-rep suggestion

[Tintinnabulate]

Just a suggestion to see what people think.

There are benefits to -rep but to be honest, it has more negatives than positives.

A lot of the time, if user A -reps user B, there is a high chance that user B will get annoyed at user A. There is then the chance of user B arguing with user A in threads and pointlessly -repping them back. All this does is cause a bad atmosphere on the forum.

Its better to just scrap -rep all together thus hopefully reducing some arguments and promoting +rep further which management have been trying to do.
It also means people don't argue over rep and removes suspicions on Administrators removing their -reps.

[Hecktix]

I agree, I don't really see the need for negative reputation, what do others think?

[Tintinnabulate]

There are some forums, which allow you to -rep
But if you -rep someone, you lose a point too, so people only -rep when really required.

[Jordy]

Totally agree I've been meaning to make a thread on this for a while. Not only is it quite obviously a "negative" factor due to the arguments it causes it's pretty pointless too.

For instance some people just use it when they disagree with someone or to strike up an argument (if they wish to do this they should grow a pair and PM them or reply to their posts). I've also never seen why people -rep others for breaking rules, the moderators are there to dish out the punishments not us :P

Would be a very good move IMO.

[Alex3213]

I think it would be good to scrap negative reputation. :)

[Nemo]

I cant remember the last time i -repped someone (apart from muct), and i use the rep feature a lot. So from my point of view, yeah its pretty pointless i guess.

[Suspective]

Plus, the other user will probably just -rep you back. I wouldn't have any objections, if it was scrapped and disabled.

[Apple]

In my opinion -rep only causes problems. If a post deserves a -rep half of the time it is probably a post that is breaking the rules so simply reporting the post will ensure justice is done and that person gets punished. The rest of the time the post isn't actually breaking any rules but has simply annoyed another user, whether it due to that post being narrow-minded or the poster simply being an idiot there is always going to be an argument, removing -rep wouldn't really change anything on that side as people will still retaliate in the thread.

[Tintinnabulate]

In my opinion -rep only causes problems. If a post deserves a -rep half of the time it is probably a post that is breaking the rules so simply reporting the post will ensure justice is done and that person gets punished. The rest of the time the post isn't actually breaking any rules but has simply annoyed another user, whether it due to that post being narrow-minded or the poster simply being an idiot there is always going to be an argument, removing -rep wouldn't really change anything on that side.

Agreed, it just causes more arguments. I would rather someone argues with me in a thread by posting than via -rep - as you can't even reply to the -rep as it will just get removed as revenge rep.

[buttons]

For instance some people just use it when they disagree with someone or to strike up an argument (if they wish to do this they should grow a pair and PM them or reply to their posts). I've also never seen why people -rep others for breaking rules, the moderators are there to dish out the punishments not us :P
in FAQ it says
"Red Rep
When you do something bad you will most likely receive Red rep which is classed as bad. This will also cause your reputation count / points to decrease. You may be bad (Red) repped for the following reasons: -
-Pointless Posting
-Double posting
-Being rude
-Breaking the forum rules
Red reputation is displayed as a Red block. ."
(overkill on the word 'bad' jfc)
:S it's stupid, if someone -repped me for pointless posting i'd ask for it to get removed and it probably would be...

[Apple]

Agreed, it just causes more arguments. I would rather someone argues with me in a thread by posting than via -rep - as you can't even reply to the -rep as it will just get removed as revenge rep.

Yeh agreed. Everyone has different opinions so there will always be disagreements, I to would much rather have that person state their opinion in the thread as opposed to stating it in a -rep because at least then we can have a controlled discussion (not going to say argument) in the thread rather than in a revenge -rep which will only get removed and cause more problems.

[Hecktix]

in FAQ it says
"Red Rep
When you do something bad you will most likely receive Red rep which is classed as bad. This will also cause your reputation count / points to decrease. You may be bad (Red) repped for the following reasons: -
-Pointless Posting
-Double posting
-Being rude
-Breaking the forum rules
Red reputation is displayed as a Red block. ."
(overkill on the word 'bad' jfc)
:S it's stupid, if someone -repped me for pointless posting i'd ask for it to get removed and it probably would be...

That is changed in my revised FAQ which will be being changed soon, but if we remove -rep altogether it may not be necessary :P

[Tintinnabulate]

in FAQ it says
"Red Rep
When you do something bad you will most likely receive Red rep which is classed as bad. This will also cause your reputation count / points to decrease. You may be bad (Red) repped for the following reasons: -
-Pointless Posting
-Double posting
-Being rude
-Breaking the forum rules
Red reputation is displayed as a Red block. ."
(overkill on the word 'bad' jfc)
:S it's stupid, if someone -repped me for pointless posting i'd ask for it to get removed and it probably would be...

Indeed. It was written by Baving in 2005 so its very old. Its better to just report the person.

[Calvin]

I'm not sure if it should be scrapped because it's sometimes useful for the Web Market section, because if someone scammed you you're most likely going to -rep them and it would help others because i'm sure they would never buy something off a person with lots of negative rep.

[Tintinnabulate]

I'm not sure if it should be scrapped because it's sometimes useful for the Web Market section, because if someone scammed you you're most likely going to -rep them and it would help others because i'm sure they would never buy something off a person with lots of negative rep.

Its very rare for a person to get a negative block and you are not allowed to accuse members of scamming anyway.

[Apple]

I'm not sure if it should be scrapped because it's sometimes useful for the Web Market section, because if someone scammed you you're most likely going to -rep them and it would help others because i'm sure they would never buy something off a person with lots of negative rep.

A scammer could scam many people before his rep turned red, if it did they would probably just make a new account anyway.

[Jessicrawrr]

-rep is pointless, it just causes people to argue over it and just pointless -rep back.

[Circadia]

I think it should be scrapped because people only really use it to get back at others or to start and argument!

[HotelUser]

I find it quite ironic, Saurav, that you want to scrap -rep because it causes arguments :P

I think we should keep negative reputation. Brandon does a good job moderating it.

[myke]

reputation is a good way of new members seeing who's trusted and who's not...

why get rid of something that's not broke?

if you think a -rep is pointless or revenge rep then just post in the pointless rep thread...............

when ever i join a new forum, i trust people who have lots of green bars and people who have red rep i dont trust or listen to...

someone might get lots of good rep and then turn around and be a total *** or turn into a troll but they'd still keep the green rep?
.......

[Hecktix]

reputation is a good way of new members seeing who's trusted and who's not...

why get rid of something that's not broke?

if you think a -rep is pointless or revenge rep then just post in the pointless rep thread...............

when ever i join a new forum, i trust people who have lots of green bars and people who have red rep i dont trust or listen to...

someone might get lots of good rep and then turn around and be a total *** or turn into a troll but they'd still keep the green rep?
.......


Thing is, it's very rare someone has a red block on their post.

[myke]

Yes, but it still happens...

-rep isn't hurting anyone and its a good indication whether someone is respected or not.

[Circadia]

Well at the people who think it should be kept
Since I've joined the forum I have only ever been -rep for a good reason and the other two times were for a pointless reason! and i haven't seen anyone eles been -Rep atall since i have joined so i think it should be scrapped since its more or less been abandoned.

[Hecktix]

Yes, but it still happens...

-rep isn't hurting anyone and its a good indication whether someone is respected or not.

It's only happened twice in the history of this forum, one of them was pleke.

[Nemo]

It's only happened twice in the history of this forum, one of them was pleke.
was the other one msb? :O

[myke]

Well at the people who think it should be kept
Since I've joined the forum I have only ever been -rep for a good reason and the other two times were for a pointless reason! and i haven't seen anyone eles been -Rep atall since i have joined so i think it should be scrapped since its more or less been abandoned.

How do you know if people have been -rep'd... you don't.

and really? I'm sure I've seen more than just them with red bars?

I've seen quite a few people use -rep actually... some people quote someone and say '-rep, that post's totally unnecessary' and then continued on topic.

[Hecktix]

Yes Myke people do give -rep but it's extremely extremely rare that a user gets so many -reps they go below zero as usually these people are trolls and get banned.

I think reputation would be more useful if it was a record of how well a users done on the forum, reputation doesn't mean much in terms of how much respect you get on the forum and it never should be that.

[myke]

I didn't mean respect as in, respect respect... like, if someone posts something and has a higher reputation, it GENERALLY means that they contribute more to the forum - if they have a lower rep, they may not be as constructive or w.e.

I'd certainly listen more to the one with more reputation.

It'd be interesting to know how many of the people saying scrap -rep actually get -rep... or get upset when they get -rep. :)

[Mr-Trainor]

I really don't mind if -rep stays or goes. I can fully see why it should go in terms of causing arguments, so for that reason I feel it's a good idea that it goes :)

[Hecktix]

I didn't mean respect as in, respect respect... like, if someone posts something and has a higher reputation, it GENERALLY means that they contribute more to the forum - if they have a lower rep, they may not be as constructive or w.e.

I'd certainly listen more to the one with more reputation.

It'd be interesting to know how many of the people saying scrap -rep actually get -rep... or get upset when they get -rep. :)

Surely even if -rep wasn't around it would still work the same, the person with the higher rep has contributed to the forum more thus earned more reputation?

Looking through the thread, those who have said scrap it generally don't have any -reps recently (unless they have reported it and it got removed)

[Tintinnabulate]

I find it quite ironic, Saurav, that you want to scrap -rep because it causes arguments :P

WHY on Earth do you have to come out with annoying provocative comments. This is the reason why I said to Oli I hate posting threads about this as people such as yourself make annoying silly and patronising comments all the time. Its just not needed and I suggested it as YOU always -rep people as revenge and get RNB.Queen to do it too. Pathetic. Grow up. I mean you got her to -rep me for such a stupid post that Garion himself removed it rather than asking me to report it.

And like I said, its very rare that someone gets a red block as they start off with around 50 reputation or something anyway.

Edited by Cosmic (Forum Super Moderator) Please do not post to cause arguments, thanks.

[HotelUser]

Surely even if -rep wasn't around it would still work the same, the person with the higher rep has contributed to the forum more thus earned more reputation?

Looking through the thread, those who have said scrap it generally don't have any -reps recently (unless they have reported it and it got removed)

Perhaps it could be removed but at the bottom of posts where it shows a green plus for every positive reputation, it could also work in a similar way for negative reputation. That way it would be more like users are agreeing or disagreeing with posts, though when one disagreed with a post there's no real consequence for the poster save for public recognition of disagreement.


WHY on Earth do you have to come out with annoying provocative comments. This is the reason why I said to Oli I hate posting threads about this as people such as yourself make annoying silly and patronising comments all the time. Its just not needed and I suggested it as YOU always -rep people as revenge and get RNB.Queen to do it too. Pathetic. Grow up. I mean you got her to -rep me for such a stupid post that Garion himself removed it rather than asking me to report it.

And like I said, its very rare to get a red block.

I have 11 reputation power and she has 1, I didn't ask her to do anything--do not flatter yourself :P

[Tintinnabulate]

Perhaps it could be removed but at the bottom of posts where it shows a green plus for every positive reputation, it could also work in a similar way for negative reputation. That way it would be more like users are agreeing or disagreeing with posts, though when one disagreed with a post there's no real consequence for the poster save for public recognition of disagreement.



I have 11 reputation power and she has 1, I didn't ask her to do anything--do not flatter yourself :P

What a surprise that I -repped you and you two -repped me back within 20 minutes of each other :rolleyes: And the post she -repped me was my last post and in Current Affairs - where she never posts. Stop trying to act smart.

Also there is a green reputation icon so good posts can get recognition in public. -rep icon would do the opposite job and therefore would be the total opposite of the reason why the green icon was introduced.

[HotelUser]

What a surprise that I -repped you and you two -repped me back within 20 minutes of each other :rolleyes: And the post she -repped me was my last post and in Current Affairs - where she never posts. Stop trying to act smart.

Also there is a green reputation icon so good posts can get recognition in public. -rep icon would do the opposite job and therefore would be a total opposite of the reason why the green icon was introduced.

Actually - I believe I was the first one to distribute reputation in this affair, dear Saurav and I'm going to stop responding to this quarrel over reputation because it's beyond my limits of immaturity :P

The plus reputation indicator shows when people agree. A negative indicator would show if people disagreed. It's not contradictory of eachother. Check out Engadget who has a similar setup.

[Alex3213]

What a surprise that I -repped you and you two -repped me back within 20 minutes of each other :rolleyes: And the post she -repped me was my last post and in Current Affairs - where she never posts. Stop trying to act smart.

Also there is a green reputation icon so good posts can get recognition in public. -rep icon would do the opposite job and therefore would be a total opposite of the reason why the green icon was introduced.

I agree with this 100% and should certainly not be introduced.

[Tintinnabulate]

Actually - I believe I was the first one to distribute reputation in this affair, dear Saurav and I'm going to stop responding to this quarrel over reputation because it's beyond my limits of immaturity :P

The plus reputation indicator shows when people agree. A negative indicator would show if people disagreed. It's not contradictory of eachother. Check out Engadget who has a similar setup.

No, it was introduced to promote positive reputation and so good posts get recognition in public. It was to promote a good atmosphere in the community. Not many people would want a big red icon on their posts.
I suggest you go read the thread where (I believe it was Nemo?) who suggested the idea as you clearly have not done so.

[HotelUser]

No, it was introduced to promote positive reputation and so good posts get recognition in public. It was to promote a good atmosphere in the community. Not many people would want a big red icon on their posts.
I suggest you go read the thread where (I believe it was Nemo?) who suggested the idea as you clearly have not done so.

I have read the thread. I am entitle towards suggesting my opinions just as you are entitled to disputing against them.

Our previous posts here would prove good for an example of where this negative indicator would be useful :)

[Tintinnabulate]

To add to my post further, reputation lost its value when sierk decided to sell it. Although it was a long time ago and a lot of people who bought it have left now anyway.

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I have read the thread. I am entitle towards suggesting my opinions just as you are entitled to disputing against them.

Our previous posts here would prove good for an example of where this negative indicator would be useful :)

So you would just -rep someone as they told you to stop being patronising?

[Hecktix]

Public negative indicators are not going to be introduced to Habbox Forum at all, we want a positive atmosphere.

[Tintinnabulate]

Public negative indicators are not going to be introduced to Habbox Forum at all, we want a positive atmosphere.

Thank you.

There has already been threads on negative atmospheres and groups forming and causing arguments. This won't help at all. Glad some management can see that.

[HotelUser]

To add to my post further, reputation lost its value when sierk decided to sell it. Although it was a long time ago and a lot of people who bought it have left now anyway.

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So you would just -rep someone as they told you to stop being patronising?

I did say our posts which would suggest my own posts as well therefore I think I'd have a difficult time giving myself negative reputation.

What if three users gave a post positive reputation but five gave it negative reputation. It's misrepresenting the truth.




Public negative indicators are not going to be introduced to Habbox Forum at all, we want a positive atmosphere.

If that's the case then I could see why removing negative reputation is plausible, although I can't say I'm a fan of the idea!

[Tintinnabulate]

I did say our posts which would suggest my own posts as well therefore I think I'd have a difficult time giving myself negative reputation.

What if three users gave a post positive reputation but five gave it negative reputation. It's misrepresenting the truth.

Then put "my posts" not "our posts" and if someone -repped you, you would just report it as revenge/pointless and have it removed. Like I said, if someone told you to stop turning a thread into a argument by making such a patronising comment and you -repped them, then thats just using -rep incorrectly.

And to your last line, I am sure members are not dumb enough to form their own opinion. Forum wants to promote a positive atmosphere and positive reputation.

[HotelUser]

Then put "my posts" not "our posts" and if someone -repped you, you would just report it as revenge/pointless and have it removed. Like I said, if someone told you to stop turning a thread into a argument by making such a patronising comment and you -repped them, then thats just using -rep incorrectly.
No, I was referring to your and my posts, I said our and I would say our again ;)

As for turning a thread into an argument we are not (yes we because it takes two to tango). We're simply disputing the merits of reputation. If not I have much better things to do than engage in petty worth nothing arguments with you, I presume this is quite mutual :P



And to your last line, I am sure members are not dumb enough to form their own opinion. Forum wants to promote a positive atmosphere and positive reputation.

Seeing is believing. It is an inaccurate unfair representation.

[Tintinnabulate]

If not I have much better things to do than engage in petty worth nothing arguments with you, I presume this is quite mutual :P

If that was true, you wouldn't make comments such as this in feedback: I find it quite ironic, Saurav, that you want to scrap -rep because it causes arguments



Seeing is believing. It is an inaccurate unfair representation.

I usually presume members read the post themselves and form their own opinion.
If undertaker gets a +rep for saying how great UKIP is, I won't just believe UKIP are the best :S :S

[HotelUser]

If that was true, you wouldn't make comments such as this in feedback: I find it quite ironic, Saurav, that you want to scrap -rep because it causes arguments




I usually presume members read the post themselves and form their own opinion.
If undertaker gets a +rep for saying how great UKIP is, I won't just believe UKIP are the best :S :S

If five people positive rep a post where as ten people negative rep a post then it is an inaccurate representation. There's a difference between promoting a positive forum atmosphere and misrepresenting the opinions surrounding a post.

[Tintinnabulate]

If five people positive rep a post where as ten people negative rep a post then it is an inaccurate representation. There's a difference between promoting a positive forum atmosphere and misrepresenting the opinions surrounding a post.

Like I said, most people can form their own opinion.

PMSL at you saying you don't ask RNB to -rep.

You -repped me for my complaint about you and 10 seconds later, she did too. OH MY rofl.

[Jordy]

If that's the case then I could see why removing negative reputation is plausible, although I can't say I'm a fan of the idea!That's because you're the prime abuser of the negative reputation system, if there were less people like yourself then there probably wouldn't be such an issue. It doesn't surprise me you oppose it because you seem to want the exact opposite of a positive forum atmosphere, continually provoking people and causing arguments.

[JamesScott]

Honestly David, your meant to be a manager and be a public figure at habbox, yet you are arguing publicly on the forum like a 4 year old baby, grow the hell up. The way you represent yourself as a habbox ambassador is disgraceful and god only knows how you are still manager with your attitude on life.

On topic: I think this would be a good move for habbox. I know myself when i firsted joined i didnt like posting in some places or even replying to some peoples post in fear they would -rep me and make me look foolish for no reason.

[HotelUser]

Like I said, most people can form their own opinion.

PMSL at you saying you don't ask RNB to -rep.

You -repped me for my complaint about you and 10 seconds later, she did too. OH MY rofl.

I have absolutely no idea to what you refer to :)

Additionally it was filled with lies because I've only been events staff since last month and have hosted three events since; not two!

Anywho on the topic of reputation you have not changed my opinion at all, I'm just not seeing it.

[Hecktix]

Erm yeah, this is a feedback thread - cut the arguments.

[Tintinnabulate]

I have absolutely no idea to what you refer to :)

Additionally it was filled with lies because I've only been events staff since last month and have hosted three events since; not two!

Anywho on the topic of reputation you have not changed my opinion at all, I'm just not seeing it.

She saw the thread for 5 minutes, you -repped me, and straight after she did. We are not idiots.

And fully agree with you Jordy. +rep. Oh crap, I need to spread.

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Honestly David, your meant to be a manager and be a public figure at habbox, yet you are arguing publicly on the forum like a 4 year old baby, grow the hell up. The way you represent yourself as a habbox ambassador is disgraceful and god only knows how you are still manager with your attitude on life.

On topic: I think this would be a good move for habbox. I know myself when i firsted joined i didnt like posting in some places or even replying to some peoples post in fear they would -rep me and make me look foolish for no reason.

Excellent post and welcome (back) to the forums :) +rep.

And David, you said -rep would be great for our posts earlier so people -repped you and you go report them. So whats the point in saying it :S
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=125368&p=6651981#post6651981

[HotelUser]

She saw the thread for 5 minutes, you -repped me, and straight after she did. We are not idiots.

And fully agree with you Jordy. +rep. Oh crap, I need to spread.

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Excellent post and welcome (back) to the forums :) +rep.

And David, you said -rep would be great for our posts earlier so people -repped you and you go report them. So whats the point in saying it :S
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=125368&p=6651981#post6651981

As I said earlier, Brandon does a good job at moderating the negative reputation acting as a mediator to comb through which reputations were given fairly and which were given unjustly. Fair negative reputation is fine.

You seem to have the ideology that you can say whatever you want to me and I cannot say whatever I want to you. Yes, I am a manager at Habbox although I am perfectly entitled towards expressing my opinions and my beliefs on affairs. I will not sugar coat what I believe and I will not abstain from not saying what I think just because you wont like it and shall attempt to engage in an argument.

[Tintinnabulate]

As I said earlier, Brandon does a good job at moderating the negative reputation acting as a mediator to comb through which reputations were given fairly and which were given unjustly. Fair negative reputation is fine.

You seem to have the ideology that you can say whatever you want to me and I cannot say whatever I want to you. Yes, I am a manager at Habbox although I am perfectly entitled towards expressing my opinions and my beliefs on affairs. I will not sugar coat what I believe and I will not abstain from not saying what I think just because you wont like it and shall attempt to engage in an argument.

Its good that managers reply to feedback - one of the reasons why I really like Myke.
Its not good when they reply with stuff this like: I find it quite ironic, Saurav, that you want to scrap -rep because it causes arguments

[Catzsy]

I agree and then at least I wouldn't get blamed for leaving -rep that I haven't as here. :P
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=658833&p=6647885#post6647885

Just because you disagree with sombody doesn't mean it has to be -repped. I use it very rarely indeed.

[Tintinnabulate]

I agree and then at least I wouldn't get blamed for leaving -rep that I haven't as here. :P
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=658833&p=6647885#post6647885

Just because you disagree with sombody doesn't mean it has to be -repped. I use it very rarely indeed.

Opsss lol.
Yepp, I would rather people replying stating why they disagree.

[Lost_Addict]

I agree, because ive had so many meaningless -rep in the past and all we do is complain and get them removed.

If a user has done somthing wrong its the moderators job to give them a warning.

So i completley agree

[Inseriousity.]

I don't think I've ever -repped someone but if I have, there'd have been a good reason for doing so and so I don't really support the idea. If I can +rep a good post, I should have the right to -rep a bad post. Sure, there'll be abusers but they can be dealt with in the 'Report Reputation Problems' thread. If they're not being dealt with properly then it's not really the -rep that's the problem but the system.

That's just my opinion anyway. :)

[Tintinnabulate]

I don't think I've ever -repped someone but if I have, there'd have been a good reason for doing so and so I don't really support the idea. If I can +rep a good post, I should have the right to -rep a bad post. Sure, there'll be abusers but they can be dealt with in the 'Report Reputation Problems' thread. If they're not being dealt with properly then it's not really the -rep that's the problem but the system.

That's just my opinion anyway. :)

I guess but -rep really causes more arguments and a negative atmosphere.

[Alex3213]

I don't think I've ever -repped someone but if I have, there'd have been a good reason for doing so and so I don't really support the idea. If I can +rep a good post, I should have the right to -rep a bad post. Sure, there'll be abusers but they can be dealt with in the 'Report Reputation Problems' thread. If they're not being dealt with properly then it's not really the -rep that's the problem but the system.

That's just my opinion anyway. :)

-rep causes a lot of arguments which I have seen over the forum quite a few times, and also grudges are then caused because at one time a post that someone made was "poor" or "negative", yet they don't want things to be like that. If it exists I will -rep on the odd occasion, even if some of the posts someone makes are good, because a post is just silly? Lol, it's hard what to say but you get the idea.

[Lost_Addict]

This is why i suggested the like and dislike buttons. You could dislike a post without - repping them and to be honest i wouldn't look down upon someone for disliking a post but i r the top to -rep me.

[Hecktix]

This is why i suggested the like and dislike buttons. You could dislike a post without - repping them and to be honest i wouldn't look down upon someone for disliking a post but i r the top to -rep me.

As said many times above, we don't want a negative marker left on any posts publicly - it creates a bad atmosphere.

[jackass]

Yeah, although I do agree with negative rep being abolished, this would mean that no one would EVER decrease in rep/rep power and what not.

[Hecktix]

Yeah, although I do agree with negative rep being abolished, this would mean that no one would EVER decrease in rep/rep power and what not.

Yeah but is that really a problem?

[scottish]

i disagree, -rep.

[jackass]

Yeah but is that really a problem?

Not necessarily, but it's a situation. :P

[Nemo]

I dont see what's so hard about not getting -rep. Just don't break the rules and you're good. Almost all other -rep is generally uncalled for so its all good.

[Blob]

If it's removed don't we basically have a "like" system, just you give more "likes" the more you get "liked".

If so, why don't you just remove the reputation system and display the overall amount of likes a person gets.

[Circadia]

I think Only Moderators should Give -Rep If anyone Doesn't abide by the Rules in the FAQ so no one can Give out Pointless Minus Rep .

[jackass]

I've always liked the idea of a 'like' system, but I don't want all my rep to go. :(

[Sharon]

because thats why saurav is here....

so i dont get this... what reasons are people actually allowed to -rep for?


reputation is a good way of new members seeing who's trusted and who's not...

why get rid of something that's not broke?

if you think a -rep is pointless or revenge rep then just post in the pointless rep thread...............

when ever i join a new forum, i trust people who have lots of green bars and people who have red rep i dont trust or listen to...

someone might get lots of good rep and then turn around and be a total *** or turn into a troll but they'd still keep the green rep?
.......

[Hecktix]

I've always liked the idea of a 'like' system, but I don't want all my rep to go. :(

I prefer the rep system, it's the same really you get +rep for good posts, if people like your posts they +rep you, you get reputation points to show for this.

[Nemo]

Perhaps remove -repping, but warnings and infractions -rep you . This penalty stays when the infraction ends.

Or just keep -repping and do what i said anyway.

YAH

[jackass]

I prefer the rep system, it's the same really you get +rep for good posts, if people like your posts they +rep you, you get reputation points to show for this.

I just completely forgot that it now tells you how many people have repped you at the bottom of whatever post. :P

Yeah, the rep system is fine now then.

[Casanova]

i think this is a great idea. It removes a point from you for minus repping them.


There are some forums, which allow you to -rep
But if you -rep someone, you lose a point too, so people only -rep when really required.

[Blob]

Another possibility could be that if you -rep a person, you get a -rep too, deducting your rep power from yourself.

Would stop older people with higher rep pointlessly -repping (not saying you do)

[Jamiie]

Good idea to remove it tbf :), most people who -REP Just give it back

[kk.]

When you -rep, does it take half of your rep power from their tally? I think -repping would be more suited for it to take a bigger chunk out, rather than a smaller amount. Think about it, you do a bad post, not much happens to your rep. Being able to take a bigger chunk out may cause people to not post unconstructively. It would also bring around the whole thing mentioned earlier, about the 'trust' and stuff.

I disagree with this, in short.

[scottish]

rep has nothing to do with trust

alot of people with high rep i wouldnt trust with a penny, basic trust on rep is wr0ng

it takes half your power and takes it off them

[kk.]

rep has nothing to do with trust

alot of people with high rep i wouldnt trust with a penny, basic trust on rep is wr0ng

it takes half your power and takes it off them

If you go onto a new forum, you wouldn't trust a guy with red rep blocks would you?

And thought so.

[scottish]

I wouldnt base trust on rep blocks

Someone could be severely hated, but safe as hell..

[Hecktix]

When you -rep, does it take half of your rep power from their tally? I think -repping would be more suited for it to take a bigger chunk out, rather than a smaller amount. Think about it, you do a bad post, not much happens to your rep. Being able to take a bigger chunk out may cause people to not post unconstructively. It would also bring around the whole thing mentioned earlier, about the 'trust' and stuff.

I disagree with this, in short.

What do you mean by a "bad" post though, Josh? Because "bad" posts tend to break rules then they are dealt with by moderators, otherwise people are allowed opinions.

[kk.]

I wouldnt base trust on rep blocks

Someone could be severely hated, but safe as hell..

Sub consciously, and consciously for some, you'll see green, and think good. You see red, you think bad..

---------- Post added 04-08-2010 at 11:40 PM ----------


What do you mean by a "bad" post though, Josh? Because "bad" posts tend to break rules then they are dealt with by moderators, otherwise people are allowed opinions.

Bad may have been a rubbish choice of words lol. By bad I meant; rude or offensive, or a thread where they've scammed you. Basically anything you can get -repped for. You can't get infracted or warned for scamming can you? Because there are rules on it, even if you have proof. You know it's happened, therefor you -rep. I might think someones being rude to me, but to others it's not. Therefor I'd -rep.

It's a tool to tell other members that they've upset you, or annoyed you. If you look at mine, I have a -rep from a thread about jade goody a year ago which I got the other day, but it's there opinion. There's no way that post couldn't got warned, so they chose to show there anger through the system.

[Richie]

wow that sucks if u remove it -rep shouldnt be removed because certain people abuse it ;s some people use it for a good reason.. if u get rid of -rep just scrap the whole rep system cos it fails.

[Hecktix]

Sub consciously, and consciously for some, you'll see green, and think good. You see red, you think bad..

---------- Post added 04-08-2010 at 11:40 PM ----------



Bad may have been a rubbish choice of words lol. By bad I meant; rude or offensive, or a thread where they've scammed you. Basically anything you can get -repped for. You can't get infracted or warned for scamming can you? Because there are rules on it, even if you have proof. You know it's happened, therefor you -rep. I might think someones being rude to me, but to others it's not. Therefor I'd -rep.

It's a tool to tell other members that they've upset you, or annoyed you. If you look at mine, I have a -rep from a thread about jade goody a year ago which I got the other day, but it's there opinion. There's no way that post couldn't got warned, so they chose to show there anger through the system.

I see your points but I think it'd be good if people posted their views, however on terms of being infracted for scamming, no you'd get banned if you scammed someone :P

[kk.]

I see your points but I think it'd be good if people posted their views, however on terms of being infracted for scamming, no you'd get banned if you scammed someone :P

But the main point of removing it is to stop arguments, but posting how you feel has the same effect. You post in the thread telling them how you feel about what they said, going off topic. It stops one problem, but creates another.

And srsly?! But you can fake being scammed? How can you be certain?

[The Professor]

Tbh, the whole rep system is so inconsquential that it doesn't make a difference whether -rep stays or goes.

[Nemo]

But the main point of removing it is to stop arguments, but posting how you feel has the same effect. You post in the thread telling them how you feel about what they said, going off topic. It stops one problem, but creates another.

And srsly?! But you can fake being scammed? How can you be certain?
There's always gonna be arguements if you take it that way, can't really stop that sadly.

Im still on the fence though with removing the -rep, i can see why you'd want it removed, but also kept. Either wayt i dont get -repped so i dont mind aha :p

[Hecktix]

But the main point of removing it is to stop arguments, but posting how you feel has the same effect. You post in the thread telling them how you feel about what they said, going off topic. It stops one problem, but creates another.

And srsly?! But you can fake being scammed? How can you be certain?

If you try to scam using the forum I meant, if you -rep someone for scamming you un-forum related then it'll be removed as it's un-forum related, you have no proof and it's against the rules :P

Whilst it may cause arguments in posts it would promote discussion, I feel the distaste may be a little more friendly if posted than -repped, I'm not fussed either way I rarely get -rep anymore, but I do think it's something that should be considered as it is a negative aspect which creates a negative atmosphere, I think if someone had to post their disagreement, it would be more constructive than rep, because most people get pissed about rep because they lose out on something, whereas if it's posted they have to stick to the topic, if you get me.

[scottish]

dis oli guy scammed me ban him from forum pls (yes its a joke b4 forum mods ban me)

But yeh, the rep should be left as it is, theres nothing wrong with it

If people continually abuse it then remove their power to negative rep

[kk.]

If you try to scam using the forum I meant, if you -rep someone for scamming you un-forum related then it'll be removed as it's un-forum related, you have no proof and it's against the rules :P

Whilst it may cause arguments in posts it would promote discussion, I feel the distaste may be a little more friendly if posted than -repped, I'm not fussed either way I rarely get -rep anymore, but I do think it's something that should be considered as it is a negative aspect which creates a negative atmosphere, I think if someone had to post their disagreement, it would be more constructive than rep, because most people get pissed about rep because they lose out on something, whereas if it's posted they have to stick to the topic, if you get me.

By forum what do you mean? Like websites and stuff? There's still no way to fully prove it is there?

It wouldn't promote discussion of the topic I don't think. Im not sure. It just seems to me it's a discreet way to say you disagree with someone. I do think that there should be something so that you can say you don't like the post. I know I'd prefer to just -rep someone (not that I do) than to start arguing mid way through a thread. The argument would likely turn bad and a good thread would get closed. At least the rep systems done on the quiet.

Is there a way to show names on the rep system for just bad rep? Like you can see who repped you but only red rep. It would go a way to stop pointless repping.

I do understand it's a negative factor on the forum, but it does make people think about what they said, and let's them know you disgruntled someone. But you're always gonna have negative things. Warnings and infractions are worse lol. Can you like, do a system where if you get a warning, it's -25, and an infraction is -100. Or something similar, maybe not as high lol. Then the rep is justifiably deducted

[Hecktix]

By forum what do you mean? Like websites and stuff? There's still no way to fully prove it is there?

It wouldn't promote discussion of the topic I don't think. Im not sure. It just seems to me it's a discreet way to say you disagree with someone. I do think that there should be something so that you can say you don't like the post. I know I'd prefer to just -rep someone (not that I do) than to start arguing mid way through a thread. The argument would likely turn bad and a good thread would get closed. At least the rep systems done on the quiet.

Is there a way to show names on the rep system for just bad rep? Like you can see who repped you but only red rep. It would go a way to stop pointless repping.

I do understand it's a negative factor on the forum, but it does make people think about what they said, and let's them know you disgruntled someone. But you're always gonna have negative things. Warnings and infractions are worse lol. Can you like, do a system where if you get a warning, it's -25, and an infraction is -100. Or something similar, maybe not as high lol. Then the rep is justifiably deducted

I quite agree that -rep has it's useful purposes and when used validly can be done well but it just makes me think that if the majority of the time -rep isn't used well then what is the point in it, most people just use it to be ******* to be fair. I don't think the name being there or not matters, I think we are way past the days of caring whether people see it or not, I've seen blatently pointless -reps in the ACP with names added on as if they are proud of it, it is a feature I do think is abused way too much.

I suppose we could figure a system which would deduct rep points for warnings & infractions (if we were to do away with userbased -rep) although I don't like being too harsh (contrary to popular belief :P).

Back on the scamming thing - if we believe someone has posted a dangerous link or w/e we'll ban them.

[Tintinnabulate]

I dont see what's so hard about not getting -rep. Just don't break the rules and you're good. Almost all other -rep is generally uncalled for so its all good.

You canget -repped (as I did earlier) for complaining about a member of staff in the complaints forum. Who -repped me? The staff I complained about.


Another possibility could be that if you -rep a person, you get a -rep too, deducting your rep power from yourself.

Would stop older people with higher rep pointlessly -repping (not saying you do)

I suggested it, unfortunately only one person replied to it.

[Nemo]

You canget -repped (as I did earlier) for complaining about a member of staff in the complaints forum. Who -repped me? The staff I complained about.



I suggested it, unfortunately only one person replied to it.Im pretty sure thats unfair, easily get that sorted out im sure.

[Lost_Addict]

You canget -repped (as I did earlier) for complaining about a member of staff in the complaints forum. Who -repped me? The staff I complained about.



I suggested it, unfortunately only one person replied to it.

This would be ridiculous sorry but if someone cared enough about the rep system to - rep someone theyd care enough not to have reputation deducted from there own rep.

What help does this serve at all? Oh look someone is breaking the rules / being rude... I know i will -rep them and loose rep myself???

It just doesn't make sence in my opinion.

[kk.]

I quite agree that -rep has it's useful purposes and when used validly can be done well but it just makes me think that if the majority of the time -rep isn't used well then what is the point in it, most people just use it to be ******* to be fair. I don't think the name being there or not matters, I think we are way past the days of caring whether people see it or not, I've seen blatently pointless -reps in the ACP with names added on as if they are proud of it, it is a feature I do think is abused way too much.

I suppose we could figure a system which would deduct rep points for warnings & infractions (if we were to do away with userbased -rep) although I don't like being too harsh (contrary to popular belief :P).

Back on the scamming thing - if we believe someone has posted a dangerous link or w/e we'll ban them.

I don't particularly see it used in a bad way. Ok, I can't get on the ACP or anything, but I suppose -rep is opinion based. One person would see it justified, and others wouldn't. You do get some stupid ones but everyone has 'off' days lol. There does need to be a way to display your anger, and posting in threads isn't the way I don't think.

Considering the rep ranks like 'infamous around these parts' and stuff, they go with warnings and infractions. People who care about rep will try and break rules less often so they don't get a major decrease in rep. I'd say this should still get implemented even if the -rep stays lol.

Ah, ok I see lol. It makes more sense for that than scamming on habbo :P

[Tintinnabulate]

This would be ridiculous sorry but if someone cared enough about the rep system to - rep someone theyd care enough not to have reputation deducted from there own rep.

What help does this serve at all? Oh look someone is breaking the rules / being rude... I know i will -rep them and loose rep myself???

It just doesn't make sence in my opinion.

It means they lose only one rep point and it means people do not give out pointless -rep. I am not a fan of the idea. I would rather the -rep itself was removed.

[nvrspk4]

I know this has been suggested many times before but it seems opinions have shifted.

My opinion is that if there's good rep there should be something to counterbalance it. Theoretically, you're supposed to be able to give -rep as an opinion. If you post something and I disagree, I should be able to give you negative reputation for it. For example, if you criticize a certain department and I think they're doing a fine job, I can give you -rep since I think you're being overly critical. I could be wrong, but that doesn't matter, because I'm giving you my personal opinion on the topic. I think the viewpoint on reputation has changed in that the perception is that you have to break rules or be downright nasty to get -rep.

I'm curious to know if anyone still uses it in that sense and if those kinds of -reps are removed.

But it looks like the use of negative reputation has changed - and that's not necessarily a bad thing, just a change, one that can be adapted to :) I am curious to see though if anyone thinks the same way I do or if I'm horribly out of touch :P

[Tintinnabulate]

I know this has been suggested many times before but it seems opinions have shifted.

My opinion is that if there's good rep there should be something to counterbalance it. Theoretically, you're supposed to be able to give -rep as an opinion. If you post something and I disagree, I should be able to give you negative reputation for it. For example, if you criticize a certain department and I think they're doing a fine job, I can give you -rep since I think you're being overly critical. I could be wrong, but that doesn't matter, because I'm giving you my personal opinion on the topic. I think the viewpoint on reputation has changed in that the perception is that you have to break rules or be downright nasty to get -rep.

I'm curious to know if anyone still uses it in that sense and if those kinds of -reps are removed.

But it looks like the use of negative reputation has changed - and that's not necessarily a bad thing, just a change, one that can be adapted to :) I am curious to see though if anyone thinks the same way I do or if I'm horribly out of touch :P

Well the user criticising the department might think they aren't doing a good job and its general managements opinion to decide on it based on what the user has said. If you -rep them because you might know more about the department hence know more of what they are doing, its very unfair to -rep the person. In this case, not many people would criticise departments, hence leading to less ideas being formed.

[Catzsy]

I think Only Moderators should Give -Rep If anyone Doesn't abide by the Rules in the FAQ so no one can Give out Pointless Minus Rep .

Tbh I think that would be giving them a double punishment as there are already penalities for that so I wouldn't support it. :(

[myke]

It seems to me that a very, 'hippy' approach is being taken on -rep.

It's like no cant have -rep it makes people sad if they get it :(

Not everything that is negative is bad you know...

As long as -rep is used appropriately and closely moderated, then I see no problem with it.

[Matthew]

i think it should be removed, as will have been said so many times, -rep only brings up arguments and normally a -rep in return.

id be happy to see it go :)

[Mathew]

WHY on Earth do you have to come out with annoying provocative comments. This is the reason why I said to Oli I hate posting threads about this as people such as yourself make annoying silly and patronising comments all the time. Its just not needed and I suggested it as YOU always -rep people as revenge and get RNB.Queen to do it too. Pathetic. Grow up. I mean you got her to -rep me for such a stupid post that Garion himself removed it rather than asking me to report it.
Edited by Cosmic (Forum Super Moderator) Please do not post to cause arguments, thanks.
+rep


-rep causes a lot of arguments which I have seen over the forum quite a few times, and also grudges are then caused because at one time a post that someone made was "poor" or "negative", yet they don't want things to be like that. If it exists I will -rep on the odd occasion, even if some of the posts someone makes are good, because a post is just silly? Lol, it's hard what to say but you get the idea.
Talking of grudges, I would be more inclined to -rep someone who I personally hate rather than someone who I'm friends with.. and in that case - the rep system isn't working properly.


Yeah but is that really a problem?
In reply to "counterbalancing" - yes, I see it as a problem. One day you'll have everyone with reputation sky high and with no negative rep, it's going to look like everyone is trusted.


Not everything that is negative is bad you know...

As long as -rep is used appropriately and closely moderated, then I see no problem with it.
I agree with this, I think.

I'm on the fence here. I do think -repping is a good idea because if you have the option to approve of someones post, you should be able to disapprove too. Then again, the system is flawed in that I'd be more likely to -rep someone I hate rather than someone I like.

[Richie]

As I said leave -rep fgs, its going to make the forum even more boring. The goal with rep is to get as much as you can and if you don't have -reps its boring because you won't ever get your rep lowered.


Leave the system how it is if someones too childish to take a -rep that was fair then you suck, people need to stop crying about -reps seriously if they are pointlessly fair enough get it removed. Seriously though if the system stays how it is its only gonna be -reps that have a valid point that don't get removed. So no biggie MAN UP.


Oh and I disagree 'It causes too much arguments' it doesn't cause arguments unless you let them. Saying that you are going to see the odd argument hiccup , last I checked though, jin and sierk owns habbox not gandhi.

[Recursion]

I've experienced no negative problems whilst using -reps. If there's a problem, they should be reported in the Rep Problems thread in Feedback. Just now I -rep'd someone for a stupid, unfunny comment.

I say keep it, what value does +rep have without a -rep? :|

And if the moderation department would do their job, there would be no arguments in threads about rep (I haven't seen any for about a year now, so Mods must be doing a damn fine job ;)). The OP is making a mountain out of a mole hill IMO.

[Inseriousity.]

Well the user criticising the department might think they aren't doing a good job and its general managements opinion to decide on it based on what the user has said. If you -rep them because you might know more about the department hence know more of what they are doing, its very unfair to -rep the person. In this case, not many people would criticise departments, hence leading to less ideas being formed.

I highly doubt the majority of managers would -rep someone over feedback, normally it's the opposite and we +rep them if they, at least, gave it a go (constructive criticism only though). I think you're taking an experience from one manager, which isn't really fair. -rep (lol im joking :P).

I agree that there needs to be a counterbalance or people will just have ridiculously high reps. As for losing rep if you -rep someone, not really a fan of that! The majority of people use the -rep system fairly and they shouldn't be punished for giving out negative reputation. I agree with Recursion, the moderators are more than capable of moderating arguments :)

[Richie]

I don't want this but if it saves the -rep system I might aswell try.


Disable so users can't view who -repd them whether they have vip or not.


My view is nothing should change, but if some people are too childish to take a -rep on a habbo forum (lol) then disable them from seeing who -repd em.

[HotelUser]

I don't want this but if it saves the -rep system I might aswell try.


Disable so users can't view who -repd them whether they have vip or not.


My view is nothing should change, but if some people are too childish to take a -rep on a habbo forum (lol) then disable them from seeing who -repd em.

The problem with that though, is that a lot of people leave their name as suffix to the reputation comment.

[scottish]

dont allow comments either than sorted

[HotelUser]

dont allow comments either than sorted

Then it would be impossible for the user to differentiate between genuine and invalid negative reputation and Brandon would be bombarded with removal requests :P

[scottish]

then remove the ability to report reputation

[HotelUser]

then remove the ability to report reputation

I'll skip to the part when you suggest the removal of negative reputation altogether, Scott!

That's what seems to be most plausible anyway, disregarding that I still disagree with its removal. I think this is a nice summary as to why it should be kept:



I know this has been suggested many times before but it seems opinions have shifted.

My opinion is that if there's good rep there should be something to counterbalance it. Theoretically, you're supposed to be able to give -rep as an opinion. If you post something and I disagree, I should be able to give you negative reputation for it. For example, if you criticize a certain department and I think they're doing a fine job, I can give you -rep since I think you're being overly critical. I could be wrong, but that doesn't matter, because I'm giving you my personal opinion on the topic. I think the viewpoint on reputation has changed in that the perception is that you have to break rules or be downright nasty to get -rep.

I'm curious to know if anyone still uses it in that sense and if those kinds of -reps are removed.

But it looks like the use of negative reputation has changed - and that's not necessarily a bad thing, just a change, one that can be adapted to :) I am curious to see though if anyone thinks the same way I do or if I'm horribly out of touch :P

[scottish]

then leave it the **** alone

[Catzsy]

then leave it the **** alone

Probably agree it's the easiest way then if members feel a -rep is unfair they can report it. Not keen on the 'like or dislike posts' because it can lead to ganging up on members.

[nvrspk4]

Well the user criticising the department might think they aren't doing a good job and its general managements opinion to decide on it based on what the user has said. If you -rep them because you might know more about the department hence know more of what they are doing, its very unfair to -rep the person. In this case, not many people would criticise departments, hence leading to less ideas being formed.

Maybe we misunderstand each other or maybe you're in the other category of thinking. My example referred to the harshness of the post, and I wasn't referring to management, as a manager I wouldn't -rep someone for giving feedback on my department unless they were downright trashing a member of my staff (usually wouldn't if it was me, once again the objectivity issues.)

However, if I as a member saw someone posting about how moderators are getting overzealous etc. and they had posted a thread two weeks ago about moderators being lax, I might -rep them saying "You say they're too lax now too strict, never good enough for you?" Or perhaps someone who was destructively criticizing, criticizing for the sake of it etc. My opinion, they might not be wrong, just I disagree. -Rep can be given out when you disagree, particularly when you disagree with the way someone says something even if its not against the rules.

Or at least, that's my opinion.


It seems to me that a very, 'hippy' approach is being taken on -rep.

It's like no cant have -rep it makes people sad if they get it :(

Not everything that is negative is bad you know...

As long as -rep is used appropriately and closely moderated, then I see no problem with it.

A hippy approach, I like that phrasing. I had the same opinion just couldn't find the right words :P Agree (although not all those who disagree with -rep are necessarily in that category, though some clearly are.)

[Jordy]

However, if I as a member saw someone posting about how moderators are getting overzealous etc. and they had posted a thread two weeks ago about moderators being lax, I might -rep them saying "You say they're too lax now too strict, never good enough for you?" Or perhaps someone who was destructively criticizing, criticizing for the sake of it etc. My opinion, they might not be wrong, just I disagree. -Rep can be given out when you disagree, particularly when you disagree with the way someone says something even if its not against the rules.That's exactly the sort of reputation which irritates me. If you feel that way you should grow a pair and PM them about it or respond to their post. Instead of just leaving a cowardly comment which they can't respond to, and most people would opt to remain anonymous too (not leaving their name).

[Tintinnabulate]

Thread is useless. Garion (I don't think he has even replied :S) said in Spam it won't happen. Would be nice if he posts why.

If he has, then I am sorry.

[Hecktix]

Thread is useless. Garion (I don't think he has even replied :S) said in Spam it won't happen. Would be nice if he posts why.

If he has, then I am sorry.

Reputation changes will be happpening and this thread is discussing any possible plans, as I need to formulate something if I want to reform the reputation system although we won't simply remove -rep, is what Garion meant.

[Tintinnabulate]

Reputation changes will be happpening and this thread is discussing any possible plans, as I need to formulate something if I want to reform the reputation system although we won't simply remove -rep, is what Garion meant.

What kind of changes are we talking about?
I am sure it gets changed every month.

[Hecktix]

What kind of changes are we talking about?
I am sure it gets changed every month.

Lol I don't mean changing a few figures, I mean changing the kind of system we use to promote fair usage of the reputation system and more usage of the reputation system, one thing on the list is a discussion about reforming the way of dealing with inappropriate -rep's.

At the moment pointless -reps just get removed, however my proposal is to crack down on those using the system pointlessly, as it is breaking the rules.

[HotelUser]

That's exactly the sort of reputation which irritates me. If you feel that way you should grow a pair and PM them about it or respond to their post. Instead of just leaving a cowardly comment which they can't respond to, and most people would opt to remain anonymous too (not leaving their name).

The fact that you cannot respond to the claims appended to the reputation has infuriated me in the past, too, although in a situation such as the one Nvrspk's portrayed surly you could simply dispute the disagreement in the thread which the negative reputation was distributed.

[Blob]

If you -rep a post does it display -1 in a red box at the bottom of the post? (Don't really want to try it)

[HotelUser]

If you -rep a post does it display -1 in a red box at the bottom of the post? (Don't really want to try it)

No, it does not. I personally think it should although it would most likely end up backfiring on me :P

[Hecktix]

If you -rep a post does it display -1 in a red box at the bottom of the post? (Don't really want to try it)

No, and it's not going to.

[Blob]

No, and it's not going to.

Okay, was just wondering :)

[Hecktix]

Okay, was just wondering :)

Mainly because it's quite bad to publicly label something a "bad post" (not rule breaking post) and that definitely isn't the atmosphere we want.

As I said in my post to Saurav I really think we need to reform the way pointless -rep is dealt with, infact +rep too. We're planning to discuss this at some point in the next few days so if you have any ideas mention them here and I'll bring it up when I talk with Brandon and Garion.

[scottish]

+rep is alright as ur not gna complain about it

but seeing Red boxes saying -1 and such isnt cool

[Nemo]

+rep is alright as ur not gna complain about it

but seeing Red boxes saying -1 and such isnt cool
yeh but thats never gonna be there so its alright

[HotelUser]

Mainly because it's quite bad to publicly label something a "bad post" (not rule breaking post) and that definitely isn't the atmosphere we want.

As I said in my post to Saurav I really think we need to reform the way pointless -rep is dealt with, infact +rep too. We're planning to discuss this at some point in the next few days so if you have any ideas mention them here and I'll bring it up when I talk with Brandon and Garion.

As opposed to showing a red box could the green box possible be modified to show the negative reputation providing that it doesn't go past zero? (for example, if a post got +5 and -3 it would show +2 as opposed to +5)

[Nemo]

As opposed to showing a red box could the green box possible be modified to show the negative reputation providing that it doesn't go past zero? (for example, if a post got +5 and -3 it would show +2 as opposed to +5)
I like that, if possible.

[Hecktix]

Clamping down on pointless +rep adds value to reputation. I think the ideas mentioned above about the number in the box going up and down etc are a bit too complex and a bit unnecessary really, if a post is going to get -repped validly then it's unlikely the post will get +repped, so if the number isnt gonna go below 0 then it's pointless :P

[Lost_Addict]

Clamping down on pointless +rep adds value to reputation. I think the ideas mentioned above about the number in the box going up and down etc are a bit too complex and a bit unnecessary really, if a post is going to get -repped validly then it's unlikely the post will get +repped, so if the number isnt gonna go below 0 then it's pointless :P

The problem with that is NOONE is going to say can you remove my posotive reputation it seems pointless :P :D

[Hecktix]

The problem with that is NOONE is going to say can you remove my posotive reputation it seems pointless :P :D

Quite right, but there are other ways of moderating it, even if it's just tightening up on what we already do.

[Lost_Addict]

I guess a system where rep has to be aproved before adding it to a users account would work. But would that just make more hassle?

[Hecktix]

I guess a system where rep has to be aproved before adding it to a users account would work. But would that just make more hassle?

A bit too much, but more random spotchecks on reputation wouldn't be much hassle.

[Lost_Addict]

A bit too much, but more random spotchecks on reputation wouldn't be much hassle.

Well it depends what you class as a bit to much. In the reputation systems current state, there wouldn't be much work because hardly any rep is + or - from other users

[HotelUser]

Clamping down on pointless +rep adds value to reputation. I think the ideas mentioned above about the number in the box going up and down etc are a bit too complex and a bit unnecessary really, if a post is going to get -repped validly then it's unlikely the post will get +repped, so if the number isnt gonna go below 0 then it's pointless :P

That's hardly the case for every post and scenario, though surly.

[Hecktix]

That's hardly the case for every post and scenario, though surly.

Most, it's an incredibly complex thing which won't even be seen often so what's the point, really?

[HotelUser]

Most, it's an incredibly complex thing which won't even be seen often so what's the point, really?

It is incredibly complex to implement?

[Hecktix]

It is incredibly complex to implement?

It's extra work for Jamesy that's not of any gain, the +(however many of reps the post has) works, what's the point in adding something that shows if a post that has been +repped has been -repped too, when that almost never happens involving legitimate reputation. Completely pointless idea, Sorry Dave.

[HotelUser]

It's extra work for Jamesy that's not of any gain, the +(however many of reps the post has) works, what's the point in adding something that shows if a post that has been +repped has been -repped too, when that almost never happens involving legitimate reputation. Completely pointless idea, Sorry Dave.

Meh, I still think it would be a nice feature :P

[myke]

It's extra work for Jamesy that's not of any gain, the +(however many of reps the post has) works, what's the point in adding something that shows if a post that has been +repped has been -repped too, when that almost never happens involving legitimate reputation. Completely pointless idea, Sorry Dave.

it must happen if someone finds someones insult funny they will +rep ... if someone else finds it bad they will -rep...

i've seen that happen plenty of times.

[Lost_Addict]

it must happen if someone finds someones insult funny they will +rep ... if someone else finds it bad they will -rep...

i've seen that happen plenty of times.

People dont +/- rep enough anyway to + or - rep for an insult, and thats pretty much fact.

[Hecktix]

it must happen if someone finds someones insult funny they will +rep ... if someone else finds it bad they will -rep...

i've seen that happen plenty of times.

Posts that break rules shouldn't recieve reputation, that's not to say they don't mind.

[myke]

People dont +/- rep enough anyway to + or - rep for an insult, and thats pretty much fact.

Do you have anything to say that's a fact? I've seen plenty of times

'so true ... +REP' to a post that's rule breaking or '-rep that's harsh...' just because people don't post to say they are giving out reputation, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

[Hecktix]

Do you have anything to say that's a fact? I've seen plenty of times

'so true ... +REP' to a post that's rule breaking or '-rep that's harsh...' just because people don't post to say they are giving out reputation, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

To be honest Myke, a lot of the time you see someone say "+rep" or "-rep" they rarely actually do it. On top of that I do have the evidence of what +rep and -rep gets given out, nowadays +rep is only really given if someone helps someone or on the rare occasion someone finds something funny (this is becoming increasingly rare, which is something I wish to target) and unfortunately nowadays the majority of -rep given out is unfair, given out of spite but technically fair (i.e. if someone pisses someone off) and occasionally for rule breaking.

Rep isn't given out like it used to be and things need to change to make it given out like it is, the feature showing how many times a post has been +repped is good and informative, but to suggest this should change if the post gets -repped is pointless, as who reads the same post twice apart from the OP?

[Lost_Addict]

When you go on your rep page it displays 15 reputations on that page ive got a reputation from the 27th August 2009. This means i havn't recieved 15 reps good or bad in almost a year.

I post alot around this forum be it helpful or not, but this has to indicate reputation isn't used as frequently as it should.

[Nemo]

When you go on your rep page it displays 15 reputations on that page ive got a reputation from the 27th August 2009. This means i havn't recieved 15 reps good or bad in almost a year.

I post alot around this forum be it helpful or not, but this has to indicate reputation isn't used as frequently as it should.Cant really base it on yourself, since the bottom of my rep thing is from a week ago, so ive gotten 15 reps in a weekf, and not one of those is spam.

[Hecktix]

Cant really base it on yourself, since the bottom of my rep thing is from a week ago, so ive gotten 15 reps in a weekf, and not one of those is spam.

Well, I can see everybody's reputation, and I can tell you it's definitely an underused feature on the whole :P

[Lost_Addict]

I'm averaging this year, just over one reputation +/- a month, :P and this year i've been more active than last year.

The rep system is slowly dying out.

[Nemo]

Well, I can see everybody's reputation, and I can tell you it's definitely an underused feature on the whole :P
oh. Fair enough then if you can see everyones, but only gettin 15 reps in a year is really below average i'd think.

[Lost_Addict]

oh. Fair enough then if you can see everyones, but only gettin 15 reps in a year is really below average i'd think.

Thats the thing, i dont know why. I always try to help people out, post intreting news and start intresting discussion points. But i just guess i'm not the repable type :P XD

[Hecktix]

oh. Fair enough then if you can see everyones, but only gettin 15 reps in a year is really below average i'd think.

I doubt it, there are a lot of members - be honest with this one though, would you say your +reps are from friends/people you know?

[myke]

Rep is too personal to make assumptions around basically.

[Nemo]

I doubt it, there are a lot of members - be honest with this one though, would you say your +reps are from friends/people you know?
looking at those 15, if im honest, only 1 of em is someone i talk to regularly, rest i hardly even know

all of em with either for a funny video, helping someone with something (eg. one was posting was the exchange rate was for £ -> AUD) or a hxf suggestion.

[HotelUser]

looking at those 15, if im honest, only 1 of em is someone i talk to regularly, rest i hardly even know

all of em with either for a funny video, helping someone with something (eg. one was posting was the exchange rate was for £ -> AUD) or a hxf suggestion.

Usually I would say that it's friends giving me reputation, but a quick glance at my reputation page shows that many positive reputations I've received are not from friends!

[Hecktix]

I wish more people would give reputation to be honest :( Especially to the newer members!

Infact, does anybody here give rep to new members? I know I try to +rep every new member posting that I see.

[Nemo]

I wish more people would give reputation to be honest :( Especially to the newer members!

Infact, does anybody here give rep to new members? I know I try to +rep every new member posting that I see.
I generally rep if they've done something amazin/good, helped me, showed me somethin funny or made me laugh or if its just a good post in general that i agree with

sadly not many new members do this

[kk.]

I wish more people would give reputation to be honest :( Especially to the newer members!

Infact, does anybody here give rep to new members? I know I try to +rep every new member posting that I see.

Pointlessly repping I see! :P

[Lost_Addict]

I generally rep if they've done something amazin/good, helped me, showed me somethin funny or made me laugh or if its just a good post in general that i agree with

sadly not many new members do this

Agreed, rep has been built up to be somthing you give on special things.

[Tintinnabulate]

I highly doubt the majority of managers would -rep someone over feedback, normally it's the opposite and we +rep them if they, at least, gave it a go (constructive criticism only though). I think you're taking an experience from one manager, which isn't really fair. -rep (lol im joking :P).

I agree that there needs to be a counterbalance or people will just have ridiculously high reps. As for losing rep if you -rep someone, not really a fan of that! The majority of people use the -rep system fairly and they shouldn't be punished for giving out negative reputation. I agree with Recursion, the moderators are more than capable of moderating arguments :)

No no no, not speaking from experience. Was just replying to nvrspk4'sscenario as he said if someone flamed a dept, and he thought they were doinggood, he would give out a -rep.


Cant really base it on yourself, since the bottom of my rep thing is from a week ago, so ive gotten 15 reps in a weekf, and not one of those is spam.

Your rep power is 20. When I was new, I always repped people with high rep power in the hope they would rep me back.

[Nemo]

No no no, not speaking from experience. Was just replying to nvrspk4'sscenario as he said if someone flamed a dept, and he thought they were doinggood, he would give out a -rep.



Your rep power is 20. When I was new, I always repped people with high rep power in the hope they would rep me back.
I dnt get that, sadly. :( Maybe when i get 21 (not far off tbh).

[Catzsy]

I wish more people would give reputation to be honest :( Especially to the newer members!

Infact, does anybody here give rep to new members? I know I try to +rep every new member posting that I see.

Yes I always try too :)

[HotelUser]

I wish more people would give reputation to be honest :( Especially to the newer members!

Infact, does anybody here give rep to new members? I know I try to +rep every new member posting that I see.

Couldn't that be something moderators or other departments could tackle?

[Hecktix]

Couldn't that be something moderators or other departments could tackle?

Already do :P But it's one thing staff +repping someone, another a member +repping someone in the sense that you can easily tell if staff have been told to do it :P

[HotelUser]

Already do :P But it's one thing staff +repping someone, another a member +repping someone in the sense that you can easily tell if staff have been told to do it :P

I suppose that's true, although if people had more rep power perhaps they'd be inclined to use it more. One or two rep power isn't what I'd call a thrill :P

[Tintinnabulate]

I suppose that's true, although if people had more rep power perhaps they'd be inclined to use it more. One or two rep power isn't what I'd call a thrill :P

We managed it so therefore i'm sure new users can get a higher rep power by posting more good posts. Atleast forum staff give rep to new users now, before that didn't happen.

[.Devilish..]

I totally agree with this.

[W00TZEH]

It's only rep, you must obviously be getting a lot of negative rep or else you wouldnt be moaning.

[Kyle]

if somebody does something wrong why shouldnt users be given the chance to reduce their reputation