really tell.

and the music still on? probably was on before the collision and when in panic, your last thought is 'oh should i turn the music off.'

[AgnesIO]

where's the evidence of that, just a claim.. if you're standing several metres away (7+) you can't really tell.

and the music still on? probably was on before the collision and when in panic, your last thought is 'oh should i turn the music off.'

Clearly it's fast he DROVE off, and if this justice system was right it would be guilty until proven innocent, like i think it is in Scotland

[MattFr]

where's the evidence of that, just a claim.. if you're standing several metres away (7+) you can't really tell.

and the music still on? probably was on before the collision and when in panic, your last thought is 'oh should i turn the music off.'

Wheres the evidence of him not laughing? You're just claiming he didn't laugh due to lack of evidence.

[Hitman]

I am surprised at your response to this Jordy. This man killed another man - it was his fault. He was speeding at over twice the speed limit, ploughed into the man and drove off laughing. 4 years is not enough. I would give 20 years minimum. People make mistakes so maybe life is not adequate, but a long time is for such a crime.

Yes, many people speed - but you are classed as speeding even if it's a couple of MPH over the limit. This guy was doing 70 in a 30 zone. Plus, most people do not run into somebody and then drive off.

No doubt this man will be out within a couple of years and back behind a steering wheel.

[alexxxxx]

Wheres the evidence of him not laughing? You're just claiming he didn't laugh due to lack of evidence.

in a debate/argument you can't say you have to prove something didn't happen. you have to prove that it did happen. :S

[MattFr]

in a debate/argument you can't say you have to prove something didn't happen. you have to prove that it did happen. :S

well I can

[Stephen]

Lol are people really defending a non-english (could of guessed) murderer?

[Jordy]

Lol are people really defending a non-english (could of guessed) murderer?Read the article, he's not a foreigner or a murderer. Plus he's entitled to a fair trial and defence no matter who he is.

The far right never fails to amuse me.

[AgnesIO]

Read the article, he's not a foreigner or a murderer. Plus he's entitled to a fair trial and defence no matter who he is.

The far right never fails to amuse me.

How can he not be a murderer?

[Jordy]

Murder is killing with intent.

Guys none of you even under basic terminology in the British justice system.

[MattFr]

Read the article, he's not a foreigner or a murderer. Plus he's entitled to a fair trial and defence no matter who he is.

The far right never fails to amuse me.

So where do you stand on the political spectrum?

And check his name. He obviously isn't foreign, is he?

[Jordy]

So where do you stand on the political spectrum?

And check his name. He obviously isn't foreign, is he?You can't judge someones race on a name :L

Of course at some point his family will of been "foreign" to the UK but it doesn't mean he is. He's probably spent his whole life in Britain and just has a father of foreign decent.

Political spectrum I'm on the right, quite traditional conservative views, leaning on the right of the Conservative Party and rather close to UKIPs views.

[MattFr]

You can't judge someones race on a name :L

Of course at some point his family will of been "foreign" to the UK but it doesn't mean he is. He's probably spent his whole life in Britain and just has a father of foreign decent.

Well, I can make a pretty decent educated guess on the matter based on his name.



Political spectrum I'm on the right, quite traditional conservative views, leaning on the right of the Conservative Party and rather close to UKIPs views.



The far right never fails to amuse me.

What are you on with?

[Jordy]

Well, I can make a pretty decent educated guess on the matter based on his name.



What are you on with?The right and far right are completely different. You cannot seriously compare the Conservative Party and the BNP for example.

You really can't make an educated guess on someone's nationality from their name, you could guess that members of his family are foreign but that's it. Many people from the Caribbean and India came over in the 50s and 60s and they'll of kept their surname going and will most likely choose names from India and the Caribbean for their children. So you can still get people who are third generation British yet have a "foreign name". Like it or not, we live in a very multi-cultural society, a name is meaningless.

[MattFr]

The right and far right are completely different. You cannot seriously compare the Conservative Party and the BNP for example.

You really can't make an educated guess on someone's nationality from their name, you could guess that members of his family are foreign but that's it. Many people from the Caribbean and India came over in the 50s and 60s and they'll of kept their surname going and will most likely choose names from India and the Caribbean for their children. So you can still get people who are third generation British yet have a "foreign name". Like it or not, we live in a very multi-cultural society, a name is meaningless.
His name is Zaffer. lol.

[alexxxxx]

Clearly it's fast he DROVE off, and if this justice system was right it would be guilty until proven innocent, like i think it is in Scotland

Guilty until proven innocent as a good method of trying someone. oh my god. no chance.

[GommeInc]

Shouldn't be allowed near a car again. Heck, the peasant should be restrained to his house. A thick metal chain oughta do the trick, so it wouldn't cost the government much :P

[-:Undertaker:-]

If it was intentional then the circumstances must be examined properly, however if he was laughing afterwards the presumption that he did it on purpose to a degree must be accepted. The line is fine between the two (murder and manslaughter) and also sounds that the fault partially lays with the man who walked out onto the road without looking. I do think that in the case of murder then the highest sentences should be mandatory (including the death penalty) but the line for unintentional killing is a harder line to draw and should be taken case by case.

The intro given at the start seems as though it was intentional killing in which i'd say anything but a life sentence (meaning full life) is acceptable.

[Swastika]

I fail to see why the daily mail would need to include the information that he was listening to rap music?
It's idiotic papers like this that give the beautiful music of the rap genre a bad name, all because of a useless human being acting like a complete idiot whilst apparently listening to it.

This man is a failure of society, thinking its cool to drive cars around very fast - and look what has happened now?
I hope he has the death of this poor victim on his conscience for the rest of his life.

[GommeInc]

If it was intentional then the circumstances must be examined properly, however if he was laughing afterwards the presumption that he did it on purpose to a degree must be accepted. The line is fine between the two (murder and manslaughter) and also sounds that the fault partially lays with the man who walked out onto the road without looking. I do think that in the case of murder then the highest sentences should be mandatory (including the death penalty) but the line for unintentional killing is a harder line to draw and should be taken case by case.

The intro given at the start seems as though it was intentional killing in which i'd say anything but a life sentence (meaning full life) is acceptable.
It's a strange case. It also suggests he was showing off this "amazing car" (not really amazing, just a Volvo, but that's not the case), so why he would want to intentionally damage his brother's car is beyond rational thinking. Like being given a PS3 and purposely throwing the controller at it, or stuffing games into the blu-ray drive. Indeed, some blame should go towards the victim, even though chucking blame at the dead is considered a bit harsh, especially for any remaining family and friends. However, the speed the driver was doing was pretty dreadful. Yes, speeding at 70mph is "okay" if you don't hit someone, but he did and the speed he was doing sealed the victims fate, and 70mph in a 30mph zone is a helluva lot, so timing between the victim and the incident may of been obscured.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I fail to see why the daily mail would need to include the information that he was listening to rap music?
It's idiotic papers like this that give the beautiful music of the rap genre a bad name, all because of a useless human being acting like a complete idiot whilst apparently listening to it.

This man is a failure of society, thinking its cool to drive cars around very fast - and look what has happened now?
I hope he has the death of this poor victim on his conscience for the rest of his life.

The Daily Mail is reporting what happened, if he was listening to rap music like the paper says then you really cannot try to deny that fact. It also ties in with the suspicions many people have concerning rap music which includes the culture of fast cars, guns, drugs, sex and crime.

[Swastika]

The Daily Mail is reporting what happened, if he was listening to rap music like the paper says then you really cannot try to deny that fact. It also ties in with the suspicions many people have concerning rap music which includes the culture of fast cars, guns, drugs, sex and crime.
Indeed i can see your point of view, but it's not an essential bit of information that the reader needs and, in my opinion, its the daily mail just trying to give the rap music a bad image and reputation - as most people do.
Rap music doesn't just involve MC'ing about guns, drugs, fast cars, women and money neither - most MC's rap about daily struggles and give inspiration to young men growing up in bad areas too. It's like every other type of music genre, it has its cons and its pros but to say its just advertises gun culture etc is not something ill accept.

[Camy]

I think I agree with Jordy on this one.
I don't think the driver set out to murder the man, so I would say 4 years is reasonable. But, I think more time should have been added on, because he drove on and left the man, and because of the extent he went to to cover it up. (The article says he got rid of his phone and sim, and his brother forged a receipt saying the car had been sold earlier on that day.) I think he should also get a life, if not a very long driving ban.
As for the giggling part, I think thats just your typical ******** in newspapers, and should be disregarded as theres no proof.

[ifuseekamy]

Lol are people really defending a non-english (could of guessed) murderer?
If he was an immigrant god knows the Daily Mail would've had it in the headline as well as the article.

[Neversoft]

It is said that a humans life is worth more than every jewel, gold and silver in this world, but I guess the victims life didn't mean much to the killer seeing as how he sped off laughing. Fair enough, he didn't go out with the intention of killing someone, but due to his own foolishness that is what happened. A twelve year old girl has now lost her father forever. This killer has deeply hurt many people and they will be emotionally scarred for life. If it were up to me I would double the sentence, but seeing as it isn't all I can do is hope the killer gets whats coming to him in the future.

[Black_Apalachi]

Some of you make it sound like he's raped a child or something. The laughing is of course despicable and so is the driving off but I'm often seeing people on here go on about how they're going over the speed limit and I'm sure peoples parents do it too. He did not intentionally do it or murder anyone, I'm afraid a guy was stood in the middle of a road from what I can gather and should be more careful, it may of being going 70MPH but cars don't come out of no where, they're incredibly loud.

I think four years is pretty much fair, for his attitude I'd chuck him in for a few more years but I don't see any real issue here. I hope none of you ever end up on a jury :P

Do you know the person or something? I don't see why you're arguing his case so strongly - he's clearly scum and four years is a pathetic insult on the life and family of the man who died.

[Jordy]

Do you know the person or something? I don't see why you're arguing his case so strongly - he's clearly scum and four years is a pathetic insult on the life and family of the man who died.You're blowing things out of proportion, I'm not arguing his case strongly or playing the devils advocate. People were suggesting he should be executed, chucking around that he was foreign and saying that he was a murderer. I could pretty much say the same to you, do you know the guy who died or something? I don't have much of an issue with the sentence, I think it should be a bit longer but the justice system seems to of worked here.

[Wig44.]

Clearly it's fast he DROVE off, and if this justice system was right it would be guilty until proven innocent, like i think it is in Scotland

You obviously don't understand the implications of what you're saying - guilty until proven innocent? No way! What a horrible idea, eurgh.

[GommeInc]

You're blowing things out of proportion, I'm not arguing his case strongly or playing the devils advocate. People were suggesting he should be executed, chucking around that he was foreign and saying that he was a murderer. I could pretty much say the same to you, do you know the guy who died or something? I don't have much of an issue with the sentence, I think it should be a bit longer but the justice system seems to of worked here.
Indeed, but the Daily Mail like to mask justice with stupid comments like "he was playing rap music" and that he was apparently "driving off laughing". Justice worked, the man was proven guilty. If anything, the sentence could be longer. The Justice System worked, it's whether or not the sentence should be longer which is the main question.

[Black_Apalachi]

You're blowing things out of proportion, I'm not arguing his case strongly or playing the devils advocate. People were suggesting he should be executed, chucking around that he was foreign and saying that he was a murderer. I could pretty much say the same to you, do you know the guy who died or something? I don't have much of an issue with the sentence, I think it should be a bit longer but the justice system seems to of worked here.

Execution etc is too far, granted. And of course I don't know the victim but pretty much 100% of the time I'll sympathise with someone in that situation over a little **** who couldn't give a crap about anybody else and doesn't appear to even show any remorse. If this was different and the lad had stopped after killing a man in a 30 zone and got out of his car clearly showing visible emotion and regret, then I would believe that that person understood what he had done and that it would live on his conscience for the rest of his life - which to me is a far worse punishment than anything a court can do. But no, this **** didn't even bat an eyelid.

[Hitman]

Indeed, but the Daily Mail like to mask justice with stupid comments like "he was playing rap music" and that he was apparently "driving off laughing". Justice worked, the man was proven guilty. If anything, the sentence could be longer. The Justice System worked, it's whether or not the sentence should be longer which is the main question.
Indeed it worked to an extent, but it's by no means good or great. Finding the right people of being guilty seems good, but the sentences given out are disgraceful. The 13 year old boy who raped a woman in a park and bragged to her boyfriend got let off because he said 'sorry', paedophiles getting 4 years and such for raping underage girls... assault is dealt with softly. I hear people laughing about community service all the time:- one boy on a bus I was on was gloating to his friend about stabbing a police officer in the arm with a scalpel and he only got community service... to top it off they were saying it's a laugh and the guy who's in charge doesn't care if they mess on their phones.

Excellent, that's really going to make them realise they did wrong and should change. Ah well, if the country wants criminals out early and crappy sentences then they can have them.

I could go on and on all day with examples, it's not just a few cases it happens with. You are correct, the length of the sentence is an issue.