Your votes please

[Tintinnabulate]

If a manager was to make a racist comment towards you, what would you like? Them getting fired or not?

Suppose a manager said:

{user} is a ****

or any other racist remarks towards you.

Would you be happy if they just got let off with a warning because its just "one word" - especially considering they are a manager and should be setting an example?

Remember, staff have been fired instantly before for being rude (doesn't matter which management it was under).

I want to know the members opinions.

If you vote no, please explain why.

[Special]

proably not if they only did it once maybe if they did it twice or more

i wouldn't be bothered enough to care imho lol

[Tintinnabulate]

proably not if they only did it once maybe if they did it twice or more

i wouldn't be bothered enough to care imho lol

Yeah but this manager has a history of being rude anyway and childish.

[Nixt]

If the member of staff had not been rude in the past (to our knowledge - which is the important thing, we can only warn for what we know), did it in a whisper, on the Habbo client, to someone else and not directly at anyone and then it was caught in a screen shot, and sent to another individual probably because the person who took the screen shot knew it would cause trouble then no... can't say I would fire 'em.

Random hypothetical situation, of course ;-)

[jackass]

I voted no, BUT, this is very unacceptable behaviour in my opinion, especially for a manager, so if it was posted on the forum, directly at the person, then perhaps they should get fired, but it all depends on the situation..

But a serious warning would be suitable in certain I think, if it was just a one-time thing.

EDIT; This is for on the forum by the way, if it's otherwise, I think it should be more lenient.

[Tintinnabulate]

If the member of staff had not been rude in the past (to our knowledge - which is the important thing, we can only warn for what we know), did it in a whisper, on the Habbo client, to someone else and not directly at anyone and then it was caught in a screen shot, and sent to another individual probably because the person who took the screen shot knew it would cause trouble then no... can't say I would fire 'em.

Random hypothetical situation, of course ;-)

Considering they are a manager of that room, they should not be making such comments. If I am even slightly rude, I get kicked. No previous record? Unban my previous account and I will send you copies of about 10 PM exchanges complaining about the users behaviour with screenshot proofs.

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Not to mention if I was staff and made racist comments towards a user, I would be fired instantly.

And saying the racism is just "one word" is pathetic. The one word is the main thing :S.

[brodeo]

yes, although the position isn't exactly like a real life job if habbox wishes to portray a professional image they should follow a professional procedure.

[Tintinnabulate]

It seems atleast one manager has voiced their opinion publicly and voted Yes as they clearly realise its a serious rule break.

I asked many other managers on MSN if they would expect people to be fired for it and they said yes. Hopefully they will vote here too.

[Hecktix]

If it was a member of my department and they made such comments on the forum Id ensure they were gone. However the forum and Habbo are completely different and of course Habbo evidence can be faked.

I would fire them if they had previous but a severe warning should definitely be on the cards, but in this case it looks like the person who showed you, Saurav is just trying to cause trouble.

[Tintinnabulate]

If it was a member of my department and they made such comments on the forum Id ensure they were gone. However the forum and Habbo are completely different and of course Habbo evidence can be faked.

I would fire them if they had previous but a severe warning should definitely be on the cards, but in this case it looks like the person who showed you, Saurav is just trying to cause trouble.

I am trying to cause trouble or the person who showed me is trying to cause trouble? :P

Doesnt matter if it was on Habbo. The manager's department is habbo based and that room is their department. The manager or the GM/AGM have not said its fake. The staff rules state you can be fired for stuff you say on the Habbo Client and even MSN.

[Hecktix]

Oh **** sorry I meant the person who showed you haha.

[Tintinnabulate]

:P


If it was a member of my department and they made such comments on the forum Id ensure they were gone.

The staff is a manager so it should apply to them also. Giving them just a warning is useless.

[Erotica]

A warning if it was an isolated incident, but if it was something that was done often then yes I believe they should be fired.

[gangstaagent1]

Regular staff have been fired for this in the past... The manager should be setting a better example... So I imagine the manager should be fired too? They should be setting an example and if they think it is bad for staff to do it, shouldn't they be setting a better one?

[Grig]

I wouldn't tolerate such remarks, so I would either give a last and serious warning or even consider firing them. I certainly wouldn't put up with such remarks in my department either. Managers should be setting an example, not being stupid and saying such comments, no matter what department they manage etc.

[Alex3213]

I voted yes. I think there should be a "warning" if it is minor (mainly applies to being rude) or if the member of staff/manager isn't generally rude or racist. I know I wouldn't accept it because I'm 100% against racism and would rather not work with someone like that. As I said though, if their record is (almost) completely clean, unless it caused major offence they should be given a last chance.

EDIT: Just read Grig's post. To cut it short, agree with him fully.

[ihatehash]

TBH I can be quite racist in real life when talking to my friends but I would never be racist to someones face. I reckon this manager should be fired or at least demoted from manager.

[xxMATTGxx]

Interesting views. To confirm that the person did not say any messages directly to this person or has a record of such comments before.

[Inseriousity.]

Certainly, I see no reason for anyone (but especially a staff member/manager) to say 'so and so is a ****' etc. What context would make that in any way justified? If it was a shared joke between said person and staff member and they took it as a joke then that'd be okay. However, the problem with talking about someone behind their back is that these things don't always remain private as seen here, so managers/staff/members should be really careful what they say!

[Mathew]

It seems it was said behind your back too.. that makes it even worse! :P
Yeah I'd fire them. When they're constantly banging on to their staff telling them off and encouraging them to follow rules, it just makes everything go to pot when they can't set the example themselves.

Time for a couple of quotes from Lee Cockerell's book (The Great Leader Strategies)... "Remember they're always watching you, you will slip up and you will be caught" and also "setting an example is the best form of training you could ever recieve"

[Tintinnabulate]

Interesting views. To confirm that the person did not say any messages directly to this person or has a record of such comments before.

Doesn't matter if it wasn't directly. I made comments about a member to someone else via VM (and we didn't even mention names) but Forum Management gave me infractions because I did it. He broke the rules, should be fired like other staff would be - should be same treatment. People with a clean record can be perm banned for breaking one rule and I am an example of it. Seems like a different set of rules do exist for managers. Also seems 68.18% of this forum so far agrees with me... including many managers.

Once the manager reads this thread, maybe they will consider resigning which they should do.

[Catzsy]

I think maybe the poll has a flaw. Mmmmm where have I heard that before. :P :D. I would say that 'It would depend on the circumstances' should have been included so I haven't voted. I this to say, though, that word is pretty offensive but what I don't understand is why you didn't just make a complaint rather than post a thread? Racism is not tolerated on this forum from anybody and is up there with ' bullying other members'. Both are given a high priority.

[Tintinnabulate]

I think maybe the poll has a flaw. Mmmmm where have I heard that before. :P :D. I would say that 'It would depend on the circumstances' should have been included so I haven't voted. I this to say, though, that word is pretty offensive but what I don't understand is why you didn't just make a complaint rather than post a thread? Racism is not tolerated on this forum from anybody as is up there with bullying other members. Both are given a high priority.

I did make a complaint and I was told its just "one word". Thats why I wanted to ask the members (and of course other managers) to vote if they would expect a manager to be fired if a manager made racist comments towards them. The manager made the comment I put in spoilers in the first post of this thread.

[kk.]

As far as I know, if I was from Pakistan, and was called a ****, it's not offensive..

But i dunno, it depends in what type of context racist remarks are said in. What if they were called White boy, or something else. Maybe they were provoked. It would need to be looked into

[Tintinnabulate]

As far as I know, if I was from Pakistan, and was called a ****, it's not offensive..

But i dunno, it depends in what type of context racist remarks are said in. What if they were called White boy, or something else. Maybe they were provoked. It would need to be looked into

I am not from Pakistan anyway. It was said in a racist way and management have agreed on that. It wasn't provoked and that is clear too.

[kk.]

I am not from Pakistan anyway. It was said in a racist way and management have agreed on that. It wasn't provoked and that is clear too.

No, but, why have you worded the thread in this way? Asking what I would do, and stuff like that. It just sounds like you're posting this to get someone fired that you dislike. This couldve easily been posted in the complaints forum, and wasn't needed to be posted on the forum.

If this was in habbo, then I see no reason why it should affect the forum. I've never understood it. They're to completely separate things. Habbo will deal with whatever happens on their side, and we'll deal with whatevers on ours.

[Tintinnabulate]

No, but, why have you worded the thread in this way? Asking what I would do, and stuff like that. It just sounds like you're posting this to get someone fired that you dislike. This couldve easily been posted in the complaints forum, and wasn't needed to be posted on the forum.

If this was in habbo, then I see no reason why it should affect the forum. I've never understood it. They're to completely separate things. Habbo will deal with whatever happens on their side, and we'll deal with whatevers on ours.

This forum is Habbox Feedback not just for the forum.
And I am asking users if it happened to them, would they expect the manager to be fired, simple really. Just wanted to see what others think...

[kk.]

This forum is Habbox Feedback not just for the forum.
And I am asking users if it happened to them, would they expect the manager to be fired, simple really. Just wanted to see what others think...

Yeh, and it happened on habbo did it not? Habbox and habbo are two separate things, and what happens on each of them should be ignored by the other.

Have you not realised I am posting what I think. You asked for opinions but what you really wanted was for others to agree, and for the guy or gal to get fired..

[Tintinnabulate]

Yeh, and it happened on habbo did it not? Habbox and habbo are two separate things, and what happens on each of them should be ignored by the other.

Have you not realised I am posting what I think. You asked for opinions but what you really wanted was for others to agree, and for the guy or gal to get fired..

I only answered your first post to clear any doubts. The second one I explained why I posted it here? I never said I disagree with you. Habbox has a rule where staff can be fired for things they say on habbo and staff have been fired for it before.

Thanks for your posts anyway.

[FlyingJesus]

Depends on whether it's someone I like, chances are it won't be so yeah fire them


I am not from Pakistan anyway. It was said in a racist way and management have agreed on that. It wasn't provoked and that is clear too.

But this thread makes it very clear that it wasn't said to you, only about you. I tell people that other users are gay or black or whatever all the time it doesn't mean I'm abusing them

[JACKTARD]

I voted no because I believe that it depends on the context. If they meant it as a racist, degrading comment and used it to offend then yeah they should be fired but if it was just casual then I think that they shouldn't get fired. It's just like calling an aussie an aussie or an american a yank. It's just one word to describe a group of people who have turned it into a racist term. So basically, if they meant it offensively then fire them but if it was casual then leave it.

[Tintinnabulate]

Depends on whether it's someone I like, chances are it won't be so yeah fire them



But this thread makes it very clear that it wasn't said to you, only about you. I tell people that other users are gay or black or whatever all the time it doesn't mean I'm abusing them

Yes but I mean if it was clearly said in an abusive racist way and not as a joke.

Jacktard the manager I am on about meant it in a racist way, not a joke way :) Obviously even I wouldnt care if it was said as a joke.

[JACKTARD]

Jacktard the manager I am on about meant it in a racist way, not a joke way :) Obviously even I wouldnt care if it was said as a joke.

Well if it was meant offensively then surely they should be dealt with accordingly? Not really sure if that means just a warning or fired in a situation like this one.

[FlyingJesus]

Just had a look at the managers list because I couldn't name them these days (kinda shows how small a presence most of them are on here) and can safely say that the one in question ought to be fired because none of them are anything special to me anyway.

[-paul.]

depends the level. If its very loosely or has been taken the wrong way then no. But everyone has a different view on racism and how big different things are. for example i know people who take someone calling us a Brit is racism as they are putting all people in the UK under one name. Different people see different things are racist and not

[HotelUser]

In a perfect world. Yet moderation on Habbo has taken a turn for the worst and continues to decline since the removal of hobbas and merging hotels. Catching scammers is no longer a priority, and in a case like this no punishment would be given as the incident was over whisper. Therefore in a moderators perspective isolated and harmless. Every official fansite has to have some varient of staff with rights in their fansite room, whether it be a department specifically tailored to the task or the fansite's the general staff body. Extremely inconvenient though nesessary in most all situations.

In this scenario if a staffmember of my department made an inappropriate comment I would discuss the situation with garion and Roxy and (as has happened in the past) the staffmember would most likely be dismissed. What makes this a tricky situation is that it was reported to general management with the single intent of causing trouble and public reaction. That completely undermines the purpose of Habbox accepting complaints which is that users complain wanting staffmembers to make decisions in what the complaining user believes to be in the best interest of Habbox.

An official warning, and public apology towards the "victim" from the department represented by the manager in question is what I think is fair. You also have to keep in mind, that a manager leaving always has an affect on their department too.


Yeh, and it happened on habbo did it not? Habbox and habbo are two separate things, and what happens on each of them should be ignored by the other.

Have you not realised I am posting what I think. You asked for opinions but what you really wanted was for others to agree, and for the guy or gal to get fired..

[Tintinnabulate]

In this scenario if a staffmember of my department made an inappropriate comment I would discuss the situation with garion and Roxy and (as has happened in the past) the staffmember would most likely be dismissed. What makes this a tricky situation is that it was reported to general management with the single intent of causing trouble and public reaction. That completely undermines the purpose of Habbox accepting complaints which is that users complain wanting staffmembers to make decisions in what the complaining user believes to be in the best interest of Habbox.

If you were copied into the PMs sent to General Management, you will see it was sent as a complaint and accepted as one - so please stop presuming stuff. It was not sent with the single intent of causing trouble. The manager made a disgraceful comment and general management didn't take the appropriate action towards this manager. This is why I asked the members of this forum and managers what they would have expected to happen.

Do I want this manager to resign / get fired? Of course I do. They don't deserve to be one.

[HotelUser]

If you were copied into the PMs sent to General Management, you will see it was sent as a complaint and accepted as one - so please stop presuming stuff. It was not sent with the single intent of causing trouble. The manager made a disgraceful comment and general management didn't take the appropriate action towards this manager. This is why I asked the members of this forum and managers what they would have expected to happen.

Do I want this manager to resign / get fired? Of course I do. They don't deserve to be one.

Why would I be included in a staff discipline PM between another manager and general management? Additionally you're not given everyone all the information about this situation, as Garion and Rosie have already pointed out. Where is the "depending on circumstances" option?

[Tintinnabulate]

Why would I be included in a staff discipline PM between another manager and general management? Additionally you're not giving everyone all the information about this situation, as Garion and Rosie have already pointed out. Where is the "depending on circumstances" option?

Then why did you presume that I sent it with the single intent of causing trouble?? :S :S You just admitted you had no clue what the PMs said and then you make ridiculous comments?

Depending on circumstances? The manager made a racist comment and not in a joke way and that comment can be seen in my first post.

[dogboy123]

I'm gonna come clean, it was me that said them.

We all make mistakes when we're angry, upset or annoyed with someone and at that time I was. what I said was totally out of order and shouldn't have been said. I totally regret saying what I said, and admit that I got carried away. I'm not here to defend myself or shift the blame but the person that sent you this is trying to get back at me for something I called them that has nothing to do with this. As you can see it was a few months ago and I've learnt not to be rude to people. This person want's me to get fired and wants me to get into trouble so they decided to complain about what I said. Yes I'm considering resigning and totally regret what I said but we all make mistakes.

[HotelUser]

Then why did you presume that I sent it with the single intent of causing trouble?? :S :S You just admitted you had no clue what the PMs said and then you make ridiculous comments?

Depending on circumstances? The manager made a racist comment and not in a joke way and that comment can be seen in my first post.

Were you not a recipient of the screenshot yourself? I was under the impression that you were not called those things directly.

Yes depending on circumstances. I can't tell if the manager was having a lose casual conversation or was genuinely in the room hating on you. I don't know if you've previously instigated the manager prior to the screenshot or they had a plausible motive to say the racist remark otherwise. Additionally the manager hasn't replied to this thread giving any sort of defence.

[Tintinnabulate]

Yes I'm considering resigning

:)
Seems like the majority of the forum expect you to too.


Were you not a recipient of the screenshot yourself? I was under the impression that you were not called those things directly.

Yes depending on circumstances. I can't tell if the manager was having a lose casual conversation or was genuinely in the room hating on you. I don't know if you've previously instigated the manager prior to the screenshot or they had a plausible motive to say the racist remark otherwise. Additionally the manager hasn't replied to this thread giving any sort of defence.

The screen shot was passed onto me, yes. I have said several times the comment was not made in a jokey way but in an offensive manner.

[dogboy123]

It was in a jokey manor, seeing as the other user also was making jokes about that.

[Shar]

Were you not a recipient of the screenshot yourself? I was under the impression that you were not called those things directly.

Yes depending on circumstances. I can't tell if the manager was having a lose casual conversation or was genuinely in the room hating on you. I don't know if you've previously instigated the manager prior to the screenshot or they had a plausible motive to say the racist remark otherwise. Additionally the manager hasn't replied to this thread giving any sort of defence.
I disagree with this totally. Under all circumstances it is wrong to make a racist comment, direct or indirect. If I made such a comment, I can guarantee that I would be warned right away, and probably fired by yourself and Ben.

[Tintinnabulate]

First you say


We all make mistakes when we're angry, upset or annoyed with someone and at that time I was. what I said was totally out of order and shouldn't have been said.

and then...


It was in a jokey manor, seeing as the other user also was making jokes about that.

Doesn't matter what the other user was saying - actually I cant see anything the other user said which was offensive. If everyone starts spamming the forum, I guess you might aswell as others are as well :rolleyes:

Anyway, I disagreed with Managements decision to not instantly fire dogboy123, hence I wanted to see what other managers, staff and forum members would have expected and it seems majority (including HxHD staff) would have wanted him fired.
There is no real need for this thread and would appreciate it if Management close it. Thank you to all who voted.

[dogboy123]

Such a shame for me to resign over 1stupid comment

[xxMATTGxx]

This has gone on long enough now, thanks for everyone who posted/voted and whatever else!

Thread Closed.