The earth must be flat - the Quran says so!

[Wig44.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3NKTfqSM0Q&feature=related

Unbelievable. Just... if you watch the whole video he says the earth is flat, the moon is 1/2 the size of the sun and the sun is smaller than the earth, and that the sun orbits the earth (the Quran says so - must be true!). This may not be current but I wished to target the current affairs audience and this also seemed the best place to put this so please don't move the thread.

[Nemo]

and christianity believes that we all originated from two people that got kicked out of paradise because of a snake persuading them to eat an apple.

Honestly, if you look at every religion, you're gonna see a load of dumb ****, and within those religions, you're gonna get dumb ***** who believe EVERYTHING in a literal sense.

[Wig44.]

and christianity believes that we all originated from two people that got kicked out of paradise because of a snake persuading them to eat an apple.

Honestly, if you look at every religion, you're gonna see a load of dumb ****, and within those religions, you're gonna get dumb ***** who believe EVERYTHING in a literal sense.

Believe me, I agree with you - just given how much special treatment muslims get and what their leaders and religious scriptures say, I religion is dislike the most is islam.

To anyone: ff you want to laugh, hear the truth and listen to one of the best speakers in england right now, watch some of Pat Condell's videos.

[Fez]

and christianity believes that we all originated from two people that got kicked out of paradise because of a snake persuading them to eat an apple..

Yay no-one reads the bible.

Adam and Eve were tailor created by God, and then he "spread them throughout the world.". I'm no creationist but that seems about to fit in with evolution. Obviously, Adam and Eve didn't do the dirty and their kids didn't do the dirty otherwise we'd all be mentally... yeah.

Adam and Eve were banished by God from the Garden of Eden, and then forced to join all the other humans.

[GommeInc]

Adam and Eve also had two children, both boys. How did they breed? :S With their mother?

[Inseriousity.]

Honestly, if you look at every religion, you're gonna see a load of dumb ****, and within those religions, you're gonna get dumb ***** who believe EVERYTHING in a literal sense.

This pretty much sums the whole thing up tbh. The problem with things like the Bible and the Quran is that you can pretty much say anything and interpret different things for your own meaning and purpose and there are people who'll interpret it for their bad purpose (suicide bombers for example).

[Mathew]

I find religion in general to be most odd. Of course, I would love to believe there is a God in the sky, looking down on us, keeping us safe and healthy but in the world we are in today, it's simply not right.

I think that there is too many disagreements in the world which are caused by religion. Take the Arab-Israeli Conflict for example; the reason for that is because two major religions want to call one city their homeland. It's a matter of religions going against each other, and then religious people going against scientific knowledge.

[cocaine]

and christianity believes that we all originated from two people that got kicked out of paradise because of a snake persuading them to eat an apple.

Honestly, if you look at every religion, you're gonna see a load of dumb ****, and within those religions, you're gonna get dumb ***** who believe EVERYTHING in a literal sense.

thats a case of belief vs belief, what this thread is talking about is belief vs science
i know which one i'd go with..

[GommeInc]

Arguably, you could say these stories, miracles and so forth are for illustration purposes. It's like Christianity and their anti-gay view (if you believe it) and parts that say you shouldn't wear two types of material. As far as I see it, the Bible only tells you about the commandments, the rest is nothing to be concerned of. If the rest is that important, then neither are the commandments if other rules were chucked in :P As far as I remember, the commandments are from God, the random rules about hating on gays came from humans.

[Nemo]

Believe me, I agree with you - just given how much special treatment muslims get and what their leaders and religious scriptures say, I religion is dislike the most is islam.

To anyone: ff you want to laugh, hear the truth and listen to one of the best speakers in england right now, watch some of Pat Condell's videos.
Special treatment? You mean the prejudice that most asians get now because most people think that we're all suicide bombers? That's the only reason i defend Islam or whatever, i dont even care about religion.

Yay no-one reads the bible.

Adam and Eve were tailor created by God, and then he "spread them throughout the world.". I'm no creationist but that seems about to fit in with evolution. Obviously, Adam and Eve didn't do the dirty and their kids didn't do the dirty otherwise we'd all be mentally... yeah.

Adam and Eve were banished by God from the Garden of Eden, and then forced to join all the other humans.
Where is the garden of eden?

thats a case of belief vs belief, what this thread is talking about is belief vs science
i know which one i'd go with..
Dw, im a science too.

[Hitman]

I must agree that a lot of religion seems like bull... I believe that there's a higher power, a God, but I've not bothered to read any religious books, although I want to read both the Bible and the Quaran to see what they say. I think that what's in the books is not to be taken literally, maybe more as a guide? I dunno. I just think it's odd how everything has been created, why we are here... surely there is some point, some reason? What happens after? I don't think anybody can say religion is fake or there is no God, but at the same time there is no proof, other than us being here if you will take that as proof. We will find out one day, or not. :P

And er, Nemo, a lot of prejudice against Asians is not because they think they're all bombers... where I'm from there seems to be a lot of tension sometimes walking down the street between Asians and whites, why I don't know. Sometimes people frown at me or look like they want to stab me... :S At college it's worse because nobody really mixes tbh, although me and some other guy got some Asian dude to talk to us and now we're friends and he's cool. :)

OH btw I came up with a theory... about Adam and Eve. If they were created they were perfect: they could get no diseases or any illness. Then they had sex and had kids. They had sex, etc. to create the population and that's why we have illnesses and genetic disorders! lol my imagination runs away at times.

BTW even though I believe there is a God, I believe in science too. It explains many things, but not everything.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The difference between Christianity and Islam is that Christianity founded a successful path for modernisation, it is the model of which our values in the western world are based upon today. Islam is dangerous to parts of Europe, it is spreading at an incredible rate and is not yet softend enough to be compatible with our culture [western culture]. The leaders of Islam show little interest in putting modernisation before Islam.

Pervez Musharraf did so in Pakistan, he lost power.
Saddam Hussein did so in Iraq, he also lost power.

Both were and have been replaced by those who believe in the concept of the Islamic nation.

[MrPinkPanther]

Where did Black/White people come from?

[Hitman]

Where did Black/White people come from?
What has this got to do with it? Where did people in general come from would be a good question.

[MrPinkPanther]

What has this got to do with it? Where did people in general come from would be a good question.

Several major religions claim that people were created from two beings, in the case of Christianity it is of course Adam and Eve. Now Christianity as a religion disagrees with Evolution so what I want to know is where do Black and White people come from. It's a legitimate question.

[Wig44.]

The difference between Christianity and Islam is that Christianity founded a successful path for modernisation, it is the model of which our values in the western world are based upon today. Islam is dangerous to parts of Europe, it is spreading at an incredible rate and is not yet softend enough to be compatible with our culture [western culture]. The leaders of Islam show little interest in putting modernisation before Islam.

Pervez Musharraf did so in Pakistan, he lost power.
Saddam Hussein did so in Iraq, he also lost power.

Both were and have been replaced by those who believe in the concept of the Islamic nation.

@Nemo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9dXGJ2rYdA&NR=1 Right - no special treatment. This video will tell you what you need to know.

@Undertaker: You cannot claim Christianity is any better than Islam. Christianity (dare I say it) historically has been far, far worse than islam could even dream of.

[Hitman]

Several major religions claim that people were created from two beings, in the case of Christianity it is of course Adam and Eve. Now Christianity as a religion disagrees with Evolution so what I want to know is where do Black and White people come from. It's a legitimate question.
Who knows? I don't think anybody knows for a fact.

[Nemo]

@Nemo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9dXGJ2rYdA&NR=1 Right - no special treatment. This video will tell you what you need to know.

@Undertaker: You cannot claim Christianity is any better than Islam. Christianity (dare I say it) historically has been far, far worse than islam could even dream of.Yes that might be politically, but im talking about socially, and like i said, couldn't give a damn about the religion since im just talking about the prejudices towards asian in general.

[MrPinkPanther]

Who knows? I don't think anybody knows for a fact.

Indeed but religions such as Christianity claim to when they can be legitimately disproven as I have done above.

[Hitman]

Indeed but religions such as Christianity claim to when they can be legitimately disproven as I have done above.
Maybe somebody does know, but I highly doubt it. You'd have to go ask some devout Christian.

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Yes that might be politically, but im talking about socially, and like i said, couldn't give a damn about the religion since im just talking about the prejudices towards asian in general.
Also Nemo, haven't you seen how prejudice Indians/Pakistanis/Bangladeshis are to eachother? My friend is VERY "racist"/prejudice against Pakistanis and Indians, also other religions like Sikhs. I know that there's a lot of prejudice and discrimination between different ethnic minorities where I live.

[alexxxxx]

he's just an idiot. this doesn't even deserve a thread.

[MrPinkPanther]

Maybe somebody does know, but I highly doubt it. You'd have to go ask some devout Christian.

I just googled if for some fun to make sure there wasn't an explanation. There is but once again it contradicts itself. It claims that people descended from Noah split across the world and so different races developed because of the change in environment and it states that Science in fact supports this theory. What's funny is that they fail to see this is the very evolution that they deny, creatures adapting to their environment and that the same science they quote doesn't believe man came from one family 5000 years ago.

[Hitman]

he's just an idiot. this doesn't even deserve a thread.
Who's an idiot, Wig?

@above well silly them then. :P

[alexxxxx]

Who's an idiot, Wig?

@above well silly them then. :P
no the guy on the vid obviously

[Fez]

Where is the garden of eden?

As vague the metaphors be in the bible, it's pretty much hinted to be somewhere in Africa.

[Hitman]

no the guy on the vid obviously
Good, wouldn't want you getting in trouble for insulting a fellow member of this fine electronic space in which we debate.

[Nemo]

As vague the metaphors be in the bible, it's pretty much hinted to be somewhere in Africa.
Well now i know this is bull!

[Hitman]

Well now i know this is bull!
I'm afraid you don't know... and I don't know. And nobody probably does. It may be true, it may not be, just like lots of things, we cannot prove they exist and we cannot be sure they do not.

[Fez]

Well now i know this is bull!

Does it really matter in the end the the Garden is real or not? For everything the Bible states, there is a direct contradiction. The "Garden of Eden" is only stated once, too, so it could (practically) apply to anywhere in the world. The only type of vegetation mentioned is (obviously) the apple tree.

[Nemo]

I'm afraid you don't know... and I don't know. And nobody probably does. It may be true, it may not be, just like lots of things, we cannot prove they exist and we cannot be sure they do not.
I'm sorry that was my attempt at a joke ;(

Does it really matter in the end the the Garden is real or not? For everything the Bible states, there is a direct contradiction. The "Garden of Eden" is only stated once, too, so it could (practically) apply to anywhere in the world. The only type of vegetation mentioned is (obviously) the apple tree.

no not really..

[Jordy]

Some of you don't understand some quite basic things about Christianity, for example Christian's do not believe everything that is in the bible, the bible is an attempt to explain what has happened in the past and make people better. It is in no way saying Adam & Eve were two real people, it's a suggestion of how people came about to be on Earth.

But anyway, all religions are very much at odds with Science, if people wish to believe what I would consider nonsense then very well, I respect their views cause Science can't explain everything yet.

[jackass]

and christianity believes that we all originated from two people that got kicked out of paradise because of a snake persuading them to eat an apple.

The snake merely represented greed and curiosity, and wasn't to be taken literally as a snake.

[Nemo]

The snake merely represented greed and curiosity, and wasn't to be taken literally as a snake.
thus proving my point that, that is your interpretation and you'll always get people taking things literally when that isn't always what is meant

[alexxxxx]

Good, wouldn't want you getting in trouble for insulting a fellow member of this fine electronic space in which we debate.
why would you think i was talking about a member :S

[FlyingJesus]

Just to clear up before people get excited about it all, I'm not religious, I just happen to know a lot about religion because I study it. The following are not necessarily my beliefs, I just don't think it's proper for people to bash on ideas if they don't even know what they are. Same goes both ways though, as most religious people I know haven't got a clue about any of this stuff themselves so they're also fools.


Adam and Eve also had two children, both boys. How did they breed? :S With their mother?

No, with other humans. Adam and Eve are the first mentioned, but nowhere does it say they're the only humans to have been created - one would assume that the creator of a species would want a few more if they're to thrive. Also Adam had a wife before Eve in a lot of Jewish mythology, so there could be half-brothers and sisters or something idk. There's also the introduction of the Nephilim, often stated as the offspring of human/angel couplings. These are the ones wiped out by the flood in the Noah story, as the angels who got jiggy with humans were banished for being naughty.


thats a case of belief vs belief, what this thread is talking about is belief vs science
i know which one i'd go with..

To be fair science once agreed with those views


Arguably, you could say these stories, miracles and so forth are for illustration purposes. It's like Christianity and their anti-gay view (if you believe it) and parts that say you shouldn't wear two types of material. As far as I see it, the Bible only tells you about the commandments, the rest is nothing to be concerned of. If the rest is that important, then neither are the commandments if other rules were chucked in :P As far as I remember, the commandments are from God, the random rules about hating on gays came from humans.

Moses wasn't the only prophet who got to speak to God lol


As vague the metaphors be in the bible, it's pretty much hinted to be somewhere in Africa.

Ya the Tigris and Euphrates river are mentioned, and two others but can't remember the names.

[Jordy]

thus proving my point that, that is your interpretation and you'll always get people taking things literally when that isn't always what is meantThey are morons then as even devout Christian's don't believe everything happened in the Bible, they use it to explain and teach things.

Edit: Tigris and Euphrates rivers are in Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Syria etc I believe? That links in with the rest of Christianity as many references in the bible are from that part of the world.

[Nemo]

They are morons then as even devout Christian's don't believe everything happened in the Bible, they use it to explain and teach things.

Edit: Tigris and Euphrates rivers are in Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Syria etc I believe? That links in with the rest of Christianity as many references in the bible are from that part of the world.
Exactly, they are morons, and so is the guy in the OP's point, so what is exactly is the point of this thread ? Just somewhat annoys me how most of the stuff in this forum is directed towards Islam when infact, a lot of religions have similar issues, for example, morons who take everything literally.

[Hitman]

why would you think i was talking about a member :S
You said that this didn't deserve a thread and you said 'guy' indicating one person (two in the video I believe) so I assumed you meant Wig.

[-:Undertaker:-]

@Nemo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9dXGJ2rYdA&NR=1 Right - no special treatment. This video will tell you what you need to know.

@Undertaker: You cannot claim Christianity is any better than Islam. Christianity (dare I say it) historically has been far, far worse than islam could even dream of.

Old christianity yes, thats why I made the point about the modernisation of christianity and the lacking modernisation of Islam.

[GommeInc]

Moses wasn't the only prophet who got to speak to God lol
Obviously, but seeing as God gave him the commandments to give us morals on how to live our lives, as a benchmark, he can't just send poor ol' Moses on his way down the hill and think "Shoot! Forgot to mention my hate for the gays!" when he was quite strict about these rules, laws or however you see them :P The other meetings with God appear to only be mild warnings regarding commandments being broken, like the Sodomites were people who slept around which revolves around sleeping with the neighbour's wife, or taking possessions from your neighbours. Sometimes interpreted as homosexuals, bad/kick-ass angels. It's written so weirdly it's hard to make much sense of the book of Revelations, or the one beginning with L which is rarely spoken :P


@Undertaker: You cannot claim Christianity is any better than Islam. Christianity (dare I say it) historically has been far, far worse than islam could even dream of.
Some of the wars were because they (Christians) were attempting to modernise and give some cultures and nations some sense of morals and laws. You may hear in some cartoons, films, novels where the word "heathen" is chucked around, usually directed at unruly people who have no sense of peace or morals - wars involving Christianity were set about to fix these wrongs, teaching them how to act and so forth. Islam is usually on the other end, along side people pretending to be gods and so forth.

[Wig44.]

Just to clear up before people get excited about it all, I'm not religious, I just happen to know a lot about religion because I study it. The following are not necessarily my beliefs, I just don't think it's proper for people to bash on ideas if they don't even know what they are. Same goes both ways though, as most religious people I know haven't got a clue about any of this stuff themselves so they're also fools.



No, with other humans. Adam and Eve are the first mentioned, but nowhere does it say they're the only humans to have been created - one would assume that the creator of a species would want a few more if they're to thrive. Also Adam had a wife before Eve in a lot of Jewish mythology, so there could be half-brothers and sisters or something idk. There's also the introduction of the Nephilim, often stated as the offspring of human/angel couplings. These are the ones wiped out by the flood in the Noah story, as the angels who got jiggy with humans were banished for being naughty.



To be fair science once agreed with those views



Moses wasn't the only prophet who got to speak to God lol



Ya the Tigris and Euphrates river are mentioned, and two others but can't remember the names.

I agree - but I woudl like to say that science only ever agreed with them (catholics) because science was blocked from progressing by religious dogma, executions and threats. Kind of like science today is blocked by politically fueled dogma, like the eat well plate etc.

[ifuseekamy]

Err the bible and the quran are the same story they both have the whole adam and eve thing lol.

[FlyingJesus]

Obviously, but seeing as God gave him the commandments to give us morals on how to live our lives, as a benchmark, he can't just send poor ol' Moses on his way down the hill and think "Shoot! Forgot to mention my hate for the gays!" when he was quite strict about these rules, laws or however you see them :P The other meetings with God appear to only be mild warnings regarding commandments being broken, like the Sodomites were people who slept around which revolves around sleeping with the neighbour's wife, or taking possessions from your neighbours. Sometimes interpreted as homosexuals, bad/kick-ass angels. It's written so weirdly it's hard to make much sense of the book of Revelations, or the one beginning with L which is rarely spoken :P

The writing of near enough the entire Torah - or Old Testament if you're talking Christian terms - is generally attributed to Moses. Leviticus (which is THE law book of the Judeo-Christian faith) is the 3rd book of the Torah directly following the story of Moses (Exodus) and is basically a follow-on of the commandments as it is intended to show a fuller picture of the covenant between God and His people. At no point in any scripture is it said that the Ten Commandments have any precedence over other holy law, that's just how society has made it over the centuries, and like I said not enough people actually know their own religion well enough to think anything different. As for mild warnings, I'd hardly call the absolute destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah mild lol, regardless, that is a Genesis occurrence and the Leviticus passage stating that men shouldn't be getting down on it with other men like they do with the womenfolk comes a few hundred years later (in terms of being commanded, obviously not in terms of writing if Moses wrote the entire lot :P) at the very least. The fact that Leviticus is overlooked in modern Christianity is 100% down to social and political changes rather than it being religiously less important in any way - it being the only one of the 5 Torah books to contain nothing but holy law suggests that it really ought to be followed to the letter by anyone claiming to have faith. Again, it comes down to people simply not knowing their own religion, and also the modern idea that you can pick and choose which parts of the Bible you like and still call yourself a Christian.

Not sure where Revelations comes into this as that's just a story written wayyyy after even the other New Testament books came out and is widely regarded (even by Biblical scholars who might otherwise be inclined to take the Bible literally) as metaphoric for the political state of Rome at the time of writing, but if there was a genuine reason for bringing it up that I missed do correct me and I'll try to think of an answer for whatever it is:P


I agree - but I woudl like to say that science only ever agreed with them (catholics) because science was blocked from progressing by religious dogma, executions and threats. Kind of like science today is blocked by politically fueled dogma, like the eat well plate etc.

Absolutely agree, I'd never even make an attempt to claim that the church didn't have a hold over science when pretty much all historical accounts show it so clearly, but yeah like you say science is still being hindered by greater powers today so who knows if in another few decades we find that the universe isn't really infinite or electricity is a living thing or some other huge change to how we view existence :D basically "science says so" isn't always a good answer haha

[HotelUser]

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/

A forum in which most users believe and discuss scientific beliefs surrounding the ideology that the Earth is flat :P

I'm permanently banned from there. Apparently I angered them!

[Josh]

Pfft. Fundamentalists. :S

They need to read it figuratively or whatever. READ BETWEEN THE LINES.