if we're not allowed to mention certain sites

[W00TZEH]

FILTER THEM

[Hecktix]

This claim is fair enough but really there shouldn't be a need to state the name anyway.

[Special]

there are too many to filter, once one has been blocked another website would be opened

[W00TZEH]

there are too many to filter, once one has been blocked another website would be opened
I'm not on about porn sites, I'm not stupid.

[Muct]

there are too many to filter, once one has been blocked another website would be opened

Filter anything that has .COM / .CO.UK / .ORG / .NET thenn?

[Special]

Filter anything that has .COM / .CO.UK / .ORG / .NET thenn?

no because that would block youtube, wikipedia, dailymail (undertaker) & most improtantly habbo links

and @wootzeh, i was thinking on the lines of habbo scam sites

[GommeInc]

What's this about? :S

[W00TZEH]

I mentioned a certain 4 site and got an infraction for it, would have been avoided if it was filtered.

[GommeInc]

Ohhh, 4 Jackie Chan? Heard of it, but only know it's good for paedophilia and other devious things.

[HotelUser]

I mentioned a certain 4 site and got an infraction for it, would have been avoided if it was filtered.

Something that should be common sense shouldn't require a filtered variant :P

[W00TZEH]

Something that should be common sense shouldn't require a filtered variant :P
And in English? I didn't know it was an infraction worthy offence to mention it, not even link to it.

[Catzsy]

And in English? I didn't know it was an infraction worthy offence to mention it, not even link to it.

I assume you knew the content of the site?

[W00TZEH]

I assume you knew the content of the site?
Some porn, yes? most boards aren't though. but either way it should be filtered, instead of infracting someone for using the name once.

[Catzsy]

Some porn, yes? most boards aren't though. but either way it should be filtered, instead of infracting someone for using the name once.

Well I think the rules are pretty clear on this so it's cause and effect and to get an infraction you would have had a warning and pm before it for similar content?

[W00TZEH]

nope, straight infraction from oli.

[Nixt]

This isn't an infraction appeal so your points regarding the infraction are irrelevant. The link to the infraction appeal thread can be found in my signature.

Please do not tell me you want us to filter every single porn site, or site that contains pornographic images, on the internet. It would be impossible. If you know the content of the site and continue to post it, you are liable to have broken the rules and will be punished as a result.

[W00TZEH]

This isn't an infraction appeal so your points regarding the infraction are irrelevant. The link to the infraction appeal thread can be found in my signature.

Please do not tell me you want us to filter every single porn site, or site that contains pornographic images, on the internet. It would be impossible. If you know the content of the site and continue to post it, you are liable to have broken the rules and will be punished as a result.
Can't post in that thread as you should know Cautioned poster's can only post in their own threads in feedback. Obviously I'm not asking you to filter every site that contains pornographic material, but because they sometimes organise raids on Habbo, the site is going to get mentioned on a habbo forum, and if you dont want it to be mentioned, then filter it. Nor have I continued to post inappropriate material, as this is the first time.

[hah]

It's quite obvious that 60% of the site is porn/gore and it would be common sense not to post it, instead you could have just said "a 4 site" like i did.

lol ul

[W00TZEH]

It's quite obvious that 60% of the site is porn/gore and it would be common sense not to post it, instead you could have just said "a 4 site" like i did.

lol ul
60%?
more like 5

[Hecktix]

Can't post in that thread as you should know Cautioned poster's can only post in their own threads in feedback. Obviously I'm not asking you to filter every site that contains pornographic material, but because they sometimes organise raids on Habbo, the site is going to get mentioned on a habbo forum, and if you dont want it to be mentioned, then filter it. Nor have I continued to post inappropriate material, as this is the first time.

You'd need to use the support system as you are cautioned. Inappropriate material comes under the "inappropriate content" rule if that clarifies anything.

I think Garion and Graham are quite right, you know it's unacceptable so you shouldn't post the name, however I would like to see this particular site filtered.

[hah]

/b/, /d/, /e/, /gif/, /h/, /hr/, /r/, /s/, /t/, /u/, /y/ /r9k/, /int/, /rs/

all them had stuff which is against the rules such as torrents, cartoon porn (lol), porn, gore.
id say its over 60%
you aint winning this lol

[Meanies]

hardly an infractable offence for mentioning the name of a website most people know about anyway:S

[W00TZEH]

/b/, /d/, /e/, /gif/, /h/, /hr/, /r/, /s/, /t/, /u/, /y/ /r9k/, /int/, /rs/

all them had stuff which is against the rules such as torrents, cartoon porn (lol), porn, gore.
id say its over 60%
you aint winning this lol
http://i29.tinypic.com/1zmjeyc.png
33% are NSDW

---------- Post added 16-07-2010 at 07:50 PM ----------

*nsfw.

[Recursion]

Everyone knows about *REMOVED*, why even bother filtering it? Seriously.

Edited by Oli (Forum Manager): Please do not name inappropriate sites

[Recursion]

Okokok, got a PM about the above, can we even see a list of these sites? Excluding my above post, a fair number of people may not even know what sites are or are not banned.

[Hecktix]

Okokok, got a PM about the above, can we even see a list of these sites? Excluding my above post, a fair number of people may not even know what sites are or are not banned.

Any site which contains 18+ material is forbidden to be mentioned at HabboxForum.

[GommeInc]

YouTube, Facebook, Myspace, ChatRoulette, Cam4, omegle, iSketch... All these involve 18+ material. Last I checked 4 Jackie Chan was the same, you had to look for it to find it, and judging by Wootzeh's post less than half of the website is explicit material :/ And that website is known around these parts - I personally have never bothered browsing round it but a name isn't that bad, and the website itself isn't bad unless you purposely look for the bad things, like the websites mentioned above.

[Jordy]

YouTube, Facebook, Myspace, ChatRoulette, Cam4, omegle, iSketch... All these involve 18+ material. Last I checked 4 Jackie Chan was the same, you had to look for it to find it, and judging by Wootzeh's post less than half of the website is explicit material :/ And that website is known around these parts - I personally have never bothered browsing round it but a name isn't that bad, and the website itself isn't bad unless you purposely look for the bad things, like the websites mentioned above.Damn you beat me to it. Frankly I don't see what's wrong with people posting the names of sites which contain over 18 content, if they then proceed to google them and go on the website they're at their own risk.

I also don't see what's wrong to hyperlinking to parts of websites which may contain over 18 content. For example you could hyperlink to parts of Facebook, YouTube or the cleaner boards on 4Jackie Chan. However there's no risk of people hyperlinking to pornographic websites as the entire website contains over 18 content.

[GommeInc]

Damn you beat me to it. Frankly I don't see what's wrong with people posting the names of sites which contain over 18 content, if they then proceed to google them and go on the website they're at their own risk.

I also don't see what's wrong to hyperlinking to parts of websites which may contain over 18 content. For example you could hyperlink to parts of Facebook, YouTube or the cleaner boards on 4Jackie Chan. However there's no risk of people hyperlinking to pornographic websites as the entire website contains over 18 content.
Not forgetting many sites have warnings saying they contain adult content :)

[Hecktix]

The age of some of the younger members needs to be considered and we're not willing to have names of sites which contain such material, the site mentioned contains some very inappropriate material, moreso than the other sites you have named there.

I think Wootzeh's claim to filter it is a valid one, but either way it will definitely not be allowed to name such sites and never has been and this view has come from Habbox Ownership over the years too.

[Catzsy]

The age of some of the younger members needs to be considered and we're not willing to have names of sites which contain such material, the site mentioned contains some very inappropriate material, moreso than the other sites you have named there.

I think Wootzeh's claim to filter it is a valid one, but either way it will definitely not be allowed to name such sites and never has been and this view has come from Habbox Ownership over the years too.


Oli is right. It has never been allowed to link or name sites that lead to explicit 18+ material. I would have thought it is common sense and quite honesly doesn't need to be filtered.

[GommeInc]

I swear people have been mentioning that site for years, and no problems have arised from it :/ And again, loads of these sites have warnings. Heck, Wootzeh posted something that clearly stated (Adult Only (18+)), so there's a warning already there :/

[W00TZEH]

Okokok, got a PM about the above, can we even see a list of these sites? Excluding my above post, a fair number of people may not even know what sites are or are not banned.
How come you got a pm and I got an infraction? :eusa_eh: :eusa_shif

[Catzsy]

I swear people have been mentioning that site for years, and no problems have arised from it :/ And again, loads of these sites have warnings. Heck, Wootzeh posted something that clearly stated (Adult Only (18+)), so there's a warning already there :/

The problem is Gomme on that particular site is that 18+ is almost always featured quite overtly on the front page. It is nothing like Youtube or Myspace. It has always been banned in my memory along with ******** which is filtered.

[Hecktix]

I swear people have been mentioning that site for years, and no problems have arised from it :/ And again, loads of these sites have warnings. Heck, Wootzeh posted something that clearly stated (Adult Only (18+)), so there's a warning already there :/

It's never been allowed as far as I can remember and it seems Catzsy also backs up that claim so I'm not going mad or anything :P
It does make sense, we have a lot of younger members nowadays and I'd like to think a lot of these guys don't know anything about such sites - I didn't at their age. We have a duty to provide these youngsters with a safe environment and not see them led off to inappropriate sites - and let's be honest the website mentioned contains illegal as well as inappropriate material, it's always been Habbox policy not to let these sites anywhere near our forums.

I agree with Catzsy that it should be common sense not to post it however filtering it is an option.

[GommeInc]

The problem is Gomme on that particular site is that 18+ is almost always featured quite overtly on the front page. It is nothing like Youtube or Myspace. It has always been banned in my memory along with ******** which is filtered.
I'm sure I've seen random references to it and mentions on here before. Oh well :P

[Catzsy]

I'm sure I've seen random references to it and mentions on here before. Oh well :P

That could have been channel 4, Gomme! LOL:D

[Recursion]

http://www.habboxforum.com/search.php?searchid=371886

Have fun!

[GommeInc]

Was that a search for the website in question? I did the same and found quite alot of results. You don't see websites like youtube with an x getting mentioned by the BBC :P

[Moh]

Everyone knows about *REMOVED*, why even bother filtering it? Seriously.

Edited by Oli (Forum Manager): Please do not name inappropriate sites
Yeah, was about to say this. Everybody knows about it.

[Recursion]

Was that a search for the website in question? I did the same and found quite alot of results. You don't see websites like youtube with an x getting mentioned by the BBC :P

Ofgs! :P Yes it was for 4Jackie Chan, you get at least 3 pages of results.

[Callum.]

The BBC article I read about how 4 voted for Justin Bieber to go best Korea even said the site, and it's BBC..


Many of the votes are thought to originate from imageboard website *REMOVED*, which has built a reputation for triggering online viral campaigns.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10506482

[GommeInc]

Adding to what I said (first time I've actually been on that website), it seems pretty tame :/ Infact, I think this is one huge exaggeration focused on one group of their community, like HxF being blocked because the KKK have done dutty things. This is what you're welcomed with:


"4 Jackiechan is a simple image-based bulletin board where anyone can post comments and share images. 4 Jackiechan's collaborative-community format is copied from one of the most popular forums in Japan, Futaba Channel. Different boards are dedicated to different topics, from Japanese anime, manga, and culture to videogames, music, and photography. Users do not need to register a username before participating in the community. Feel free to click on a board that interests you, and jump right in—anyone can contribute!"

Their latest posts section shows now over 18 material and their 18+ section seems quite tame, it's literally 1/5 if not less of their community :/

It even has a filter for user's discretion. So yeah, given the evidence put forward by those pro-blocking or anti-4 JackieChan, I think you're over-exaggerating it :/

EDIT: Even their rules are quite decent too. Infact, they're anti-pornography and obscenities outside the small number of 18+ forums :/ And they tell you not to post anything on the "worksafe" forums :/

[W00TZEH]

It's alright, I'm used to getting special treatment from Oli, not surprised to see search results throw it there without it being removed.

[Hecktix]

It's alright, I'm used to getting special treatment from Oli, not surprised to see search results throw it there without it being removed.

You should know how the moderation system works, if you've had a warning or infraction for inappropriate content, you get another one. No special treatment anywhere.

[W00TZEH]

You should know how the moderation system works, if you've had a warning or infraction for inappropriate content, you get another one. No special treatment anywhere.
Ok then go through the forum, warning every user who has mentioned the site for me, thanks.

[GommeInc]

You should know how the moderation system works, if you've had a warning or infraction for inappropriate content, you get another one. No special treatment anywhere.
It is a bit pointless to be honest telling people off about that website. It's a gynormous(sp?) community and you seem to only block it for a certain section of it :/ Let people mention it, but not link to dirty parts of it, like you used to with any website. Outright blocking it is pointless and has no solid grounds! Their tech sections seem to have some itneresting debates! :D

[Catzsy]

It is a bit pointless to be honest telling people off about that website. It's a gynormous(sp?) community and you seem to only block it for a certain section of it :/ Let people mention it, but not link to dirty parts of it, like you used to with any website. Outright blocking it is pointless and has no solid grounds! Their tech sections seem to have some itneresting debates! :D

It's not possible because the 'dirty parts' of it are on the front page. If you are saying link to the tech side then they don't really have to mention the name for people to see it they can just link if that is acceptable to management and then if they go around the rest of the site it's not habbox's responsibilty as there is no inappropriate content ot links to it on that page?

[GommeInc]

It's not possible because the 'dirty parts' of it are on the front page. If you are saying link to the tech side then they don't really have to mention the name for people to see it they can just link if that is acceptable to management and then if they go around the rest of the site it's not habbox's responsibilty as there is no inappropriate content ot links to it on that page?
What 'dirty parts' are you talking about? There's only mention of forums/sections marked 18+, no content appears to be available on the main site, not even in recent posts or images :)

[Hecktix]

Gomme, a lot of pornsites have 18+ warnings on the front page, they still aren't allowed :P

[Catzsy]

What 'dirty parts' are you talking about? There's only mention of forums/sections marked 18+, no content appears to be available on the main site, not even in recent posts or images :)

Maybe not when you checked but the pictures can be very risque.

[Axel]

Woh, mentioning it is an offense now? Really? Mentioning stuff like porn sites I can understand, but stuff like, oh wow can't even mention it in a feedback thread, if someone knows it's bad they'll probably avoid it, and if not they might go on it one time, at their own will, and find out what it's like...

I dunno, mentioning stuff like that, I guess it's the same as talking about GTA or something. It's an 18+ game! OMG!

[Hecktix]

Woh, mentioning it is an offense now? Really? Mentioning stuff like porn sites I can understand, but stuff like, oh wow can't even mention it in a feedback thread, if someone knows it's bad they'll probably avoid it, and if not they might go on it one time, at their own will, and find out what it's like...

I dunno, mentioning stuff like that, I guess it's the same as talking about GTA or something. It's an 18+ game! OMG!

At your age this is fine, but Habbox Forum has members of ages as young as 11.

[GommeInc]

Maybe not when you checked but the pictures can be very risque.
Same about any site really, piczo has near nude models sometimes (at the moment it's another, less risque model/photographer showing off her work and that's quite a popular place). DeviantART has a few dodgy pictures sometimes, but not anything dutty. So far I keep getting paranormal images and anime on jackie chan 4, as the recent images and posts section seems to only cover "work friendly" forums/sections.

[Hecktix]

Same about any site really, piczo has near nude models sometimes (at the moment it's another, less risque model/photographer showing off her work and that's quite a popular place). DeviantART has a few dodgy pictures sometimes, but not anything dutty. So far I keep getting paranormal images and anime on jackie chan 4, as the recent images and posts section seems to only cover "work friendly" forums/sections.

there's a difference between sometimes having dodgy pictures and always having dodgy pictures, I just went on the site, clicked two links and saw a fully naked woman, it's not a very nice site for youngsters

[Axel]

At your age this is fine, but Habbox Forum has members of ages as young as 11.

I guess so, but at 11 you just don't go looking for that sort of stuff unless you're willing too. If the site gets mentioned and you go onnto the main page, even at 11, and see Adult 18+, you'd go off it unless you were actually looking for that stuff. Not really anyones fault for mentioning it, butI guess it's a lot harder to find if no one does mention it.

[FlyingJesus]

on that particular site is that 18+ is almost always featured quite overtly on the front page


It's not possible because the 'dirty parts' of it are on the front page

That's not true (or shouldn't be) as the Recent Images, Latest Posts and Popular Threads sections on the front page are only taken from the SFW areas unless you specifically set it to do otherwise. *REMOVED*

Edited by Bolt660 (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not post inappropriately.

[GommeInc]

there's a difference between sometimes having dodgy pictures and always having dodgy pictures, I just went on the site, clicked two links and saw a fully naked woman, it's not a very nice site for youngsters
You went looking for it, on the front page you don't see anything, you're only told of each section. Take DeviantART, will you block that seeing as I can look at adult pictures by clicking Photography > Portrait > Fetishes? There's a huge difference. 4Jackie Chan doesn't shuve it down your throat, you literally do have to click one of the 18+ sections clearly marked. It's a bit wrong to assume it's a naughty site, when the majority of discussions are not about naked women.


*REMOVED*.
I accidentally did that too :(

Speaking of YouTube, some of the music videos that appear in the featured list contain common music videos scenes of half naked women and sexual moves, if you define obscene dance moves as any thrusting and finger gestures, as mentioned in Hairspray.

[Hecktix]

You went looking for it, on the front page you don't see anything, you're only told of each section. Take DeviantART, will you block that seeing as I can look at adult pictures by clicking Photography > Portrait > Fetishes? There's a huge difference. 4Jackie Chan doesn't shvue it down your throat, you literally do have to click one of the 18+ sections clearly marked. It's a bit wrong to assume it's a naughty site, when the majority of discussions are not about naked women.

It's not clearly marked 18+ at all and it's instantly there when you type in the website name, whereas you gave the example of Deviant art, you have to go into Photography, then portrait, then fetishes - you would have to be looking for it to find it really, whereas on the homepage of the site we are discussing it quite clearly highlights a list of 18+ topics.

[Axel]

It's not clearly marked 18+ at all and it's instantly there when you type in the website name, whereas you gave the example of Deviant art, you have to go into Photography, then portrait, then fetishes - you would have to be looking for it to find it really, whereas on the homepage of the site we are discussing it quite clearly highlights a list of 18+ topics.

Likewise, you'd have to be looking for it on this website we are discussing - nothing bad is displayed on the front page as has been mentioned previously, and only if you were looking for it would you actually go into the adult forums. Same goes for other websites such as Youtube, you could easily view 18+ videos by claiming you are 18, if you're looking for it.

[GommeInc]

It's not clearly marked 18+ at all and it's instantly there when you type in the website name, whereas you gave the example of Deviant art, you have to go into Photography, then portrait, then fetishes - you would have to be looking for it to find it really, whereas on the homepage of the site we are discussing it quite clearly highlights a list of 18+ topics.
I rest my case :P They're marked.

EDIT: WAIT A SECOND. I just clicked "Sexy Beautiful Women" and got a warning message :S


Disclaimer


By entering this section of the website, in exchange for use of this website, you the user hereby agree to the following:

1. The content of this website is for mature viewers only and may not be suitable for minors. If you are a minor or it is illegal for you to view nudity or mature images and language, do not proceed.
2. This site is presented to you AS IS, with no warranty, express or implied. By clicking "I Agree" and then viewing our site, you agree not to hold the webmaster and staff of this site (4chan.org) liable for any damages from your use of these boards.
3. As a condition of using this site, you must fully understand, and comply with the rules of 4chan.org, which may be located by following the "Rules" link on the home page.

[Hecktix]

I rest my case :P They're marked.

EDIT: WAIT A SECOND. I just clicked "Sexy Beautiful Women" and got a warning message :S

Yeah porn sites have that too, some porn sites don't even have any images on the first page, just a warning like that.

[GommeInc]

Yeah porn sites have that too, some porn sites don't even have any images on the first page, just a warning like that.
Well as mentioned by everyone here, you do not get any images come up on the main page nor titles of threads in the Popular Threads/Latest Posts sections, just marked sections of the website under Adult (18+). So what's the dispute? You're given a warning when about to view 18+ content. It's a no-brainer, this discussion is pointless and blocking/banning the website is a waste of time as it's already got systems in place to cover this. And the website isn't even a porn site :S

[FlyingJesus]

The difference between any chan site and porn sites is that chan sites have plenty of other uses which literally thousands of people use it for every day. RealRapTalk which happens to be the largest hip-hop forum on the net and is a fantastic source of not just news but also album downloads and plenty of other discussion features has a "Candy Shop" section with adult content, but you would never be able to compare RRT to a porn site and look like you know what you're talking about.

[Callum.]

Like been said, a porn site has nothing but porn on it, 4 jackie chan has so much more. Obviously linking has to be careful, but simply saying 4 jackie chan should be fine.

[Catzsy]

The problem is that the images can be on the front page - it is random. Sometimes they are and sometimes they are not but in any event the rules do say not to link to anything 18+ with sexual content so that's that really. It is a Habbo Fansite after all.

[W00TZEH]

Why is it only Oli replying? swear there are more members of staff.

[Hecktix]

Why is it only Oli replying? swear there are more members of staff.

I'm the only Forum Manager last time I checked :P Generally, Habbox Management have similar views therefore there'd be no need for them to post echoing what I've already said. It's my job to respond to feedback about the forum, so I'm doing so.

[W00TZEH]

Generally, Habbox Management have similar views therefore there'd be no need for them to post echoing what I've already said.
fascinating.

[FlyingJesus]

The problem is that the images can be on the front page

Only if they've been posted incorrectly into the wrong sections (which is against their rules and wins you an instant ban), and going by such logic one could assume that no site with public posting access ought to be mentioned at all just in case someone puts the wrong sort of content on it against the will of the owners

[Nixt]

Why is it only Oli replying? swear there are more members of staff.

Because, as far as I am concerned, my point still stands:


This isn't an infraction appeal so your points regarding the infraction are irrelevant. The link to the infraction appeal thread can be found in my signature.

Please do not tell me you want us to filter every single porn site, or site that contains pornographic images, on the internet. It would be impossible. If you know the content of the site and continue to post it, you are liable to have broken the rules and will be punished as a result.

The site contains a large amount of inappropriate content, therefore it violates the rules.

[GommeInc]

The site contains a large amount of inappropriate content, therefore it violates the rules.
Despite the fact it's regulated with warnings and so forth for viewing it? The name should be allowed to be mentioned, but if any content gets spilled onto here then you should take action :/ Outright banning it makes no sense.

[xxMATTGxx]

Despite the fact it's regulated with warnings and so forth for viewing it? The name should be allowed to be mentioned, but if any content gets spilled onto here then you should take action :/ Outright banning it makes no sense.

So are porn websites. They normally have big messages saying If you are not the age 18 or then you are not permitted to enter blah blah blah. Which normally doesn't even contain any of the images/videos but we still don't allow them to be posted on the forum.

[Blinger$]

So are porn websites. They normally have big messages saying If you are not the age 18 or then you are not permitted to enter blah blah blah. Which normally doesn't even contain any of the images/videos but we still don't allow them to be posted on the forum.
There is your problem, you can't single out which porn site has that problem and not. Whereas 4chan does warn you ;l

should be allowed.

[FlyingJesus]

The difference between any chan site and porn sites is that chan sites have plenty of other uses which literally thousands of people use it for every day. RealRapTalk which happens to be the largest hip-hop forum on the net and is a fantastic source of not just news but also album downloads and plenty of other discussion features has a "Candy Shop" section with adult content, but you would never be able to compare RRT to a porn site and look like you know what you're talking about.

This guy is a genius tbh, not that it should really take such a one to work out that a website with an over 18 section totally separate to the rest of it is different to a porn site.

[Recursion]

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/1005/censorship-censorship-is-stupid-marylin-monroe-isnt-demotivational-poster-1274768884.jpg

-waits for the warning/infraction/PM-

[Catzsy]

This guy is a genius tbh, not that it should really take such a one to work out that a website with an over 18 section totally separate to the rest of it is different to a porn site.

Okay well it is this simple.

1. Member mentions site

2. Another member googles it ( this would happen 99% of the time)

3. This is what you get


Search Results
*****n is the largest English imageboard on the web.
www.*****.org/ - Similar
Random
Sexy Beautiful Women
Animated GIF
Anime & Manga Hentai/Alternative Video Games
Flash
Wallpapers/General
More results from ********

4. Member presses Sexy Beautiful women and up comes graphic 18+ content(porn) with no warning.

The rules do not allow members to link to 18+ content.

[SkaterChu]

I don't use this forum enough to know how it works, but surely mentioning the name on here isn't as serious as you're making out? Yeah, you've got young users, but so has Habbo and they mentioned it in this article: http://www.habbo.com/credits/furniture_news/1747-thursday-temptations


Hmmm, sound a little far fetched? Well that’s because it is. The votes for North Korea went viral thanks to chan4 who helped the communist country

[W00TZEH]

Okay well it is this simple.

1. Member mentions site

2. Another member googles it ( this would happen 99% of the time)

3. This is what you get



4. Member presses Sexy Beautiful women and up comes graphic 18+ content(porn) with no warning.

The rules do not allow members to link to 18+ content.
The actual homepage displays no 18+ content though.

[Catzsy]

The actual homepage displays no 18+ content though.

It does randomly Wootzeh.

@SkaterChu
I don't use this forum enough to know how it works, but surely mentioning the name on here isn't as serious as you're making out? Yeah, you've got young users, but so has Habbo and they mentioned it in this article: http://www.habbo.com/credits/furnitu...ay-temptations

Hmmm, sound a little far fetched? Well that’s because it is. The votes for North Korea went viral thanks to chan4 who helped the communist country

Ryan, tbh there is not much to back it up there. We can't assume that Habbo know that there is porn on the site.
The way they are operating at the moment I would have grave doubts.

I had a warning last night - the first I have ever had for discussing with Alkaz what the first two weeks of University are like. The worst words I used were, drink, Medical, modules, ID, Doctor. The mind boggles at what's going on there! :S

[Callum.]

I don't use this forum enough to know how it works, but surely mentioning the name on here isn't as serious as you're making out? Yeah, you've got young users, but so has Habbo and they mentioned it in this article: http://www.habbo.com/credits/furniture_news/1747-thursday-temptations

this


It does randomly Wootzeh.

@SkaterChu

Ryan, tbh there is not much to back it up there. We can't assume that Habbo know that there is porn on the site.
The way they are operating at the moment I would have grave doubts.

I had a warning last night - the first I have ever had for discussing with Alkaz what the first two weeks of University are like. The worst words I used were, drink, Medical, modules, ID, Doctor. The mind boggles at what's going on there! :S

I sat there for 5 mins refreshing and nothing came up. They wouldn't put 18+ catagories on the random images since it's what it says, 18+.

[Special]

The actual homepage displays no 18+ content though.

it does

contains some form of nudity that may be unsuitable for minors

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/4682/454t.png

[FlyingJesus]

Okay well it is this simple.

1. Member mentions site

2. Another member googles it ( this would happen 99% of the time)

3. This is what you get



4. Member presses Sexy Beautiful women and up comes graphic 18+ content(porn) with no warning.

The rules do not allow members to link to 18+ content.

So now anything with a dodgy Google link should be censored? Type in "college party" on Google and see what comes up. Type in "teen babysitter" and check out those results. Both of these things might come up in conversation on the forum because of the demographic, but I suppose it ought to not be allowed just in case someone decides to Google it and sees something graphic.


It does randomly Wootzeh.

it does

contains some form of nudity that may be unsuitable for minors

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/4682/454t.png

I feel like I'm repeating myself, not sure why...


Only if they've been posted incorrectly into the wrong sections (which is against their rules and wins you an instant ban), and going by such logic one could assume that no site with public posting access ought to be mentioned at all just in case someone puts the wrong sort of content on it against the will of the owners

[GommeInc]

So are porn websites. They normally have big messages saying If you are not the age 18 or then you are not permitted to enter blah blah blah. Which normally doesn't even contain any of the images/videos but we still don't allow them to be posted on the forum.
Again, they're PORN sites. This site isn't a PORN site. It has more non-18/non-adult content. So your point is invalid :/


Okay well it is this simple.

1. Member mentions site

2. Another member googles it ( this would happen 99% of the time)

3. This is what you get



4. Member presses Sexy Beautiful women and up comes graphic 18+ content(porn) with no warning.

The rules do not allow members to link to 18+ content.
Their problem, they went looking for it :/ It's not an 18+ site, YouTube is an 18+ site and so is DeviantART, using that logic :/

[Meanies]

Okay well it is this simple.

1. Member mentions site

2. Another member googles it ( this would happen 99% of the time)

3. This is what you get



4. Member presses Sexy Beautiful women and up comes graphic 18+ content(porn) with no warning.

The rules do not allow members to link to 18+ content.

in your example, the member isn't linking to anything because the other user googled it and it's their own doing as they obviously know sexy beautiful women is going to be some form of porn

[Catzsy]

So now anything with a dodgy Google link should be censored? Type in "college party" on Google and see what comes up. Type in "teen babysitter" and check out those results. Both of these things might come up in conversation on the forum because of the demographic, but I suppose it ought to not be allowed just in case someone decides to Google it and sees something graphic. feel like I'm repeating myself, not sure why...


But they wouldn't because a site has not been named. That is a bit nonsensical Tom for someone who usually has great logic. If a member said 'google' 'teen baby sitter' and it led to inappropriate images the same action would be taken. Some member did say google something I cannot remember what the other week and it showed up extremely gory and most inappropriate images. Action was therefore taken. It is only natural for members when somebody mentions a site for them to 'google' it.


I

Again, they're PORN sites. This site isn't a PORN site. It has more non-18/non-adult content. So your point is invalid :/


Their problem, they went looking for it :/ It's not an 18+ site, YouTube is an 18+ site and so is DeviantART, using that logic :/

No it's not a porn site, Gomme, but it is a site with porn which you can access from google without a warning being given and the rules are quite specific about 18+ sexual material.

[GommeInc]

No it's not a porn site, Gomme, but it is a site with porn which you can access from google without a warning being given and the rules are quite specific about 18+ sexual material.

4chan is the largest English imageboard on the web.
www.4chan.org/ - Similar
Random
Sexy Beautiful Women
Animated GIF
Anime & Manga

Hentai/Alternative
Video Games
Flash
Wallpapers/General
Kinda obvious really, if I see a link to "Penises and Vaginas" I kinda expect to see penises and vaginas splashed around the screen like th last wash of a car :/ Clicking "Sexy Beautiful Women" is kinda obvious, so yeah you're not exactly being tricked into it. It's like any other website. Outright banning the name on the forum appears to have no full blown conclusion, and appears to be done on a whim. It will no doubt be removed once the realisation that it's not a porn site sinks in, and that most of what management have said makes no sense and has nearly (if all) been proven wrong.

And it's even mentioned on Habbo (as SkaterChu pointed out) :/ Bit strange they're mentioning a porn site (according to Oli and Matt) on Habbo :/

[Catzsy]

So now anything with a dodgy Google link should be censored? Type in "college party" on Google and see what comes up. Type in "teen babysitter" and check out those results. Both of these things might come up in conversation on the forum because of the demographic, but I suppose it ought to not be allowed just in case someone decides to Google it and sees something graphic.



I feel like I'm repeating myself, not sure why...


Again, they're PORN sites. This site isn't a PORN site. It has more non-18/non-adult content. So your point is invalid :/


Their problem, they went looking for it :/ It's not an 18+ site, YouTube is an 18+ site and so is DeviantART, using that logic :/


Kinda obvious really, if I see a link to "Penises and Vaginas" I kinda expect to see penises and vaginas splashed around the screen like th last wash of a car :/ Clicking "Sexy Beautiful Women" is kinda obvious, so yeah you're not exactly being tricked into it. It's like any other website. Outright banning the name on the forum appears to have no full blown conclusion, and appears to be done on a whim. It will no doubt be removed once the realisation that it's not a porn site sinks in, and that most of what management have said makes no sense and has nearly (if all) been proven wrong.

And it's even mentioned on Habbo (as SkaterChu pointed out) :/ Bit strange they're mentioning a porn site (according to Oli and Matt) on Habbo :/

Well as I said the way Habbo is at the moment they probably don't even know. I don't think Management have been proven wrong at all.

[xxMATTGxx]

I'm not saying 4 is a full on porn site, I just know there some is some right nasty and odd areas of that website. :P

[GommeInc]

Well as I said the way Habbo is at the moment they probably don't even know. I don't think Management have been proven wrong at all.


So are porn websites. They normally have big messages saying If you are not the age 18 or then you are not permitted to enter blah blah blah. Which normally doesn't even contain any of the images/videos but we still don't allow them to be posted on the forum.
^ It's not a porn site, so this post is irrelevant to discussion. It's what Habbox would be if it had an 18+ section. This post is wrong.


Yeah porn sites have that too, some porn sites don't even have any images on the first page, just a warning like that.
^ This post is similar to the above. It's not a porn site, it's a larger community which has an 18+ section. Why should the site suffer when the majority of its users and contents are not 18+ related? This post is proven wrong.


The problem is that the images can be on the front page - it is random. Sometimes they are and sometimes they are not but in any event the rules do say not to link to anything 18+ with sexual content so that's that really. It is a Habbo Fansite after all.
^ This post makes little sense. Should we block any website that's had a user post content in the wrong section? Any "unsafe work content" doesn't appear in the forum. It's similar to a member on this forum posting banned content and it appearing in latest posts. Like when Habbox had dirty images on it. 4-chan self-regulate, don't do it for them when the majority of the site is perfectly harmless.


there's a difference between sometimes having dodgy pictures and always having dodgy pictures, I just went on the site, clicked two links and saw a fully naked woman, it's not a very nice site for youngsters
^ He went looking for it. There's a difference. You also get greeted with a warning visiting any section of the site. This post is void and is again focusing on a small part of the 4-chan community. Again, why should we only focus on the 18+ side of 4-chan, when the majority is harmless and quite interesting? (link:http://boards.4chan.org/k/res/6774322#6774545) Is talking about world war II, but this is wrong because it's on a site that contains an 18+ section? Seems kinda pedantic to me :/

It's talked about in all areas of the media and in other communities like Habbo and the BBC. If they can, then so should we. Heck, the BBC don't allow abbreviations as they focus on mature debate (something we can't have as we're strictly a teen community so it;s best to focus on that area), yet they can mention 4-chan as it is just a large community with a large variety of different sections.

In short, I think you're suggesting you moderate children beyond the forum, when they can do that themselves. They'll only hear about it somewhere else IF they're told about and go looking for the dodgy content :/ Most of it that I've seen is fine, with the odd swear chucked in which will get the same treatment on here as with YouTube:

THIS VIDEO CONTAINS SWEARING...
THIS WEBSITE/LINK CONTAINS SWEARING... etc etc

Same logic as you get with the warning on 4-chan really :/


I'm not saying 4 is a full on porn site, I just know there some is some right nasty and odd areas of that website. :P
You said in your post "when you visit a porn site", seeing as this isn't a porn site it's kinda pointless :P

[Catzsy]

So what's your actual issue, Gomme? That is it okay to link to 18+ sexual material on a website that discusses other things? What the was context & intention of the original post? If there is a link to the techological section and nothing 18+ showed up what's the problem? I don't think they are saying ban the site. They are just saying don't state the name as it can lead to 18+ material with no warnings. I don't really see what your gripe is.

[buttons]

It's never been allowed as far as I can remember and it seems Catzsy also backs up that claim so I'm not going mad or anything :P
It does make sense, we have a lot of younger members nowadays and I'd like to think a lot of these guys don't know anything about such sites - I didn't at their age. We have a duty to provide these youngsters with a safe environment and not see them led off to inappropriate sites - and let's be honest the website mentioned contains illegal as well as inappropriate material, it's always been Habbox policy not to let these sites anywhere near our forums.

I agree with Catzsy that it should be common sense not to post it however filtering it is an option.
you do not have that duty at all. you're a forum, its not your job to stop people going on other sites which are NOT ILLEGAL. you don't have control over what people should and shouldn't be seeing. if parents really gave 2 ***** on what their child was reading they would put on parental settings, i know mine did ;) and as for "it's never been allowed":

You should know how the moderation system works, if you've had a warning or infraction for inappropriate content, you get another one. No special treatment anywhere.
why are you avoiding the fact that many other people (http://www.habboxforum.com/search.php?searchid=375595) have said it and had nothing done about it? funny how garion leaves a whole thread dedicated to it (as you can see he edits one post but leaves the thread as a whole - http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=559807&highlight=4chan and before you start using the ops post to sum up why 4CHAN is so bad, read the rest of the thread. + if it was so bad why was he allowed to post the name :rolleyes:)
this place is a joke caution me for saying the site name everyone else already has cause i really cba.

2. Another member googles it ( this would happen 99% of the time)
legitimate figure right there, you are so right. at least make it a believable statistic and you wouldn't look like you're trying too hard ^^

Ryan, tbh there is not much to back it up there. We can't assume that Habbo know that there is porn on the site.
The way they are operating at the moment I would have grave doubts.

Well as I said the way Habbo is at the moment they probably don't even know. I don't think Management have been proven wrong at all.
i've actually just laughed at your "points", they're ridiculous.

[GommeInc]

No, I think it's fine to link to a website/community which has a range of discussions. I don't agree with linking to any of the 18+ content as we have rules against that. Like I did, I linked to a section which was fine. IF it contains swearing, then you would do what you do with YouTube and mention it has swearing. I don't think it's right to block a website because it has 18+ sections on the site (sections meaning adult material) when the majority of the website isn't adult material and enlightens discussions, with the groups of people who may use it for malicious reasons. In short, it's like blocking YouTube or any other website, because if you look hard enough you can find naughty content. The key word here is: Look. YouTube has groups of people who are malicious and troll the web, Habbox may have some :/

The name is fine, my gripe is banning the name is pointless. It's not a dirty website as you all seem to assume. It's mentioned everywhere, but yet again HxF feels the need to be irritatingly different :/ The name suggests nothing, and as mentioned before searching for it isn't deceptive - the Google results show "Sexy Beautiful Women". Common sense (which is now described as a super power it seems) would tell you what the content is.

So I see you agree we should ban the names YouTube, Piczo and DeviantART, because, as you said about 4-chan "...don't state the name as it can lead to 18+ material with no warnings."

[Catzsy]

you do not have that duty at all. you're a forum, its not your job to stop people going on other sites which are NOT ILLEGAL. you don't have control over what people should and shouldn't be seeing. if parents really gave 2 ***** on what their child was reading they would put on parental settings, i know mine did ;) and as for "it's never been allowed":

why are you avoiding the fact that many other people (http://www.habboxforum.com/search.php?searchid=375595) have said it and had nothing done about it? funny how garion leaves a whole thread dedicated to it (as you can see he edits one post but leaves the thread as a whole - http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=559807&highlight=4chan and before you start using the ops post to sum up why 4CHAN is so bad, read the rest of the thread. + if it was so bad why was he allowed to post the name :rolleyes:)
this place is a joke caution me for saying the site name everyone else already has cause i really cba.

legitimate figure right there, you are so right. at least make it a believable statistic and you wouldn't look like you're trying too hard ^^
i've actually just laughed at your "points", they're ridiculous.
Well you would think that, wouldn't you so I carried out a test.:P

If you google it as members would have done this is what happened when I press the links.

Random - Porn
Sexy Beautiful Women - well that's obvious.
Animated GIF - Porn
Anime & Manga Hentai/Alternative - okay
Video Games - Porn
Flash - Porn
Wallpapers/General - okay

That's acceptable is it even if Habbo mention it? I still believe they wouldn't if they researched it more.
Habbox is responsible for for their members and for keeping the 'Fansite Way'



*Publish any material which may be offensive to other users or contains sexual content.Allowing links to porn would be a violation of that I believe. Habbox is being responsible as these links contained no warnings at all.

[GommeInc]

Well you would think that, wouldn't you so I carried out a test.:P

If you google it as members would have done this is what happened when I press the links.

Random - Porn
Sexy Beautiful Women - well that's obvious.
Animated GIF - Porn
Anime & Manga Hentai/Alternative - okay
Video Games - Porn
Flash - Porn
Wallpapers/General - okay

That's acceptable is it even if Habbo mention it? I still believe they wouldn't if they researched it more.
Habbox is responsible for for their members and for keeping the 'Fansite Way'

Allowing links to porn would be a violation of that I believe. Habbox is being responsible.
And this is Habbox's problem, because? Let your members moderate themselves, once they click onto Google to search something it's their fault and isn't anything to do with YOU. May I ask, does Habbox Forum moderators moderate the forum, or do they moderate their members? They're forum moderators, not member moderators. IF mebers do not know what 4-chan is, then they cans earch for it, it's their fault if they find themselves on the dirty parts, though I do admit Google doesn't advertise it well with that.

Will you be blocking murder, beheading, rape, penis, vagina as well incase members search for them themselves and you feel the need to hold their hands? If I see Xtube, *******, Lezza (this is where my knowledge of sites dies) posted somewhere I'm not going to blame Habbox :/ Especially when they're strictly porn sites AND I'll be looking for them. 4-chan isn't :/

Also, you're talking about material, 4-chan isn't offensive or sexual content, that would be like calling YouTube offensive or sexual content because it so happens has such a section IF you look for them. It contains sexual content IF you look for it, but so does YouTube IF you look for it. Same with DeviantART mentioned previously, IF you look for it :/

And is the way a website advertises themselves on Google really any of our business, when the website itself is quite tame? :/

[Robbie]

I think this thread has highlighted something that I've thought for a while now. Habbox is too concerned about nannying the users and deciding for them what they should and shouldn't see. Obviously shock sites and blatently obvious inappropriate sites such as "spinning meat" should be filtered. However, any site can have inappropriate material.

By the logic of some people, all outside links should be banned because they may contain material that is not all fluffy and nice. It's not up to Habbox to decide what people do and don't want to look at, and I think this stupidity needs to stop. Even Habbo is less concerned about language etc than Habbox now. There is an option to turn the filter off on the Habbo client and that isn't age restricted - so why can't Habbox add that option?

Anyone can find anything if they go looking for it, there's questionable material all over the web and you can't try and tell people what they can and can't visit, because they'll find it themselves if they really want. As Wootzeh said, the majority of the forum is not NSFW material and the NSFW material is clearly placed under its own section with an 18+ warning, and you are given another warning when you click it. As others have said, you may as well ban all outside links like YouTube and Facebook because I'm sure there's stuff on there that's 'inappropriate'.

4chump has been mentioned on television, news sites, radio, Habbo itself etc - so why, after all these years, is Habbox being such a restrictive nanny. You talk about wanting to keep the older users visiting and active, well if you keep filtering and stopping everything, and treating everyone like five year olds because of a few younger members, then I'm sorry, but they're just going to leave. Add a filter on/off option, allow links to sites like this, and I'm sure you'll get some positive feedback from the older members. It's up to individuals to decide what they look at.

[Catzsy]

And this is Habbox's problem, because? Let your members moderate themselves, once they click onto Google to search something it's their fault and isn't anything to do with YOU. May I ask, does Habbox Forum moderators moderate the forum, or do they moderate their members? They're forum moderators, not member moderators. IF mebers do not know what 4-chan is, then they cans earch for it, it's their fault if they find themselves on the dirty parts, though I do admit Google doesn't advertise it well with that.

Will you be blocking murder, beheading, rape, penis, vagina as well incase members search for them themselves and you feel the need to hold their hands? If I see Xtube, *******, Lezza (this is where my knowledge of sites dies) posted somewhere I'm not going to blame Habbox :/ Especially when they're strictly porn sites AND I'll be looking for them. 4-chan isn't :/

Also, you're talking about material, 4-chan isn't offensive or sexual content, that would be like calling YouTube offensive or sexual content because it so happens has such section IF you look for them. It contains sexual content IF you look for it, but so does YouTube IF you look for it.

They moderate the forum and 18+ sexual content is not allowed to be posted or linked. It's in the rules. Always has been so you should be arguing against the rules not making the case you are. If Youtube had porn on the google link that could be accessed by a member without a warning, the same would apply as would links to beheading and rape. The content I clicked on was very graphic indeed so I cannot describe it as it's against the rules!

[GommeInc]

They moderate the forum and 18+ sexual content is not allowed to be posted or linked. It's in the rules. Always has been so you should be arguing against the rules not making the case you are. If Youtube had porn on the google link that could be accessed by a member without a warning, the same would apply. The content I clicked on was very graphic indeed so I cannot describe it as it's against the rules!
4-chan isn't 18+ content, it's a website. By definition, content is:

"a list of divisions (chapters or articles) and the pages on which they start"

Therefore, calling 4-chan "content" is inappropriate and wrong. 4-chan is a website. It would be wrong to link to 4-chan IF the link contains anything against the rules as the rule suggests. However, mentioning the name isn't publishing content, it's publishing the name - which is where YouTube and DeviantART come in, mentioning them and link to them is fine, provided you're not linking to any content agaisnt the rules, they're a name yet the content or material is what comes into question with the forum rules here.

In short: You're a forum moderator, moderate the forum (e.g. what happens on the forum) not the members (what happens with them in or out of the forum). I fthey search it, they're taking the same risk. Suggesting you have to control suggests you think HxF is the only forum they visit :P

[buttons]

And this is Habbox's problem, because? Let your members moderate themselves, once they click onto Google to search something it's their fault and isn't anything to do with YOU. May I ask, does Habbox Forum moderators moderate the forum, or do they moderate their members? They're forum moderators, not member moderators. IF mebers do not know what 4-chan is, then they cans earch for it, it's their fault if they find themselves on the dirty parts, though I do admit Google doesn't advertise it well with that.
+1

By the logic of some people, all outside links should be banned because they may contain material that is not all fluffy and nice. It's not up to Habbox to decide what people do and don't want to look at, and I think this stupidity needs to stop.

Anyone can find anything if they go looking for it, there's questionable material all over the web and you can't try and tell people what they can and can't visit, because they'll find it themselves if they really want.
+1

They moderate the forum and 18+ sexual content is not allowed to be posted or linked. It's in the rules. Always has been so you should be arguing against the rules not making the case you are. If Youtube had porn on the google link that could be accessed by a member without a warning, the same would apply as would links to beheading and rape. The content I clicked on was very graphic indeed so I cannot describe it as it's against the rules!
yes, you're right 18+ content is not allowed. no-one is saying it should be. if it's always been against the rules then explain: http://www.habboxforum.com/search.php?searchid=375595 and the other thread i posted where present and previous staff posted in:S one rule for one person it seems :rolleyes:

[Hecktix]

+1

+1

yes, you're right 18+ content is not allowed. no-one is saying it should be. if it's always been against the rules then explain: http://www.habboxforum.com/search.php?searchid=375595 and the other thread i posted where present and previous staff posted in:S one rule for one person it seems :rolleyes:

How is it one rule for one person when many people have been contacted regarding doing it? It's been against the rules for some time.

[buttons]

How is it one rule for one person when many people have been contacted regarding doing it? It's been against the rules for some time.
i love how you ignore the other points again.
then myself and gommeinc should be contacted soon for saying the name, yes? and how long has this rule been in place because when you search 4chan (oopz, did it again) it's here;
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=650670&highlight=4chan
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=654728&highlight=4chan
they're relatively new :S

[Hecktix]

i love how you ignore the other points again.
then myself and gommeinc should be contacted soon for saying the name, yes? and how long has this rule been in place because when you search 4chan (oopz, did it again) it's here;
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=650670&highlight=4chan
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=654728&highlight=4chan
they're relatively new :S

It appears these have slipped through moderation unfortunately, there are many instances of it being removed in the past and unfortunately in these two threads it's not been picked up on - something I shall speak with moderators about.

As these posts are over 10 days old I cannot take action but have removed the site name and added it to the filter.

[buttons]

well there's a lot more even before then. so you just filter it even though people have given you valid reasons not to? you don't even reply to them? have you given up because they were right? please yourself :S

[Hecktix]

well there's a lot more even before then. so you just filter it even though people have given you valid reasons not to? you don't even reply to them? have you given up because they were right? please yourself :S

I've filtered it because myself and General Management have said it's against the rules and I'd rather people didn't get into "trouble" as it were for saying it as this wastes mods time, it's easier to have it filtered.

[GommeInc]

It appears these have slipped through moderation unfortunately, there are many instances of it being removed in the past and unfortunately in these two threads it's not been picked up on - something I shall speak with moderators about.

As these posts are over 10 days old I cannot take action but have removed the site name and added it to the filter.

And the damage done by the people who mentioned it was...? :/


I've filtered it because myself and General Management have said it's against the rules and I'd rather people didn't get into "trouble" as it were for saying it as this wastes mods time, it's easier to have it filtered.
... How? It's an online community like ours, except alot bigger and has an 18+ section. Filtering it because of the 18+ side is irrational and pretty stupid really, especially when the reasons put forward by General Management make no sense. I give it a few weeks before it's unfiltered, seeing as it is pointless :/

[Robbie]

Any chance the other points that have been made on the last page can be replied to... instead of just talking about posts you've missed..

[Axel]

Well as I said the way Habbo is at the moment they probably don't even know. I don't think Management have been proven wrong at all.

Well like you've said, they'd surely google it ("which happens 99% of the time") and see that it is. But they still mentioned it.

[Catzsy]

4-chan isn't 18+ content, it's a website. By definition, content is:

"a list of divisions (chapters or articles) and the pages on which they start"

Therefore, calling 4-chan "content" is inappropriate and wrong. 4-chan is a website. It would be wrong to link to 4-chan IF the link contains anything against the rules as the rule suggests. However, mentioning the name isn't publishing content, it's publishing the name - which is where YouTube and DeviantART come in, mentioning them and link to them is fine, provided you're not linking to any content agaisnt the rules, they're a name yet the content or material is what comes into question with the forum rules here.

In short: You're a forum moderator, moderate the forum (e.g. what happens on the forum) not the members (what happens with them in or out of the forum). I fthey search it, they're taking the same risk. Suggesting you have to control suggests you think HxF is the only forum they visit :P

I suggest you google it as I have done and click the links. The material you will find would not be allowed on any unencrypted TV channel and only on the encrypted ones after a certain time at night. No point carrying on debating it
unless your eyes deceive you. Again I am not saying that you shouldn't post a harmless link on it but this is just against the rules as it leads straight to porn without any warning at all.

A2. Do not post inappropriately ~ Habbox Forum has an audience that includes younger members, and as such all content must be suitable for those members. You must not:

Talk about adult subjects in an explicit manner.
Swear or avoid the forum filter in any way (including by using abbreviations)
Post images, videos or links that with inappropriate content like gore, nudity, obscenity or annoyance.
Mildly inappropriate content (never anything rated 18+) is allowed where sufficient warning is added into the post and the image or link is placed within a spoiler. The final decision on what is or is not inappropriate is at the Moderator's discretion

[GommeInc]

I suggest you google it as I have done and click the links. The material you will find would not be allowed on any unencrypted TV channel and only on the encrypted ones after a certain time at night. No point carrying on debating it
unless your eyes deceive you. Again I am not saying that you shouldn't post a harmless link on it but this is just against the rules as it leads straight to porn without any warning at all.
Again, you're meant to be moderating members on the forum, not nanny them off the board too. If ***** advertise themselves like that on Google, then fair dos, but if you actually go on it it's not a porn site. Again, you're focusing on just the porn aspect like a grandmother. As far as common sense goes, there's no reason filtering the name, when the site isn't an adult site or porn site :/

[Catzsy]

Again, you're meant to be moderating members on the forum, not nanny them off the board too. If ***** advertise themselves like that on Google, then fair dos, but if you actually go on it it's not a porn site. Again, you're focusing on just the porn aspect like a grandmother. As far as common sense goes, there's no reason filtering the name, when the site isn't an adult site or porn site :/

I did not say filter it. :S It is a site with porn though Gomme, with no warnings. I really do not see how you can argue against it unless you suggest an amendment to the rule.

[GommeInc]

There doesn't need to be, it was fine the way it was before pedanticism came in :S Unfilter it, it's pointless. It's not a porn site and it seems the obvious is getting ignored when the majority are not against the site. I'm sure it was Oli that said if the majority are okay with it, you listen. As far as many members are concerned, you get the odd comment that is blatantly ignoring the more constructive posts.

1. It's not porn.
2. There are warnings on the main site.
3. A fraction of it is adult content.
4. It's mentioned all over the internet, in real life and on sites that do not allow porngraphy and have strict rules to some extent e.g. Habbo and BBC.

So far, the only reason to block it is because of the Google description, which isn't anything to do with Habbox Forum as Habbox Forum is a Forum, you moderate the Forum, not the members and websites around it :/ You're not cyber police :/

Why does Habbox feel the need to nanny beyond the forum, when no rule covers it? The rule you mentioned covers content, and seeing as loads of sites have adult content, it's void. One rule for one website and one for others it seems :/

[Robbie]

I did not say filter it. :S It is a site with porn though Gomme, with no warnings. I really do not see how you can argue against it unless you suggest an amendment to the rule.

It does have warnings though. They're under their own section that says 18+ Only and when you click a link under that section you are given a second warning.

[Catzsy]

It does have warnings though. They're under their own section that says 18+ Only and when you click a link under that section you are given a second warning.

Not if you google it and click the links. Try it?

[GommeInc]

Not if you google it and click the links. Try it?
Again, not your problem - that's Google's and 4-chans :/

Focus on the website in general, not the adult content. The website is more than just porn :/

Also, you said you think they should allow links. What if people Google 4-chan because of the links? Or go to the adult sections after following a link? Would you want to hold their hand through their online browsing experience too?

[Robbie]

Why can't we just put a !!!!! WARNING !!!!!! thing and a spoiler like other things (and even that's stupid)

[Catzsy]

Again, not your problem - that's Google's and 4-chans :/

Focus on the website in general, not the adult content. The website is more than just porn :/

Also, you said you think they should allow links. What if people Google 4-chan because of the links? Or go to the adult sections after following a link? Would you want to hold their hand through their online browsing experience too?

This getting very wearing now as I said before if somebody mentions a site then 99 out of a 100 a member will google it so could you please do so (as you are of age) and tell me that if you click some of the links 18+ adult sexual content comes up even when it says 'random' or 'animated gif' with no warning. Without you doing that I feel your argument is just a load of hot air.

@ Robbie. You can put a warning for mildly inappropriate content but this isn't.

[GommeInc]

Don't know :/ Who's up for a *REMOVED* :P


This getting very wearing now as I said before if somebody mentions a site then 99 out of a 100 a member will google it so could you please do so (as you are of age) and tell me that if you click some of the links 18+ adult sexual content comes up even when it says 'random' or 'animated gif' with no warning. Without you doing that I feel your argument is just a load of hot air.
Because it's not your problem :/ It never has been, why is this suddenly arising when NO damage has ever been done before? It's a pointless discussion - the website isn't porn as 2 members of management wrongly accused it of being. It's just a huge online community.

And where did you get that statistic? Who are you to say they will click the links and NOT the URL Google links to? If 4-chan is mentioned, you usually go to the website, not the pages. Which is what I did.

Your argument, no offensive, is alot of hot air and pretty scattered, one moment it's a porn site and it seems the only thing to cling on to now to filter it is a Google description, despite the fact it's not a porn site and it's mentioned everywhere as it does have social use beyond that of porn :/ It's a powerful community, and the reason it's so powerful and mentoned alot is because of the other sections :/

Edited by Cosmic (Forum Super Moderator) Please do not mention the names of sites that contain pornographic material.

[Axel]

It is not a porn site, and there are warnings. It should not be filtered just because there are a few boards dedicated to it... a lot of the site is just normal boards. And besides, the way you're looking at it, it's as if every 12 year old on this website doesn't know about stuff like porn. I'm sure everyone and their mother on the internet has heard of porn - why isn't porn filtered then? Anyone could just google porn, and find it, if they're willing. Likewise, if someone mentions *****, and someone googles it, they'd only go on a board called sexy beautiful women KNOWING that it would contain something 'bad'. They're not going to stumble upon something bad acidentally with a name like that, unless they're looking for it, and in that case it has nothing to do with HXF.

[GommeInc]

It is not a porn site, and there are warnings. It should not be filtered just because there are a few boards dedicated to it... a lot of the site is just normal boards. And besides, the way you're looking at it, it's as if every 12 year old on this website doesn't know about stuff like porn. I'm sure everyone and their mother on the internet has heard of porn - why isn't porn filtered then? Anyone could just google porn, and find it, if they're willing. Likewise, if someone mentions *****, and someone googles it, they'd only go on a board called sexy beautiful women KNOWING that it would contain something 'bad'. They're not going to stumble upon something bad acidentally with a name like that, unless they're looking for it, and in that case it has nothing to do with HXF.
Precisely, Habbox has never felt the need to moderate members outside of Habbox Forum before, which is what the dispute is over, and it's only one reason to filter it seems and that's a description on another 3rd party website, when 4-chan itself doesn't advertise itself as an adult site filled with porn.

The idea was to empty the filter or pointless words, not add harmless ones because of a Google description which apparently everyone will click the links to. If people are interested in it, they Google search it and click the main Google link which in this case is just called: 4chan It's unlikely the immediate interest would be "Hentai/Alternative", "Sexy Beautiful Women" (even though it's obvious) :/

Like Google searching YouTube, would you really go straight to the sport link? Unlikely :/

[Smits]

Not if you google it and click the links. Try it?

I'm sick of seeing this point repeated. If a user googles it, it's their own fault. When they google it they are clearly warned about some of the boards, if they then proceed to click that sexy beautiful women link, it's their choice. If you're saying they can't work out what might be on such board, then since when has this forum been for the mentally challenged?

Some of the defensive points made in this thread are just stupid, and completely flawed.

[Catzsy]

Don't know :/ Who's up for a *REMOVED* :P


Because it's not your problem :/ It never has been, why is this suddenly arising when NO damage has ever been done before? It's a pointless discussion - the website isn't porn as 2 members of management wrongly accused it of being. It's just a huge online community.

And where did you get that statistic? Who are you to say they will click the links and NOT the URL Google links to? If 4-chan is mentioned, you usually go to the website, not the pages. Which is what I did.

Your argument, no offensive, is alot of hot air and pretty scattered, one moment it's a porn site and it seems the only thing to cling on to now to filter it is a Google description, despite the fact it's not a porn site and it's mentioned everywhere as it does have social use beyond that of porn :/ It's a powerful community, and the reason it's so powerful and mentoned alot is because of the other sections :/

No I have never said it was a porn site - refer to where I have? I said it was a site with porn. There are no warnings from the google link. You would have more credibilty if you did what I asked a couple of posts ago and reported what you saw. Seriously when you see links - you press them for the areas you are interested in. That's commonsense. At the present time of you click animation you would get porn. Now please don't put forward the same arguments without exploring what I say might be right. I am not saying it is not a good community and I didn't say it should be filtered.

[Smits]

No I have never said it was a porn site - refer to where I have? I said it was a site with porn. There are no warnings from the google link. You would have more credibilty if you did what I asked a couple of posts ago and reported what you saw. Seriously when you see links - you press them for the areas you are interested in. That's commonsense.

And in that case, the user would only be clicking the links if they had an interesting in 'sexy beautiful women' or likewise

[GommeInc]

No I have never said it was a porn site - refer to where I have? I said it was a site with porn. There are no warnings from the google link. You would have more credibilty if you did what I asked a couple of posts ago and reported what you saw. Seriously when you see links - you press them for the areas you are interested in. That's commonsense. At the present time of you click animation you would get porn. Now please don't put forward the same arguments without exploring what I say might be right. I am not saying it is not a good community and I didn't say it should be filtered.

The way you kept going on about the 18+ material being splashed on the front page was pretty much the same as calling it a porn site :P
And again, you're not the cyber police, your duty is to moderate the forum, not the internet. If people Google search it then they do so at their own discretion, and I am fairly certain the HxF ToC mentions this :/

And as Smits said, if you click a link that interests you, then you must know what Hentai means, and Sexy Beautiful Women and so forth :P And when you're searching for a site you've never heard of, you go straight to the main Google search result in bold, although why we're discussing this when we're talking about moderating the members and the forum, and how Google reference their findings, is completely irrelevant :/

So what are the reasons to filter it? So far the only reasons I can see that are near valid are the Google result field (nothing to do with Habbox) and WOOTZEH suggesting it, which is one member suggestion for it against many hundreds of opinions against filtering it :/

[W00TZEH]

Hey, I only suggested filtering it so I could get my infraction reversed. I'm all for keeping it unfiltered otherwise. :D

[Robbie]

I can't believe it's just been filtered like this. Surely you should ask members first - and I've not seen other members of 'senior management' agreeing that it should be filtered. Just seems like a bit of a power trip to me..

The main problem is Habbox thinking they should be able to nanny everyone and control what people see on the internet. That's impossible and Habbox have taken it too far trying to be 'protective'.

[Tintinnabulate]

I haven't logged on for a few days mainly because this forum is turning into a load of ********.

This filtering is pathetic. Catzsy, please stop making ridiculous statistics with no source or backing as it makes you look silly.

Thirdly, Jin along with ALL previous General Management, Forum Managers, Super Moderators, Moderators, members NEVER had problems with links to forums with porn on. How do I know? Err because I linked to RapidLinks and iRapid lots of times which had an XXX section. Jin had replied and so had previous management to my thread advertising it, NONE of them said its against the rules - if anything they said its good.

So yeah, looks like this current forum and general management are trying to be like the dictator of North Korea. If they think they are helping kids not see porn by preventing links to sites such as 4-chan, then they are nothing but stupid. Most kids - the second they start using the computer - know where to find porn.

If anything, Habbo has become less strict and Habbox has gone in the opposite direction. Well done.

I like how WSJ, Times, Guardian, NYT and all leading newspapers write articles on 4-chan. The owner gives guest lectures at top universities and yet HabboxForum filters it. L O L.

Another stupid decision.

[FlyingJesus]

But they wouldn't because a site has not been named. That is a bit nonsensical Tom for someone who usually has great logic. If a member said 'google' 'teen baby sitter' and it led to inappropriate images the same action would be taken. Some member did say google something I cannot remember what the other week and it showed up extremely gory and most inappropriate images. Action was therefore taken. It is only natural for members when somebody mentions a site for them to 'google' it.

It's not nonsensical and is in fact the exact same point because you're talking about someone taking it upon themselves to do a search for something that's being discussed. Of course giving actual links to a specific page with 18+ content would be a problem, but that's obvious enough that it hasn't ever been the point of this thread.


So what's your actual issue, Gomme? That is it okay to link to 18+ sexual material on a website that discusses other things?

Again, this has never been said. It's the fact that mere mention of the site in question (ie: not links) has led to warnings/infractions, which is ridiculous.


If you google it

... then it is your own responsibility and nothing at all to do with this forum.


They moderate the forum and 18+ sexual content is not allowed to be posted or linked. It's in the rules.

In the exact same way as the site in question is moderated and 18+ content is removed from the SFW areas. If you see something on the front page that's inappropriate it's because someone's posted it against the rules - this can and does happen any/everywhere, including here on HxF.


I suggest you google it as I have done and click the links.

Tut tut.


as I said before if somebody mentions a site then 99 out of a 100 a member will google it

Is that a fact? Regardless of whether it may or may not be, anyone so genuinely interested in a site that they decide to search the name of it would likely have the sense to go to the main page rather than a subsection to start off.


Jin along with ALL previous General Management, Forum Managers, Super Moderators, Moderators, members NEVER had problems with links to forums with porn on. How do I know? Err because I linked to RapidLinks and iRapid lots of times which had an XXX section. Jin had replied and so had previous management to my thread advertising it, NONE of them said its against the rules - if anything they said its good.

Precisely. Mentioned RRT earlier (an absolutely huge forum with an XXX section) but that point was ignored, and I know for certain that RapidLinks and other such communities have been tolerated if not advertised by higher staff members in the past. That aside, this still isn't even about something as possibly debatable as posting links - it's literally about just mentioning the names, a point which makes so little sense it's apparently been deemed easier to just filter it and pretend that's a fix rather than admit to being wrong.

[Hecktix]

I think this has got a bit out of hand and I don't want to ignore so many users therefore I am going to speak with Jin about this, as I have always been made aware that this website is not allowed to be mentioned at HabboxForum, members here post good points both for and against having the site mentioned on the forum - I have always been under the impression that the site is dodgy and untrustworthy however I've never really looked into it myself, I just checked how accessible the adult sections were before responding to this thread.

I shall also look into whether I can find the first time this came about, I seem to remember a string of PM's involving Jin and a now banned member where certain things regarding this site were mentioned.

I can only enforce the rules that I have been made aware of and since this is one of them I shall see it is dealt with until I speak to Jin as the message I get from General Management is that the site is not appropriate for HabboxForum and I do feel that there is adult content on it which is totally inappropriate for HabboxForum - however points made in this thread are valid about members being able to control what they click etc.

We aren't ignoring your views however we have been under the impression that this has not been allowed for some time - whether we can lift this or not will be down to a talk with Jin since myself, Matt and Garion either aren't completely aware of this site or don't particularly like the thought of it being on HabboxForum.

[Tintinnabulate]

I think this has got a bit out of hand and I don't want to ignore so many users therefore I am going to speak with Jin about this, as I have always been made aware that this website is not allowed to be mentioned at HabboxForum, members here post good points both for and against having the site mentioned on the forum - I have always been under the impression that the site is dodgy and untrustworthy however I've never really looked into it myself, I just checked how accessible the adult sections were before responding to this thread.

I shall also look into whether I can find the first time this came about, I seem to remember a string of PM's involving Jin and a now banned member where certain things regarding this site were mentioned.

I can only enforce the rules that I have been made aware of and since this is one of them I shall see it is dealt with until I speak to Jin as the message I get from General Management is that the site is not appropriate for HabboxForum and I do feel that there is adult content on it which is totally inappropriate for HabboxForum - however points made in this thread are valid about members being able to control what they click etc.

We aren't ignoring your views however we have been under the impression that this has not been allowed for some time - whether we can lift this or not will be down to a talk with Jin since myself, Matt and Garion either aren't completely aware of this site or don't particularly like the thought of it being on HabboxForum.

He has never had a problem with RapidLinks or iRapid so I see no reason why he will have a problem with the adult content on 4-chan.

[Hecktix]

He has never had a problem with RapidLinks or iRapid so I see no reason why he will have a problem with the adult content on 4-chan.

As I said, I'll contact him - it is possible for us to be wrong on some of these things, we don't do it to be awkward.

[Tintinnabulate]

Ok. I would be surprised if he says no, because the owner gives guest lectures at top universities and there are positive articles regarding the site on the best newspapers in the world so ...

Of course links to adult content and the adult sub forum there (and any other site) should never be allowed, but in general it should be allowed. Tbh Matt should be able to take decisions regarding this as nvrspk4 was able to and so was MAD ... that's what they are there for :S.

[xxMATTGxx]

Ok. I would be surprised if he says no, because the owner gives guest lectures at top universities and there are positive articles regarding the site on the best newspapers in the world so ...

Of course links to adult content and the adult sub forum there (and any other site) should never be allowed, but in general it should be allowed. Tbh Matt should be able to take decisions regarding this as nvrspk4 was able to and so was MAD ... that's what they are there for :S.

I'm actually going through my 9,763 messages I have stored on here because I remember a similar situation with a different website.

[Tintinnabulate]

I'm actually going through my 9,763 messages I have stored on here because I remember a similar situation with a different website.

1 situation v 100's I have been in, in which Jin and previous management including MAD didn't mind the fact I had posted it. If anything my thread advertising RapidLinks was the most posted in thread in "Show off your website" up to that time - so obviously its not as if no one noticed it.

Lately your guys have messed up with the rules, and clearly are confused yourself. All you are doing is being stupid and pushing your members away. Like I said in my support ticket in which you took over 2 days to reply for the first time, you want to allow some things but not other things - purely dumb.

I have said what I wanted to, so bye.

[Hecktix]

Ok. I would be surprised if he says no, because the owner gives guest lectures at top universities and there are positive articles regarding the site on the best newspapers in the world so ...

Of course links to adult content and the adult sub forum there (and any other site) should never be allowed, but in general it should be allowed. Tbh Matt should be able to take decisions regarding this as nvrspk4 was able to and so was MAD ... that's what they are there for :S.

I could make the decision myself if I wanted to :P I just want to check, that's all as I remember something about this in the past

[Tintinnabulate]

I could make the decision myself if I wanted to :P I just want to check, that's all as I remember something about this in the past

You should but you aren't.
If anything, Matt should make the decision and post a valid explanation as he is pretty much Jin while Jin is away. I have showed you examples where every single previous management has allowed it including Jin, now it is up to you to make the decision. Don't really see why you need to ask Jin but ok.

[flatface]

You should but you aren't.
If anything, Matt should make the decision and post a valid explanation as he is pretty much Jin while Jin is away. I have showed you examples where every singly previous management has allowed it including Jin, now it is up to you to make the decision. Don't really see why you need to ask Jin but ok.

Agreed, surely your first point of contact should be Matt, who should be able to decide :P

[Hecktix]

You should but you aren't.
If anything, Matt should make the decision and post a valid explanation as he is pretty much Jin while Jin is away. I have showed you examples where every singly previous management has allowed it including Jin, now it is up to you to make the decision. Don't really see why you need to ask Jin but ok.

Both Matt and I remember an incident involving Jin regarding ***** where some shouting happened :P We need to check this, but we're going through our thousands of PMs to remind ourselves.

[xxMATTGxx]

Watch this space I suppose.

Test: *****

[Tintinnabulate]

Watch this space I suppose.

Pointless?
Anyway Oli just told me the thing was about *REMOVED* so I am presuming 4-chan will be allowed?

Edited by Oli (Forum Manager): Please don't name inappropriate sites, this one definitely isn't allowed :P

[xxMATTGxx]

Pointless?
Anyway Oli just told me the thing was about *REMOVED* so I am presuming 4-chan will be allowed?

Hence the post above. ;)

*****

Basically the whole other situation was a rather different website, although Oli and myself though it was ***** but after looking back at the private messages and chat logs from 2009 we was both proven wrong.

[Hecktix]

Right, we have a confession to make. Matt and I have looked into this as we both remembered a situation which involved us being told quite strictly that a certain site was never to be posted on HxF in any way, the site name was very similar to 4chan and we have simply confused the two here.

We realised this by searching in our thousands of PMs for the situation we both remembered (which is why we have been anti-4chan in this thread), we then felt like idiots when we saw it was a different site that the situation was over - although it's an easy mistake to make.

I would like to thank the users who have posted in this thread highlighting that 4chan is not just some dodgy site, as this is what made me question the action on this specific thing, I'd also like to apologise for wasting your time :P

It's a bit of an embarassing mistake, and we apologise for this and will correct it immediately, the word has been removed from the filter and anybody who has been contacted regarding saying it can PM me directly and I'll see by getting anything that needs removing removed (yes, that includes you Wootzeh).

Once again, sorry for the muck up, it was just a simple but huge misunderstanding between 2 sites with similar names, that ends up with us looking the idiots.

[GommeInc]

You silly sausages, although it was odd you were sticking by the action of filtering despite the facts and claims posted by members :/

[Hecktix]

You silly sausages, although it was odd you were sticking by the action of filtering despite the facts and claims posted by members :/

If we had not got the two sites confused and 4chan was the site we were told not to allow obviously we'd have to stick by this, we don't get told things like that often so it's best to listen when we do :)

Anyway, a silly misunderstanding and once again I apologise.

[Hecktix]

You silly sausages, although it was odd you were sticking by the action of filtering despite the facts and claims posted by members :/

If we had not got the two sites confused and 4chan was the site we were told not to allow obviously we'd have to stick by this, we don't get told things like that often so it's best to listen when we do :)

Anyway, a silly misunderstanding and once again I apologise.

[Recursion]

Pfft, 4chan is perfectly safe, how could you ever think such a thing?!