Huge ice island breaks from Greenland

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1301062/Huge-ice-island-breaks-Greenland-glacier-100-sq-mile-chunk-contains-fresh-water-U-S-supplied-months.html


An ice island four times the size of Manhattan broke off from one of Greenland's two main glaciers, scientists have revealed. The new ice island, which broke off on Thursday, will enter a remote place called the Nares Strait, about 620 miles south of the North Pole between Greenland and Canada. The ice island has an area of 100 square miles (260 square km) and a thickness up to half the height of the Empire State Building, said Andreas Muenchow, professor of ocean science and engineering at the University of Delaware.

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Muenchow said he had expected an ice chunk to break off from the Petermann Glacier, one of the two largest remaining ones in Greenland, because it had been growing in size for seven or eight years. But he did not expect it to be so large. 'The freshwater stored in this ice island could keep the Delaware or Hudson Rivers flowing for more than two years,' said Muenchow, whose research in the area is supported by the National Science Foundation. 'It could also keep all U.S. public tap water flowing for 120 days.' He said it was hard to judge whether the event occurred due to global warming because records on the sea water around the glacier have only been kept since 2003. The flow of sea water below the glaciers is one of the main causes of ice calvings off Greenland.


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'Nobody can claim this was caused by global warming. On the other hand nobody can claim that it wasn't,' Muenchow said. Scientists have said the first six months of 2010 have been the hottest globally on record. The El Nino weather pattern has contributed to higher temperatures, but many scientists say elevated levels of man-made greenhouse gases are pushing temperatures higher. The initial discovery of the calving was made by Trudy Wohlleben of the Canadian Ice Service. The ice island could fuse to land, break up into smaller pieces, or slowly move south where it could block shipping, Muenchow said. The last time such a large ice island formed was in 1962 when the Ward Hunt Ice Shelf calved an island. Smaller pieces of that chunk became lodged between real islands inside Nares Strait.

So as the article states, this thing has actually been growing over the past few years and has obviously broken off because of its own weight not to mention the fact its summer in Greenland at the moment.

Its not global warming, its nature at its best.

[Nemo]

I blame the government and the EU!


I mean, its just one of those things that happens, no point trying to see what caused it, just make sure it doesnt get in the way of stuff.

[MrPinkPanther]

Global warming is an EU conspiracy to fund their Marxist agenda and get money out of us. Plus it causes cancer.

[Jordy]

Global warming is an EU conspiracy to fund their Marxist agenda and get money out of us. Plus it causes cancer.Has somebody been reading the Daily Mail?

[Robbie]

It will probably come here seeking asylum or be made a member state

[Jordy]

It will probably come here seeking asylum or be made a member stateThe penguins will all refuse to speak our language and take all the ******* jobs and houses!!

[alexxxxx]

Global warming is an EU conspiracy to fund their Marxist agenda and get money out of us. Plus it causes cancer.
and it will mean the illegal immigrant asylum seekers who are jobless and taking all our jobs off nice white middle class people will be coming too!

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Global warming is an EU conspiracy to fund their Marxist agenda and get money out of us. Plus it causes cancer.

Funny you should mention that, because the EU is one of the organisations who contribute to mass starvation thanks to world food prices being pushed up because of this global warming scare that tackles an issue which does not exist.

The diversion of land to bio-fuel production is a disaster.


and it will mean the illegal immigrant asylum seekers who are jobless and taking all our jobs off nice white middle class people will be coming too!

Well mentioning the EU again and in relation to jobs, the EU when it dumps its surplus of food on African markets causes many Africans to go unemployed and destroys the lives of poor African farmers, thus hurting the African economy more so all because of this global warming scare which again, tackles a non-problem. I believe you yourself have expressed doubt over the topic before.

So I guess although taking the pee, you both raise topics (the EU and jobs) that actually do play a big part in this scare - afterall there is a lot of money to be made out of this, as Al Gore has only proven.

[MrPinkPanther]

Don't worry guys. UKIPs MEPs, working within the institution they were set up to fight, will help us!

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Don't worry guys. UKIPs MEPs, working within the institution they were set up to fight, will help us!

Do you actually have nothing interesting to contribute or say on this topic (a topic you yourself believe in and are content with splashing billions on) or is the fact that the glaciers have been growing, not melting, a downer on the whole issue to you?

[MrPinkPanther]

Do you actually have nothing interesting to contribute or say on this topic (a topic you yourself believe in and are content with splashing billions on) or is the fact that the glaciers have been growing, not melting, a downer on the whole issue to you?
I've made my thoughts clear in the past on Global warming but every time you have turned it into a rant against the European Union. I'll be more than happy to debate this topic with anyone else on the forum but with you it will ultimately result in a European argument. Unfortunately whilst I do find your misguided EU posts humorous the novelty of them is beginning to wear thin.

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I've made my thoughts clear in the past on Global warming but every time you have turned it into a rant against the European Union. I'll be more than happy to debate this topic with anyone else on the forum but with you it will ultimately result in a European argument. Unfortunately whilst I do find your misguided EU posts humorous the novelty of them is beginning to wear thin.

I didn't mention the EU at first in this topic, infact it was only because you yourself and Nemo mentioned it I felt the need to respond to the novelty jokes. So again and back to the actual topic; what do you make of the fact that the glacier has actually been growing despite the impression we are given that they are infact melting?

In future, don't go and mention the EU and then try to accuse me of bringing it up when it was you who brought it up.

[MrPinkPanther]

In future, don't go and mention the EU and then try to accuse me of bringing it up when it was you who brought it up.

Ahem perhaps you should read my post. "In the past". It was a satirical point because this thread would clearly head in the direction of all of your other threads.


Iwhat do you make of the fact that the glacier has actually been growing despite the impression we are given that they are infact melting?
So if in one instance a glacier grows then it means global warming doesn't exist? Can you not see how naive you are? Immigration fell within my town last year, immigration in Britain is therefore declining. "Global warming" is scientific fact, even UKIP won't deny that. It's whether or not we have sped up the process of Global warming that is the key debate so a singular rising glacier honestly proves nothing because that's not what the debate is about anyway.

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Ahem perhaps you should read my post. "In the past". It was a satirical point because this thread would clearly head in the direction of all of your other threads.

In the past people have often brought up the Mail thus diverting the thread, I will not mention the EU unless it has something to do with the topic at hand. I mean for example in the part below of your post, you couldn't resist bringing UKIP into it - the same goes for every thread that I post - if UKIP, the Mail or the EU have nothing to do with it somebody feels the need to mention them in silly posts just like the one you posted in this very thread at the start.


So if in one instance a glacier grows then it means global warming doesn't exist? Can you not see how naive you are? Immigration fell within my town last year, immigration in Britain is therefore declining. "Global warming" is scientific fact, even UKIP won't deny that. It's whether or not we have sped up the process of Global warming that is the key debate so a singular rising glacier honestly proves nothing because that's not what the debate is about anyway.

But hang on a second, when disasters such as flooding and hot weather occur - we are told its global warming, so you cannot have it one way when the weather suits you and when it doesnt, its being 'naive'. Global warming is a fact yes, and as Lord Monckton states; its been a fact since the Earth was formed.

So in light of the little/no evidence that we have no impact on the climate, why do you believe in something that is far from proven and why do politicians throw billions at what essentially is a non-problem?

According to Lord Monckton and from what I have read in the past, the temperature has actually declined in past 15 years and I know from history that in Roman times, they grew grape vines as far north as Scotland in the medievil warming period. So my point is; why are we (or yourself more so) worrying about what is afterall a confirmed natural cycle?

[Catzsy]

It looks like it is just a natural event and not all that uncommon.

Link to history of icebergs:
http://www.google.co.uk/#q=history+of+icebergs+breaking+off&hl=en&sa=G&tbs=tl:1,tl_num:20&ei=f4ldTN2YIs-GsAaikpjtBw&ved=0CGUQywEoAg&fp=3ecfb6bcbefbd335

[alexxxxx]

youre right dan, it's the EU's fault, probably the guardian and the political elite too.

[Nemo]

I didn't mention the EU at first in this topic, infact it was only because you yourself and Nemo mentioned it I felt the need to respond to the novelty jokes. So again and back to the actual topic; what do you make of the fact that the glacier has actually been growing despite the impression we are given that they are infact melting?

In future, don't go and mention the EU and then try to accuse me of bringing it up when it was you who brought it up.
Just for the record, it was a joke, and although you evaluated it as such correctly, you obviously missed the point that it was meant to be taken lightly. And i did also put a comment below the insanely hilarious joke that was related to the topic and was what i thought.

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Just for the record, it was a joke, and although you evaluated it as such correctly, you obviously missed the point that it was meant to be taken lightly. And i did also put a comment below the insanely hilarious joke that was related to the topic and was what i thought.

I don't mind jokes, but when somebody turns around to me and says 'you are the one bringing the EU/UKIP/Mail up in every thread' - that just takes the biscuit. All three of them didn't need to be mentioned.

[GommeInc]

In future, don't go and mention the EU and then try to accuse me of bringing it up when it was you who brought it up.
They were joking :P If anything you snapped at the bait and took the jokes seriously :P

It's an interesting story, but one of little concern unless ships enjoy sailing blind nowadays :P

[MrPinkPanther]

It's an interesting story, but one of little concern unless ships enjoy sailing blind nowadays :P

The reason he brought it up is cause he thinks it disproves global warming when it is in fact totally irrelevant.

[Starburst..x]

Hmm interesting

Tbh this whole global warming issue/situation is wearing thin (no pun intended). The earth has a history or heating up and cooling down - it's natural, and I'm sorry but there's no way we can help stop it. The only reason there's such a fuss is so that they can control people through it.
Thats my OPINION so don't go opinion-bashing please, we're all entitled to one so play nicely :)

[GommeInc]

The reason he brought it up is cause he thinks it disproves global warming when it is in fact totally irrelevant.
Meh, he has a minor point. If this was 5 years ago we'd be in the mist of global warming theories and how the ice is dying and that polar bears are going to be dead within 5 minutes of each news report. Nowadays people seem to shut up about it, and tend to agree to disagree over it. The idea that it's not entirely man-made and that the world isn't heating up everywhere is considered truth. The good thing though is that certain behaviour in the world is changing, like fuel efficiency and how we use power.