Britains EU membership bill (direct payments) to RISE to £10.3bn per year

[-:Undertaker:-]

http://www.ukip.org/content/latest-news/1696-uks-eu-membership-will-rise-to-pound103bn
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7150196.ece


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Britain’s EU membership fee will soar to £10.3bn a year by 2014 according to a revised estimate from the Office of Budget Responsibility (OBR). The hike is due to Tony Blair’s disastrous decision to give up part of Britain’s EU rebate in 2005 – a decision described by UKIP deputy leader Lord Monckton last week as a foolish attempt to secure the EU presidency.

The OBR – a new watchdog chaired by economist Sir Alan Budd – also revised upwards Britain’s contributions to the EU budget for 2009/10 to £8.3bn, from the previously estimated £7.6bn. Sarah Gaskall, from the Open Europe think tank, said: “It is now shockingly clear just how poor the deal Tony Blair negotiated in 2005 was for the UK.”While we are being forced to cut back out own services that we pay for, the European Union just keeps spending and spending and spending - our money is going to an organisation whos audits have not been signed off in the past eleven years with suspected billions missing as the reason, an organisation which uses British taxpayer money to fund wasteful programmes and propaganda machines and more to the point; we are paying for things such as new roads in Romania, the Czech Republic and the disasterous CAP policy which hugely benefits France.

With all this in mind (not to mention the huge deficiet we face);

Do you think we should altogether halt our EU payments, not increase them or increase them?

Thoughts?

[Bun]

what's your point?

[-:Undertaker:-]

My point is that a) Tony Blair sold us out for his own personal gain & b) we are having to cut vital services such as the armed forces but the EU just keeps spending. I would have thought that blitheringly obvious really, or do you think the EU should spend more while countries across Europe such as the UK are having to cut back vital public services by a large margin thanks to the devastation left behind by failed left wing governments and a currency that is as much as a joke as the monopoly currency?

[FlyingJesus]

We can't afford to be doing this. If we sort ourselves out then I have no issue with what we spend elsewhere, but it makes no sense to send more money out of the country when we're struggling ourselves. For those who fancy being communist: if we're more stable then we are better equipped to help everyone else out and everyone wins that way.

[GommeInc]

We can't afford to be doing this. If we sort ourselves out then I have no issue with what we spend elsewhere, but it makes no sense to send more money out of the country when we're struggling ourselves. For those who fancy being communist: if we're more stable then we are better equipped to help everyone else out and everyone wins that way.
^ Same as Jesus. We shouldn't be sending money out of the country when we need it for ourselves. If we weren't in the pro-verbial toilet, then it would be okay to send this money out to be splashed around, but in the current climate it's dangerous and unnecessary. It's our money, we should spend it on ourselves. And as Jesus said again, we'd be more help if we were stable and have everything under control, at the moment the EU is the least of our worries :/

It's shocking the amount we send over to the EU already. The EU shouldn't be getting any extra money at the moment when it's member states need it more than some over-glorified organisation which doesn't disperse the money equally or provided any extra help, especially when the UK is one of the main countries :/ Hopefully Cameron sticks by his word, or we've somehow wasted our votes on a terrible government.

[Alkaz]

We shouldn't even be in the EU. Its just like Eurovision, we pay the most out of any country to be a part of it yet get the worst deal. I swear most countries see us as a meal ticket and when they've exhausted all of our services and resourves they will be the dominating powers as we wont have a leg to stand on. Ridiculous.

[Adamm]

We are a laughing stock.

[alexxxxx]

We shouldn't even be in the EU. Its just like Eurovision, we pay the most out of any country to be a part of it yet get the worst deal. I swear most countries see us as a meal ticket and when they've exhausted all of our services and resourves they will be the dominating powers as we wont have a leg to stand on. Ridiculous.

that's where youre wrong. in eurovision we get automatic qualification for the final.

not to mention eurovision pulls in more views than a drama in that timeslot for less money ;)

[GommeInc]

that's where youre wrong. in eurovision we get automatic qualification for the final.

not to mention eurovision pulls in more views than a drama in that timeslot for less money ;)
You kinda proved his point lol - we pay alot, but for what? We don't really get acknowledged for doing anything.

And dramas are at least a little bit easier to watch, not the carp they put in Eurovision (especially our dreadful entries). Carp I say, carp!

[dbgtz]

I wanna know where all of this goes to be quite frank. I actually do not see anything except a bunch of douchebags deciding rules for us, surely we couldn't just get the people we ALREADY pay to do that?
Oh but easier travel. Hmm is that worth £10.3bn? And to someone who doesn't go abroad it's pretty damn pointless.
And why should we have to pay for other peoples welfare? Sorry but it's true, you have to fight (not literally guns and crap) and work in this world in order to get somewhere, so what do we do? Give it to people who could make some effort and get money themselves.

Off topic sorta but how much do we pay atm and how much does Germany pay atm?

EDIT: Also what happens if we decrease/increase our payment?

[alexxxxx]

You kinda proved his point lol - we pay alot, but for what? We don't really get acknowledged for doing anything.

And dramas are at least a little bit easier to watch, not the carp they put in Eurovision (especially our dreadful entries). Carp I say, carp!

i have looked at the evidence and i feel that the UK does now benefit much more in the EU than out. The cost is large but i think as the E European economies grow our net contribution will probably fall.

there have been problems with the eu's rapid expansion and some accountability issues could be reformed but i think all in all i think it's democratic enough and we underestimate the value it has when we see the mail/telegraph/express stories.

&that's my 2 euro cents.

[GommeInc]

i have looked at the evidence and i feel that the UK does now benefit much more in the EU than out. The cost is large but i think as the E European economies grow our net contribution will probably fall.

there have been problems with the eu's rapid expansion and some accountability issues could be reformed but i think all in all i think it's democratic enough and we underestimate the value it has when we see the mail/telegraph/express stories.

&that's my 2 euro cents.
Depends how you see it. Governments naturally cost alot of money, and having two seems like a waste and obviously having one Eurocratic country wouldn't work as we hate everyone and each country hates everyone else. It's quite a waste of money, when each country did quite well on their own.

[alexxxxx]

Depends how you see it. Governments naturally cost alot of money, and having two seems like a waste and obviously having one Eurocratic country wouldn't work as we hate everyone and each country hates everyone else. It's quite a waste of money, when each country did quite well on their own.
that's the thing. it's hard to tell where this country would have been in terms of trade if we had not joined EEC because beforehand much of our trade was done with the commonwealth where now the largest trading partner is the rest of europe. I think there are simply too many factors to consider if the EU has affected us negatively or positively overall.

[-:Undertaker:-]

that's the thing. it's hard to tell where this country would have been in terms of trade if we had not joined EEC because beforehand much of our trade was done with the commonwealth where now the largest trading partner is the rest of europe. I think there are simply too many factors to consider if the EU has affected us negatively or positively overall.

This country (if it had not joined the EC) wouldnt be locked along with the rest of Europe in a straight-jacket which imposes tariffs on countries such as the Unites States and dumps huge amounts of food at worthless prices on African markets leading to mass starvation on the African countinent. The European project was never about trade, it was about federalism and doing things without telling people - the exact reason the EU detests referendums and elections. The very point is only proved by yourself of whom it took attempt after attempt on my part to admit you are a European federalist.

The currency is a joke.
Its rules are a joke.
Its methods are a joke.

- and it will be consigned on the dustpile of history like most other failed attempts at the unification of Europe.

You also mentioned democracy in the European Union, what kind of a democracy makes people vote twice until they give the correct answer? [in the case of the Republic of Ireland]. I can only imagine the reactions of our politicians had Zimbabwe/Burma/North Korea/China done the same and acted in the same arrogant way as the European elite have done.

[GommeInc]

that's the thing. it's hard to tell where this country would have been in terms of trade if we had not joined EEC because beforehand much of our trade was done with the commonwealth where now the largest trading partner is the rest of europe. I think there are simply too many factors to consider if the EU has affected us negatively or positively overall.

Many agree that it should of stayed as a trade relationship. Developing it further to include governing the continent as a step too far and a breach of each countries individual controls and sovereignity. The currency is obviously an attempt at showing the world how capitalism goes wrong.