WWDC Discussion

[DaveTaylor]

It's that time of year again when Jobbies stands on stage deliveries a speech, we all go wow for a couple of months til the product comes out and then daily life continues. So this year what is it guys?

iPhone 4G (iPhone HD)?
OS 4.0
iTunes Cloud based? iTunes X
10.6.4
Safari 5
xCode 4?

[Barmi]

Two-tiered MobileMe: free and premium.

Multi-touch trackpad peripheral.

[kk.]

Two-tiered MobileMe: free and premium.

Multi-touch trackpad peripheral.

I thought the latter is pretty much confirmed cus some photos have leaked today which went along with the a news story a while ago?

Any one know if there are gonna be any live streams of the event?

[N!ck]

Something that's not particularly new or revolutionary, yet is very much overpriced, sells well and brings in lots of money.

[Robbie]

iPhone 10000000% as we all know. erm, I'll be (pre) ordering ASAP - sold my 3GS a while ago ready for the announcement. My mate just got £500 on eBay for a used 16gb 3GS. (not unlocked)

[MrPinkPanther]

I want a OSX 10.7 preview.

[xxMATTGxx]

I do wonder If I will like anything this year. I believe Job's said himself he has something special or something or whatever he said. I'm not always a fan of their products due to overpricing or some silly restrictions Apple apply on them. But let the event begin!

[kk.]

iPhone 10000000% as we all know. erm, I'll be (pre) ordering ASAP - sold my 3GS a while ago ready for the announcement. My mate just got £500 on eBay for a used 16gb 3GS. (not unlocked)

Jealous :( I want to be able to upgrade my contract so I can get the new one lol. I'd be more than willing to renew my contract for another 24 months XD

[Robbie]

I always get PAYG anyway - I may get a Simplicty contract this time though.

[Rapidshare]

When is it on? 6 in our time? and any live streams?

[xxMATTGxx]

When is it on? 6 in our time? and any live streams?

Yeah around 6pm our time.

[GommeInc]

Are they planning any new OS X versions, like Snow Leopard/Leopard etc? Would be interesting, they used to do them often with Snow Leopard coming out around a year or so after Leopard (or time just flew fast that year).

Other than that, there doesn't appear to be anything rumoured to be coming. If he has something special, then that would be interesting.

[xxMATTGxx]

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Going over external buttons, volume up and down, mute, front facing camera. Micro-sim tray, Camera with LED flash on back. Bottom has mic, 30 pin connector, and speaker. Top has headphone jack, second mic for noise cancellation and sleep/wake button.

WOW, A BLOODY CAMERA WITH A FLASH?!!?

[Markeh]

HAHA, the iPhone 4 is broken already.

[xxMATTGxx]

"Bigger battery plus A4 processor, 40% more talk time. 7 hours talk time. 6 hours of 3G browsing, 10 hours of WiFi browsing, 10 hours of video. 40 hours of music. 300 hours of standby."

Interesting.

[MrPinkPanther]

Gyroscope <3. Download the SDK tonight methinks.

[GommeInc]

Sounds pretty average so far, bigger battery so those stats were bound to rise. Nothing like LED camera light, that's "new" :P

"Integrated antenna" - say wha? Haven't seen one that sticks out for years, not sure why they mentioned that :P

[kk.]

720p recording at 30fps, not too bad i guess :P

[MrPinkPanther]

Sounds pretty average so far, bigger battery so those stats were bound to rise. Nothing like LED camera light, that's "new" :P

"Integrated antenna" - say wha? Haven't seen one that sticks out for years, not sure why they mentioned that :P

I'm sorry but this is not average. Six-axis motion, faster processor, longer battery life, better camera, HD video and the highest resolution phone on the market by a significant margin.

[GommeInc]

I'm sorry but this is not average. Six-axis motion, faster processor, longer battery life, better camera, HD video and the highest resolution phone on the market by a significant margin.
Meant the battery life, though the six-axis motion is on the HTC Wildfire if it's what I think it is. So not that amazing. The rest is interesting, though you cannot really compare it with anything other than the old iPhone :/

[MrPinkPanther]

six-axis motion is on the HTC Wildfire if it's what I think it is. So not that amazing.
It's not on the Wildfire. Six-axis motion is like WiiMotionPlus where it can see not just its angle but where it is in space. So yes, it is pretty amazing.


though you cannot really compare it with anything other than the old iPhone :/
You could start by comparing it to other smartphones?

I'm no Apple fanboy, I am hoping to buy an Android handset in the next couple of weeks but it really gets on my nerves when people say they don't like Apple products just because they are Apple which, forgive me if I am wrong, seems to be exactly what you are doing.

[GommeInc]

Where :S I didn't say that? I just said it's pretty obvious the battery would rise stats wise by that much, that was figured out ages ago by the plans to enlarge the battery, and you can only really compare the iPhone to another iPhone in terms of performance because the iPhone runs a different OS which will handle things differently. Only hardware can be compared, and the LED light is hardly amazing and the processor really depends on the OS it runs on, like when a Intel Core 2 Duo varies from that on a Mac to a PC.

And I think I'm mistaking six-axis for what Sony called their PS3 controllers, which wasn't as advanced as the Wii remote :P

[xxMATTGxx]

So iPhone OS is now called "iOS 4". Hmm

Tom: New iPhone is basically a HTC Evo, ruined.

[GommeInc]

Ewww, iOS is a crap name.

[kk.]

it is a bit hard to say tbh lol

[Jordy]

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“I’m doing okay — except for these guys who aren’t turning their WiFi off. You know, this is amazing… I grew up with the Jetsons and Star Trek communicators. I grew up dreaming about this stuff…”

Jony: “I did, too — I used to love the optimistic view of the future. And it’s real now, isn’t it?”

OMG APPLE HAVE INVENTED A TOTALLY BRAND NEW AND AWESOME TECHNOLOGY CALLED VIDEO CALLING!!!!!1111

[xxMATTGxx]

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“I’m doing okay — except for these guys who aren’t turning their WiFi off. You know, this is amazing… I grew up with the Jetsons and Star Trek communicators. I grew up dreaming about this stuff…”

Jony: “I did, too — I used to love the optimistic view of the future. And it’s real now, isn’t it?”

OMG APPLE HAVE INVENTED A TOTALLY BRAND NEW AND AWESOME TECHNOLOGY CALLED VIDEO CALLING!!!!!1111

BLOODY HELL. THAT IS AMAZING? THAT IS SUCH NEW TECHNOLOGY. But seriously, I'm disappointed :/

[Jordy]

BLOODY HELL. THAT IS AMAZING? THAT IS SUCH NEW TECHNOLOGY. But seriously, I'm disappointed :/This is better than all the previous video calling devices though because this one only works over Wifi and with other fourth generation iPhones!

[kk.]

stop acting like morons, seriously. It's been done every year with people saying 'OMG ITS SO AWESOME, ITS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE ON ANY OTHER PHONE BLAH BLAH BLAH' no one gives a crap, its about how they do it, and not that any other phone does it. The people in the room take it too seriously by clapping everytime he announces something but not everyone is actually like that.. Because of the resolution, and the increase in data, they have to talk to the operators about data plans etc because it will increase dramatically.

It makes you wonder why they didnt put in the retina display for the iPad though.. lol

[xxMATTGxx]

stop acting like morons, seriously. It's been done every year with people saying 'OMG ITS SO AWESOME, ITS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE ON ANY OTHER PHONE BLAH BLAH BLAH' no one gives a crap, its about how they do it, and not that any other phone does it. The people in the room take it too seriously by clapping everytime he announces something but not everyone is actually like that.. Because of the resolution, and the increase in data, they have to talk to the operators about data plans etc because it will increase dramatically.

It makes you wonder why they didnt put in the retina display for the iPad though.. lol

This phone hardly has anything amazing though. Nothings really changed? I'm disappointed in the whole event. It took too long to talk about this bloody iPhone 4. :/

[MattFr]

This phone hardly has anything amazing though. Nothings really changed? I'm disappointed in the whole event. It took too long to talk about this bloody iPhone 4. :/

Realistically though, no one cares.


Units sold 50 million as of 8 April 2010[5]

[xxMATTGxx]

Realistically though, no one cares.

So I'm not entitled an opinion because Apple have sold 50 million units? Lmao. <_<

[Luke]

So I'm not entitled an opinion because Apple have sold 50 million units? Lmao. <_<

Nah (:

Dad's getting one of these (on vodafone ew.) I'm stuck with my 3GS =[ I shall have to wait till next year. Ah well. Not THAT much change anyways - nothing which will affect me

[MattFr]

So I'm not entitled an opinion because Apple have sold 50 million units? Lmao. <_<

It was merely a generalization of the population. If you tell me where I directly said that, I will happily apologize :)

[xxMATTGxx]

Nah (:

Dad's getting one of these (on vodafone ew.) I'm stuck with my 3GS =[ I shall have to wait till next year. Ah well. Not THAT much change anyways - nothing which will affect me

Lmao


It was merely a generalization of the population. If you tell me where I directly said that, I will happily apologize :)

Your comment about the amount of units sold kind of suggested to me that I wasn't allowed to have a view due them selling well. Anyway, moving on. I wanted more from this keynote, not just the iPhone but other things as well.

[kk.]

This phone hardly has anything amazing though. Nothings really changed? I'm disappointed in the whole event. It took too long to talk about this bloody iPhone 4. :/

nothings hardly changed? How about:

battery life
processor
screen resolution
retina screen
front camera
flash (whilst recording video too)
HD recording
iBooks added with extra features
iMovie created
new visible design
better design for signal inside
digital zoom
multi tasking
gyroscope
iAd incorporated
microsim
separated sound controls
noise cancellation with mic #2
complete redesign

etc etc etc

i dont see how thats not a lot tbh, especially when other companies bring out phones, you dont moan at them for not changing anything.

[Jam]

Any idea on UK pricing? Might camp outside the new Apple in Newcastle if its reasonable.

[GommeInc]

So I'm not entitled an opinion because Apple have sold 50 million units? Lmao. <_<
No, you're not allowed an opinion *slaps* Sit down and shush :P

Nothing new really, just a faster processor. It's basically on par with other phones, now all they need is proper bluetooth. The day an iPhone can connect with the bluetooth devices in all/most cars is the day I die (of shock).

What does better signal inside mean? Have iPhones always been dreadful for signal :S

[MattFr]

What does better signal inside mean? Have iPhones always been dreadful for signal :S
Something can be good and still get better.

[kk.]

Any idea on UK pricing? Might camp outside the new Apple in Newcastle if its reasonable.

nope, although, based on the ipad pricing, i get it to be from $199 - > £161, so likely around the £169 mark. but thats on contract im guessing lol

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No, you're not allowed an opinion *slaps* Sit down and shush :P

Nothing new really, just a faster processor. It's basically on par with other phones, now all they need is proper bluetooth. The day an iPhone can connect with the bluetooth devices in all/most cars is the day I die (of shock).

What does better signal inside mean? Have iPhones always been dreadful for signal :S
there were reports of bad signal everywhere or something, and whilst, iguess apple, blamed the networks, they have tried to do change it so they are definitely not to blame



oh what, thats an awesome feature when was that added?! :P merging posts automatically

[Robbie]

£440 Ready and waiting woo!

[GommeInc]

there were reports of bad signal everywhere or something, and whilst, iguess apple, blamed the networks, they have tried to do change it so they are definitely not to blame
Ah, kinda like what they did with the iPad and WiFi networks where it refused to connect to a few brands and Apple blamed the company not their damn device?

If this is the UK, then it's no doubt just terrible signal full stop :P

[xxMATTGxx]

nothings hardly changed? How about:

battery life
processor
screen resolution
retina screen
front camera
flash (whilst recording video too)
HD recording
iBooks added with extra features
iMovie created
new visible design
better design for signal inside
digital zoom
multi tasking
gyroscope
iAd incorporated
microsim
separated sound controls
noise cancellation with mic #2
complete redesign

etc etc etc

i dont see how thats not a lot tbh, especially when other companies bring out phones, you dont moan at them for not changing anything.

I don't moan at other companies when they bring out new phones because most of them features you have listed are already on other devices. They have brough the iPhone closer to other phones now, at last. People wanted more though and not only the iPhone but other things from this keynote.


No, you're not allowed an opinion *slaps* Sit down and shush :P

Nothing new really, just a faster processor. It's basically on par with other phones, now all they need is proper bluetooth. The day an iPhone can connect with the bluetooth devices in all/most cars is the day I die (of shock).

What does better signal inside mean? Have iPhones always been dreadful for signal :S

There has been reports the iPhone has a bad signal issue due to what its made out of. This is probably why they have done what they did with the aerial thing.


Edit: Some of these things Apple should of had from near the start, but I guess this is how Apple works and don't give what a device needs until the next one. :P

[MrPinkPanther]

Nothing new really, just a faster processor. It's basically on par with other phones, now all they need is proper bluetooth. The day an iPhone can connect with the bluetooth devices in all/most cars is the day I die (of shock).

What does better signal inside mean? Have iPhones always been dreadful for signal :S
The WHOLE structure of the device has changed.

As for the signal the antenna isn't INSIDE the iPhone, it IS the iPhone. Thats why he made a big deal out of it. The steel casing functions as one great big antenna.

[Luke]

Any idea on UK pricing? Might camp outside the new Apple in Newcastle if its reasonable.

WOO. Eldon Square Apple Store ftw (:

[Hiro]

I'm gonna take a guess and say around £550 for the 16gb

[GommeInc]

The WHOLE structure of the device has changed.

As for the signal the antenna isn't INSIDE the iPhone, it IS the iPhone. Thats why he made a big deal out of it. The steel casing functions as one great big antenna.
Seems like alot of effort, though I'm not sure it would have any major benefits, so is it really THAT big a deal? :P Other phones seem to cope quite well with the signal they get.

And the structure may have changed, but then again that means very little :/ It's an underwhelming event really, nothing "new" like with other iPhone releases, it just seems Android is now the OS and the phones it's installed on are what to look out for, for innovation :/

[kk.]

I don't moan at other companies when they bring out new phones because most of them features you have listed are already on other devices. They have brough the iPhone closer to other phones now, at last. People wanted more though and not only the iPhone but other things from this keynote.

Edit: Some of these things Apple should of had from near the start, but I guess this is how Apple works and don't give what a device needs until the next one. :P

but you said you weren't moaning about the features, you said they havent changed much when in fact, they have. If you havent realised, Apple announced its first phone in 2007. Nokia, however, launched their first in 1992. that means that They have had a whopping 15 years extra to develop phone technology, as well as having the industries finest on their side. It has taken apple 3 years to get to roughly the same point, without any background in mobile technology. Ok, you might say that the technology is already their, but that's not how Apple does business. Actually, scrap that, that's not how any company does business. Why would you bring out something which has all the features first time round? If you can sell that a product which has limited specifications, and then those same people will buy the next product which has slightly more things on it, then why not? It's how business works.

[xxMATTGxx]

but you said you weren't moaning about the features, you said they havent changed much when in fact, they have. If you havent realised, Apple announced its first phone in 2007. Nokia, however, launched their first in 1992. that means that They have had a whopping 15 years extra to develop phone technology, as well as having the industries finest on their side. It has taken apple 3 years to get to roughly the same point, without any background in mobile technology. Ok, you might say that the technology is already their, but that's not how Apple does business. Actually, scrap that, that's not how any company does business. Why would you bring out something which has all the features first time round? If you can sell that a product which has limited specifications, and then those same people will buy the next product which has slightly more things on it, then why not? It's how business works.

I'm saying I'm not impressed of the new iPhone. I think basic things like camera and flash and what not should of been on the 1st/2nd iPhone at least. Yeah Nokia released their first in 1992, but Apple released there's in a world with advance technology. I suppose the device does look nice looking at the Apple website, but I feel there should of been something else.

[Jam]

WOO. Eldon Square Apple Store ftw (:

Its massive for the amount of products they sell. You going to wait outside for it?


I'm gonna take a guess and say around £550 for the 16gb

Don't think they've been that high since the first, bloody hope not aswell.

[Latour]

Sucks, Canada doesn't get it when the USA, UK, France, Germany and Japan do. ;'(

I'm probably sold on it tbh, I was debating between an Android phone or the new iPhone, but there aren't that many Android phones in Canada (looking at you, Droid Incredible...) so I'm most likely going iPhone.

It's nothing spectacular in my opinion, but it'll beat my moto razr :)

[xInternat]

Apple have seriously failed with this product. It's got technology that's been available since a decade ago and they're only just adding it into their device. Furthermore, it's only available WiFi only. For that you may aswell sit at a computer with a webcam and do it for free?.. It truley is pointless.. As for the book app.. Buy a book, it'd probs last longer anyway.

Yes, i'm new here, yes first post but trust me, i'm known.

[kk.]

I'm saying I'm not impressed of the new iPhone. I think basic things like camera and flash and what not should of been on the 1st/2nd iPhone at least. Yeah Nokia released their first in 1992, but Apple released there's in a world with advance technology. I suppose the device does look nice looking at the Apple website, but I feel there should of been something else.

well what do you expect when you say:

Nothings really changed?

what am i meant to gather from that? that youre not impressed with the new iphone? because clearly this means that.. no sorry, it means you don think they announced much.. as i said before, its how business works, why release something when people are happy to buy the first generation. Its pretty simple tactics, and is just a different form of price skimming (when some people are willing to pay more and when that demand dies down, you lower the price again and again)



Its massive for the amount of products they sell. You going to wait outside for it?
XD they always are! when i went to (one of?) the london store(s), it was massive-ly empty. was crazy lmao

[GommeInc]

I'm saying I'm not impressed of the new iPhone. I think basic things like camera and flash and what not should of been on the 1st/2nd iPhone at least. Yeah Nokia released their first in 1992, but Apple released there's in a world with advance technology. I suppose the device does look nice looking at the Apple website, but I feel there should of been something else.
It's not that impressive seeing that rival phone companies are now on-par, if not better than the iPhone. And Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Motorola and so forth have always connected with each other, while the iPhone plays the lonely group that only play with each other.

EDIT: Or with what their mother, Apple, tells them to do :P

[Luke]

Its massive for the amount of products they sell. You going to wait outside for it?

It is, they've got like 3 tables with macbook pros on :L
And I'm not sure, gonna have to check my current contract, see if I can upgrade (if it's like £200 i will)

[kk.]

Apple have seriously failed with this product. It's got technology that's been available since a decade ago and they're only just adding it into their device. Furthermore, it's only available WiFi only. For that you may aswell sit at a computer with a webcam and do it for free?.. It truley is pointless.. As for the book app.. Buy a book, it'd probs last longer anyway.

Yes, i'm new here, yes first post but trust me, i'm known.

see above post about first bit and about the wifi part, i have mentioned it before, but ill say again. It says only available on wifi currently. the monumental amount of strain being able to video chat would probably bring down even the biggest of 3G networks

[StefanWolves]

see above post about first bit and about the wifi part, i have mentioned it before, but ill say again. It says only available on wifi currently. the monumental amount of strain being able to video chat would probably bring down even the biggest of 3G networks

I dont see how people can be dissapointed with whats been announced. I wasnt expecting HD and half the stuff the mentioned. I am actually very impressed.

IMO its the same old people spewing the same old 'z0mggg this is old stuffz'. Rrally, HD on a phone? Free video calling iphone to iphone?

Im sold on this, im pre ordering.

[kk.]

I dont see how people can be dissapointed with whats been announced. I wasnt expecting HD and half the stuff the mentioned. I am actually very impressed.

IMO its the same old people spewing the same old 'z0mggg this is old stuffz'. Rrally, HD on a phone? Free video calling iphone to iphone?

Im sold on this, im pre ordering.
exactly. and im pretty sure it is the same people tbh. Actually, its kinda like console wars but its Apple Vs Everyone else, yet its only Everyone else who is picking fault lol

[xInternat]

exactly. and im pretty sure it is the same people tbh. Actually, its kinda like console wars but its Apple Vs Everyone else, yet its only Everyone else who is picking fault lol


I'm an apple fanatic, like seriously. But this is honestly a joke. Like the iPad.. Ooh, Steve Jobs got a steamroller and ran over and iPod Touch.

In my eyes.. It's quite a joke

[Luke]

I'm pretty sure the iPad ISN'T a 'flattened' iPod touch ;)

[xInternat]

I'm pretty sure it's not far from :P

[Jordy]

I dont see how people can be dissapointed with whats been announced. I wasnt expecting HD and half the stuff the mentioned. I am actually very impressed.

IMO its the same old people spewing the same old 'z0mggg this is old stuffz'. Rrally, HD on a phone? Free video calling iphone to iphone?

Im sold on this, im pre ordering.Well you weren't really looking into predictions then. A camera on the front and HD were widely expected. It may well be the same people spewing the same old stuff but the bottom line is, they're not new features and there's a ridiculous amount of hyperbole surrounding it. Steve Jobs could probably push out an iCrap and people would applaud.

[xInternat]

Well you weren't really looking into predictions then. A camera on the front and HD were widely expected. It may well be the same people spewing the same old stuff but the bottom line is, they're not new features and there's a ridiculous amount of hyperbole surrounding it. Steve Jobs could probably push out an iCrap and people would applaud.


That made my day!

[StefanWolves]

I'm an apple fanatic, like seriously. But this is honestly a joke. Like the iPad.. Ooh, Steve Jobs got a steamroller and ran over and iPod Touch.

In my eyes.. It's quite a joke

I agree with the iPad, but have you actually seen the new iPhone? Its a juge update, 1ghz processor???? 5MP camera???? HD recoring. Free iPhone to
iPhone video calling, hugely improved screen, able to create movies with your HD video right on the iPhone.

[xInternat]

I agree with the iPad, but have you actually seen the new iPhone? Its a juge update, 1ghz processor???? 5MP camera???? HD recoring. Free iPhone to
iPhone video calling, hugely improved screen, able to create movies with your HD video right on the iPhone.

You mean the processor that they have to actually MAKE SURE that their logo is on it so that when it breaks, you know exactly where to return it to? :]

[StefanWolves]

Well you weren't really looking into predictions then. A camera on the front and HD were widely expected. It may well be the same people spewing the same old stuff but the bottom line is, they're not new features and there's a ridiculous amount of hyperbole surrounding it. Steve Jobs could probably push out an iCrap and people would applaud.
No. Its people like you who create the negativeness because your Anti-Apple. Cant you just admit that thise device is a very good upgrade on the last?

And YES i heard the RUMOURS. Why should i believe rumours? I never actually thought we would get HD.

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You mean the processor that they have to actually MAKE SURE that their logo is on it so that when it breaks, you know exactly where to return it to? :]

Wht? Sorry who are you? Why are you postig crap? At least post constructively.

[xInternat]

No. Its people like you who create the negativeness because your Anti-Apple. Cant you just admit that thise device is a very good upgrade on the last?

And YES i heard the RUMOURS. Why should i believe rumours? I never actually thought we would get HD.

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Wht? Sorry who are you? Why are you postig crap? At least post constructively.


Hi, I'm Nat. I'm an apple fanatic, recently i've been outraged by Steve Jobs' new products. I'm deeply upset by how dated some of his stuff actually is.. "Wow, video calling all new feature".. Sorry Steve, I had a phone back in 01 that could do that.. WOW, All new HD.. realising that now everything is becoming 3D are we?... He's living in the past.
Anything else?

[StefanWolves]

Hi, I'm Nat. I'm an apple fanatic, recently i've been outraged by Steve Jobs' new products. I'm deeply upset by how dated some of his stuff actually is.. "Wow, video calling all new feature".. Sorry Steve, I had a phone back in 01 that could do that.. WOW, All new HD.. realising that now everything is becoming 3D are we?... He's living in the past.
Anything else?

Hi I am Stefan. And to be quite honest I am astounded that you expected 3D on a phonw before it has even been brought to the masses? 3D on a phone would be as useful as a my dog using a knife and fork.

Conversation ends their.

[Jordy]

No. Its people like you who create the negativeness because your Anti-Apple. Cant you just admit that thise device is a very good upgrade on the last?

And YES i heard the RUMOURS. Why should i believe rumours? I never actually thought we would get HD.If you don't read the rumours then how can you know what to expect? "I wasnt expecting HD and half the stuff the mentioned" - The rumours are pretty accurate in predicting the iPad and most iPhone features in the past so they can hardly come as a surprise.

I'm not Anti-Apple at all, I'm anti-hyperbole and anti-apple fanboys. I was very negative of the iPad and will continue to be until someone tells me how it does anything more than an iPod Touch (and i'm talking more than just "well it has a bigger screen" or "oh it has a sim card"). I think the additional battery life for example is a welcome addition, all smartphones suffer in this area. I also look forward to iOS4, the categories will be very useful for my 64GB iPod Touch (I do own Apple products :P). The processor will no doubt be a good thing too.

I've little faith in the camera though, the iPhone camera has never been particularly amazing in the past, the one on the 3GS is good but nothing to shout about. HD Recordings aren't up to much though, the HTC EVO 4G has 720p recording (HD) but after watching some videos made on it they're nothing to shout about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U8kAU4XRlM

I'm sure the iPhone 4G will be exactly the same, it won't be any better at recording than other devices and the HD label is just to lure people in. The video calling really isn't anything new or revolutionary nor is a book store for the iPhone, Amazon Kindle has had an iPhone app for books for ages now.

[kk.]

can i just say that the rumours were 'HD' screen, an OLED. not HD recording.. at least thats what i thought*

[GommeInc]

I agree with the iPad, but have you actually seen the new iPhone? Its a juge update, 1ghz processor???? 5MP camera???? HD recoring. Free iPhone to
iPhone video calling, hugely improved screen, able to create movies with your HD video right on the iPhone.

1GHz processor? Been around for a long time. 5MP camera? Loads already have that. HD recording? Is around. free iPhone to iPhone calling? It's WiFi, if it wasn't free it'd be stupid. Improved screen isn't that impressive :/

I blame the hype, not Apple, though they do not help :/

[Recursion]

Really can't be arsed to read the whole thread but basically here's my opinions:

- There is such a thing as too thin my Desire is too thin, let alone the new iPhone which is 2mm thinner than my Desire
- Big woop, the camera is the same as my current phone, will even have 720p recording when FroYo is released
- Still the same old "moderated" app store
- No 4G? Would have thought they'd put this in, even without a huge market for it outside the USA
- LED flash is a bit of a let down, even if most phones come with it
- Oh god, iOS is going to other devices?!
- iBooks... meh, Kindle reader ftw
- Still as closed as ever
- Not "proper" multitasking, when I multitask I want the app to continue running, not go into a weird "paused" state
- I was lol'ing at the problems Jobs was having with their WiFi, stop using Apple basestations guys LoL
- Guitar Hero was on Android since release of paid apps, GH is old hat on mobile devices
- LOL Farmville, what **.
- Since when was a glass screen and wireless antennas (OMG!!11111111!1) a feature?
- Same crap price for us UK users I reckon
- Nothing about their new game center? Wth?
- Didn't like how they represented Android vs iPhone OS, like that isn't biased at all
- Love the new design though

As I say, just my opinions, I kinda think it's just a rebranded HTC Evo :/

[xxMATTGxx]

can i just say that the rumours were 'HD' screen, an OLED. not HD recording..

I'm sure there were rumours on HD recording as well, I remember people saying about 720p etc. (not for the screen)

[xInternat]

Hi I am Stefan. And to be quite honest I am astounded that you expected 3D on a phonw before it has even been brought to the masses? 3D on a phone would be as useful as a my dog using a knife and fork.

Conversation ends their.


Ok, so right.. I'm not saying "They should have 3D on the iPhone RIGHT NOW" but they're supposed to be like the masters of nanotechnology and things like that..
Tbh, they should be thinking about this stuff, contemplating it.. Not bringing out a product that people can "deal with" till they do actually master it..
Should keep us anticipating an actual "REVOLUTIONARY" (a word apple use a lot, yet i'm still to whitness a product that truley is) device.

My opinion. That's all.

[StefanWolves]

If you don't read the rumours then how can you know what to expect? "I wasnt expecting HD and half the stuff the mentioned" - The rumours are pretty accurate in predicting the iPad and most iPhone features in the past so they can hardly come as a surprise.

I'm not Anti-Apple at all, I'm anti-hyperbole and anti-apple fanboys. I was very negative of the iPad and will continue to be until someone tells me how it does anything more than an iPod Touch (and i'm talking more than just "well it has a bigger screen" or "oh it has a sim card"). I think the additional battery life for example is a welcome addition, all smartphones suffer in this area. I also look forward to iOS4, the categories will be very useful for my 64GB iPod Touch (I do own Apple products :P). The processor will no doubt be a good thing too.

I've little faith in the camera though, the iPhone camera has never been particularly amazing in the past, the one on the 3GS is good but nothing to shout about. HD Recordings aren't up to much though, the HTC EVO 4G has 720p recording (HD) but after watching some videos made on it they're nothing to shout about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U8kAU4XRlM

I'm sure the iPhone 4G will be exactly the same, it won't be any better at recording than other devices and the HD label is just to lure people in. The video calling really isn't anything new or revolutionary nor is a book store for the iPhone, Amazon Kindle has had an iPhone app for books for ages now.

Thanks for the constructive post, which is more than I can say for someone else in this thread... :P I have to say I totally agree with most of what you said and I will post a constructive response when I get back home, its a pain typing on my iPhone! :P

[Luke]

- Nothing about their new game center? Wth?


The gaming centre is a useless feature imo. I still don't even know what it does.. :L
And since the iPhone is SO overpriced in the UK, I ain't gonna be able to play with alot of people here in the North-East..

[kk.]

- Same crap price for us UK users I reckon

I have justified the price before in other threads. The conversion rate isnt as good as what people think it is, and the price is also put with variations of the exchange rate. US prices do not include tax, as this varies from state to state, whereas ours do. The iPad price worked out to be about £420 rather than the £429 apple have, which, is the difference in exchange rate fluctuations



I'm sure there were rumours on HD recording as well, I remember people saying about 720p etc. (not for the screen)

i corrected my post lol, sorry. I meant that I hadnt heard of any rumours

[Jam]

The iPad price worked out to be about £420 rather than the £429 apple have, which, is the difference in exchange rate fluctuations

Based on that the iPhone would be £246 (£210 w/o VAT)

[xxMATTGxx]

Apple just issued a press release announcing the launch of Safari 5, though it hasn't been officially posted on their site so far.

Apple today released Safari 5, the latest version of the world's fastest and most innovative web browser, featuring the new Safari Reader for reading articles on the web without distraction, a 30 percent performance increase over Safari 4,* and the ability to choose Google, Yahoo! or Bing as the search service powering Safari's search field. Available for both Mac® and Windows, Safari 5 includes improved developer tools and supports more than a dozen new HTML5 technologies that allow web developers to create rich, dynamic websites. With Safari 5, developers can now create secure Safari Extensions to customize and enhance the browsing experience.

Features Include:

- Safari Reader makes it easy to read single and multipage articles on the web by presenting them in a new, scrollable view without any additional content or clutter. When Safari 5 detects an article, users can click on the Reader icon in the Smart Address Field to display the entire article for clear, uninterrupted reading with options to enlarge, print or send via email.
- Powered by the Nitro JavaScript engine, Safari 5 on the Mac runs JavaScript 30 percent faster than Safari 4, three percent faster than Chrome 5.0, and over twice as fast as Firefox 3.6.* Safari 5 loads new webpages faster using Domain Name System (DNS) prefetching, and improves the caching of previously viewed pages to return to them more quickly.
- Safari 5 adds more than a dozen powerful HTML5 features that allow web developers to create media-rich experiences, including full screen playback and closed captions for HTML5 video. Other new HTML5 features in Safari 5 include HTML5 Geolocation, HTML5 sectioning elements, HTML5 draggable attribute, HTML5 forms validation, HTML5 Ruby, HTML5 AJAX History, EventSource and WebSocket.
- The new, free Safari Developer Program allows developers to customize and enhance, Safari 5 with extensions based on standard web technologies like HTML5, CSS3 and JavaScript. The Extension Builder, new in Safari 5, simplifies the development, installation and packaging of extensions. For enhanced security and stability, Safari Extensions are sandboxed, signed with a digital certificate from Apple and run solely in the browser.

According to the press release, Safari 5 will be available for free download today. With no mention of it on their site or during today's keynote, we're not sure if this was an intentional announcement.

http://www.macrumors.com/2010/06/07/apple-announces-safari-5/

Mistake by Apple? ;o

[StefanWolves]

1GHz processor? Been around for a long time.
It's easy saying that, but it has never been inside of an iPhone. The 3GS was lightning fast with 600mhz, now 1ghz? it's going to be insane.

5MP camera? Loads already have that.
Yeah they have, 5MP is big enough for A PHONE camera, why need bigger for the odd picture?

HD recording? Is around.
Ah yes, swipe that one under the carpet, quick! admit it, not many phones do it, it's a great addition.

free iPhone to iPhone calling? It's WiFi, if it wasn't free it'd be stupid.
Yes it's good, and it will be able to work over 3G when jailbroken (jailbreak is already out for beta 4.0 firmwares)

Improved screen isn't that impressive :/
Ahh yes! the best screen ever made for a mobile device, and it 'isn't that impressive', ah rite.


Also there was no hope because most people knew what it looked like as it'd been leaked god knows how many times.

[Sunny.]

Not really an apple fanboy.

I own a few apple products, got a ipod touch and had a iphone 3G for about a week or two to play about with.
Personally I agree with most comments made in the thread that apple should have included most features such as LED flash etc in the original iphone.

The features revealed today were a bit of a surprise to me especially with the new screen and video calling over Wi-Fi
They seem to be pretty cool features. Yes video calling has been around in other phones but its only recently its become FREE on other phones. Im aware android has an application which allows free voice calling via VOIP clients such as Skype. I think its a cool feature for iphone to iphone similar to Blackberry Messenger.

Though theres not a massive difference between the 3GS and iphone 4 feature wise, it is a lot better with the redesign of the whole phone and new antenna design which I am yet to see how successful it is.

I will probably check the price of the iphone 4 16GB on 15th July and if its reasonable [Around £500] I'll probably pre order one to pick up in store. However will read around a bit before buying :)

[kk.]

Based on that the iPhone would be £246 (£210 w/o VAT)

for a new contract, more than likely around that mark. ive found on the US website that a 16GB model is $599 (im not sure whetherthis is 4g or not). Thats £413.66 pre tax, and after tax is £486.0505. say that was an iPhone 3GS, our 16gb is selling at £449, which is very surprising tbh lol.

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Not really an apple fanboy.

I own a few apple products, got a ipod touch and had a iphone 3G for about a week or two to play about with.
Personally I agree with most comments made in the thread that apple should have included most features such as LED flash etc in the original iphone.

The features revealed today were a bit of a surprise to me especially with the new screen and video calling over Wi-Fi
They seem to be pretty cool features. Yes video calling has been around in other phones but its only recently its become FREE on other phones. Im aware android has an application which allows free voice calling via VOIP clients such as Skype. I think its a cool feature for iphone to iphone similar to Blackberry Messenger.

Though theres not a massive difference between the 3GS and iphone 4 feature wise, it is a lot better with the redesign of the whole phone and new antenna design which I am yet to see how successful it is.

I will probably check the price of the iphone 4 16GB on 15th July and if its reasonable [Around £500] I'll probably pre order one to pick up in store. However will read around a bit before buying :)

i dont know if you have, but read what i wrote about why they wouldnt, and why you wouldnt, include all the features straight away

and its 15th June isnt it? sooooo close lol. i hope O2 could do me a deal :'(



also, safari 5 has been released to download, but whether its intentional or not i dont know :P

[dirrty]

can't wait to upgrade my contract in august. hoping they'll offer me a decent contract for the iphone, otherwise i'll get a blackberry lmao.

[kk.]

can't wait to upgrade my contract in august. hoping they'll offer me a decent contract for the iphone, otherwise i'll get a blackberry lmao.

if they dont, say fine then im leaving.. theyll stop you before you hang up or begin the closing of your account XD

[Sunny.]

Oh sorry, I meant 15th June sorry.

Yes that's the reason why they never added the features to the first model. But then I dont think its fair that they say
"We like to make the best product we can for our customers"

Because they dont, they think of the business opportunity.
Either way il be buying the new iphone 4 lol.

[GommeInc]

i dont know if you have, but read what i wrote about why they wouldnt, and why you wouldnt, include all the features straight away

and its 15th June isnt it? sooooo close lol. i hope O2 could do me a deal :'(



also, safari 5 has been released to download, but whether its intentional or not i dont know :P
Yes and Apple get laughed at for doing that because it contradicts their views of bring out the "best" product that is better than anything, ever and the way they advertise their products. They're known to do that all the time so us normal people just let them throw the toys around in the mental camp, while patting them on the head for specialness ;)

Quick question, but can you change the Home Screen on the iPhone and can you move around the Apps to best suit you? I was thinking this the other day when I cahged by Android phones Home Screen to add some extra personalisation for a product I can rightfully call mine :P

[StefanWolves]

Yes and Apple get laughed at for doing that because it contradicts their views of bring out the "best" product that is better than anything, ever and the way they advertise their products. They're known to do that all the time so us normal people just let them throw the toys around in the mental camp, while patting them on the head for specialness ;)

Quick question, but can you change the Home Screen on the iPhone and can you move around the Apps to best suit you? I was thinking this the other day when I cahged by Android phones Home Screen to add some extra personalisation for a product I can rightfully call mine :P

Yeah you can actually, its called IntelliScreen.

[kk.]

Yes and Apple get laughed at for doing that because it contradicts their views of bring out the "best" product that is better than anything, ever and the way they advertise their products. They're known to do that all the time so us normal people just let them throw the toys around in the mental camp, while patting them on the head for specialness ;)

Quick question, but can you change the Home Screen on the iPhone and can you move around the Apps to best suit you? I was thinking this the other day when I cahged by Android phones Home Screen to add some extra personalisation for a product I can rightfully call mine :P

it still doesnt mean theyre not going to use fundamental business logic though, does it? Every company pretty much has that statement somewhere in their policies anyway, so i dont see what so different about apple doing it, and any other lol

and iOS4 lets you customise the home screen with any background, but moving icons around has been there since the beginning (at least i think almost the beginning lol, in fact i think it was v2.0 when it came out as there wasnt any need to rearrange as the app store hadnt come out), but you can certainly do it now. Delete icons with ease, have them on separate pages (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnXoGnUU6uI&feature=related - was the clearest one i could find without some gay music :l)

[GommeInc]

*shudders at the i infront of OS*

I've never really seen anyone with any sort of customisations, so just assumed no-one bothered or there was no functionality. Though changing the background is hardly amazing. It's funny because Apple are probably wanting to add widgets to their iPhones, but they will so get blasted for it :P

Can you change the style in general, like quick links at the bottom, like ADW for the Android lets you completely change the homescreen to allow extra screens and/or quick links for apps you use all the time? Or is this where the customisation argument for Apple completely crashes? It's something they really should look into, but many accure Jobs of wanting everyone wanting to have the same product with no uniqueness (or that's how they come off, at least).

[StefanWolves]

*shudders at the i infront of OS*

I've never really seen anyone with any sort of customisations, so just assumed no-one bothered or there was no functionality. Though changing the background is hardly amazing. It's funny because Apple are probably wanting to add widgets to their iPhones, but they will so get blasted for it :P

Can you change the style in general, like quick links at the bottom, like ADW for the Android lets you completely change the homescreen to allow extra screens and/or quick links for apps you use all the time? Or is this where the customisation argument for Apple completely crashes? It's something they really should look into, but many accure Jobs of wanting everyone wanting to have the same product with no uniqueness (or that's how they come off, at least).

Unofficially yes you can with IntelliScreen. Lol.

[kk.]

*shudders at the i infront of OS*

I've never really seen anyone with any sort of customisations, so just assumed no-one bothered or there was no functionality. Though changing the background is hardly amazing. It's funny because Apple are probably wanting to add widgets to their iPhones, but they will so get blasted for it :P

Can you change the style in general, like quick links at the bottom, like ADW for the Android lets you completely change the homescreen to allow extra screens and/or quick links for apps you use all the time? Or is this where the customisation argument for Apple completely crashes? It's something they really should look into, but many accure Jobs of wanting everyone wanting to have the same product with no uniqueness (or that's how they come off, at least).

i do dislike all the i's but oh well :P

the background shouldve been there from the start, i agree, but meh, hasnt bothered me toooooooo much :P

im not sure what you really mean? Did you watch the video? iPhone has 4 fixed apps at the bottom (whether messages, contacts, a game) which can be changed for anything. Then it has 4 more rows per page, and 4 on each line (so 5 altogether, 20 apps in total). You can drag and dorp any app anywhere, and make upto 10/11 pages of apps, so it means 220ish apps. however, apple are now adding a folders function, so you can get about 2000 apps now, if you had folders on each page, in every slot.

the app icons are basically widgets, just, not lol. in fact, theres no need to add widgets really. It has the clock at the top, and weather icons, along with music players etc, are at the touch of an icon so its not really any more work :P

[GommeInc]

Is it an App in the App Store or do you have to mess around the iPhone in an unsavoury sort of way? :P

I sort of knew about the 4 apps at the bottom, didn't know they were actually fixed. Would people really need 2,000 apps? That's kinda overkill :P I guess the apps only really lose their shine when things like Twitter or Facebook come into play, Android shows status updates for friends with a picture, which seems a bit much for a small icon. They're useful to display that little extra information, like Latitude, browser history/most viewed websites at least, cuts out the effort but nothing major :P

(and didn't watch the video, running around in circles but will watching it in a second if I remember :P)

[StefanWolves]

Is it an App in the App Store or do you have to mess around the iPhone in an unsavoury sort of way? :P

Jailbreak. Without the jailbreak the iPhone wouldnt be as appealing to me TBH.

All hail the jailbreak!! :)

[GommeInc]

Jailbreak. Without the jailbreak the iPhone wouldnt be as appealing to me TBH.

All hail the jailbreak!! :)
Ah I see, kinda sucks you have to put that much effort in. The only effort I've had to put into the Xperia to install the Swype keyboard was to manually install it , as it's not in the Android market (or wasn't when I played with it). It only involved uploading into a folder, no extra effort. I guess this relates to how Apple hide folders and so forth for some unknown reason, it's why the Bluetooth isn't as good as it should be :P

[StefanWolves]

Ah I see, kinda sucks you have to put that much effort in. The only effort I've had to put into the Xperia to install the Swype keyboard was to manually install it , as it's not in the Android market (or wasn't when I played with it). It only involved uploading into a folder, no extra effort. I guess this relates to how Apple hide folders and so forth for some unknown reason, it's why the Bluetooth isn't as good as it should be :P

Not really. Its a click of a mouse button and takes around 15 seconds. We also get proper bluetooth through jailbreaking, did you know?

[GommeInc]

Requires jailbreaking though, should be available from the start :P

[kk.]

Is it an App in the App Store or do you have to mess around the iPhone in an unsavoury sort of way? :P

I sort of knew about the 4 apps at the bottom, didn't know they were actually fixed. Would people really need 2,000 apps? That's kinda overkill :P I guess the apps only really lose their shine when things like Twitter or Facebook come into play, Android shows status updates for friends with a picture, which seems a bit much for a small icon. They're useful to display that little extra information, like Latitude, browser history/most viewed websites at least, cuts out the effort but nothing major :P

(and didn't watch the video, running around in circles but will watching it in a second if I remember :P)

is what an app in the app store? im confused lol

the 4 apps at the bottom arent fixed lol. and i know but, you know, you might want to have 2000 apps? XD the facebook apps fast enough without having to have a widget though lol. or at least thats my thinking anyway. and latitude!? as if anyone needs that in normal day to day circumstances :P the browser has a history and bookmarked, as well as bringing up your most visited if you begin typing.

thingsll make more sense if you watch a video of moving them around lol

[StefanWolves]

Requires jailbreaking though, should be available from the start :P

I agree. Apple are Nazi's.

[kk.]

Ah I see, kinda sucks you have to put that much effort in. The only effort I've had to put into the Xperia to install the Swype keyboard was to manually install it , as it's not in the Android market (or wasn't when I played with it). It only involved uploading into a folder, no extra effort. I guess this relates to how Apple hide folders and so forth for some unknown reason, it's why the Bluetooth isn't as good as it should be :P

(im just gonna add this in here but, you seem to be picking fault with apple before knowing what the iphone actual does :P)

jailbreaking is simple, you download a 1mb application, and click run, and its done. Ok, you might need to research a bit to figure out how to customise and stuff but that depends on the user lol

[StefanWolves]

is what an app in the app store? im confused lol

the 4 apps at the bottom arent fixed lol. and i know but, you know, you might want to have 2000 apps? XD the facebook apps fast enough without having to have a widget though lol. or at least thats my thinking anyway. and latitude!? as if anyone needs that in normal day to day circumstances :P the browser has a history and bookmarked, as well as bringing up your most visited if you begin typing.

thingsll make more sense if you watch a video of moving them around lol

Hes being sarcastic :P

[kk.]

Hes being sarcastic :P

what did he say which was sarcastic lol?

[StefanWolves]

what did he say which was sarcastic lol?

He already knows all this stuff were telling him. Hes trying to prove a point.

[kk.]

prove a point of what? idiocy..?

[StefanWolves]

prove a point of what? idiocy..?

Lol that Android is superior to iOS. Which is his opinion. :P

[kk.]

Lol that Android is superior to iOS. Which is his opinion. :P

well then hes not trying to prove a point because hes basically saying 'can it does this' and im replying 'yes'. if iw as saying no, then fair enough, but im not

[Sunny.]

I agree with the point made earlier. Without jailbreaking the iphone wouldnt be an iphone for me. I wouldnt bother paying for all the app's I have on my ipod touch
but getting them for free is what makes the iphone appeal to me. The amount of apps available via apps like Installous is truly amazing.
Jailbreaking the iphone unlocks the true potential of the phone and allows you to do a lot of things that Apple restricts, therefore it is straight back up there with the rest of the phones in the market. Today you can get app's for absolutley anything and the platform is the best place to market your games.
I will be making an app soon to promote my website further and honestly believe it will boost my website hits enormously.

As for the amount of effort it takes the Jailbreak, it really isnt how it used to be.
Before you had to download the ipsw file and then use a program to jailbreak it, which involved putting your iphone into DFU Mode and restoring it using itunes and dont forget if it didnt work you had to restart the whole process.
Now? All you have to do is download one program and click one button and it is all done in a matter of seconds. Thanks to programs like Spirit.

Im not against android phone infact I was thinking of getting the HTC Desire because I quite like android but the amount of apps available on an iphone
is what sways me towards the iphone.