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Last time i made a thread telling competitions to improve their quality of competitions etc and they said they would but they didnt so i don't even know why I'm bothering make this lol.
Lets start of with your wonderful world cup event. Im just gonna re-post what i said in the other thread.
I count 64 names there of people who entered.
http://rbguides.com/screenshots/5e8e7b30.png
http://rbguides.com/screenshots/d9d3c28c.png
Now lets look and see who entered these super fun competitions :rolleyes:
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=650163 - 13/64
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=649957 - 8/64
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=645190 - 10/64
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=650170 - 17/64
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=649380 - 20/64
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=649514 - 21/64
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=649580 - 16/64
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=645163 - 16/64
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=650343 - 7/64
Less than a third of people didn't enter the competitions. That isn't very good. I got the answer "we didn't expect most of the people to enter" sorry but what a load of ********, people wouldn't have put their names down if they didn't wanna take part, i entered the first competition and i even remember comments in the thread asking where they serious. I didn't bother entering the rest because they all looked depressing and boring as hell.
The images you use for the competitions. Seriously they are tacky as hell, i mentioned this five months ago and the manager says they are still working on it? lol, very efficient. It takes the same amount of time to go to http://habboemotion.com/ and get an habbo related image or http://habbofansite.net/fontgen/ and make a nice header for their competitions, but that would probably ruin their tacky boring image and they wouldn't want that.
Most of the competitions are also boring, hence why less than a third of people entered the world cup competitions. I was told by ex-staff that they dont like simple competitions like guess the lyrics, anagrams, hiding images around the forum and making people find them, mixing up celeb faces and making people guess them. Instead there are hundreds and hundreds of boring ones like "the history of the world cup" and "which food best describes you" seriouly, these things belong in the general category not the competition forum.
The manager says im the only person who thinks all these things are wrong with competitions and that the competitions are not boring. So can you vote in the poll and tell me what you think of the things i've talked about and the suggestions i've made.
Obviously competitions staff can't vote in the poll
Tintinnabulate
30-06-2010, 11:17 AM
I joined the competitions department to bring more competitions like the ones you stated, i.e. word searches, fill up a jar with 2p coins and get people to guess how much money was in there, anagrams and just general simple ones. Its because I agree with you that I hate - and I have said this before - long boring ones. Quizzes are not bad either as long as they aren't super hard.
The competitions staff have to make their own images and the guide unfortunately doesn't tell them any links you have put in your post, which is a big shame as after looking at HabboFansite.net, its awesome.
I have voted no in your poll.
I joined the competitions department to bring more competitions like the ones you stated, i.e. word searches, fill up a jar with 2p coins and get people to guess how much money was in there, anagrams and just general simple ones. Its because I agree with you that I hate - and I have said this before - long boring ones. Quizzes are not bad either as long as they aren't super hard.
The competitions staff have to make their own images and the guide unfortunately doesn't tell them any links you have put in your post, which is a big shame as after looking at HabboFansite.net, its awesome.
I have voted no in your poll.
Im almost 100% sure i suggested these sites back in December when i said they should use images lol
Tintinnabulate
30-06-2010, 11:20 AM
Im almost 100% sure i suggested these sites back in December when i said they should use images lol
Lol I guess it was not added to the guide then. I think just the text banners from HabboFansite would look nicer. I did try to find Habbo related images and I did once but its impossible to find it for all comps, but just the text looks nice I think.
God no they're boring. They target one type of 'market' as it were, in that they only ask the same type of question. Rather boring after the first...one. I'd like to see competitions for stuff like design a logo for blahblah, stuff that actual gets people being creative. There's many talented pixel artists on this website, and those who dabble in photoshop and other designing programs. Of course, that would also limit it, so yeh, have a mix of competitions like the ones you lot mentioned.
Also, correct me if im wrong here, but i reckon VIP should be used more as a competition prize, aswell as furni. I for one couldn't give a damn about reputation seeing as hardly anyone cares much about it anymore, and i would be more likely to enter if VIP was a prize.
Tintinnabulate
30-06-2010, 11:36 AM
God no they're boring. They target one type of 'market' as it were, in that they only ask the same type of question. Rather boring after the first...one. I'd like to see competitions for stuff like design a logo for blahblah, stuff that actual gets people being creative. There's many talented pixel artists on this website, and those who dabble in photoshop and other designing programs. Of course, that would also limit it, so yeh, have a mix of competitions like the ones you lot mentioned.
Also, correct me if im wrong here, but i reckon VIP should be used more as a competition prize, aswell as furni. I for one couldn't give a damn about reputation seeing as hardly anyone cares much about it anymore, and i would be more likely to enter if VIP was a prize.
Number of VIP being given out has been limited and they only have so much to give out.
I remember a few years ago when there were LOTS and LOTS of "design an avatar" or "design a signature" competition. A member would contact a member of competitions staff, give them the prize (a few HCs) and the staff would post the competition saying "Design an avatar for Saurav. The prize is 3 HCs".
That is no longer the case.
And finally, three of the four competitions posted have to be "Habbox Comps" competition, where the entry has to be sent via PM rather than posted in the thread itself - which limits the types of competitions they can do really.
Number of VIP being given out has been limited and they only have so much to give out.
I remember a few years ago when there were LOTS and LOTS of "design an avatar" or "design a signature" competition. A member would contact a member of competitions staff, give them the prize (a few HCs) and the staff would post the competition saying "Design an avatar for Saurav. The prize is 3 HCs".
That is no longer the case.
Yesyes, i remember that. Was brilliant. Bring that back i say!
That's a shame about the VIP :(
Tintinnabulate
30-06-2010, 11:39 AM
Yesyes, i remember that. Was brilliant. Bring that back i say!
That's a shame about the VIP :(
Yepp was fun :) Got people involved as a community.
Added a bit to my post after you quoted btw :)
And finally, three of the four competitions posted have to be "Habbox Comps" competition, where the entry has to be sent via PM rather than posted in the thread itself - which limits the types of competitions they can do really.
That is no longer the case.
I am unsure of this, most likely because my brain is not taking anything in and doesn't quite get it. 4 hours sleep is not good.
Also saurav for forum analyst
FlyingJesus
30-06-2010, 11:58 AM
The images you use for the competitions. Seriously they are tacky as hell, i mentioned this five months ago and the manager says they are still working on it? lol, very efficient.
Same manager who said that "next month" there would be big changes for about 6 months, and then the big change was just more of the same.
I was told by ex-staff that they dont like simple competitions like guess the lyrics, anagrams, hiding images around the forum and making people find them, mixing up celeb faces and making people guess them.
Well that's entirely stupid seeing as how that's the sort people actually enter lol, rather than ones where you have to force yourself to take enough interest in a really boring topic to write an essay on it.
The manager says im the only person who thinks all these things are wrong with competitions and that the competitions are not boring
Same manager who thinks I'm the only person who reckons events and comps could easily be merged. tbh if the simpler competitions are used then the workload can be shared around all the community departments if events don't want the full extra workload - DJs already do competitions anyway and it's not like it really takes a genius to lift a thread out of the "comp ideas" forum and post it publicly.
The competitions staff have to make their own images and the guide unfortunately doesn't tell them any links you have put in your post
That explains a lot haha..
I'd like to see competitions for stuff like design a logo for blahblah, stuff that actual gets people being creative. There's many talented pixel artists on this website, and those who dabble in photoshop and other designing programs. Of course, that would also limit it, so yeh, have a mix of competitions like the ones you lot mentioned.
Photoshop's for noobs who can't use Paint :P but yeah I agree with this, the last graphic-type comp I saw was ages ago for some banner which I'm pretty sure I still haven't seen, but yeah if there were more pixely comps (and not just Habbo related, some freestyle would be nice) then it'd get people working a bit harder, show off some skills around the forum and who knows might even validate the need for a comps team.
Tintinnabulate
30-06-2010, 12:05 PM
The reason why they are so against merging Competitions and Events is because Events is Habbo Events while competitions is Forum Competitions.
What benefit will merging them have anyway?
FlyingJesus
30-06-2010, 12:08 PM
Less staff, less wastes thereof. As I say, other depts can pick up some if events can't do the entire thing, especially if they start doing simpler tasks like is clearly preferred.
Tintinnabulate
30-06-2010, 12:11 PM
Less staff, less wastes thereof. As I say, other depts can pick up some if events can't do the entire thing, especially if they start doing simpler tasks like is clearly preferred.
Would be interesting to see Events staffs opinion because they do Habbo-based competitions/events and that's what they signed up for not forum based.
They should be.
Also, I was told by a former competitions manager Joeyk. that he agreed when thinking these one answered competitions using the HabboxComps account are very boring, and have the creativity of a slug. I have always voiced my disatisfaction on such comps, maybe cause I'm an oldie and when I worked there in 2007 got used to that style of competitions, but I still share that view. :)
Just gonna point out that the poll, altho not many have voted, is already pretty lolworthy. 0-7.
Tintinnabulate
30-06-2010, 12:28 PM
Just gonna point out that the poll, altho not many have voted, is already pretty lolworthy. 0-7.
0-8 so far.
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=602060
The department is so bad lol
Look, the havent even paid people their prizes from novemeber
This is quoted from a former comp. manager, JoeyK.
JoeyK. - 22-04-2010 06:40 PM
Maybe, but to me it seems like they've taken the creativity out of it. I'm falling asleep reading the recent topics, they've just become lazy.
Damn whippersnappers, back in my day we actually had to think!
This is quoted from a former comp. manager, JoeyK.
That's so true haha. You're half asleep by the time you're done reading the comps that so you cba entering
xxMATTGxx
30-06-2010, 12:35 PM
Interesting views regarding the department. It is something that needs to be tackled to make that area more lively and what not. I've also directed this thread to Competitions Management and the assigned AGM (Roxy), although I have also mentioned It might be time to actually do some change.
Tintinnabulate
30-06-2010, 12:37 PM
Interesting views regarding the department. It is something that needs to be tackled to make that area more lively and what not. I've also directed this thread to Competitions Management and the assigned AGM (Roxy), although I have also mentioned It might be time to actually do some change.
Stop firing people who want to give members the competitions they want! :P ahaha
Would be good too see their responses.
FlyingJesus
30-06-2010, 12:52 PM
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=602060
The department is so bad lol
Look, the havent even paid people their prizes from novemeber
That's horrific lol, it's not even like all of those unpaid people are inactive
can i just add that it seems stupid that the manager edis EVERY thread putting in the prize himself.... cant there be a fixed prize for every comp like a 2 hc and 30rep or 1months vip and a hc
but yeah I agree with this, the last graphic-type comp I saw was ages ago for some banner which I'm pretty sure I still haven't seen, but yeah if there were more pixely comps (and not just Habbo related, some freestyle would be nice) then it'd get people working a bit harder, show off some skills around the forum and who knows might even validate the need for a comps team.
Did no one see my logo competition :'(! But yeah I agree that graphics competitions would be good. It could also integrate the graphics department with the rest of the forum too which is something that has been highlighted in the past.
That's horrific lol, it's not even like all of those unpaid people are inactive
I am not quite sure what is going on there, I gave the Comps Dept. 70HCs the other day to give prizes and that doesn't look like it will go far given that so many people are unpaid. I think the issue is that when you only have one (maybe two) people issuing prizes it becomes very difficult to keep on top of things. It is then difficult ensuring that both manager and winner are online at the same time and then the complicated trading process has to be observed. Gone are the days when donations could be dropped into a room and this makes it incredibly difficult to hand out prizes. Perhaps the Competitions Management can expand on how this system works but I think we would see a marked improvement if the task of giving out prizes, while remaining the responsibility of the Competitions Manager, might also be delegated to another trusted individual (Comps Dept or other) who is on Habbo regularly and can therefore give out prizes far easier. Another possibility is to have a set time, each week, where competitions are handed out. Say every Monday at 7PM. Having a set time and place on Habbo would make it easier for everyone, I think, but this is perhaps something that people will want to feed back on before it is implemented.
I do think that competitions needs to be looked at and certain things, such as "one word" competitions need to be reviewed and revamped if necessary. The thing I've never particularly liked about competitions is the fact it's restricted to the one forum and you just see thread after thread. It needs to be spiced up and spread about the forum and Habbox.com itself so it appeals to a wider audience. I do know that efforts have been made to broaden the audience though - a tab added to the forum and an option to view competitions on Habbox.com and other forms of advertisement too.
We could also look at upping the VIP and Rep limits the department is permitted but we're only willing to do that if the department offers competitions that attract a larger and wider audience.
It is all very well and good to criticise but I feel I should also highlight that Competitions Management have worked very hard recently to reform the department and post more competitions. Whilst we're not there yet, they have made a lot of positive changes and the department has definitely improved.
xxMATTGxx
30-06-2010, 01:55 PM
Did no one see my logo competition :'(! But yeah I agree that graphics competitions would be good. It could also integrate the graphics department with the rest of the forum too which is something that has been highlighted in the past.
I am not quite sure what is going on there, I gave the Comps Dept. 70HCs the other day to give prizes and that doesn't look like it will go far given that so many people are unpaid. I think the issue is that when you only have one (maybe two) people issuing prizes it becomes very difficult to keep on top of things. It is then difficult ensuring that both manager and winner are online at the same time and then the complicated trading process has to be observed. Gone are the days when donations could be dropped into a room and this makes it incredibly difficult to hand out prizes. Perhaps the Competitions Management can expand on how this system works but I think we would see a marked improvement if the task of giving out prizes, while remaining the responsibility of the Competitions Manager, might also be delegated to another trusted individual (Comps Dept or other) who is on Habbo regularly and can therefore give out prizes far easier. Another possibility is to have a set time, each week, where competitions are handed out. Say every Monday at 7PM. Having a set time and place on Habbo would make it easier for everyone, I think, but this is perhaps something that people will want to feed back on before it is implemented.
I do think that competitions needs to be looked at and certain things, such as "one word" competitions need to be reviewed and revamped if necessary. The thing I've never particularly liked about competitions is the fact it's restricted to the one forum and you just see thread after thread. It needs to be spiced up and spread about the forum and Habbox.com itself so it appeals to a wider audience. I do know that efforts have been made to broaden the audience though - a tab added to the forum and an option to view competitions on Habbox.com and other forms of advertisement too.
We could also look at upping the VIP and Rep limits the department is permitted but we're only willing to do that if the department offers competitions that attract a larger and wider audience.
It is all very well and good to criticise but I feel I should also highlight that Competitions Management have worked very hard recently to reform the department and post more competitions. Whilst we're not there yet, they have made a lot of positive changes and the department has definitely improved.
Looking at the dates. Wasn't that at time when there wasn't like a strong General Management team? Might of been issues trying to get furni around and what not back then. Although I've forgotten when them problems were around!
Edit: All the recent ones = red. Habbo have made it harder for departments to give nay furni to people, you can no longer drop them in donations rooms. It is also a pin trying to organise times and what not when both people are online together.
Kudos to them for reforming it, both great managers too I must say and they do work hard to provide the quantity so good job to them :D. I think yeh, it's more about re-introducing the creativity. I remember I saw a connect the dots competition. How is this a competition? But we need to consider quality too!
Looking at the dates. Wasn't that at time when there wasn't like a strong General Management team? Might of been issues trying to get furni around and what not back then. Although I've forgotten when them problems were around!
That is a possibility, certainly now the General Management team are much more active on Habbo and this makes getting prizes easier. Nevertheless I do think the difficulty that comes with trading on Habbo now remains an issue and the possibility of having a weekly prize giving time would do well to solve the problem of people being online at the same time and trying to orchestrate a meeting between Manager and prize winner.
xxMATTGxx
30-06-2010, 01:59 PM
That is a possibility, certainly now the General Management team are much more active on Habbo and this makes getting prizes easier. Nevertheless I do think the difficulty that comes with trading on Habbo now remains an issue and the possibility of having a weekly prize giving time would do well to solve the problem of people being online at the same time and trying to orchestrate a meeting between Manager and prize winner.
Yeah I just added that to my post above. Habbo have it made harder >;[!
Did no one see my logo competition :'(! But yeah I agree that graphics competitions would be good. It could also integrate the graphics department with the rest of the forum too which is something that has been highlighted in the past.
I am not quite sure what is going on there, I gave the Comps Dept. 70HCs the other day to give prizes and that doesn't look like it will go far given that so many people are unpaid. I think the issue is that when you only have one (maybe two) people issuing prizes it becomes very difficult to keep on top of things. It is then difficult ensuring that both manager and winner are online at the same time and then the complicated trading process has to be observed. Gone are the days when donations could be dropped into a room and this makes it incredibly difficult to hand out prizes. Perhaps the Competitions Management can expand on how this system works but I think we would see a marked improvement if the task of giving out prizes, while remaining the responsibility of the Competitions Manager, might also be delegated to another trusted individual (Comps Dept or other) who is on Habbo regularly and can therefore give out prizes far easier. Another possibility is to have a set time, each week, where competitions are handed out. Say every Monday at 7PM. Having a set time and place on Habbo would make it easier for everyone, I think, but this is perhaps something that people will want to feed back on before it is implemented.
I do think that competitions needs to be looked at and certain things, such as "one word" competitions need to be reviewed and revamped if necessary. The thing I've never particularly liked about competitions is the fact it's restricted to the one forum and you just see thread after thread. It needs to be spiced up and spread about the forum and Habbox.com itself so it appeals to a wider audience. I do know that efforts have been made to broaden the audience though - a tab added to the forum and an option to view competitions on Habbox.com and other forms of advertisement too.
We could also look at upping the VIP and Rep limits the department is permitted but we're only willing to do that if the department offers competitions that attract a larger and wider audience.
It is all very well and good to criticise but I feel I should also highlight that Competitions Management have worked very hard recently to reform the department and post more competitions. Whilst we're not there yet, they have made a lot of positive changes and the department has definitely improved.Just an addon to the idea, where the prizes are given out the following monday at 7pm from the competition ending. If the competitions ends on a monday, then it will be the next monday (one week). If you miss it, then you don't get your prize, if you give the staff x hours notice then you can arrange it for the next week.
That way, it's only the participants fault if they dont get their prize. I hope i explained it well enough
xxMATTGxx
30-06-2010, 02:02 PM
Just an addon to the idea, where the prizes are given out the following monday at 7pm from the competition ending. If the competitions ends on a monday, then it will be the next monday (one week). If you miss it, then you don't get your prize, if you give the staff x hours notice then you can arrange it for the next week.
That way, it's only the participants fault if they dont get their prize. I hope i explained it well enough
So a bit like the National Lottery? The ticket is valid for X amount of time if the winner does not turn up then that's it.
So a bit like the National Lottery? The ticket is valid for X amount of time if the winner does not turn up then that's it.
Yeh pretty much, unless they send a pm saying they cant make it for a valid reason
I don't like the idea of restricting the ability of receiving a prize for only one week. Saying you must collect your prize on x date at y time is unfair and will result in a lot of people losing out on their prize. Rather, I'd like to see a weekly prize giving event, ran at peak time, that will allow a lot of people to get on and collect their prize from one room. This eliminates the need to contact the Comps Manager and arrange an individual meeting to collect the prize.
If say every Monday at 7PM (example) does not suit them, then they can PM the Comps Manager and arrange a meeting. Perhaps, if the individual fails to collect their prize within one month of them being contacted as a winner, we could then strike them from the list of prize receivers. I am not willing to do this after just one week though.
I don't like the idea of restricting the ability of receiving a prize for only one week. Saying you must collect your prize on x date at y time is unfair and will result in a lot of people losing out on their prize. Rather, I'd like to see a weekly prize giving event, ran at peak time, that will allow a lot of people to get on and collect their prize from one room. This eliminates the need to contact the Comps Manager and arrange an individual meeting to collect the prize.
If say every Monday at 7PM (example) does not suit them, then they can PM the Comps Manager and arrange a meeting. Perhaps, if the individual fails to collect their prize within one month of them being contacted as a winner, we could then strike them from the list of prize receivers. I am not willing to do this after just one week though.Okay maybe one chance if they miss it then. People shouldn't miss out on it if they care, since they'll have atleast 1 day to say if they can't make it, and if they dont, then they still have one chance to say. That eliminates people missing their prizes, helps speed up the prize giving process and theres no more confusion.
One month seems like a bit long, but then that'd only be if there was a shortage of stuff to give out as prizes. I dont know. either work to be fair.
Okay maybe one chance if they miss it then. People shouldn't miss out on it if they care, since they'll have atleast 1 day to say if they can't make it, and if they dont, then they still have one chance to say. That eliminates people missing their prizes, helps speed up the prize giving process and theres no more confusion.
One month seems like a bit long, but then that'd only be if there was a shortage of stuff to give out as prizes. I dont know. either work to be fair.
I think one month is perfectly reasonable and eliminates the need to give out prizes to people who are coming and claiming months after winning their prize. It keeps it within a one month period but also gives them a reasonable period to collect their prize.
Of course what we need to do first is ensure those who have not yet claimed their prize do so, and what we will try and do is arrange something with the Comps Management to see how this can happen. If it becomes necessary I am more than willing to hunt people down and give them prizes out of the furni I have just so we can get the list down and ensure the implementation of a new, clearer way of giving out prizes.
I think one month is perfectly reasonable and eliminates the need to give out prizes to people who are coming and claiming months after winning their prize. It keeps it within a one month period but also gives them a reasonable period to collect their prize.
Of course what we need to do first is ensure those who have not yet claimed their prize do so, and what we will try and do is arrange something with the Comps Management to see how this can happen. If it becomes necessary I am more than willing to hunt people down and give them prizes out of the furni I have just so we can get the list down and ensure the implementation of a new, clearer way of giving out prizes.Sounds reasonable enough, although this thread has derailed somewhat. :p Also o dear at the poll
back to me being made comps manager and getting more creative comps etc lol
edit; @ the reform thing... by the looks of it, previous managers didnt seem to have a creative problem so it looks like they were reforming/fixing their own mess lol
back to me being made comps manager and getting more creative comps etc lol
And saurav for forum analyst. Sounds like a plan!
edit; @ the reform thing... by the looks of it, previous managers didnt seem to have a creative problem so it looks like they were reforming/fixing their own mess lol
That's wholly irrelevant. Whatever the problem was, the fact is they have made an effort to fix it and I am sure, with this feedback, they will continue to do so. Who caused the problem does not matter - the fact they are working hard to improve is what matters.
Yeh I say go back to the older comps threads, in the comps have ended forum and take some of those elements used in the past. It's not always about quantity I don't think. For me, quality matters and that's why I enjoyed taking part in comps back then compared to now.
I like the idea about there being a designated day and time for giving prizes on Habbo, it would cause less hassle for both manager and winners alike.
Samantha
30-06-2010, 03:37 PM
I haven't bothered reading every single reply posted. But I do agree, I feel that the General Management do more advanced competitions than the Competitions staff. E.g the logo design, loads of members took part in that, it was a chance to see everyone's creative side. A thread was even made so the community could come closer together and improve together.
I'm just going off what I read from the first page, but Comeptitions and Events aren't really meant to be mixed. I work on a fansite as an Event manager and when I first started Competitions and Events were merged. The problems faced were the fact some people didn't like doing one or the the other, and may not have had enough supplies on Habbo to do the events. The departments are both separated now.
I must say, I do like Alex3213's competitions I feel he brings a sense of originality to the department, which is needed. But I do agree, I enter the odd comeptition here and then but I would enter more if I liked the idea of entering. E.g. The Crisps competition, to create a flavour, there was many answers that would work and it got people thinking of some good ideas this was shown.
Referring back to my point that General Management do better competitions Sammeth did one, I think it was the end of 2009/start of 2010 where it required you to look around the forum in search for clues to complete the quest. These competitions are needed, they bring the community together.
but you could have the events dept split in two
forum events
client events
instead of having a whole different department for both
Tintinnabulate
30-06-2010, 04:52 PM
but you could have the events dept split in two
forum events
client events
instead of having a whole different department for both
then its the same thing, only its not forum events as its competitions
^^ That could then just be re-named the Community Department all together then.
FlyingJesus
30-06-2010, 04:58 PM
Community Department
Now why does that sound like a particularly familiar failure :P
kuzkasate
30-06-2010, 05:08 PM
Well I remember when I was comp staff. I actually suggested doing little games now and then, like a dice game, anagram, first to post, yano quick fun little games. But the idea got rejected because they dont want to give out big prizes for such easy competitions, I suggested maybe rep or small furnis but ah well.
Another things is, the staff find it hard to find a certain date, time to collect the prize & some people just forget and lets not forget that staff are busy, and with the drop-in-room feature gone, its extremely hard.
But yeah, I know from experience that comps where you have to write quite alot, or if its just a generally boring & easy one, dont go down that well.
Back to my dice game idea, it was like the first 10 to post get their names written down in the order that they posted. Then, the host submits their names into a dice roller like here (http://www.freeweb.hu/infamoushelp/)(theres a gamblers box roller aswell) & the winners get picked there! I think departments should merge and be called the Entertainment Department lol
Tintinnabulate
30-06-2010, 05:12 PM
I still don't see how merging them will help ...
If anything it will put more pressure on the managers and increase work load.
Tintinnabulate
30-06-2010, 05:12 PM
I still don't see how merging them will help ...
If anything it will put more pressure on the managers and increase work load.
the manger was right
im the only one who thinks the competitions are boring
the manger was right
im the only one who thinks the competitions are boring
Well its 0-15, quite clear u are the only one.
Inseriousity.
30-06-2010, 05:35 PM
Last time i made a thread telling competitions to improve their quality of competitions etc and they said they would but they didnt so i don't even know why I'm bothering make this lol.
Lets start of with your wonderful world cup event. Im just gonna re-post what i said in the other thread.
I count 64 names there of people who entered.
http://rbguides.com/screenshots/5e8e7b30.png
http://rbguides.com/screenshots/d9d3c28c.png
Now lets look and see who entered these super fun competitions :rolleyes:
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=650163 - 13/64
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=649957 - 8/64
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=645190 - 10/64
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=650170 - 17/64
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=649380 - 20/64
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=649514 - 21/64
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=649580 - 16/64
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=645163 - 16/64
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=650343 - 7/64
Less than a third of people didn't enter the competitions. That isn't very good. I got the answer "we didn't expect most of the people to enter" sorry but what a load of ********, people wouldn't have put their names down if they didn't wanna take part, i entered the first competition and i even remember comments in the thread asking where they serious. I didn't bother entering the rest because they all looked depressing and boring as hell.
The images you use for the competitions. Seriously they are tacky as hell, i mentioned this five months ago and the manager says they are still working on it? lol, very efficient. It takes the same amount of time to go to http://habboemotion.com/ and get an habbo related image or http://habbofansite.net/fontgen/ and make a nice header for their competitions, but that would probably ruin their tacky boring image and they wouldn't want that.
Most of the competitions are also boring, hence why less than a third of people entered the world cup competitions. I was told by ex-staff that they dont like simple competitions like guess the lyrics, anagrams, hiding images around the forum and making people find them, mixing up celeb faces and making people guess them. Instead there are hundreds and hundreds of boring ones like "the history of the world cup" and "which food best describes you" seriouly, these things belong in the general category not the competition forum.
The manager says im the only person who thinks all these things are wrong with competitions and that the competitions are not boring. So can you vote in the poll and tell me what you think of the things i've talked about and the suggestions i've made.
Obviously competitions staff can't vote in the poll
You posted a thread in December, we listened, we changed:
- 40 competitions a month rather than 10
- Shorter, 5 minutes competitions rather than 'essays'
- More frequent (two a day)
- Shorter waiting time. 5 days rather than a month
- Removing colour from competitions (feedback suggested it was impossible to see most of the colours except red and... blue I think)
- Rep prizes
- Less 'technical' competitions, including removing the terms and conditions to a stickied thread (which was your idea).
- Pictures on competitions (another of your ideas).
All of these were suggested in the December thread and it's insulting to everyone who worked hard to change it that you think we didn't listen.
As for the HxWC, it recieved 538 entries compared to the previous month's 270, so I see no justification for calling it a failure. It's not a load of ******** because people drop off the radar constantly. Right now, there might be people applying for Habbox Big Brother who won't be here by the time applications close. Oli will be able to weed out the inactive people but we couldn't do that with this, so we didn't expect everyone to enter, so I think it's silly to say 2/3 didn't enter comps because they're crap, there may be other reasons that meant they didn't enter. 13 teams got goals, that means at least one of their teammates would have had to enter, 14 teams didn't. That's just under half, not under 1/3.
You didn't suggest any sites to me and I was unaware of these sites so I just assumed you meant get the graphics department to make them. Now we have these, it'll be easier. All you suggested was iaza, which we have used before.
I don't know what ex-staff you've been talking to but I do like these competitions. For example, here's the latest anagrams competition: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=649857 which was this month. As for the 'which food best describes you' competition, it was posted by a trialist and you can't expect perfection from them straight away. They learn as they go on. That competition still recieved 20 entries and the threads are popular in General Discussion so I see no reason to not continue with this. They do well.
I didn't say you're the only person who thinks this, please go and find where. I did tell you that I don't really think you'd be happy regardless of what we did. I tell it how I see it, I'm honest and actually have the guts to tell you what I really think, you may not agree with what I think and you're entitled to that but 'well that was hardly successful' was hardly constructive criticism. It's a shame because when you PMed me all those months ago, you were a friendly person. At least here, you're giving me something to work with and we will listen.
I joined the competitions department to bring more competitions like the ones you stated, i.e. word searches, fill up a jar with 2p coins and get people to guess how much money was in there, anagrams and just general simple ones. Its because I agree with you that I hate - and I have said this before - long boring ones. Quizzes are not bad either as long as they aren't super hard.
The competitions staff have to make their own images and the guide unfortunately doesn't tell them any links you have put in your post, which is a big shame as after looking at HabboFansite.net, its awesome.
I have voted no in your poll.
I should remind you out of all the competitions you did it was the 'Funniest Memory' that recieved the most entries, which could have easily turned into a 'long boring one.' We've done anagrams and we have done a 'guess the number of sweets' but admittedly, we could do more of these as I think we only did it once, we've done quizzes. Competitions have been simplified hugely from December.
I didn't have these links. If they have been mentioned, I must have missed them as I only remember iaza.com being mentioned, which doesn't really help us create images, just change them.
God no they're boring. They target one type of 'market' as it were, in that they only ask the same type of question. Rather boring after the first...one. I'd like to see competitions for stuff like design a logo for blahblah, stuff that actual gets people being creative. There's many talented pixel artists on this website, and those who dabble in photoshop and other designing programs. Of course, that would also limit it, so yeh, have a mix of competitions like the ones you lot mentioned.
Also, correct me if im wrong here, but i reckon VIP should be used more as a competition prize, aswell as furni. I for one couldn't give a damn about reputation seeing as hardly anyone cares much about it anymore, and i would be more likely to enter if VIP was a prize.
We did do graphics competitions but the entries for these were slipping so I stopped doing them. However, in feedback surveys, a common thing that popped up was team competitions (which is why we did Habbox World Cup) and graphics competitions, so we'll bring them back. We didn't really use forum prizes that much so that may change things and appeal more to the 'graphics forum' community more.
As for VIP, Saurav is right, we're limited to 8 months of VIP a month. It was 6 when I arrived and I asked nvr to boost it up to 8. They recently tried to bring it down to 7 but I told them that people liked VIP (it was mentioned a lot in our feedback surveys as well) so they kept it at 8.
I remember a few years ago when there were LOTS and LOTS of "design an avatar" or "design a signature" competition. A member would contact a member of competitions staff, give them the prize (a few HCs) and the staff would post the competition saying "Design an avatar for Saurav. The prize is 3 HCs".
That is no longer the case.
And finally, three of the four competitions posted have to be "Habbox Comps" competition, where the entry has to be sent via PM rather than posted in the thread itself - which limits the types of competitions they can do really.
See above to find why this is no longer the case.
Actually, that guide needs updating as feedback surveys suggest people actually prefer the more creative (graphics, writing etc) competitions (like Grig has mentioned throughout the thread) so we're looking for a balance between creative and 'one-answer' competitions
Same manager who said that "next month" there would be big changes for about 6 months, and then the big change was just more of the same.
See near the top of this post for the changes we made in January. It changed the department completely.
Well that's entirely stupid seeing as how that's the sort people actually enter lol, rather than ones where you have to force yourself to take enough interest in a really boring topic to write an essay on it.
lol it is entirely stupid and that's why I've never said I don't like these type of competitions. It's actually more worrying that the staff think this, I must be giving out the wrong messages.
Same manager who thinks I'm the only person who reckons events and comps could easily be merged. tbh if the simpler competitions are used then the workload can be shared around all the community departments if events don't want the full extra workload - DJs already do competitions anyway and it's not like it really takes a genius to lift a thread out of the "comp ideas" forum and post it publicly.
I've never said you're the only person. If the workload was shared around all the community departments, I would agree that comps and community could be merged but not just comps + events. I also think there's a lot of work involved that would make a merge complicated. Moving threads is easy but contacting winners, giving them their prizes (which is a lot harder now thanks to Habbo changing things). I spoke to some EOs about it and they said they wouldn't like to merge. Whether they said that because that's what they thought I wanted to hear rather than because they agreed with what they were saying is a different story altogether.
That explains a lot haha..
I didn't know of any sites, having no experience of graphics myself. I assumed he meant to get the Graphics Department to make them but now I know of these simple sites, it'll be a lot easier to improve the images.
Photoshop's for noobs who can't use Paint :P but yeah I agree with this, the last graphic-type comp I saw was ages ago for some banner which I'm pretty sure I still haven't seen, but yeah if there were more pixely comps (and not just Habbo related, some freestyle would be nice) then it'd get people working a bit harder, show off some skills around the forum and who knows might even validate the need for a comps team.
We're going to do more of these. I stopped them because they didn't recieve many entries. I don't remember what competition you're refering to though.
They should be.
Also, I was told by a former competitions manager Joeyk. that he agreed when thinking these one answered competitions using the HabboxComps account are very boring, and have the creativity of a slug. I have always voiced my disatisfaction on such comps, maybe cause I'm an oldie and when I worked there in 2007 got used to that style of competitions, but I still share that view. :)
We're working on a balance between the 'oldie' more creative competitions and the modern need for 'one-answer' competitions.
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=602060
The department is so bad lol
Look, the havent even paid people their prizes from novemeber
Giving out prizes is no longer as simple as dropping prizes into a donation room. If it was, that list would all be green, I'm sure. In November, there was no AGM for Community as Catszy was ill and Jin isn't always the fastest. Then Roxy came in December/January and decided to do the prizes herself (to avoid having to get them from someone to pass to her to get her to pass to me) and she decided to stick with the more recent winners rather than the November ones. Now, she's passed this back onto me recently so I'm going through it as quickly as possible. I'm not a robot, it's a lot more difficult than it looks.
Stop firing people who want to give members the competitions they want! :P ahaha
Would be good too see their responses.
I'm replying as quick as I can argh :p
That's horrific lol, it's not even like all of those unpaid people are inactive
See above for why.
can i just add that it seems stupid that the manager edis EVERY thread putting in the prize himself.... cant there be a fixed prize for every comp like a 2 hc and 30rep or 1months vip and a hc
I edit every thread to check for grammar too. I do the prizes because there are things like the VIP quota to consider.
Did no one see my logo competition :'(! But yeah I agree that graphics competitions would be good. It could also integrate the graphics department with the rest of the forum too which is something that has been highlighted in the past.
extra suggested this when he was manager but never got round to it. In the management meeting, I was going to suggest it. I still will!
I am not quite sure what is going on there, I gave the Comps Dept. 70HCs the other day to give prizes and that doesn't look like it will go far given that so many people are unpaid. I think the issue is that when you only have one (maybe two) people issuing prizes it becomes very difficult to keep on top of things. It is then difficult ensuring that both manager and winner are online at the same time and then the complicated trading process has to be observed. Gone are the days when donations could be dropped into a room and this makes it incredibly difficult to hand out prizes. Perhaps the Competitions Management can expand on how this system works but I think we would see a marked improvement if the task of giving out prizes, while remaining the responsibility of the Competitions Manager, might also be delegated to another trusted individual (Comps Dept or other) who is on Habbo regularly and can therefore give out prizes far easier. Another possibility is to have a set time, each week, where competitions are handed out. Say every Monday at 7PM. Having a set time and place on Habbo would make it easier for everyone, I think, but this is perhaps something that people will want to feed back on before it is implemented.
70 HCs will go far and we're slowly doing it. I did suggest a 'HabboxComps' account on Habbo so that anyone with access to it could give out prizes whenever they could but this was shot down due to security reasons, which was fair enough, I suppose. The idea of a prize giving time is a good idea.
I do think that competitions needs to be looked at and certain things, such as "one word" competitions need to be reviewed and revamped if necessary. The thing I've never particularly liked about competitions is the fact it's restricted to the one forum and you just see thread after thread. It needs to be spiced up and spread about the forum and Habbox.com itself so it appeals to a wider audience. I do know that efforts have been made to broaden the audience though - a tab added to the forum and an option to view competitions on Habbox.com and other forms of advertisement too.
We could also look at upping the VIP and Rep limits the department is permitted but we're only willing to do that if the department offers competitions that attract a larger and wider audience.
Why was it recently attempted to decrease it? There isn't a rep limit atm and I don't think there should be one either.
It is all very well and good to criticise but I feel I should also highlight that Competitions Management have worked very hard recently to reform the department and post more competitions. Whilst we're not there yet, they have made a lot of positive changes and the department has definitely improved.
Looking at the dates. Wasn't that at time when there wasn't like a strong General Management team? Might of been issues trying to get furni around and what not back then. Although I've forgotten when them problems were around!
Edit: All the recent ones = red. Habbo have made it harder for departments to give nay furni to people, you can no longer drop them in donations rooms. It is also a pin trying to organise times and what not when both people are online together.
Extremely difficult so we will ask for feedback over what times/days we should do.
Just an addon to the idea, where the prizes are given out the following monday at 7pm from the competition ending. If the competitions ends on a monday, then it will be the next monday (one week). If you miss it, then you don't get your prize, if you give the staff x hours notice then you can arrange it for the next week.
That way, it's only the participants fault if they dont get their prize. I hope i explained it well enough
There has been the idea that if after a certain date your prize hasn't been given out then it'd be considered a donation to Habbox Competitions but as Habbo have made it difficult to trade prizes, I removed it.
Yeh I say go back to the older comps threads, in the comps have ended forum and take some of those elements used in the past. It's not always about quantity I don't think. For me, quality matters and that's why I enjoyed taking part in comps back then compared to now.
I like the idea about there being a designated day and time for giving prizes on Habbo, it would cause less hassle for both manager and winners alike.
I agree it's not about quantity. However, it was suggested in December that we needed more competitions so we did. We will obviously look at all feedback and take it on board if it's constructive otherwise we have nothing to work with.
Thanks for all your feedback. :)
FlyingJesus
30-06-2010, 05:52 PM
Giving out prizes is no longer as simple as dropping prizes into a donation room. If it was, that list would all be green, I'm sure. In November, there was no AGM for Community as Catszy was ill and Jin isn't always the fastest. Then Roxy came in December/January and decided to do the prizes herself (to avoid having to get them from someone to pass to her to get her to pass to me) and she decided to stick with the more recent winners rather than the November ones. Now, she's passed this back onto me recently so I'm going through it as quickly as possible. I'm not a robot, it's a lot more difficult than it looks.
You do know it's now the end of June right? As far as I'm aware the changes to donation room dropping is somewhat recent, and while you mention that it was Roxy's plan to give out prizes to more recent winners instead of dealing with the backlog (which has never been a good idea in any circumstance) I can't see much excuse for it going 7 months out of date unless you've only been given control of it in the last month, in which case I apologise and will allow blame to pass to Roxy on that point.
Inseriousity.
30-06-2010, 06:00 PM
I think my thread's glitched so I have to post again apparently.
edit: oh lol im confused :(
You posted a thread in December, we listened, we changed:
- 40 competitions a month rather than 10
- Shorter, 5 minutes competitions rather than 'essays'
- More frequent (two a day)
- Shorter waiting time. 5 days rather than a month
- Removing colour from competitions (feedback suggested it was impossible to see most of the colours except red and... blue I think)
- Rep prizes
- Less 'technical' competitions, including removing the terms and conditions to a stickied thread (which was your idea).
- Pictures on competitions (another of your ideas).
All of these were suggested in the December thread and it's insulting to everyone who worked hard to change it that you think we didn't listen.
As for the HxWC, it recieved 538 entries compared to the previous month's 270, so I see no justification for calling it a failure. It's not a load of ******** because people drop off the radar constantly. Right now, there might be people applying for Habbox Big Brother who won't be here by the time applications close. Oli will be able to weed out the inactive people but we couldn't do that with this, so we didn't expect everyone to enter, so I think it's silly to say 2/3 didn't enter comps because they're crap, there may be other reasons that meant they didn't enter. 13 teams got goals, that means at least one of their teammates would have had to enter, 14 teams didn't. That's just under half, not under 1/3.
You didn't suggest any sites to me and I was unaware of these sites so I just assumed you meant get the graphics department to make them. Now we have these, it'll be easier. All you suggested was iaza, which we have used before.
Well there was no need to move them up to 40, quality over quantity, something which obviously isn't the case with your department. Something like 25/30 should have done. Yes you listened to the people when they said shorter competitions but they are still boring. Yes you also listened to a lot of ideas, but not the ones where people asked for competitions to become more interesting.
The reason that WC event got so many entries is because people were made aware of it and there was big prizes, also prizes for first, second and third place therefore more chances of people winning. It can still mean they are boring.
So if one person from each team entered you would consider that 100% of people taking part? No it's not, its only 27 people, so i am right when i say only one third of people entered.
Actually i did suggest these sites, anyone with common sense would have looked at the Habbox site for images if i didnt suggest them so dont even go there. I suggested them in the original thread and in another thread when i said the ones you were using were tacky.
I don't know what ex-staff you've been talking to but I do like these competitions. For example, here's the latest anagrams competition: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=649857 which was this month. As for the 'which food best describes you' competition, it was posted by a trialist and you can't expect perfection from them straight away. They learn as they go on. That competition still recieved 20 entries and the threads are popular in General Discussion so I see no reason to not continue with this. They do well.
But by the looks of things you edit all threads, and approve all competitions so surely you would have know it wasn't too good. :rolleyes:
As for VIP, Saurav is right, we're limited to 8 months of VIP a month. It was 6 when I arrived and I asked nvr to boost it up to 8. They recently tried to bring it down to 7 but I told them that people liked VIP (it was mentioned a lot in our feedback surveys as well) so they kept it at 8.
You dont have to give a month of VIP out
you could give 2 weeks and break it up
I wonder which competition staff voted yes, guessing its this person who cant read Dilusionate
Difference between can't and can't be bothered to read the rest of the rant.
You do know it's now the end of June right? As far as I'm aware the changes to donation room dropping is somewhat recent, and while you mention that it was Roxy's plan to give out prizes to more recent winners instead of dealing with the backlog (which has never been a good idea in any circumstance) I can't see much excuse for it going 7 months out of date unless you've only been given control of it in the last month, in which case I apologise and will allow blame to pass to Roxy on that point.
I started off giving it to the most recent winners so people who had won in the last few weeks so the massive backlog didn't continue (so I assume that's what Mike meant) however within a week or so I'd worked the whole way back down to November (was about February time I got enough HCs to give out all the prizes) and I pm'd every winner since November and tried to chase them up to give them their prize, 99% sure I managed to pm everyone although if anyone reads this and think's they've been missed out then I appologise. Anyone who I managed to find / replied to the pms will have been given their prize.
Difference between can't and can't be bothered to read the rest of the rant.
Its feedback and with that attitude no wonder people are complaining, you dont care about it at all
Its feedback and with that attitude no wonder people are complaining, you dont care about it at all
If I didn't care about competitions I wouldn't be in the department. Yes this is feedback and what I've read I'll take into account for my competitions.
Difference between can't and can't be bothered to read the rest of the rant.
If I didn't care about competitions I wouldn't be in the department. Yes this is feedback and what I've read I'll take into account for my competitions.
You just called it a rant, can you make up your mind please?
Tintinnabulate
30-06-2010, 06:38 PM
Difference between can't and can't be bothered to read the rest of the rant.
I don't understand your post :S Seems pointless ... unless you can explain what the hell it means.
FlyingJesus
30-06-2010, 06:42 PM
I started off giving it to the most recent winners so people who had won in the last few weeks so the massive backlog didn't continue (so I assume that's what Mike meant) however within a week or so I'd worked the whole way back down to November (was about February time I got enough HCs to give out all the prizes) and I pm'd every winner since November and tried to chase them up to give them their prize, 99% sure I managed to pm everyone although if anyone reads this and think's they've been missed out then I appologise. Anyone who I managed to find / replied to the pms will have been given their prize.
That's fair enough then as long as they have been contacted, I won't hold anyone to blame if the users themselves simply haven't got back to you. Simply looked like this hadn't been the case because some of the winners from a few months back have still been posting, but yeah not much you can do about it if the winners don't reply once you got hold of them :P
what I've read I'll take into account for my competitions.
But you just said you didn't read it
But you just said you didn't read it
Sorry that's not what I meant, I read all the posts in the thread but I skipped the end of the first post.
Sorry that's not what I meant, I read all the posts in the thread but I skipped the end of the first post.
why? that part had my question
Tintinnabulate
30-06-2010, 06:55 PM
Sorry that's not what I meant, I read all the posts in the thread but I skipped the end of the first post.
I usually follow this rule: If you are so rude that you didn't bother reading the OP's post, then don't bother posting. Its disrespectful.
He tried to post suggestions and you said you didn't read it and reply with one pointless line? -rep
why? that part had my question
Right then, to be competely honest I voted before I read any of the thread.
EDIT:
I'm not just saying this because of the post above.
so you have been lying to us :'(?
FlyingJesus
30-06-2010, 06:57 PM
I'm not certain I can go on with my life knowing that Habbox staff aren't trustworthy.
so you have been lying to us :'(?
Because I should have read your post first.
yes and you told me you had
im crushed
flatface
30-06-2010, 08:17 PM
I'm going to have to agree with Graham on this one! Jen, Graham and myself were looking forward to the World Cup competitions, then to find the first competition was something about describing food I was a little disappointed. Just using that as an example likee.
So obviously I voted no, right now competitions are not interesting.
Tintinnabulate
30-06-2010, 08:40 PM
Maybe they should have sent out reminder PMs to people who entered ... but don't know if that would have annoyed some members?
Alex3213
30-06-2010, 09:06 PM
Right I have read through the thread, many a time infact but I'm only posting now cos I wanted to see what you thought first. I must admit, I funnily enough agree with you that comps aren't interesting, some may be but a lot of them aren't. And in actual fact, I don't think any of my competitions have been at a high standard. I'm going to ask a few questions, a few which were on the Feedback Survey as I know a lot of you didn't send in the form and it would be interesting just to see what you think and what would make you enter a competition. Rather than me debating I'm just cutting to the chase because tbh, there's no point doing that if you're not going to change your mind. I'm leaving the questions open to everyone so don't say "I've already talked about this in the thread" because they are for all. Also there are a lot of competitons I would enter, just some I wouldn't depending on topic tbh.
1) How many competitions would be a suitable amount to use? How could these be set out? *
* Don't say more than what we already have because of course with quality not quantity if you PERSONALLY don't believe that there needs to be that many then it still will be considerably more.
2) What three aspects of competitions would make you enter competitions?
3) Are creative writing competitions a good idea to implement? +
+ We are 99% going to implement Graphics Competitions and also we probably will have these too but it's always nice for your word
4) What would be the "aim" of the competition you would love to enter? We won't copy it, just to see the sort of style!
5) What could we do with images?
Obviously the last one is a very open ended question but we won't be asking for the graphic department to help because they aren't our slaves. Are there any websites we could you use? You said you mentioned some Graham so if you can supply them that would help. These questions are to voice your opinion, not to go flame and criticise because although I may have came out very rude in the last thread, we do take on board what you say, we changed competitions a lot to float your boat however most of you don't seem to realise that.
@Prizes: Just to clarify it was only this week that Inseriousity. is incharge of prizes.
If there's anything else I can say, I'll try to!
EDIT: Oh yes Saurav's part. I don't think members would have liked it because I think they would realise comps are open and even if they didn't I think people would find it quite annoying.
EDIT2: Also I'm not slating the staff because they all very dedicated but there are competitions which I wouldn't enter, including mine when I get stuck for ideas but I do make it quite clear because I do have a contrast when I write reports.
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