habbox groups

[Richie]

dead again just like the blogs you had, are they really necessary?

[Blinger$]

of course they are!! c'mon richie, we made a REAL smart move doing this :)

[myke]

in all fairness, wasnt it the members that said they wanted them? lol

[Alex3213]

in all fairness, wasnt it the members that said they wanted them? lol

This is more than true.

[Catzsy]

I feel Richie is probably right in the long term, but I guess we will see. There are a lot of groups which is nice to see and the ones you have joined look good on the profile - this could be enough even if they are not active.

[Tintinnabulate]

in all fairness, wasnt it the members that said they wanted them? lol

No, they randomly installed it I think and never promoted it even though they said they would. WE NEED A ASSISTANT FORUM MANAGER TO THINK OF MORE AND BETTER NEW IDEAS AND IMPLEMENT THESE THINGS. GOSH.

People said Matt was just dropped into the GM job so he is taking time to learn. If Oli leaves, a smod will be dropped in the FM job - why make the same mistakes over and over and OVER again????

Like Oli had an exam so "Forum takes over HxHD" couldn't take place last month but a AFM could have done it. Now he is going to be away again, so AFM can take over.

[Alex3213]

No, they randomly installed it I think and never promoted it even though they said they would. WE NEED A ASSISTANT FORUM MANAGER TO THINK OF MORE AND BETTER NEW IDEAS AND IMPLEMENT THESE THINGS. GOSH.

People said Matt was just dropped into the GM job so he is taking time to learn. If Oli leaves, a smod will be dropped in the FM job - why make the same mistakes over and over and OVER again????

You have a very good point here. I think it would be good for an AFM to be put into place, because when a Manager has no "education" of the job, then mistakes will occur many a time. Just like Matt G, he had to learn and it takes time.

[Catzsy]

No, they randomly installed it I think and never promoted it even though they said they would. WE NEED A ASSISTANT FORUM MANAGER TO THINK OF MORE AND BETTER NEW IDEAS AND IMPLEMENT THESE THINGS. GOSH.

People said Matt was just dropped into the GM job so he is taking time to learn. If Oli leaves, a smod will be dropped in the FM job - why make the same mistakes over and over and OVER again????

I think there has already been a thread discussing most of your points, already, however the facility to make groups and to keep them active is pretty prominent on the forum. If the members don't want to no amount of promotion is going to make it happen. Some things work, somethings don't. The awards have and maybe this won't but time will tell.

[Dinosaurawrr]

I agree an asst forum manager needs to be there and help with the forum especially as times like Oli going away and things.

[Alex3213]

Also just to add, there are people in my personal opinion who are ready to become AFM. Oli's now away (I believe) for a few days and this would be a crucial time for the AFM to be there whilst Oli's away.

[Tintinnabulate]

I think there has already been a thread discussing most of your points, already, however the facility to make groups and to keep them active is pretty prominent on the forum. If the members don't want to no amount of promotion is going to make it happen. Some things work, somethings don't. The awards have and maybe this won't but time will tell.

The awards are like automatic. Groups should be promoted. I mean I forgot they even existed. They get ZERO promotion. Do competitions to promote them. A quick example: Make a group today, get members. Group with most member wins xxxxxxx. Just promotions.

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Also just to add, there are people in my personal opinion who are ready to become AFM. Oli's now away (I believe) for a few days and this would be a crucial time for the AFM to be there whilst Oli's away.

Bolt would make an excellent AFM. However Oli doesn't want a AFM.

[Alex3213]

The awards are like automatic. Groups should be promoted. I mean I forgot they even existed. They get ZERO promotion. Do competitions to promote them. A quick example: Make a group today, get members. Group with most member wins xxxxxxx. Just promotions.

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Bolt would make an excellent AFM. However Oli doesn't want a AFM.

This would make a good competition and it would promote them. I was never for them and the only reason I remember them is because I see what groups people are joined to when I click there profile. Martin would be a good AFM, I agree, just depends if he can handle the workload. Although Oli doesn't want an AFM, it would benefit the forum massively.

[Catzsy]

The awards are like automatic. Groups should be promoted. I mean I forgot they even existed. They get ZERO promotion. Do competitions to promote them. A quick example: Make a group today, get members. Group with most member wins xxxxxxx. Just promotions.

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Bolt would make an excellent AFM. However Oli doesn't want a AFM.

Well I guess there would be no harm but it's not as if it's not prominent on the toolbar at the top and yes Martin would do a great job but I am not sure it's because Oli doesn't want one.

[myke]

If General Management had seen it as a problem then they would have made Oli have an assistant...

Garion works alongside Oli on the forum, so Garion is kinda his assistant....

[Tintinnabulate]

Well I guess there would be no harm but it's not as if it's not prominent on the toolbar at the top and yes Martin would do a great job but I am not sure it's because Oli doesn't want one.

Well a AGM told me he doesn't want one and Oli said there is no need for one.

We need one to think of more and better ideas, post more, promote the forum more, get things dealt with faster, and take over when Oli is away. I mean just because he had an exam, forum hxhd take over couldn't happen last month. However a AFM could have easily hosted it.

Maybe get rid of inactive admins (no names (a)) and replace a certain features manager with a new admin who is both a features manager and AFM - thus they have enough work load. Inactive admins who make 2 posts in 3 months aren't needed.

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If General Management had seen it as a problem then they would have made Oli have an assistant...

Garion works alongside Oli on the forum, so Garion is kinda his assistant....

See my example above.

[Blinger$]

Wow.. from a thread that was talking about how useless groups are, to ******** about AFM and oli, good job :)

[Tintinnabulate]

Wow.. from a thread that was talking about how useless groups are, to ******** about AFM and oli, good job :)

Clearly linked. Groups needs more promotion, last time they said they would promote it more, not happened. Clearly need a AFM to distribute work.

[Jamesy]

In my opinion and from experience on another forum I administrate, social groups are incredibly hard to get right. Even with promotion (on there we placed them on the forum index like a forum) they still dwindled and died simply because for the most part people like posting in the forums, and groups are ultimately by default in vB hard coded to be out of the way and not very well thought out.

I think that it's down to vB's ill thought out ways of putting in groups, and the fact if people aren't posting on the main forums as much - why would they go out of their way to another page to post in someone's random group.

[Catzsy]

Wow.. from a thread that was talking about how useless groups are, to ******** about AFM and oli, good job :)

I totally agree and he is not likely to have A level exams again anytime soon. I think the way the management is structured should be left to the management as they are the only ones who can make that decision. If you have a complaint about an admin surely the best thing to do is to pm somebody or make a complaint. Too much personal targeting of staff lately most of whom who work their socks off for Habbox. Having ideas to improve is one thing but
personal targeting of individuals is another. That's my view.

[Tintinnabulate]

I totally agree and he is not likely to have A level exams again anytime soon. I think the way the management is structured should be left to the management as they are the only ones who can make that decision. If you have a complaint about an admin surely the best thing to do is to pm somebody or make a complaint. Too much personal targeting of staff lately most of whom who work their socks off for Habbox. Having ideas to improve is one thing but
personal targeting of individuals is another. That's my view.

Never made a complaint about Oli, just said a AFM would be beneficial to Habbox :S

[Blinger$]

Never made a complaint about Oli, just said a AFM would be beneficial to Habbox :S
its clear you are targetting oli though.

[Tintinnabulate]

its clear you are targetting oli though.

No, I am targeting Yoshi actually as he rarely posts. However I think we both know you love targeting me :).

[myke]

saurav, you said about an inactive features manager?

brandon works his ass off lol, he does loads of stuff... just because you dont see it, doesnt mean it's not happening.

[Tintinnabulate]

saurav, you said about an inactive features manager?

brandon works his ass off lol, he does loads of stuff... just because you dont see it, doesnt mean it's not happening.

Read my post above :P Theres two features managers ;).

[Inseriousity.]

Giving someone an assistant who doesn't want one will just cause unneccessary friction and may have a negative impact on the forum. Personally, I just think Oli has a clear vision of how he wants things to go and having an assistant would possibly change that. Martin would be a good AFM but he's also news manager so I reckon he should let someone else have a go :P

As for the groups, I'm not really a fan of them. Any promotion will probably just the delaying the inevitable, which is that they just don't get used often enough.

edit: Yoshi has done my vip/rep requests since I started (I didnt pm brandon for some reason :P) and he's always done them really fast and when he hasnt, theres normally a good reason for it.

[Hecktix]

In all honesty, I think there's a lot said here which you lot don't really have a clue about - yes an AFM could have run the takeover when I had my exams but when I got back from my exams there would be nothing to do.

I am not going to leave for a good while and an AFM will be in a position for a good while before I do leave, I'm not going to leave HxF in the lurch. Even Jin has said there would be no point in an AFM if I am capable of doing the work myself, as Myke said if I am away or whatever (which happens about once every 6 months as is about to happen) then Garion can overlook the department but as someone said the Super Moderators are more than capable and these people are in charge. An Assistant Forum Manager will not benefit this forum.

In terms of groups, before I started a promotion system I wanted to track the progress of them, which is something I've been doing over the past month (but y'know not everyone can see what I'm up to as I don't blast it out in public, so you just flame me as being incapable) and over the last 4 weeks only around 5 groups have been made and very few groups are attracting members.

Whoever said groups were implemented as a member idea - this was true. They are a reasonably hard thing to think of a promotion system and the way I've looked at it over the past month I don't think a promotion system, such as you said Saurav, would work entirely well - I drew up a promotions system for 'Groups of the Month' including 'Most Imaginative Group' and 'Group with Most Members' (but you said I'd not looking into publicising these, you can't see the Forum Management Forum) however I don't think such things would increase the group activity without significant prizes and I think there are better uses we can put significant prizes to - which is the sole reason why I haven't released a promotions system.

I suppose the question I have to think about is whether it is beneficial to keep groups on the side as something to give users the option of using if they want (afterall it doesn't matter if they are that quiet as long as some people are using them) or whether to get rid of them altogether. I remember the groups being incredibly active when we did the Habbox Election, so perhaps they could come in useful for those sorts of competitions. The discussions in groups were never going to be active - we have forums for that, but if 5 people are gonna make a group in a month and a reasonable amount join new groups then I'm prepared to see how it grows, but I'm not prepared to chuck significant prizes at something like that when we could be using them for more important things, remember we only have a limited amount.

[Alex3213]

Read my post above :P Theres two features managers ;).


I also agree with Myke, but with Yoshi also. Yoshi works a lot, just isn't seen often and 99% of the time rep requests have been done quickly for me (ok I've been here 7 months but still), and 100% with good reason if it's slightly delayed. He's also been working his socks off recently and I've noticed this.

Also Oli, you make very valid points and I see the reasoning behind it.

[Tintinnabulate]

In all honesty, I think there's a lot said here which you lot don't really have a clue about - yes an AFM could have run the takeover when I had my exams but when I got back from my exams there would be nothing to do.

I am not going to leave for a good while and an AFM will be in a position for a good while before I do leave, I'm not going to leave HxF in the lurch. Even Jin has said there would be no point in an AFM if I am capable of doing the work myself, as Myke said if I am away or whatever (which happens about once every 6 months as is about to happen) then Garion can overlook the department but as someone said the Super Moderators are more than capable and these people are in charge. An Assistant Forum Manager will not benefit this forum.

In terms of groups, before I started a promotion system I wanted to track the progress of them, which is something I've been doing over the past month (but y'know not everyone can see what I'm up to as I don't blast it out in public, so you just flame me as being incapable) and over the last 4 weeks only around 5 groups have been made and very few groups are attracting members.

Whoever said groups were implemented as a member idea - this was true. They are a reasonably hard thing to think of a promotion system and the way I've looked at it over the past month I don't think a promotion system, such as you said Saurav, would work entirely well - I drew up a promotions system for 'Groups of the Month' including 'Most Imaginative Group' and 'Group with Most Members' (but you said I'd not looking into publicising these, you can't see the Forum Management Forum) however I don't think such things would increase the group activity without significant prizes and I think there are better uses we can put significant prizes to - which is the sole reason why I haven't released a promotions system.

I suppose the question I have to think about is whether it is beneficial to keep groups on the side as something to give users the option of using if they want (afterall it doesn't matter if they are that quiet as long as some people are using them) or whether to get rid of them altogether. I remember the groups being incredibly active when we did the Habbox Election, so perhaps they could come in useful for those sorts of competitions. The discussions in groups were never going to be active - we have forums for that, but if 5 people are gonna make a group in a month and a reasonable amount join new groups then I'm prepared to see how it grows, but I'm not prepared to chuck significant prizes at something like that when we could be using them for more important things, remember we only have a limited amount.

Yes but when your exams finished, the event still didn't happen for June.
Groups and Arcade are both similar - doesn't help the forum much. Its better to get rid of them and install things which actually benefits the forum. The WC prediction thing was popular and increased posting as people were discussing their predictions, yet management don't want this. Football is followed all over the world and this forum has mainly British users, it would benefit the forum more than Groups and Arcade.


I also agree with Myke, but with Yoshi also. Yoshi works a lot, just isn't seen often and 99% of the time rep requests have been done quickly for me (ok I've been here 7 months but still), and 100% with good reason if it's slightly delayed. He's also been working his socks off recently and I've noticed this.

Also Oli, you make very valid points and I see the reasoning behind it.

Regarding Yoshi, he may get the job done quick, but when the forum is lacking posts, and he makes 2 public posts in 2-3 months, its not really ideal.

[Alex3213]

Regarding Yoshi, he may get the job done quick, but when the forum is lacking posts, and he makes 2 public posts in 2-3 months, its not really ideal.

Then maybe that's something which can be looked upon in the future. Although staff are encouraged to post, his job is to complete the features, VIP, Usertitles, Rep etc- not to post and although that is helpful, in my opinion it is not his first priority.

[Tintinnabulate]

Then maybe that's something which can be looked upon in the future. Although staff are encouraged to post, his job is to complete the features, VIP, Usertitles, Rep etc- not to post and although that is helpful, in my opinion it is not his first priority.

In which case, it should be in all admins job desc.

[Catzsy]

Never made a complaint about Oli, just said a AFM would be beneficial to Habbox :S


Maybe get rid of inactive admins (no names ) and replace a certain features manager with a new admin who is both a features manager and AFM - thus they have enough work load. Inactive admins who make 2 posts in 3 months aren't needed.

How may admins do we have? Also you don't have to mention ' Matt was just dropped into the job and needs time to learn' because he is doing a great job. :)

[xxMATTGxx]

Nice way to change the thread topic from groups to Oli to AFM and what not.


Oli might not want an Assistant Forum Manager, it doesn't really matter. At the end of the day Oli does a great job at managing and doing his role even when he is away every so often, which I must stress it isn't like he goes away every weekend. I'm also not going to force anyone to be an Assistant because it will just cause friction between the two if they can't work together.

Now this thread is about "Groups". From what I remember, didn't the members of this forum want it? Yes it might not be used that much but surely there is no harm in keeping it with all the current groups made and just leave it like that.

@Saurav

Yes bit when your exams finished, the event still didn't happen for June.
Groups and Arcade are both similar - doesn't help the forum much. Its better to get rid of them and install things which actually benefits the forum. The WC prediction thing was popular and increased posting as people were discussing their predictions, yet management don't want this. Football is followed all over the world and this forum has mainly British users, it would benefit the forum more than Groups and Arcade.

Mods/Addons/Whatever you want to call them = No. We are not going to install any more on this forum and we have been told not to. So that decision can't be changed I'm afraid, you might not like it but we have to follow orders.


Regarding Yoshi, he may get the job done quick, but when the forum is lacking posts, and he makes 2 public posts in 2-3 months, its not really ideal.

Yes Yoshi doesn't post a lot on the forum and anyone can see that. But If he still does his job, which myself and him have been talking about over the past couple of days then it isn't a big deal. It isn't exactly a priority in his role to keep posting on the forum. I'm also not going to fire someone because they haven't posted in long time, what matters is him doing his job.

[Hecktix]

Yes bit when your exams finished, the event still didn't happen for June.
Groups and Arcade are both similar - doesn't help the forum much. Its better to get rid of them and install things which actually benefits the forum. The WC prediction thing was popular and increased posting as people were discussing their predictions, yet management don't want this. Football is followed all over the world and this forum has mainly British users, it would benefit the forum more than Groups and Arcade.



Regarding Yoshi, he may get the job done quick, but when the forum is lacking posts, and he makes 2 public posts in 2-3 months, its not really ideal.

My last exam was on the 27th June, it was decided between me (and my team - we are a joint effort) that there was no need for one that particular month. Help Desk Takeovers have returned now as we saw last night, just as successful as the first one.

I'm not going to reply to your Football Prediction comment, Saurav and you know why. I quite agree about groups however the Arcade is quite popular, I have recently reached out to new members to find out how they are getting on at Habbox and I've had a lot of decent feedback about the arcade - now we have nvrspk4 working along with us the arcade is doing well and his tournaments are filling up instantly if showed to the public properly.

The arcade has much more scope than groups - as it actually involves doing something whereas groups are just something pretty to put on your profile, quite like facebook groups I suppose however I'll quote another new member here, they told me that HabboxForum was like facebook, yet we had forums instead of groups. Although this link is loose, I thought it quite a good likening - which brought me back to the idea of Community Groups and whether they are entirely necessary - I went as far to consider that they discourage posting, as people join a group to show their interests rather than post.

It's not my place to comment on Yoshimitsui - but weren't features managers always given to people who didn't want to be at Habbox full time but still wanted to help out?

[Tintinnabulate]

How may admins do we have? Also you don't have to mention ' Matt was just dropped into the job and needs time to learn' because he is doing a great job. :)

Thats what people said in my thread...



Mods/Addons/Whatever you want to call them = No. We are not going to install any more on this forum and we have been told not to. So that decision can't be changed I'm afraid, you might not like it but we have to follow orders.

Yeah but Groups is a pretty big one.
Anyway, yeah Arcade is better than groups. Maybe have a dedicated leader who regularly does tournaments with regular prizes? They don't always have to be VIP.

[Alex3213]

Thats what people said in my thread...



Yeah but Groups is a pretty big one.
Anyway, yeah Arcade is better than groups. Maybe have a dedicated leader who regularly does tournaments with regular prizes? They don't always have to be VIP.

Are you on about the arcade? What on earth is wrong with nvr?

[Tintinnabulate]

Are you on about the arcade? What on earth is wrong with nvr?

He is only temp for a month :P
I meant a dedicated leader after he has finished. Just the same as the Debates leader.

[Hecktix]

That is my plan for the arcade, people who don't regularly use it seem to forget about it when there arent public things going on so I think when nvrspk4 goes to College if he decides to leave Habbox we shall give it to someone else and keep the position going as I think it's actually a good idea.

In terms of groups - it's up to the members, it was their idea so they can say whether it goes. I'm going away later today for a couple of days so I'll set up a poll and implement whatever the voters say when I get back probably.

[Alex3213]

He is only temp for a month :P
I meant a dedicated leader after he has finished. Just the same as the Debates leader.

Oh right sorry I didn't realise :P, I'm sure that will be happening anyway.

[Catzsy]

Thats what people said in my thread...



Yes but that doesn't make it true and a lot of members disagreed with you.

[Tintinnabulate]

Yes but that doesn't make it true and a lot of members disagreed with you.

No, I mean I think staff said he is learning as he was dropped into it...

[Hecktix]

Matt has been learning but still been doing a good job in my eyes, although to be completely honest there's a steep learning curve between any job really.

Let's discuss groups here yeh :P

[Cosmic]

I like groups and I agree that they seem a little ignored right now. Personally, I think that all they need is a little promotion such as 'group of the month' or 'most active group of the month'. I'm sure someone has already mentioned this but an award could be used to go with it to start making better use of the forum's add-ons.