5 reasons not to buy the iPhone 4

[arwor]

According to Yahoo finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/109896/5-big-blemishes-for-the-apple-iphone-4) there is a few shortcomings with new iPhone 4. I think that iPhone 4 is the best one in his category. Go Apple!!!

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[MrPinkPanther]

There are some issues at the moment so I'd probably hold off for awhile until they're fixed but I do prefer the iPhone to Android and the other competitors :)

[Muct]

8 MegaPixel camera and I would have pre-ordered the iPhone 4 str8 away...

[Jordy]

If you buy a phone based on the number of mega-pixels you're nothing short of an idiot. Lots of megapixels can often be a good thing, but things with less megapixels can often take much better and more clearer photos.

For example the 3MP camera on the iPhone 3GS takes far better photos than a Samsung's 5MP camera.

[Muct]

If you buy a phone based on the number of mega-pixels you're nothing short of an idiot. Lots of megapixels can often be a good thing, but things with less megapixels can often take much better and more clearer photos.

For example the 3MP camera on the iPhone 3GS takes far better photos than a Samsung's 5MP camera.

Never said I totally buy phones based on MP... I just see no point moving up from 3GS to 4 when they can't even bother atleast trying to get a much better camera, sure they have video calls now, but like the link says, that's EXTREMELY limited too... See no point in moving up tbh :S

[HotelUser]

I'm sure I'd be happy with an iPhone 4G. I use a Nexus One and I love that, but I've used and like my friends 3G.

[danzooo]

I don't care. I'm still getting one.

[Recursion]

I'm sure I'd be happy with an iPhone 4G. I use a Nexus One and I love that, but I've used and like my friends 3G.

*iPhone 4... no 4G in it.

[HotelUser]

*iPhone 4... no 4G in it.

Sorry, I have thoughts of the evo on my mind!

[GommeInc]

Sorry, I have thoughts of the evo on my mind!
Not your fault really, Apple advertised it as the 4G for some reason at the beginning, if I remember correctly?

Swype is awesome, but I'm not sure that's not a reason to not get it.

[Muct]

3GS are only $75 in WalMart, and I'm going Florida very soon ;o

xxxxxxx Yeh... I might just get both tbh, incase one fails, I mean, like what... £45? Not that much for a spare Phone! :D
But yeah, 3GS are now only $75now in WalMart! :O

[HotelUser]

3GS are only $75 in WalMart, and I'm going Florida very soon ;o

xxxxxxx Yeh... I might just get both tbh, incase one fails, I mean, like what... £45? Not that much for a spare Phone! :D
But yeah, 3GS are now only $75now in WalMart! :O

Really only that much? How long would a contract for that be though?


Not your fault really, Apple advertised it as the 4G for some reason at the beginning, if I remember correctly?

Swype is awesome, but I'm not sure that's not a reason to not get it.

I still think of Apple products with a generation, it is my fault :P

[Special]

i don't need to click that link to know the reasons not to but one lol

[Muct]

i don't need to click that link to know the reasons not to but one lol
LOOOOOOOOOOL :D

Btw, your phone is like the best anyway... :D Saw it on P&Photography... :D

OT: I don't think it'll be as good as th 3GS in all, but yeah...

[Special]

LOOOOOOOOOOL :D

Btw, your phone is like the best anyway... :D Saw it on P&Photography... :D

OT: I don't think it'll be as good as th 3GS in all, but yeah...

omg i know with all the lush stickers (k)

[Jordy]

Never said I totally buy phones based on MP... I just see no point moving up from 3GS to 4 when they can't even bother atleast trying to get a much better camera, sure they have video calls now, but like the link says, that's EXTREMELY limited too... See no point in moving up tbh :SSeeing as you were basing your purchase on the Megapixels of the phone, it would suggest you do by your phones based on MP.

They have greatly improved the camera on the iPhone 4, it's gone from 3.2MP on the 3GS to 5MP on the iPhone 4. This allows 720p recording (High definition). It also has an LED Flash and illuminated sensor for taking photos in the dark which are both new additions to the phone (Admittedly they're nothing new on other phones but for the iPhone they are). It also has a camera on the front now too and to be honest, no one even does video calling so I wouldn't let that bother you :P

[StefanWolves]

Not had any of these problems with my iPhone 4 that I got this morning. Most of the problems reported are only slight hitches, e.g. moisture under the screen which will go away within no time. I would advise anyone who is thinking of getting one of these, to get one. They're an amazing piece of technology.

[Recursion]

Not had any of these problems with my iPhone 4 that I got this morning. Most of the problems reported are only slight hitches, e.g. moisture under the screen which will go away within no time. I would advise anyone who is thinking of getting one of these, to get one. They're an amazing piece of technology.

It's a phone.

[StefanWolves]

It's a phone.

Ohh slight tinge of jealousy?

[xxMATTGxx]

Ohh slight tinge of jealousy?

How would he be jealous when he has the phone he wants?

[Oleh]

The iphone isnt as good as people make out.. only reason everybody bums it is because of the app store.. any phone can have that if the company was dedicated enough. that really is the only feature whats unique and android is catching onto the idea.

[myke]

not one bloody thread can be posted in tech without a ***** fit. ;l

meh, it's an alright looking phone but obvs it has it's drawbacks and I think it was slightly rushed to get it released :o

[MrPinkPanther]

The iphone isnt as good as people make out.. only reason everybody bums it is because of the app store.. any phone can have that if the company was dedicated enough. that really is the only feature whats unique and android is catching onto the idea.

But the fact is they don't have it. Creating a store as large as the Appstore is no easy task, its driven purely by third party developers and until Android overtakes the iPhone/iPad/iPod Touches userbase by a considerable margin developers won't be as attracted to the platform as they are iOS. Its an endless cycle as it were. People buy iPhones because of the Appstores size but Android can't get a store as large until more people start buying Android devices. Look at it from the developers perspective, do they develop for a platform with standardised devices and a large userbase or a platform with devices with a wide variety of different specs (making it harder both to develop and test) and a smaller userbase? We also shouldn't neglect the fact that Android devices are usually cheaper. The sort of people who buy an iPhone can afford to shell out on expensive and flash applications and whilst this is of course true for many Android owners I don't think it's in the same kind of league. Many fairly average phones run android now, the owners of which may not be so interested in the application store.

Just my two cents :)

[Sameer!]

mhmm, thanks for the link. I'll go over it.

[Describe]

If you buy a phone based on the number of mega-pixels you're nothing short of an idiot. Lots of megapixels can often be a good thing, but things with less megapixels can often take much better and more clearer photos.

For example the 3MP camera on the iPhone 3GS takes far better photos than a Samsung's 5MP camera.
I know what you're saying Jordy and I agree with the statement you've made but I must defend the Sony Ericsson Satio 12.1MP camera because it's nothing short of brilliant.

@Topic: Yeah, I wouldn't rush in and buy it the first day it came out. Give it a good few weeks for the consumer to lobby Apple with their complaints about technical difficulties with the phone and then give Apple time to fix the errors.

[danzooo]

Mines arrived this afternoon and I'm just waiting on the micro sim to be activated. And whoever said "it's a phone", surely a mobile phone is a piece of technology? it's the same as saying a car is an automobile :rolleyes:

[Robbie]

3GS are only $75 in WalMart, and I'm going Florida very soon ;o

xxxxxxx Yeh... I might just get both tbh, incase one fails, I mean, like what... £45? Not that much for a spare Phone! :D
But yeah, 3GS are now only $75now in WalMart! :O


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[MrPinkPanther]

I know what you're saying Jordy and I agree with the statement you've made but I must defend the Sony Ericsson Satio 12.1MP camera because it's nothing short of brilliant.

Yeah, I think its a mix of both Megapixels and other factors. Megapixels play a central role but a Camera is only as good as its lense. I can say for sure that the 3GS takes better pictures than my 5MP Phone but equally my old 3.2 Megapixel camera takes better photos than them all. It all depends on the overall specs.


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Theres really no need for this. He was completely on topic and simply misunderstood something which lets be honest is quite easy to do considering they advertise it as $75 phone.

[GommeInc]

But the fact is they don't have it. Creating a store as large as the Appstore is no easy task, its driven purely by third party developers and until Android overtakes the iPhone/iPad/iPod Touches userbase by a considerable margin developers won't be as attracted to the platform as they are iOS. Its an endless cycle as it were. People buy iPhones because of the Appstores size but Android can't get a store as large until more people start buying Android devices. Look at it from the developers perspective, do they develop for a platform with standardised devices and a large userbase or a platform with devices with a wide variety of different specs (making it harder both to develop and test) and a smaller userbase? We also shouldn't neglect the fact that Android devices are usually cheaper. The sort of people who buy an iPhone can afford to shell out on expensive and flash applications and whilst this is of course true for many Android owners I don't think it's in the same kind of league. Many fairly average phones run android now, the owners of which may not be so interested in the application store.

Just my two cents :)
Quite a lot of simple people buy iPhones too, and the sheer popularity is a contributing factor, so you cannot mark Android as an OS for simple people because it appears on "cheaper" devices, when not all simple people buy cheap products - cars are an example, loads buy these cars with amazing features but never use them :P

Android is growing by leaps and bounds, and a lot of App developers create Apps for all types of phones to maximise growth and income, and seeing as it's blatantly obvious Android isn't going anywhere, it's wise of them to do this. Obviously smaller companies may stay with just the one OS, but that's not true for all of them. Heck, Apple saw the fear of these free apps coming about, which is why they created iAds or whatever crappy named feature they brought in recently.

Besides, Android brings in creativity. Alot of these apps and widgets (widgets obviously being a unique feature to the OS and phones), are based around customising the device - home screens and so forth, something you don't really get with iPhones as far as I can tell, and don't forget alot of apps aren't even in the marketplace :P Swype is the main one, and that's in BETA form, and quite a few games are distributed from the developers website.

[MrGazet]

I like the design of the iPhone 4 :)

I feel quite regretful for buying my N900 too fast ;'(

[Recursion]

Ohh slight tinge of jealousy?

I knew a new iPhone was coming out in June and yet I still went with my HTC Desire... uhh if that's jelousy then I dunno what is!

[StefanWolves]

Don't worry I'd be jealous

[Recursion]

Why would I be jelous? I have a completely open phone I can develop on for free with an awesome OS with an awesome UI over the top of it which a completely open app store where nothing is censored. Ill have the same 720p video recording with 2.2 FroYo and I know ill be able to get every single feature in at least 3 more future OS upgrades, what is there to be jelous of? ;)

Camera problems, reception problems, screen problems, stock problems, what next?!?!

Oh also, I'm not locked down to the terrible resource hog of a program that is iTunes.

Pwnt :P

[MrPinkPanther]

Quite a lot of simple people buy iPhones too, and the sheer popularity is a contributing factor, so you cannot mark Android as an OS for simple people because it appears on "cheaper" devices, when not all simple people buy cheap products - cars are an example, loads buy these cars with amazing features but never use them :P.
I agree and as I say its a generalisation but its also true. To follow on with your car analogy a person who buys a Ferarri is more likely to pay for extras than someone who buys a bog standard Vauxhall no? I think the same approach is taken to the Appstore which is exactly why there have been over 5 Billion Downloads since launch and why even now it is still growing faster than the Android market.


Android is growing by leaps and bounds, and a lot of App developers create Apps for all types of phones to maximise growth and income, and seeing as it's blatantly obvious Android isn't going anywhere, it's wise of them to do this. Obviously smaller companies may stay with just the one OS, but that's not true for all of them. Heck, Apple saw the fear of these free apps coming about, which is why they created iAds or whatever crappy named feature they brought in recently.

Some companies will build on multiple OS's that is true but thats exactly the same as Windows and OSX. OSX doesn't have anywhere near the same kind of support as Windows, just like Android doesn't match the Apple appstore. I by no means think Android is a bad operating system but when people come in and slam the iPhone I think it frankly makes them look a bit naive. The iPhone is overpriced, undoubtably, but it can do a great deal more than any Android device because of the kind of support it has. When Android overtakes the iPhone in terms of support I do think it will be the superior platform, at the moment? No way!



Besides, Android brings in creativity. Alot of these apps and widgets (widgets obviously being a unique feature to the OS and phones), are based around customising the device - home screens and so forth, something you don't really get with iPhones as far as I can tell, and don't forget alot of apps aren't even in the marketplace :P Swype is the main one, and that's in BETA form, and quite a few games are distributed from the developers website.
At first I was sceptical of the iPhones inability to multitask but after a couple of years of working with the OS I've realised it was actually a smart move and I'm not too keen on the iOS4 Multitasking. From a developers perspective it makes memory management much more difficult because it not only gives you less memory to allocate from the heap but the amount of available memory will vary greatly depending on what else the user is running.



Why would I be jelous? I have a completely open phone I can develop on for free with an awesome OS with an awesome UI over the top of it which a completely open app store where nothing is censored. Ill have the same 720p video recording with 2.2 FroYo and I know ill be able to get every single feature in at least 3 more future OS upgrades, what is there to be jelous of? ;)

Camera problems, reception problems, screen problems, stock problems, what next?!?!

Oh also, I'm not locked down to the terrible resource hog of a program that is iTunes.

Pwnt :P

Nothing is censored? So why do they have a Market policy and why did they pull all tethering apps from the Market just a couple of months ago? Android is censored just like every other market place. Sure its more open than the Apple Appstore, I don't deny that but the things you can do extra are minor and often make the device run worse as I described in multi-tasking above.

As for your device, you have a device that will suffer from more compatibility issues with applications than any iPhone will. In my opinion one of the worst moves Apple made was in changing the resolution of the iPhone but even then you only have 2 different kinds of devices compared to the hundreds of Android devices.

[xxMATTGxx]

Why would I be jelous? I have a completely open phone I can develop on for free with an awesome OS with an awesome UI over the top of it which a completely open app store where nothing is censored. Ill have the same 720p video recording with 2.2 FroYo and I know ill be able to get every single feature in at least 3 more future OS upgrades, what is there to be jelous of? ;)

Camera problems, reception problems, screen problems, stock problems, what next?!?!

Oh also, I'm not locked down to the terrible resource hog of a program that is iTunes.

Pwnt :P

I don't even have an HTC Desire and the older HTC Hero and I'm not jealous of the iPhone. :S

I can't believe people are making out us Android people are jealous lmao...

[MrPinkPanther]

I can't believe people are making out us Android people are jealous lmao...

I'm not and I'd be more likely to buy an Android device than I would an iPhone but I still think its inferior, the only reason I would purchase an Android smartphone would be because of the price differences.

[Recursion]

Nothing is censored? So why do they have a Market policy and why did they pull all tethering apps from the Market just a couple of months ago? Android is censored just like every other market place. Sure its more open than the Apple Appstore, I don't deny that but the things you can do extra are minor and often make the device run worse as I described in multi-tasking above.

As for your device, you have a device that will suffer from more compatibility issues with applications than any iPhone will. In my opinion one of the worst moves Apple made was in changing the resolution of the iPhone but even then you only have 2 different kinds of devices compared to the hundreds of Android devices.

:rolleyes:

http://skitch.*****.co.uk/tetherproof.png

And how did they get around the different screen resolutions? XML-based UIs, sorted.

EDIT: Oh look...

http://skitch.*****.co.uk/iphonetether.PNG

[MrPinkPanther]

:rolleyes:

http://skitch.*****.co.uk/tetherproof.png

They reinstated them later on apart from on the TMobile network in the US. My point is you can't claim its not censored when Google have censored it several times.



And how did they get around the different screen resolutions? XML-based UIs, sorted.
UI's yes but firstly thats not all graphics and secondly all of the specs are drastically different. Lets just take one example shall we? Inputs. Android devices can have a variety of different inputs, nothings standardised. Accelerometers, Touchscreens, Multitouch, Hardware buttons, Gyroscopes, Cameras, Pressure sensors, Infared, Bluetooth just to name a few. Its impossible to develop an application that will work with all of the different kinds of inputs which is why its much easier to utilise the features of the iPhone. If I build an application based on the Accelerometer and multitouch screen I can have the confidence that it will across all devices and look good on all of them, I could never have that with Android unless theres something I've missed?

[HotelUser]

Most android devices are accelerometer enabled with touchscreens. Hardware buttons change nothing, and any phone made in the past five years has infared and bluetooth. Games work in a variety of custom resolutions too because of the nature of developing with a dynamically expandable display resolution which the ADK is all about. They've gotten Sense UI working on a QVGA htc vogue. You can't say there's graphically imposed limitations due to the software, because there's not.


They reinstated them later on apart from on the TMobile network in the US. My point is you can't claim its not censored when Google have censored it several times.


UI's yes but firstly thats not all graphics and secondly all of the specs are drastically different. Lets just take one example shall we? Inputs. Android devices can have a variety of different inputs, nothings standardised. Accelerometers, Touchscreens, Multitouch, Hardware buttons, Gyroscopes, Cameras, Pressure sensors, Infared, Bluetooth just to name a few. Its impossible to develop an application that will work with all of the different kinds of inputs which is why its much easier to utilise the features of the iPhone. If I build an application based on the Accelerometer and multitouch screen I can have the confidence that it will across all devices and look good on all of them, I could never have that with Android unless theres something I've missed?

Android allows torrent clients, wifi teathering, adult applications, VOIP apps, tunnelling and proxies. If you're seriously going to complain about the restrictions on Android's market don't even touch the iPhone because it's 10000000x worse.

[Recursion]

They reinstated them later on apart from on the TMobile network in the US. My point is you can't claim its not censored when Google have censored it several times.


UI's yes but firstly thats not all graphics and secondly all of the specs are drastically different. Lets just take one example shall we? Inputs. Android devices can have a variety of different inputs, nothings standardised. Accelerometers, Touchscreens, Multitouch, Hardware buttons, Gyroscopes, Cameras, Pressure sensors, Infared, Bluetooth just to name a few. Its impossible to develop an application that will work with all of the different kinds of inputs which is why its much easier to utilise the features of the iPhone. If I build an application based on the Accelerometer and multitouch screen I can have the confidence that it will across all devices and look good on all of them, I could never have that with Android unless theres something I've missed?

It's not a fantastic solution, ill admit that, but it's up to the developer which Devices they want their app to run on (they can emulate different devices using the Android Emulator in the SDK) and the Market actively filters our Applications that aren't compatible with your device, I guess you could count this as a sort of censorship but nowhere near on a scale like Apple's.

And +REP to HotelUser for pretty much suming it all up :P

http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html

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[MrPinkPanther]

Most android devices are accelerometer enabled with touchscreens. Hardware buttons change nothing, and any phone made in the past five years has infared and bluetooth.
MOST may have accelerometers and touch screens but certainly not all so for maximum exposure you would need to develop a number of different control methods. It's all extra wasted development time. What about other features..err..say like multitouch? A wide array of devices aren't going to have it so as an app developer I can't utilise it within my application without cutting off half of my market. To develop and application for Android not only takes longer in development time but it takes longer to research and maintain. As an iPhone Dev I can say, yep 100% of devices have multitouch, on Android I would need to look up lots of devices to find the optimum control solution supported across as many as possible. Again I would need to regularly check this to make sure it works with what up to date Android devices are providing. With the iphone you only have to do this once a year. The beauty of the iPhone is that they are manufactured by Apple so the core insides remain consistent throughout with new things occasionally added such as the Gyroscope.


Games work in a variety of custom resolutions too because of the nature of developing with a dynamically expandable display resolution which the ADK is all about. They've gotten Sense UI working on a QVGA htc vogue. You can't say there's graphically imposed limitations due to the software, because there's not.
But surely if I develop a 2D pixel based application I have 2 options, to stretch the images making them look distorted or to allow the user to see things that they were never intended to see originally?


Android allows torrent clients, wifi teathering, adult applications, VOIP apps, tunnelling and proxies. If you're seriously going to complain about the restrictions on Android's market don't even touch the iPhone because it's 10000000x worse.

The iPhone does have censorship. For sure. I've never denied that. But he said that the Android Market has no censorship which just isn't true.


Loads of posts merged by Bolt660 (Forum Super Moderator): Caused by Lots of Lag. :D

[StefanWolves]

Haha. Dw I'll add my two pennies worth regarding certain users when I get back home on my laptop. :)

[Recursion]

But surely if I develop a 2D pixel based application I have 2 options, to stretch the images making them look distorted or to allow the user to see things that they were never intended to see originally?

Or create the space in which the game is playable bigger... you don't create an Application on a PC or Mac for one resolution, why should it be any different on a phone? ;)

[Jordy]

Hitler is now upset his iPhone has poor signal it seems...
http://vimeo.com/12858526

One for the android fanboys too i guess xD

[HotelUser]

MOST may have accelerometers and touch screens but certainly not all so for maximum exposure you would need to develop a number of different control methods. It's all extra wasted development time. What about other features..err..say like multitouch? A wide array of devices aren't going to have it so as an app developer I can't utilise it within my application without cutting off half of my market. To develop and application for Android not only takes longer in development time but it takes longer to research and maintain. As an iPhone Dev I can say, yep 100% of devices have multitouch, on Android I would need to look up lots of devices to find the optimum control solution supported across as many as possible. Again I would need to regularly check this to make sure it works with what up to date Android devices are providing. With the iphone you only have to do this once a year. The beauty of the iPhone is that they are manufactured by Apple so the core insides remain consistent throughout with new things occasionally added such as the Gyroscope.
As an iPhone developer you have to use a Mac and code in completely ******ed objective-C. It's easier to develop in Android. You get an option of using an XML or object based GUI for the user and if a developer develops an app with multitouch then it will still work with one touchpoint in a single touch device so I'm not sure why you're using that flawed example :S




But surely if I develop a 2D pixel based application I have 2 options, to stretch the images making them look distorted or to allow the user to see things that they were never intended to see originally?

Wrong. Google search robo defense.


The iPhone does have censorship. For sure. I've never denied that. But he said that the Android Market has no censorship which just isn't true.


The heck it does, and a ton more than it's Android counterparts!

[CrackSplat]

I would love to have the IPhone, my phone is whack: Sony Ericsson w350a :S

[HotelUser]

I would love to have the IPhone, my phone is whack: Sony Ericsson w350a :S

In the current phone market that doesn't qualify :P

[Sameer!]

Was thinking of gettign the iPhone 4, but reading all these complaints and stuff I may have to change my mind...

[Flisker]

Was thinking of gettign the iPhone 4, but reading all these complaints and stuff I may have to change my mind...
I'd say get a HTC Desire :) Great phone!

[Recursion]

I'd say get a HTC Desire :) Great phone!

Agreed xD

[lolwut]

Don't know about anyone else but I'm waiting for a few months (i.e. September) to see if Apple produce a fix for the "death grip" problem people are having.
I find it outrageous that Apple don't really care about it, and are instead just telling everyone to deal with it.
Okay, I'll deal with it... By not buying one in the first place :)

[StefanWolves]

They've just released a letter stating it's a formulae problem regarding the signal bar indicator and that they're releasing a fix within the next dew weeks.

[Latour]

Assuming I understood that pr they just issued, this update won't solve the problem I don't think. Right now, when you grip the phone in the wrong spot, it drops from 4 bars to 0, once they issue the software patch, the phone will instead drop from 2 bars to 0, since right now it's showing 4 instead of 2, which is the correct reading.

I don't see how that's going to fix anything, either way if you grip the phone in that spot, it's dropping to 0 (or very weak reception).

Engadget's post about it (http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/apple-iphone-4-reception-problems-a-software-issue-fix-coming)

I was planning on getting the iPhone 4 when it arrived in Canada, but with this issue, there's not a chance. If they don't have it fixed (which really, can software updates really fix something that happens when you touch the antenna?) i'll be jumping onto the Android bandwagon. The Samsung Galaxy S looks wonderful.

[StefanWolves]

It's not even that bad. I haven't even got it on mine. It's just the media making more out of it than it actually is.

[GommeInc]

It's not even that bad. I haven't even got it on mine. It's just the media making more out of it than it actually is.
But it is true though, loads of people with it are complaining. It may not be "that bad", but it's still a problem. And the assistance is as usually lousy.

[StefanWolves]

But it is true though, loads of people with it are complaining. It may not be "that bad", but it's still a problem. And the assistance is as usually lousy.
Apple assistance, lousy? did I just hear that correct...

[GommeInc]

Apple assistance, lousy? did I just hear that correct...
Have you been in a hole? You don't really get an answer, you just get excuses :/ The assistance of broken products like a cracked screen and then taking it to the Apple Store is good, but when something goes teets up they try to make you look stupid by giving you half-baked excuses. It happens alot when they do not know the answer. :P

[Kieran]

Have you been in a hole? You don't really get an answer, you just get excuses :/ The assistance of broken products like a cracked screen and then taking it to the Apple Store is good, but when something goes teets up they try to make you look stupid by giving you half-baked excuses. It happens alot when they do not know the answer. :P

Thats because they have been given a script to read about the antenna problem.

[Recursion]

They've just released a letter stating it's a formulae problem regarding the signal bar indicator and that they're releasing a fix within the next dew weeks.

Yes, because every country the iPhone is in has exceedingly poor reception :rolleyes:

This formula is a total cover up.

[StefanWolves]

Yes, because every country the iPhone is in has exceedingly poor reception :rolleyes:

This formula is a total cover up.
http://xsellize.com/topic/72289-consumer-reports-signal-issues-not-unique-iphone-4-no-reason-not-to-buy/page__pid__433813#entry433813

I'll just direct you their