im really confused :S

[Catchy]

er why have i just been told im not allowed a picture of myself in my avatar... I don't see the logic in that yet you have a photography section and a post a pic of yourself thread... what harm is it possibly doing? can someone just explain WHY... it's utterly a pathetic rule, no other fansites do it so why do you do it? :S

[-:Undertaker:-]

I would agree - I thought this rule was being overturned anyway?

[W00TZEH]

Why do you NEED one as your avatar?

[Catchy]

I would agree - I thought this rule was being overturned anyway?

i wouldnt know i havent been on in yonks lol



Why do you NEED one as your avatar?

i want one, is there a problem...

[W00TZEH]

i wouldnt know i havent been on in yonks lol




i want one, is there a problem...
yer, it's against the rules. remove it.


Edited by Catzsy (Forum Super Moderator): Please leave the moderating to the moderators.

[xxMATTGxx]

I do suggest you remove it ASAP if you have already been contacted by a Moderator. It states in the rules that you aren't allowed them.


You are, however, allowed to post pictures of yourself although they are not allowed in your avatar or signature. You may also share your email address and social networking profiles on the forum.

[Catchy]

a mod can do it for me, im not wasting my precious time. i want to know WHY it's against the rules it's a rediculous rule.

[marriott0.01]

I like it :O But unfortunately until they change rules you'll have to remove :'(

[gangstaagent1]

The rule was supposed to be over turned wasn't it ?

[xxMATTGxx]

a mod can do it for me, im not wasting my precious time. i want to know WHY it's against the rules it's a rediculous rule.

It's been against the rules for quite sometime, I'm surprised you have only just noticed. There is a thread in "Feedback Polls" which can be found here:

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=643311

Regarding this rule and asking for users opinions. (Poll included)

[immense]

Most people want the rule scrapped.

[Catchy]

nope i srsly only just realised when roxy told me and i am so confused about it becuz there is a photography section so the login in it cease to exist? can someone explain the rule to me and why it was introduced? :S

[Stryderman]

Its stupid why would you want yourself as your avatar anyway? An avvy imo is something people recognise you for something which identifys you or makes you smile / mean something to you unless your really vain why would you want one as yourself? Thats the way i see it anyway.

Just change it and save yourself an infraction or warning tbh

[marriott0.01]

It's been against the rules for quite sometime, I'm surprised you have only just noticed. There is a thread in "Feedback Polls" which can be found here:

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=643311

Regarding this rule and asking for users opinions. (Poll included)

The poll's now closed... and there was an overwhelming vote for having the rule overturned...

[xxMATTGxx]

The poll's now closed... and there was an overwhelming vote for having the rule overturned...

Ah just noticed. Thanks anyway.

[immense]

Also, this user just said to me on MSN he doesn't want to use HxF any more. I bet a lot of new users get that after their usernotes. I got a user note earlier THREATENING ME WITH A BAN and I have no infractions/warnings on this account. What on Earth is going on?!

[xxMATTGxx]

Also, this user just said to me on MSN he doesn't want to use HxF any more. I bet a lot of new users get that after their usernotes. I got a user note earlier THREATENING ME WITH A BAN and I have no infractions/warnings on this account. What on Earth is going on?!

Jake if you have a problem with one of your usernotes, then you know what to do regarding that. You should contact Oli who is the current Forum Manager. :)

[myke]

The poll's now closed... and there was an overwhelming vote for having the rule overturned...

they did say that the feedback may not effect anything

[Martin]

It's been a rule for ages, and currently still stands as one, which means unfortunately you are going to have to remove it for now. I am sure General/Forum management will issue an update at some point about what decision has been made regarding this rule, but as long as it's still in the forum rules list, then it needs to be acted upon. sorry. Hopefully we will get a firm decision either way soon. :)

[Catchy]

Its stupid why would you want yourself as your avatar anyway? An avvy imo is something people recognise you for something which identifys you or makes you smile / mean something to you unless your really vain why would you want one as yourself? Thats the way i see it anyway.

Just change it and save yourself an infraction or warning tbh

ok first, what identifys you better than your own picture? secondly, correct me if i'm wrong but this is a social networking site? it is like saying, why would you want a picture of yourself on facebook. finally, what is wrong with me wanting my own picture? maybe i am really really vain but it isn't for others to worry about.


The poll's now closed... and there was an overwhelming vote for having the rule overturned...

maybe they should do something about it then lol

[buttons]

ok first, what identifys you better than your own picture? secondly, correct me if i'm wrong but this is a social networking site? it is like saying, why would you want a picture of yourself on facebook. finally, what is wrong with me wanting my own picture? maybe i am really really vain but it isn't for others to worry about.



maybe they should do something about it then lol
well on facebook you pretty much expect to see pictures of them, you don't on a habbo forum. the other forums that let it look unprofessional imo, i'm not bothering to debate it because the majority want to be allowed to but the rule atm is you're not allowed to so you should just take it off :/

[Catchy]

i expect pictures on a habbo forum jen? :S lol, I seriously don't see the issue... and naw i am not putting the effort into changing it myself, they are going to just have to give me a warning and do it for me. and my point was the social side of it jen i was just using fb as an example... they may aswel ban the post a pic of yourself thread too? :S

[xxMATTGxx]

i expect pictures on a habbo forum jen? :S lol, I seriously don't see the issue... and naw i am not putting the effort into changing it myself, they are going to just have to give me a warning and do it for me. and my point was the social side of it jen i was just using fb as an example... they may aswel ban the post a pic of yourself thread too? :S

Then people would say. But they have to click the thread to see the pictures where as if its in avatars and signatures they don't really have a choice. (Not agreeing or disagreeing btw)

[Catchy]

Then people would say. But they have to click the thread to see the pictures where as if its in avatars and signatures they don't really have a choice. (Not agreeing or disagreeing btw)


ok fair point but... its not like its doing any harm? surely people shouldnt even be allowed to use avatars off the web without permission off the owners of the photograph? im not sure on that though cos i dont study law or owt :S

[Samantha$]

i think you all take this forum way too seriously lol...

but if we're actually being serious about this... >_>
someone said "But they have to click the thread to see the pictures where as if its in avatars and signatures they don't really have a choice." well that's the same thing for any picture? :S what if someone doesn't like, say, simon cowell? but someone had simon cowell in their avatar? it goes for any avatar really - they still have to see it either way. so i don't see why the fact they're forced to see a real life picture that they don't want to has anything to do with it. sounds a bit like waffle.

anyways look at buttons avatar? that's a real life picture, maybe not of her, but it still is? actually it could even be her for all we know (eventhough i'm assuming it clearly isn't)

it's rly stupid the no rl pictures rule .. lol.

[Catchy]

i agree sammi lol love u

[buttons]

but if we're actually being serious about this... >_>
someone said "But they have to click the thread to see the pictures where as if its in avatars and signatures they don't really have a choice." well that's the same thing for any picture? :S what if someone doesn't like, say, simon cowell? but someone had simon cowell in their avatar? it goes for any avatar really - they still have to see it either way. so i don't see why the fact they're forced to see a real life picture that they don't want to has anything to do with it. sounds a bit like waffle.

anyways look at buttons avatar? that's a real life picture, maybe not of her, but it still is? actually it could even be her for all we know (eventhough i'm assuming it clearly isn't)

it's rly stupid the no rl pictures rule .. lol.
no mine is a singer, celebrities are different because you're not talking directly to them, i despise lady gaga and i do make judgements on people for their music taste so i see anyone with her as an avatar/sig i automatically assume they're a 12year girl or gay guy who follow the crowd.
that's probably just me but think about if it was someones actual picture. call me shallow but i could not take someone who had a picture of themselves as their avatar seriously, especially if they were unfortunate looking. there's enough bullying as it is on peoples appearances just from posting in the actual thread.
it looks tacky and i personally wouldn't do it but have no problem posting in a thread where it's not solely based on me.

however if everyone wants to put pics of themselves up obviously few others and myself who don't want it to happen might actually get a laugh out of it so why not eh?

[Catchy]

but jen why should you care what other people have their avatar as? lol... if it effects u that much i think you need help

[W00TZEH]

only 1/4 of people who voted in the poll said they would and 3/4 said they wouldn't, so i wouldn't change the rulings :)

If you're that vain you need a pic of you in your av that much i think you need help

[Catchy]

ok tell that to the rest of the world on the internet. the rule is pathetic end of.

[W00TZEH]

Why would I tell that rule to the rest of the internet?

[buttons]

"if it effects u that much i think you need help" - says the one having a tantrum, making a thread to moan about it and refusing to take your picture off? i thnk you're more effected by it than me.

i'm simply saying it won't benefit any members or the forum at all, it looks tacky and professional, not to mention the amount of bullying that'll occur. people are just going to form a little elite club on who's "hot or not" just by juding by pictures, it already happens anyway. i won't care either way, you won't see me making any threads because i don't get my way;)

"the rule is pathetic end of" well maybe if people actually gave a decent argument FOR it rather than not backing it up they may get somewhere lol

[Hecktix]

We have considered changing this rule however after a thread posted recently by users concerned for the safety of themselves and other forum members - asking us to tighten security on the "Post a Picture of You" thread.

When we've just tightened security measures of who can see pictures of our members why would we just go and loosen them up altogether by letting eveyrone show pictures in their avatars.

[Catchy]

LOL unprofessional? well im sorry i didn't realise hxf was 'professional' and tbh jen when did you care about bullying when you're actually a bully yourself? lol im not even being a ***** i am just stating the fact that you are or atleast was.

brb irony is at the door.....

[xxMATTGxx]

LOL unprofessional? well im sorry i didn't realise hxf was 'professional' and tbh jen when did you care about bullying when you're actually a bully yourself? lol im not even being a ***** i am just stating the fact that you are or atleast was.

Even if someone is a bully or not they are still entitled to their opinions. No matter what they may of done in the past.

[Catchy]

yh i am entitled to mine too so we all win

[buttons]

LOL unprofessional? well im sorry i didn't realise hxf was 'professional' and tbh jen when did you care about bullying when you're actually a bully yourself? lol im not even being a ***** i am just stating the fact that you are or atleast was.
well much more "professional" than any other forum atleast which is why i still post here - staff are actually mature:O
yes i'm a bully and yes i'm shallow i've already said, which is why i know people would get bullied and it's therefore not a good idea, i'd be one of them insulting every single person..
there's no irony or hipocrisy i'm not claiming to be nice, i did say on my last post to feel free - it'll give me a laugh.

[Catchy]

:S well the ones who are scared of being bullied, don't put avatars of emselfs up? simples...

[alv4]

Always that I put an avatar of someone famous un moderator says me that is not possible to add picture of myself on avatar.
I don't have a problem with this, but really I think that this rule is unnecessary. :/

[Catzsy]

Also, this user just said to me on MSN he doesn't want to use HxF any more. I bet a lot of new users get that after their usernotes. I got a user note earlier THREATENING ME WITH A BAN and I have no infractions/warnings on this account. What on Earth is going on?!

I am going to start calling you 'half a story' Jake. :P You were given the opportunity of providing further information for this particular thread which you have obviously declined to do. For this particular rulebreak there is no warning or infraction - there never has been and I have been modding since 2005. It goes straight to caution if persisted with.
In respect of the avatar situation I see no difference from allowing it elsewhere on the forum and allowing it in your avatar. If somebody is going to be bullied then they will be in the pictures thread so it is not really an argument against it anymore logically. Any bullying is stamped on there so would be as a matter of course in an avatar, Personally I agree it puts off new members as I have said before as it is almost 'allowed as norm' on most of the other sites. That is just my personal view though.

[dirrty]

yh i am entitled to mine too so we all win
no, you lose as your viewpoint is essentially irrelevant as the rule aint changing.

[Martin]

Always that I put an avatar of someone famous un moderator says me that is not possible to add picture of myself on avatar.
I don't have a problem with this, but really I think that this rule is unnecessary. :/

This would be because moderators cannot always tell whether the picture is a famous person or a picture of the member. If we are unsure of this, then a PM will be sent to clarify, and all it takes is a PM to clear the whole thing up. If it is a picture of the member, then they are given time to change it.


I agree there are pro's and con's for having/not having them, and the debate seems to have gone on for months. Currently it is a rule, and has to be followed.

[Catchy]

no, you lose as your viewpoint is essentially irrelevant as the rule aint changing.


my viewpoint seems to be the actual only logical one. im really not bothered anymore as i wont be returning to hxf again 'cos to be quite fair, i hate most of the people and i hate their rules. cya, it's a shame you hxf loses members over petty rules :(

p.s. close this thread, management obviously don't listen to their members opinions.

[W00TZEH]

my viewpoint seems to be the actual only logical one. im really not bothered anymore as i wont be returning to hxf again 'cos to be quite fair, i hate most of the people and i hate their rules. cya, it's a shame you hxf loses members over petty rules :(

p.s. close this thread, management obviously don't listen to their members opinions.
bye, you won't really be missed. last time you posted properly was 2months ago, even then you made 7posts in 2months. this just looks like something jake told you to do.

[Sharon]

what the hell is that meant to mean :S

I respect Jakes viewpoint infact I agree with it. I don't give one if you don't want to post your picture as your avatar... At least you would have the choice to.

he will be missed :l

[scottish]

It seems rather gay, Gay.

[Niall!]

Thanks for raising this issue, maybe the management will actually put up the damn poll this time.

[Grig]

We've lived fine with this rule for 6 years now, and I'm sure we can continue living fine with it in the future. Probably a numver of factors such a security, looking professional and the fact that the majority of users won't put themselves as their avatars anyway.

[xxMATTGxx]

Thanks for raising this issue, maybe the management will actually put up the damn poll this time.

The poll was added to the feedback thread, if you don't believe me then maybe you should check it out and see for yourself. Notices were put up around the forum asking for users views and their vote.

[Nixt]

my viewpoint seems to be the actual only logical one. im really not bothered anymore as i wont be returning to hxf again 'cos to be quite fair, i hate most of the people and i hate their rules. cya, it's a shame you hxf loses members over petty rules :(

Apparently quite a lot of users don't have as much a problem with our rules as you do. The last month was our busiest in a whole year and we look on track to get even busier. We have been having at least 100 users on during the peak evenings times and often exceed 110 which, given our recent activity problems which we acknowledged, is very good.


p.s. close this thread, management obviously don't listen to their members opinions.

Please check the development announcements forum, I think that negates this comment.


Thanks for raising this issue, maybe the management will actually put up the damn poll this time.
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=643311&page=1 ?

I for one, do not believe there is much of a safety risk toward members who post their pictures and as I highlighted before, we do our utmost to protect our members. Nevertheless it was pointed out by a member and agreed by many others that PAPOY poses a safety risk to our users and therefore the opinions in this thread are massively conflicting with a lot of those posted in Richie's thread regarding safety :S.

Further to this the reason we allow pictures of our users in PAPOY is relatively simple. PAPOY restricts where pictures are posted, is therefore easily moderated and keeps everything nice and simple. People can post their pictures if they choose to do so and elsewhere on the forum it is not a worry what someone looks like or whether or not they have posted a picture or not. I feel that if we abolished the rule the forum would become more cliquey with those who have pictures and those who don't, the attractive members and the, shall we say, less attractive members and people of varying ages. This is easy to monitor in PAPOY where it does already happen. In the case of avatars, this spreads throughout the forum.

Again the argument "well every fansite does it" does not do anything for me. We are Habbox, we are unique and we are different. We appeal to users younger and older alike and I have no desire to further delve the forum into the realms of immaturity by introducing a rule which I (and many others) believe, will do just that.

[Catzsy]

Apparently quite a lot of users don't have as much a problem with our rules as you do. The last month was our busiest in a whole year and we look on track to get even busier. We have been having at least 100 users on during the peak evenings times and often exceed 110 which, given our recent activity problems which we acknowledged, is very good.



Please check the development announcements forum, I think that negates this comment.


http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=643311&page=1 ?

I for one, do not believe there is much of a safety risk toward members who post their pictures and as I highlighted before, we do our utmost to protect our members. Nevertheless it was pointed out by a member and agreed by many others that PAPOY poses a safety risk to our users and therefore the opinions in this thread are massively conflicting with a lot of those posted in Richie's thread regarding safety :S.

Further to this the reason we allow pictures of our users in PAPOY is relatively simple. PAPOY restricts where pictures are posted, is therefore easily moderated and keeps everything nice and simple. People can post their pictures if they choose to do so and elsewhere on the forum it is not a worry what someone looks like or whether or not they have posted a picture or not. I feel that if we abolished the rule the forum would become more cliquey with those who have pictures and those who don't, the attractive members and the, shall we say, less attractive members and people of varying ages. This is easy to monitor in PAPOY where it does already happen. In the case of avatars, this spreads throughout the forum.

Again the argument "well every fansite does it" does not do anything for me. We are Habbox, we are unique and we are different. We appeal to users younger and older alike and I have no desire to further delve the forum into the realms of immaturity by introducing a rule which I (and many others) believe, will do just that.

This is the not the main point of the argument though Garion. The main point is that we put off new members with this rule as I have said before most of the pms asking members to remove pictures of themselves are of new members which is not much of a welcome to them. Also as far as I know, pictures are no longer restricted to Papoy as the rule stands. It simply says that they should not be in their avatars or signatures so it is not necessarily restricted to one forum for moderation purposes which used to be the case.

[lorren]

We've lived fine with this rule for 6 years now, and I'm sure we can continue living fine with it in the future. Probably a numver of factors such a security, looking professional and the fact that the majority of users won't put themselves as their avatars anyway.

the security matter isnt relevant, because theres a post a picture of yourself thread. i dont think it looks not professional, i think hxf are trying to be TOO professional.

[Banana Pancakes]

Apparently quite a lot of users don't have as much a problem with our rules as you do. The last month was our busiest in a whole year and we look on track to get even busier. We have been having at least 100 users on during the peak evenings times and often exceed 110 which, given our recent activity problems which we acknowledged, is very good.



Please check the development announcements forum, I think that negates this comment.


http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=643311&page=1 ?

I for one, do not believe there is much of a safety risk toward members who post their pictures and as I highlighted before, we do our utmost to protect our members. Nevertheless it was pointed out by a member and agreed by many others that PAPOY poses a safety risk to our users and therefore the opinions in this thread are massively conflicting with a lot of those posted in Richie's thread regarding safety :S.

Further to this the reason we allow pictures of our users in PAPOY is relatively simple. PAPOY restricts where pictures are posted, is therefore easily moderated and keeps everything nice and simple. People can post their pictures if they choose to do so and elsewhere on the forum it is not a worry what someone looks like or whether or not they have posted a picture or not. I feel that if we abolished the rule the forum would become more cliquey with those who have pictures and those who don't, the attractive members and the, shall we say, less attractive members and people of varying ages. This is easy to monitor in PAPOY where it does already happen. In the case of avatars, this spreads throughout the forum.

Again the argument "well every fansite does it" does not do anything for me. We are Habbox, we are unique and we are different. We appeal to users younger and older alike and I have no desire to further delve the forum into the realms of immaturity by introducing a rule which I (and many others) believe, will do just that.

Hypothetically, if the rule was overturned it doesn't mean everyone is going to post a picture of themselves as an avatar. If you look in the 'Post a picture of yourself' thread, it's normally the same few people posting pictures of themselves, there's a minority not a majority. I myself wouldn't post a picture of myself as my avatar, I find it unnecessary but if people do want to, I really do not see how it would make the forum immature. It's just like having a picture of you as your facebook profile picture.
If there's a thread, which is perfectly allowed, with people posting pictures of themselves, then there is no reason for this rule still being here.

[Grig]

Well these were the results of the poll;

No, they shouldn't be allowed 12 people, 23.53%
Yes, they should be allowed but I wouldn't do it myself: 22 people, 43.14%
Yes they should be allowed and I will do it myself: 12 people, 23.53%
Indifferent: 5 people 9.80 %


That means options two and four really aren't going to get any benefit from whether they are there or not because let's face it, it would be pointless implementing it if you're not even going to use it. Basically it's is a virtual tie between 1 and 3, which both has 12 people. Therefore, I wouldn't say that it should be implemented just for the benefit of those mere 12 people who voted yes and would actually use it. That is by far not a representation of the forum at all.

That is if we're looking at this from a statistical point of view.

[Black_Apalachi]

I don't think it's safe to assume most people want the rule changed. A few people are saying they do but there are plenty who haven't voiced an opinion either way and I don't believe the poll was open for a sufficient amount of time in order to gain a representative view of people's feelings. For those who compared the self-avatar to the likes of buttons' avatar - the difference is that one is a professional photo of a celebrity while the other is a dull, blurry, eye-sore with a big flash of light in the middle [comment not aimed at member, but merely describing the avatar itself]. If everyone's avatars were of dark gloomy photographs like that, this forum would suck, to put it plainly.

Personally I don't see why a member, just because they are relatively new, gets away with storming in here and breaking a pretty major rule for over 12 hours after being told by multiple moderators and members of management. If a rule is changed for fear of losing the odd new member, think of the rest of us who have accepted the current rules for a much longer period of time and perhaps worry about losing us.

[GommeInc]

I love these comments about Habbox and paedophiles. Common sense would tell you that you do not need to know what someone looks like to have an obsession or decide whether or not to flirt with someone. I should know, I've flirted with half the forum and did not know what they looked like. Heck, you could call it a thrill. Making it so that users do not post avatars may change the likelihood (even though it is highly unlikely anyway), it will not stop it. Besides, if a child is stupid enough to meet someone they do not know, they probably deserve it. Online friendships usually develop with video or audio covnersations, maybe sharing of pictures and Facebook. It's kinda obvious who you're talking to :/