Infraction clearance?

[Firehorse]

I remember a year or two ago there was a clearance of infractions so everyone had the chance to start afresh. Could this be done again? I've got an old and somewhat false infraction sitting on my account from a long time ago which never should have been there in the first place.

Now would be a good time to do this along with all the other changes to the usersystem which have been happening recently.

Thanks!

[immense]

Yeah, surprised this hasn't happened with all new management changes. I thought they would have wanted a new start and to mark their stamp on Habbox with a positive change that will affect a lot of users. I think they should get rid of old usernotes too, regardless of what moderators say about not using old ones. They still take into account the overall amount and use it against you.

[Hecktix]

This is a possibility we may consider in the next few months :)

[hah]

This is a possibility we may consider in the next few months :)

in other words no lol.

think you should init then you would be the best mgmt ever and i could be a mod

[Firehorse]

Also just a quick opinionated question towards the management on the similar topic and other members who may wish to express their opinions:

Do you think it is fair to receive an infraction for reporting someone for an illegal activity (in this case a scam) where you were affected and even at the time had strong evidence to prove it. I can understand receiving one for accusing someone of illegal activities publicly on the forum and with no evidence but when privately reporting an incident to a moderator and then receiving an infraction for that in return is outrageous.

[hah]

Also just a quick opinionated question towards the management on the similar topic and other members who may wish to express their opinions:

Do you think it is fair to receive an infraction for reporting someone for an illegal activity (in this case a scam) where you were affected and even at the time had strong evidence to prove it. I can understand receiving one for accusing someone of illegal activities publicly on the forum and with no evidence but when privately reporting an incident to a moderator and then receiving an infraction for that in return is outrageous.


omg did you really get one for that l o lllllllllllllllllllllllll

also my forums broke

[immense]

Also just a quick opinionated question towards the management on the similar topic and other members who may wish to express their opinions:

Do you think it is fair to receive an infraction for reporting someone for an illegal activity (in this case a scam) where you were affected and even at the time had strong evidence to prove it. I can understand receiving one for accusing someone of illegal activities publicly on the forum and with no evidence but when privately reporting an incident to a moderator and then receiving an infraction for that in return is outrageous.

Are you generally asking or did you get an infraction for that? If so, that is ridiculous.

[Hecktix]

Also just a quick opinionated question towards the management on the similar topic and other members who may wish to express their opinions:

Do you think it is fair to receive an infraction for reporting someone for an illegal activity (in this case a scam) where you were affected and even at the time had strong evidence to prove it. I can understand receiving one for accusing someone of illegal activities publicly on the forum and with no evidence but when privately reporting an incident to a moderator and then receiving an infraction for that in return is outrageous.

The infraction you are talking about was issued in 2008 - we moderate completely differently now to in 2008. The infraction you have on your account means pretty much nothing - it is very old!

We are likely to conduct an infractions clear out and it has popped up several times however we have a couple of things planned that we'd like to execute before doing this.

May I also highlight that any clear out would be of expired infractions only.

[Firehorse]

omg did you really get one for that l o lllllllllllllllllllllllll

also my forums broke

Yup. The moderator who I won't name and is still a staff member today didn't even investigate it, and since another member of a lower level staff was involved I was accused of accusing someone falsely, which in my opinion is very corrupt.

Example: If a police officer breaks the law and then its reported to the high court or something and then they decide that because they are a police officer they are automatically right and the person who reports it ends up being punished instead without an investigation whatsoever.

Edit: I do realise that the infraction is expired but i'm still not happy with how it was handled and that the moderator responsible is still a member of staff.

[xxMATTGxx]

Also just a quick opinionated question towards the management on the similar topic and other members who may wish to express their opinions:

Do you think it is fair to receive an infraction for reporting someone for an illegal activity (in this case a scam) where you were affected and even at the time had strong evidence to prove it. I can understand receiving one for accusing someone of illegal activities publicly on the forum and with no evidence but when privately reporting an incident to a moderator and then receiving an infraction for that in return is outrageous.

You are talking about a warning from 2008? If this is on your account. :S

Edit: Even so, the staff member is no longer part of the Moderation department. I'm hardly going to investigate something what happened in 2008 because they are still staff!

[hah]

The infraction you are talking about was issued in 2008 - we moderate completely differently now to in 2008. The infraction you have on your account means pretty much nothing - it is very old!

We are likely to conduct an infractions clear out and it has popped up several times however we have a couple of things planned that we'd like to execute before doing this.

May I also highlight that any clear out would be of expired infractions only.

booooooooooooooooooooo bring back whoever cleared all them

[Catzsy]

booooooooooooooooooooo bring back whoever cleared all them

It was only expired infractions that were cleared last time. :P

[hah]

could have sworn all mine went

[Grig]

Yeh expired infractions clearings from time to time are always a good idea.

[Firehorse]

Edit: Even so, the staff member is no longer part of the Moderation department. I'm hardly going to investigate something what happened in 2008 because they are still staff!

I don't need an investigation now, i'm just pointing out the corruption which occurred in the recent past, and how the posts which started it all off were removed by somebody. No action at the time was taken against the actual scammer and that was also when I received the warning.

This is simply something which is on my account which I want removed because it is a false accusation against me. The staff member no longer being a part of the moderation department is more reason for its ilegitimacy and for its removal.

[Catzsy]

could have sworn all mine went

A bit of wishful thinking I believe there:P From a personal point of view it would be good at sometime. We will have to wait to see what Oli has instore for us before then.

[Hecktix]

I don't need an investigation now, i'm just pointing out the corruption which occurred in the recent past, and how the posts which started it all off were removed by somebody. No action at the time was taken against the actual scammer and that was also when I received the warning.

This is simply something which is on my account which I want removed because it is a false accusation against me. The staff member no longer being a part of the moderation department is more reason for its ilegitimacy and for its removal.

Recent past? 2008! That's two years. I wouldn't call that recent. And just because a member of staff is no longer part of the moderation department doesn't make all their work for it null and void.

[Black_Apalachi]

Also just a quick opinionated question towards the management on the similar topic and other members who may wish to express their opinions:

Do you think it is fair to receive an infraction for reporting someone for an illegal activity (in this case a scam) where you were affected and even at the time had strong evidence to prove it. I can understand receiving one for accusing someone of illegal activities publicly on the forum and with no evidence but when privately reporting an incident to a moderator and then receiving an infraction for that in return is outrageous.

I can understand why it is not allowed publicly on the forum because even if you think you have strong evidence, chances are it would be easy to fake. I'm not sure what you mean about privately though and anyway as Oli said things are completely different now.

If the last clear-out was only a year ago I don't see the point of another one so soon - kinda makes infractions pointless if the suggestion is that it's likely for them [expired ones] to just be wiped off at any time. But can't complain lol :P

[Hecktix]

I can understand why it is not allowed publicly on the forum because even if you think you have strong evidence, chances are it would be easy to fake. I'm not sure what you mean about privately though and anyway as Oli said things are completely different now.

If the last clear-out was only a year ago I don't see the point of another one so soon - kinda makes infractions pointless if the suggestion is that it's likely for them [expired ones] to just be wiped off at any time. But can't complain lol :P

Think it was 2, maybe 3 years ago Rob :)

[Grig]

MAD did them last time, so I think 2 years yeh.

[Firehorse]

Recent past? 2008! That's two years. I wouldn't call that recent. And just because a member of staff is no longer part of the moderation department doesn't make all their work for it null and void.

Depends how you see time and the reletivity of it, but that varies amoungst people.
May not make their legitimate work null and void but what was always null and void is still left behind.


I can understand why it is not allowed publicly on the forum because even if you think you have strong evidence, chances are it would be easy to fake. I'm not sure what you mean about privately though and anyway as Oli said things are completely different now.

If the last clear-out was only a year ago I don't see the point of another one so soon - kinda makes infractions pointless if the suggestion is that it's likely for them [expired ones] to just be wiped off at any time. But can't complain lol :P

Two years ago since it seems it was obviously before the warning I received.

[Hecktix]

Depends how you see time and the reletivity of it, but that varies amoungst people.
May not make their legitimate work null and void but what was always null and void is still left behind.


As I've said, the infraction means nothing and holds nothing against your account at this moment in time, we have said an expired infractions clearout will be happening in the next few months following several other major changes/events :)

[Firehorse]

As I've said, the infraction means nothing and holds nothing against your account at this moment in time, we have said an expired infractions clearout will be happening in the next few months following several other major changes/events :)

:) I just like to make my points stronger whilst making them

[Richie]

does that mean all usernotes will be gone too

[flatface]

Does reversed infractions come under expired?

[Hecktix]

Does reversed infractions come under expired?

Reversed infractions get deleted upon reversal, as of January 2010 :)

[Black_Apalachi]

Just do it after 24-07-2010 06:51 PM and I'm sound. :P

Also will the Infractions: 2/0 (0) thing disappear off my posts or will it just go to Infractions: 0/0 (0) ? :(

[Hecktix]

Just do it after 24-07-2010 06:51 PM and I'm sound. :P

Also will the Infractions: 2/0 (0) thing disappear off my posts or will it just go to Infractions: 0/0 (0) ? :(

When your infractions expire it will disappear, your infractions won't be removed if they are live.

[Richie]

Oil what bout usernotes?

[Hecktix]

Oil what bout usernotes?

Clearing usernotes would be more difficult logistically as there isn't really a usernote management system, usernotes tend to document the whole history of an account and can be quite useful to have in full. I wouldn't want to see a usernote clearout.

[flatface]

Oh ha news to me, I like it :D

[Richie]

Clearing usernotes would be more difficult logistically as there isn't really a usernote management system, usernotes tend to document the whole history of an account and can be quite useful to have in full. I wouldn't want to see a usernote clearout.


but tht means il always be close to a perm, scam.

[Hecktix]

but tht means il always be close to a perm, scam.

The reason you are close to a perm has nothing to do with your usernotes, if you'd like to know why you can speak to me - although I've told you before.

[Tintinnabulate]

Clearing usernotes would be more difficult logistically as there isn't really a usernote management system, usernotes tend to document the whole history of an account and can be quite useful to have in full. I wouldn't want to see a usernote clearout.

I am sure its been done before though, just saying.

[Hecktix]

I am sure its been done before though.

It was done in 2006 when they changed from usernote system to infraction system, but then all they simply did was "turn off" usernotes as it were.

[Tintinnabulate]

It was done in 2006 when they changed from usernote system to infraction system, but then all they simply did was "turn off" usernotes as it were.

I am sure every user note has been wiped once since 2008.

[Hecktix]

I am sure every user note has been wiped once since 2008.

The usernote system was re-introduced in 2008 and hasn't been touched since.

[immense]

get rid of it i say OR LET US SEE THEM

[jackass]

I've only ever had 1 warning, and it's been there for 2 years. Can this be removed please?

[immense]

never had an infraction/warning :-)

[Blob]

Considering user notes only contain the private message the user receives, which they see anyway, I think they should be able to see their own usernotes.

[Hecktix]

Considering user notes only contain the private message the user receives, which they see anyway, I think they should be able to see their own usernotes.

As you should be aware, usernotes also contain important moderation notes/instructions. It's been discussed multiple times and users will not be seeing their own usernotes.

[Tintinnabulate]

never had an infraction/warning :-)

on any account? ;p

[immense]

yup, never ever.

[Hmmmm]

Neither have I but then I've been registered a few hours ;)

[Nixt]

In my recent department report for the forum I highlighted this as a possibility. I would expect to see it in the near future :).

[immense]

Neither have I but then I've been registered a few hours ;)

lmao at them being permed a few mins after that

[xxMATTGxx]

lmao at them being permed a few mins after that

I thought you would reply with a comment regarding it. :P

[immense]

mwahaha know my humour too well

[Black_Apalachi]

I'd have said it if he didn't >:]


When your infractions expire it will disappear, your infractions won't be removed if they are live.

Oh yeah sorry, I should have said would it stay at 0/0 once they've all expired or just disappear completely. Thanks x