FTAO: WORLD CUP VIP PEOPLE

[hah]

Hi, just a quick question. The flags next to your names, which flags do you think are nicer?

Current Ones
http://www.habboxforum.com/images/ranks/wc/englandflag1.png

Newer Ones
http://rbguides.com/screenshots/e46bd5c6.png

I didnt make them btw, i just found them on another site and thought they would look nicer. I dont mind either way, just wanan see what people think...

[dirrty]

i prefer the 'newer' ones. they look much better than the current ones which are quite standard and plain.

[myke]

I think they're nicer, but I think that it might cause some alignment issues :o unless they edit some padding in around.

certainly look tidier.

[Hecktix]

I think they are too small and the size is the reason we didn't use them :)

[hah]

or else because you made the current crap ones.so far everyone but you seems to think they are nicer
lol o well:):):):):)):):0;):):):):):)):

nice to see you have already scraped the idea and what? 3 people have posted lol

[Hecktix]

or else because you made the current crap ones.so far everyone but you seems to think they are nicer
lol o well:):):):):)):):0;):):):):):)):

nice to see you have already scraped the idea and what? 3 people have posted lol

The members don't run HabboxForum and whilst members opinions are listened to on the whole, the final decision rests with Forum and General Management, and this is something we are not going to change mid-sale of the product. We've sold enough of it, so it's not a major problem. If we hadn't sold any then I'd be taking feedback and looking at how we could sell some.

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[Hecktix]

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Not really, the flags we have are no where near the best graphics in the world however I'm not willing to spend time changing it when it will have little if any benefit to the forum.

[hah]

makes it look nicer lol
changing all the forums descriptions had little benefit to the forum yet you still did that lol

[xxMATTGxx]

They are nice flags but there is no point in changing them now. A little bit small, but I'm sure if we ever need some more flags then we will look into other alternatives if needed.

[myke]

the graphics team would've happily helped you to make some 'better' ones, had you asked. :)

[hah]

welcome to germany 1939 :l lol

@ myke... that simply couldn't off happened because oli said you were working on a big task for matt and he had being giving out to you for taking so long.... and that oli was no longer allowed ask you to do things

[Hecktix]

makes it look nicer lol
changing all the forums descriptions had little benefit to the forum yet you still did that lol

Changing forum descriptions, the majority of which were out dated took nearly 100 words off the forum index, which has been heavily criticised for having too much text on it.

@ Myke, it was a last minute decision - you don't like last minute graphics requests.

[myke]

welcome to germany 1939 :l lol

@ myke... that simply couldn't off happened because oli said you were working on a big task for matt and he had being giving out to you for taking so long.... and that oli was no longer allowed ask you to do things

seems like you know a lot about the staff forums, Graham. ;)

but I can tell you that my staff aren't/haven't really been busy.

[Catzsy]

Where are the complaints about the current ones? They look fine to me.

[lPinoy]

first is gb flag but i like them a lot betterrr really but they are a tad small but i doubt they'll be used instead anyway

[hah]

Where are the complaints about the current ones? They look fine to me.

dont remember saying there were complains lollllll
maybe read next time? i only asked peoples opinions

[Jamesy]

The little ones look all blurred and would look silly next to larger names in the postbit. Aside from that they look far less habbo-ey than the current ones too. It's not a particularly important aspect of the forum - and could all too easily have just been bog standard donator in a different colour like all the other occasions so its far nicer to have something to make it different :P

[kk.]

can i ask.. why is the england vertical stripe so fat compared to the hoizontal..

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and what bout these ones: http://www.printableworldflags.com/flag-icon

[Nicola]

I agree that they look too small and also the current ones that we have are very bold colours so I think that they look better with the donator. The other ones are almost too pale looking in my opinion.

[hah]

them ones are nice joshua

[myke]

I agree that they look too small and also the current ones that we have are very bold colours so I think that they look better with the donator. The other ones are almost too pale looking in my opinion.

you can quite easily bump up the saturation and possibly contrast.

i like them too kk.

[Catzsy]

dont remember saying there were complains lollllll
maybe read next time? i only asked peoples opinions

But why when it has already been on sale for weeks. What's the purpose of it? Also if there have been no complaints from members who are happy to pay for it why change it halfway through. I did read your post and my reply was relevent.

[kk.]

them ones are nice joshua

first nice thing youve said to me all week :l

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But why when it has already been on sale for weeks. What's the purpose of it?

people could have bought years worth of it?

[Hecktix]

can i ask.. why is the england vertical stripe so fat compared to the hoizontal..

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and what bout these ones: http://www.printableworldflags.com/flag-icon

I don't think they are as bold as our current ones, or as "Habbo-ey" which is a problem but the size is good.

I must warn you though, that we aren't gonna change these cause we've sold a lot of WC Donator with the current ones, which shows no need to change them and this is just nit picking :P

If you'd shown me these before we launched it, it would probably be different but as Matt has said, there's no point now, although I will bookmark that page incase we need to use any of those for the finalists-donator.

[Tintinnabulate]

Doesn't matter if they are too small or from a free site. Larger versions can easily be found on the internet and re-sized accordingly. If people are happy with the size graham posted, the alignment problem can be sorted by putting the flag on the center of a larger transparent background.

What Habbox could easily do with Graham's idea is twist is to make more money and make everyone happy. Majority who were going to buy the WC Donor have already bought it. Why not re-release them with the flags Graham has suggested (but obviously as a new usergroup). So both user groups will exist and some might end up buying the new ones too for the sake of it.

[kk.]

I don't think they are as bold as our current ones, or as "Habbo-ey" which is a problem but the size is good.

I must warn you though, that we aren't gonna change these cause we've sold a lot of WC Donator with the current ones, which shows no need to change them and this is just nit picking :P

If you'd shown me these before we launched it, it would probably be different but as Matt has said, there's no point now, although I will bookmark that page incase we need to use any of those for the finalists-donator.

well, based on tonights performance, we won be in the world cup, and neither will USA or Australia lol

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and no point in doing different user groups, you can just change the image and everyone else will change providing he empty their caches

[Tintinnabulate]

well, based on tonights performance, we won be in the world cup, and neither will USA or Australia lol

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and no point in doing different user groups, you can just change the image and everyone else will change providing he empty their caches

It was just a compromise idea which would also bring in more money.

[kk.]

It was just a compromise idea which would also bring in more money.

true lol. i just dont see the need. they already moan about how anyuser groups there are lol

but i still dont understand why the vertical stripe is fatter O_O

[Inseriousity.]

off-topic: did we lose again lol?

kk on topic, I agree that they're too small but they do look nicer, so finding bigger versions like people have already done by looks of things would be better.
Lol I must be going senile but I'm sure I saw 'Forum God' with world cup vip (invisible) long before it was released to the public, hardly last minute really and the gfx dept. are really fast anyway! :D

[Hecktix]

We aren't going to be changing the current ones as they have sold in a large amount - thus beneficial for the forum.

We are releasing the semi-finalists and I may use the larger flags posted by kk. for these sets :)

Following tonight's performance, the England one won't be on sale then :P

[myke]

off-topic: did we lose again lol?

kk on topic, I agree that they're too small but they do look nicer, so finding bigger versions like people have already done by looks of things would be better.
Lol I must be going senile but I'm sure I saw 'Forum God' with world cup vip (invisible) long before it was released to the public, hardly last minute really and the gfx dept. are really fast anyway! :D

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[Tintinnabulate]

We aren't going to be changing the current ones as they have sold in a large amount - thus beneficial for the forum.

We are releasing the semi-finalists and I may use the larger flags posted by kk. for these sets :)

Following tonight's performance, the England one won't be on sale then :P

What about my idea of a compromise to bring in more money - which is surely good.

[Hecktix]

What about my idea of a compromise to bring in more money - which is surely good.

I don't think it'd bring in enough money to justify it really.

[kk.]

i dont see why you cant change the images lol. its no diferent? You just upload the images nd replace the current ones surely O_O

[Hecktix]

i dont see why you cant change the images lol. its no diferent? You just upload the images nd replace the current ones surely O_O

Because there's no need to change the images, there have been no issues with the current ones so there's not much point - it wouldn't be beneficial.

[Tintinnabulate]

Because there's no need to change the images, there have been no issues with the current ones so there's not much point - it wouldn't be beneficial.

No issues but members prefer newer ones as they are nicer to look at ;) making it beneficial. I personally think the flags look quite ugly in who's online as it stretches it.

[myke]

There's only one way to solve this ....

PPPPPOOOOLLLL!!!!!

that says poll btw.

why not do a poll? :D

k bed now bye

[Nicola]

No issues but members prefer newer ones as they are nicer to look at ;) making it beneficial. I personally think the flags look quite ugly in who's online as it stretches it.

Who's online will always look ugly with the flags there, it doesn't matter which flags are used :P

[Hecktix]

There's only one way to solve this ....

PPPPPOOOOLLLL!!!!!

that says poll btw.

why not do a poll? :D

k bed now bye

There's no need to change it so it won't be changed, @ Saurav, either flags will still stretch the Online Members - that's just a negative about this way of having the Donator.

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[kk.]

Because there's no need to change the images, there have been no issues with the current ones so there's not much point - it wouldn't be beneficial.

no issues until someones pointed it out, hence this thread. so there are issues if someones brought this up? and clearly people agree as no one has said they like the current ones really lol

[Hecktix]

no issues until someones pointed it out, hence this thread. so there are issues if someones brought this up? and clearly people agree as no one has said they like the current ones really lol

Well the money we've made from it suggests otherwise. The thread was posted to nit-pick to purposely wind up Management.

[kk.]

Well the money we've made from it suggests otherwise. The thread was posted to nit-pick to purposely wind up Management.

i dunno if it was purposely posted, but, i have thought it before. But still, the money youve made off of it doesnt mean that people particularly like the images do they? i mean people have posted in here with it and they have it, yet they would prefer new images? its a matter of making the forum look nicer, or more horrible with the already large amount of images in the user bit

[Tintinnabulate]

Well the money we've made from it suggests otherwise. The thread was posted to nit-pick to purposely wind up Management.

People bought it as its different :P and they support their country. I am sure this has been suggested before when it was released. People buy WC Donor every time.

[buttons]

i think people did complain but only because they're big on "members online" at bottom of the forum, i just got used to it though.
the current ones look fine to me they're good size next to the names, ones you posted are too small

[kk.]

can i ask.. why is the england vertical stripe so fat compared to the hoizontal..

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and what bout these ones: http://www.printableworldflags.com/flag-icon


i think people did complain but only because they're big on "members online" at bottom of the forum, i just got used to it though.
the current ones look fine to me they're good size next to the names, can't judge on your ones because i can hardly came them out so not sure how people are saying they prefer them o.o

........ dont moan about pointless, pointing out my post lol

[xxMATTGxx]

The flags are not being changed. Nice images and all that but there is no point changing them now, maybe for the semi-finals but at the moment it isn't needed.

[kk.]

lets all point to this thread.. http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=650888

[xxMATTGxx]

lets all point to this thread.. http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=650888

So you want us to change everything someone posts? Bit out of hand and would cause many problems.

[Tintinnabulate]

The flags are not being changed. Nice images and all that but there is no point changing them now, maybe for the semi-finals but at the moment it isn't needed.

There is a point that people will see it for ages and WC has only really just started.

[kk.]

So you want us to change everything someone posts? Bit out of hand and would cause many problems.

no im saying that people clearly prefer different ones as the current ones arent nice to look at. and its clear that its JUST management (bar jen but she doesnt count) that doesnt want to change. mainly cus its you who has to change it. all you have to do is upload the images on top of the current ones.. maybe resize to the same but still..

[Calvin]

off-topic: did we lose again lol?

kk on topic, I agree that they're too small but they do look nicer, so finding bigger versions like people have already done by looks of things would be better.
Lol I must be going senile but I'm sure I saw 'Forum God' with world cup vip (invisible) long before it was released to the public, hardly last minute really and the gfx dept. are really fast anyway! :DTheres loads of accounts with the donator that were on here before long before it was released too, such as Spain etc.

[xxMATTGxx]

There is a point that people will see it for ages and WC has only really just started.

Surely if this was an issue when it was announced (around 8 or more days ago) then maybe it would of been changed back then. The only time new flags was mentioned is when Graham posted a message on my profile, if he wanted it to be a serious change then a feedback thread could of been made. Everyone who has bought the WC donator so far doesn't seem to have a problem with it?


no im saying that people clearly prefer different ones as the current ones arent nice to look at. and its clear that its JUST management (bar jen but she doesnt count) that doesnt want to change. mainly cus its you who has to change it. all you have to do is upload the images on top of the current ones.. maybe resize to the same but still..

Oh I see a lazy thing is it. Then all the things we have done in the past doesn't get counted for? If we wanted it and liked the change then it would of been done if everyone agreed and what not. I suppose all the things we are planning for next month and so on shouldn't be done because we are lazy! Yes?

[Hecktix]

It's just members nitpicking, interestingly no members who have bought the donator want the change.

The change isn't going to happen, you can hardly say we say no to everything because we don't - we say yes to a hell of a lot of things, however it's not the members that run HabboxForum and it's not always Habbox Forums interests that the members have at heart.

[Tintinnabulate]

Surely if this was an issue when it was announced (around 8 or more days ago) then maybe it would of been changed back then. The only time new flags was mentioned is when Graham posted a message on my profile, if he wanted it to be a serious change then a feedback thread could of been made. Everyone who has bought the WC donator so far doesn't seem to have a problem with it?



Oh I see a lazy thing is it. Then all the things we have done in the past doesn't get counted for? If we wanted it and liked the change then it would of been done if everyone agreed and what not. I suppose all the things we are planning for next month and so on shouldn't be done because we are lazy! Yes?

I am sure he has made a post before.

[hah]

Surely if this was an issue when it was announced (around 8 or more days ago) then maybe it would of been changed back then. The only time new flags was mentioned is when Graham posted a message on my profile, if he wanted it to be a serious change then a feedback thread could of been made. Everyone who has bought the WC donator so far doesn't seem to have a problem with it?



Oh I see a lazy thing is it. Then all the things we have done in the past doesn't get counted for? If we wanted it and liked the change then it would of been done if everyone agreed and what not. I suppose all the things we are planning for next month and so on shouldn't be done because we are lazy! Yes?

i said it in a thread made the day after it released


It's just members nitpicking, interestingly no members who have bought the donator want the change.

The change isn't going to happen, you can hardly say we say no to everything because we don't - we say yes to a hell of a lot of things, however it's not the members that run HabboxForum and it's not always Habbox Forums interests that the members have at heart.

oh grow up, im not nitpicking. im suggesting a way to make the forum look nicer

(waits for you to report because you cant handle criticism)

[Tintinnabulate]

I don't really care if its changed or not, but if members want it and it does no harm, then why not?

[Hecktix]

I don't really care if its changed or not, but if members want it and it does no harm, then why not?

Only members without World Cup Donator are asking for it :P Defeats the point in my opinion.

[xxMATTGxx]

I don't really care if its changed or not, but if members want it and it does no harm, then why not?

But that can be said for any suggestion such as a ton of addons member may want installing. Doesn't mean we should install them right? :P (Not that we are)

[Tintinnabulate]

You say its not been suggested before, but that's because no one could really be bothered. Most new ideas have never been suggested before - but people only realise when they see the new idea.

No one complained about double post rule - but when I suggested the auto merge idea, people liked it.

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Only members without World Cup Donator are asking for it :P Defeats the point in my opinion.

I personally do think its ugly that's why I didn't buy it. I prefer new colours hence I buy them instead. My old account which got banned had like 3 new colours which hadn't even been used, but I never buy ones with a prefix or an icon as I personally hate them.

[kk.]

Surely if this was an issue when it was announced (around 8 or more days ago) then maybe it would of been changed back then. The only time new flags was mentioned is when Graham posted a message on my profile, if he wanted it to be a serious change then a feedback thread could of been made. Everyone who has bought the WC donator so far doesn't seem to have a problem with it?

Oh I see a lazy thing is it. Then all the things we have done in the past doesn't get counted for? If we wanted it and liked the change then it would of been done if everyone agreed and what not. I suppose all the things we are planning for next month and so on shouldn't be done because we are lazy! Yes?


NO. dont even dare start throwing that at us. It happens every time. something is posted in feedback and its a idea that everyone likes, and management jst reply saying 'no sorry, its not happening'. Its exactly like the MOTM all over again, but this is a lot easier to rectify.


It's just members nitpicking, interestingly no members who have bought the donator want the change.

The change isn't going to happen, you can hardly say we say no to everything because we don't - we say yes to a hell of a lot of things, however it's not the members that run HabboxForum and it's not always Habbox Forums interests that the members have at heart.

Maybe thats because they either havent seen it, or cant be bothered to even read the thread.

you never said yes to youtube embedding all the times it was suggested, and you never said yes to awards. Youve implemented a useless system. you have to navigate away from apage, and click 3 times to get to where you want to be. Pointless. youtube embedding came as a feature on vB4 and if it hadnt been upgraded, i fear it wouldnt have been

[scott]

At first I did think the flags were quite ugleh and big, just taken a bit of getting used too I suppose. They have grown on me now.

[kk.]

Only members without World Cup Donator are asking for it :P Defeats the point in my opinion.

so youre prioritising members who have it over people who dont, even though we all have to see it

[Cosmic]

I do quite like those smaller flags as they do look a little nicer, so I think it's a nice suggestion. But I think to start changing them at this point might backfire with other people saying they liked the old ones, etc. I dunno, I kind of agree with Myke about the poll thing and I do get what you are all saying but yeah... just my input. Democracy and all that.

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oh and I only bought it because I like the orange colour and not so much because of the flags >.>

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[Hecktix]

so youre prioritising members who have it over people who dont, even though we all have to see it

Yes, as they are the members who have paid money to have their names like that, it's like saying people don't particularly like the shade of blue your VIP is.. if I changed it to the other shade of blue available you wouldn't be happy.

[scott]

They changed the purple colour just now from a much nicer one I prefered the old one :(

[kk.]

Yes, as they are the members who have paid money to have their names like that, it's like saying people don't particularly like the shade of blue your VIP is.. if I changed it to the other shade of blue available you wouldn't be happy.

it doesnt matter, there is a difference between having an image, and a colour. Im sorry but even if you dont want to change it, i stll think a vote would clarify a few things of what members want. heck, it could even back your point up. But if you do, do not put a biased poll.

[Hecktix]

it doesnt matter, there is a difference between having an image, and a colour. Im sorry but even if you dont want to change it, i stll think a vote would clarify a few things of what members want. heck, it could even back your point up. But if you do, do not put a biased poll.

HabboxForum isn't a democracy Josh, we give members a lot of say - but not on this, sorry.

[kk.]

HabboxForum isn't a democracy Josh, we give members a lot of say - but not on this, sorry.

no but as ive said before, and as history has proven, dictatorships never work, no matter how strict. Why say no to members most of the time, afterall, theyre the ones who make the forum what it is..

[Hecktix]

no but as ive said before, and as history has proven, dictatorships never work, no matter how strict. Why say no to members most of the time, afterall, theyre the ones who make the forum what it is..

It's hardly fair to say that this management out of all the previous management's say no to members "most of the time" and you know that.

[xxMATTGxx]

no but as ive said before, and as history has proven, dictatorships never work, no matter how strict. Why say no to members most of the time, afterall, theyre the ones who make the forum what it is..

We aren't saying no to everything. To be honest, we have given the members a lot of say regarding a lot of things that could of changed and what not. We have had polls on the following: Awards for past MOTM, New User Rank bars, new user rank system and so on. We have given you the choice of what could happen via polls before. Just because we said no to this, doesn't mean we will say no to everything and anything!

[Nixt]

Funny that this should be created by a member with an obvious axe to grind, given the thread that was recently closed. Why has this suddenly became an issue? Because you lot were pissed off with a totally separate issue and wanted to moan about something else.

Lets be clear here. HxF is not a democracy. Hell yeah we love to hear the opinion of the community, and there is absolutely no way anyone could deny we haven't taken notice of member feedback and appropriately implemented policy that the majority of our members have wanted. This, however, seems to me to be an attempt of those members who are annoyed at a previous thread to try and stir issues that aren't at all that pressing.

The flags are just fine. I am not going to sit here and pretend they are the most amazing graphics Habbox Forum have ever produced, but it doesn't seem to be much of a problem to those who have purchased the donator and haven't expressed any issue with the flags to this point. Why should we change something that, thus far, appears to be just fine apart from those who are obviously intending to cause drama or controversy.

Show us that it's an overriding and pressing issue, and we'll be more than willing to change it.

[Hecktix]

I've just looked through the feedback forum and it seems that 3/5 times this week we've said yes.

Things we've said yes to this week:

- Looking into making changes to the trading section forums/desscriptions (suggested by kk.)
- Birthdays at the bottom of the forum - Suggested by Rozi
- MOTM and Sunday Updates awards to previous winners ~ Suggested by multiple members
- Lower the amount of people that need to be rep'd before you can rep again ~ Suggested by Black_Apalachi (we even agreed on a number with members)
- Asked about the promotion of Groups/Arcade - being looked into.
- Adding an option to change forum width.

Which is pretty impressive considering I've been restricted on time and been stupidly busy with exams, admittedly these changes haven't happened yet, but that's simply because I can barely find time to breathe during these A2 exams, come thursday they'll be flying in.

But we clearly don't say no to "most things" :P

[Tintinnabulate]

Tbh they don't always say no, so mgmt are right there.

But the fact that most people with WC VIP never post in this section shows they don't care about any feedback in general tbh :P So even if they hated it, they wouldn't post as they never seen to anyway. Like I said, people didnt moan about double post till I suggested the merge addon.

[xxMATTGxx]

Tbh they don't always say no so mgmt are right there.

But the fact that most people with WC VIP never post in this section shows they don't care about any feedback in general tbh :P So even if they hated it, they wouldn't post as they never seen to anyway. Like I said, people didnt moan about double post till I suggested the merge addon.

I'm sure if they had a serious issue with something on the forum then they would post it! :P

[kk.]

It's hardly fair to say that this management out of all the previous management's say no to members "most of the time" and you know that.

no but its still basically the same. i dont often come into the feedback forum but when i do and i see a reasonably good idea or suggestion, which most members agree with, i just see you two coming along saying 'no, not happening'. like i said earlier, it happened with te MOTM award, and this thread. which just happen to be the two threads ive been in lol. as well as youtube embedding and awards.


We aren't saying no to everything. To be honest, we have given the members a lot of say regarding a lot of things that could of changed and what not. We have had polls on the following: Awards for past MOTM, New User Rank bars, new user rank system and so on. We have given you the choice of what could happen via polls before. Just because we said no to this, doesn't mean we will say no to everything and anything!

read above to first part. i didnt realise that the MOTM had actually been put to a poll tbqh, but it doesnt negate the fact that it should have been done in the first place. What about the countless threads on youtube embedding, awards, etc etc. i dont know, it just seems small things like this are just ignored which would make theforum look a whole lot nicer.

ive gone on and on about how it looks hideous with all the different images and when im next on my computer with photoshop, ill do a mockup wit hwo the forum should look, and prove to you that the current one is stupid..

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also:

- Looking into making changes to the trading section forums/desscriptions (suggested by kk.)

is hardly a feature -_- its a correction lol. and as i said in that thread, it didnt even bother me.

[Hecktix]

I don't think you can blame us for previous management saying no to youtube embedding.

It's here now and we were given the option to have it turned off when we changed to vB4, and we opted not to.

Again, you can't blame us for previous management saying no to the awards system, now we're in charge it's here.

[Tintinnabulate]

I'm sure if they had a serious issue with something on the forum then they would post it! :P

Like I have said, I ain't too bothered as I hate images in names anyway so I would rather they didn't exist. Just seemed majority who posted wanted it and I refer back to my auto merge idea. No one complained till I posted the idea and then everyone wanted it. Same for WC predictions.

[hah]

Funny that this should be created by a member with an obvious axe to grind, given the thread that was recently closed. Why has this suddenly became an issue? Because you lot were pissed off with a totally separate issue and wanted to moan about something else.

I asked for peoples suggestions, maybe you read you might of seen that, im not ******* moaning about anything. Im also not the main person fighting for it, i simply asked people what they though.

I suggested it to matt and oli a good while ago (not to you, didnt see a need to show you cause you only deal with staff) but didn't only did it on msn/vm. I was given the idea by another member tonight so i decided to post a thread. By i see im not allowed an opinion and whenever i have one its considered moaning so thread closed :)

You all seem to be acting like children @ mgmt
ironic that ou call members immature

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I don't think you can blame us for previous management saying no to youtube embedding.

It's here now and we were given the option to have it turned off when we changed to vB4, and we opted not to.

Again, you can't blame us for previous management saying no to the awards system, now we're in charge it's here.

ok fair enough about previous mgmt. I still dont see why this is a problem lol. its literally an upload away.. and you cant say that the current ones are nice (especially when the england flag vertical stripe is fatter!!)

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I asked for peoples suggestions, maybe you read you might of seen that, im not ******* moaning about anything. Im also not the main person fighting for it, i simply asked people what they though.

I suggested it to matt and oli a good while ago (not to you, didnt see a need to show you cause you only deal with staff) but didn't only did it on msn/vm. I was given the idea by another member tonight so i decided to post a thread. By i see im not allowed an opinion and whenever i have one its considered moaning so thread closed :)

You asked for the opinions of those who have purchased World Cup donator, interestingly not very many of those have replied ;).

Interestingly I am AGM for the Forum and, as such, all forum issues are at least discussed or mentioned with me before the implementation. AGMs work together as a team to improve all of Habbox's departments and although we are designated our specific departments we all like to get involved in all departments and issues as is our right as General Management. Your opinion is just fine, but when it appears to be posted or suggested for the sole reason of criticising the Forum Manager and has little (or no) support from those whom it directly affects I struggle to see how valid a suggestion it is.

Oli does an excellent job as Forum Manager and I can't help but feel he has been heavily but unnecessarily criticised this evening. You, earlier in the thread, suggested Oli only opposed this idea on the basis of the fact he created the images. On the contrary, he opposes this idea because it does not appear to be a pressing issue and the arguments presented appears to be the opinion of those who have something against Management as a whole or Oli as an individual. As I said, if this was established as a pressing and and overriding issue we would be more than willing to address it.